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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: MK with EC
« Last post by ds1984 on June 16, 2025, 08:36:57 PM »Eric did rock 'n' roll WOL in Wembley
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Down The Road Wherever (2018) / Re: (20) Back in The Day
« Last post by Stanko on June 16, 2025, 08:14:25 PM »If you wonder about the "burn", supriskngly(?) it is a jazz-term-verb standing for playing with great skill and passion!
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Down The Road Wherever (2018) / Re: (20) Back in The Day
« Last post by Stanko on June 16, 2025, 07:58:01 PM »I would never suspect the phrase "cutting contest" is jazz exclusively
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_contest#:~:text=A%20cutting%20contest%20is%20a,instruments%20during%20the%20swing%20era.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_contest#:~:text=A%20cutting%20contest%20is%20a,instruments%20during%20the%20swing%20era.
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Last post by Ingrained on June 16, 2025, 07:24:26 PM »I realise that it CAN be scanned in 4k, I just question whether there is any point to it. Given the limitations of 16mm as a format I would say that most of the examples you mentioned are more of a marketing exercise (Look! A shiny new format! Give us your money!) than something that people would realistically be able to perceive any real difference from the blu-ray version.
Yes a lot of 16mm is scanned to 2K and then upscaled, as you know.
The reason I mentioned about R+J/Alchemy being 4K on Youtube was I wondered if any new work had been done on it. Was Alchemy being worked on? It almost appears to have had a bit of colour correction done maybe. That was my original train of thought, did it signify an update to Alchemy coming along? That’s why I mentioned about the 4K upload, but I realise I wasn’t too clear about why.
The R+J/Alchemy 4K that was uploaded last year does actually look like the Bluray scan to me now. I thought it looked a little different for a while but it does look like the same scan without any colour correction.
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Last post by Ingrained on June 16, 2025, 06:20:27 PM »I realise that it CAN be scanned in 4k, I just question whether there is any point to it. Given the limitations of 16mm as a format I would say that most of the examples you mentioned are more of a marketing exercise (Look! A shiny new format! Give us your money!) than something that people would realistically be able to perceive any real difference from the blu-ray version.
Yes a lot of 16mm is scanned to 2K and then upscaled, as you know.
The reason I mentioned about R+J/Alchemy being 4K on Youtube was I wondered if any new work had been done on it. Was Alchemy being worked on? It almost appears to have had a bit of colour correction done maybe. That was my original train of thought, did it signify an update to Alchemy coming along? That’s why I mentioned about the 4K upload, but I realise I wasn’t too clear about why.
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Mark Knopfler & Brendan Croker at The Mean Fiddler 1988
« Last post by erjan on June 16, 2025, 06:15:08 PM »This linkbut it does not show John Hiatt playing there too?
https://spacemen3.co.uk/gigs/19871022-2/
shows that is was probably the 10th of October 1987.
yes, that is why it was probably the 2nd of October, the poster for that week is unfortunately not on the site from spacemen3
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Last post by dustyvalentino on June 16, 2025, 05:55:12 PM »I realise that it CAN be scanned in 4k, I just question whether there is any point to it. Given the limitations of 16mm as a format I would say that most of the examples you mentioned are more of a marketing exercise (Look! A shiny new format! Give us your money!) than something that people would realistically be able to perceive any real difference from the blu-ray version.
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Last post by Ingrained on June 16, 2025, 05:47:33 PM »Are they ACTUALLY 4k though?
Now I'm being cynical but I find it highly unlikely that they went back and rescanned the 16mm film in 4k.
The very nature of 16m film means it would be largely pointless anyway.
We’ll never know what the original file they uploaded was. It’s worth noting that sometimes things are uploaded to Youtube in 4K, and it’s believed by some that it offers a better compression algorithm than uploading in 1080HD. Or put another way, a 4K file uploaded and then set to ONLY play back in 1080HD will (arguably) have better/different compression ratio than a 1080HD file set to play back in 1080HD. That discussion has been going on for some time amongst videographers/creators who look to get the best results from Youtube’s compression.
I’m not saying that the scans for Alchemy are actually 4K, nor that they have gone back and rescanned it. Maybe they just upscaled a HD or 2K scan and then uploaded it as 4K. There was an interview with Dick Carruthers back in 2010 that had some technical info on the 2010 scanning I believe, but I haven’t been able to find that website for a while, and it doesn’t come up in Google searches anymore.
I would argue though that actually 16mm film is worth scanning to 4K. Especially to future proof archives of filmstock that can degrade over time. But I love film grain and I don’t see it as a downfall. It is what it is. Digital pixelation is something quite different and can look quite nasty. The idea that 16mm is not worth scanning in 4K is not necessarily true. The film 'Pi' (1998) was shot on 16mm and came out on 4K. Moonrise Kingdom I believe was 16mm. It has a quality of its own and perhaps is something to be celebrated.
Movies shot in 16mm
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls076833968/
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: MK with EC
« Last post by dustyvalentino on June 16, 2025, 05:39:25 PM »Solos on Walk of Life have always been problematic, Paul Franklin was the only one to pull it off IMO.
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Last post by JF on June 16, 2025, 05:21:38 PM »I've thought this for a while, but my theory is PB was cut because it was messy or there were mistakes etc,
I don't hear any "mistakes" at all
BTW, there is a greenie in the TOL outro, before the built up in the final solo, and it always had been here, because Alchemy was meant to be a "real" concert recording, not a polished live album (lot of discussions about this subject, OTN, etc...)... so Guy should have kept this philosophy about that gig imho