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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms, if it was recorded in the 60s
« Last post by Chris W on August 23, 2025, 10:36:16 AM »More encouragement for AI music. 
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Last post by Chris W on August 23, 2025, 09:29:54 AM »If you Google, some people say 14/4!
Where is our dear Chris Whitten?
It is 7/4. Or you can make it a bar of 4/4 followed by a bar of 3/4, as the 7/4 doesn't happen all the time (from memory).
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Last post by Love Expresso on August 23, 2025, 08:08:51 AM »This is about lyrics. Open your own rhythm thread. 
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Last post by Ingrained on August 23, 2025, 01:06:43 AM »If you Google, some people say 14/4!
In my knowledge, is 7/4 75bpm.
Could double it to 150bpm 14/4
Where is our dear Chris Whitten?
Well lets say the BPM stays the same, I think as you have suggested if I’m not misunderstanding, is that Terry kind of just approached that same rhythm slightly differently than PIck, with Terry adding snares in some places where Pick used high hats accents.
The problem is that Google is probably just scraping sites for data and using AI to give a time signature answer. Isn’t the point that the song kind of has more than one time signature in it? Is that allowed even? I’m not sure. I'm not a drummer.
My questioning of the time signature orignated because I had got feedback from a drummer friend trying to learn OUATITW, with him watching Alchemy (VHS back in the day), not the original studio Pick version. I’m not a drummer, so I don’t quite understand the intricacies of it, but I always wondered, for years actually, what was going on with the drumming in that song. It seems to change time signatures all over the place. I don’t know who came up with that arrangement, Mark or Pick. They make it sound effortless/seemless with the studio version which is amazing.
My original thought that I lost along the way, was that it may have been harder, or less like a natural flow of thought, to write lyrics to/around that rhythm
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Last post by Rolo on August 23, 2025, 12:36:24 AM »If you Google, some people say 14/4!
In my knowledge, is 7/4 75bpm.
Could double it to 150bpm 14/4
Where is our dear Chris Whitten?
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Last post by Rolo on August 23, 2025, 12:33:07 AM »If you Google, some people say 14/4!
Where is our dear Chris Whitten?
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Mark and the Nylon Strings
« Last post by Ingrained on August 23, 2025, 12:09:31 AM »The nylon strung guitar felt quite “intimate” when Mark played it instead of an electric, especially when used live, it added another depth to the dynamics of the set. It’s a more softly spoken instrument and draws you in. I think we inherently know that it is a quieter instrument as we associate it with not being amplified, so we listen in even closer. There's nowhere to hide with a nylon string guitar. It's a more honest kind of instrument in some ways, more exposed, that you can’t play tricks with.
That’s why I always felt it worked so well on R+J Alchemy, with that intimate love song.
Nowhere to hide is correct, zero sustain, the anti Nigel Tufnel!
Agreed Dusty, when he bought out the Gibson Chet Atkins, gone was any allusion to the rock star by the audience, just for a short while, and it added an extra quieter dynamic to the shows.
I would guess that it could also have been another moment when other guitarists pricked up there ears as well and noticed Mark’s playing. With his fingerstyle technique, he naturally translated well to the nylon strung guitar, he was at home with the attack and sustain of the strings, where as some other 80’s players, particularly plectrum users, maybe would never be able to access those kind of range of sounds that he could. And Mark’s playing is naturally melodic so it sounded beautiful on the nylon strings.
I don’t know why, but the nylon strings never seemed to work for me on the OES tour, perhaps because it was largely outside or in such large stadiums, that it lost that intimacy, but I never saw DS tour live in person, only the videos and maybe it didn't record as well (IMO)
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Mark and the Nylon Strings
« Last post by dustyvalentino on August 22, 2025, 11:26:51 PM »The nylon strung guitar felt quite “intimate” when Mark played it instead of an electric, especially when used live, it added another depth to the dynamics of the set. It’s a more softly spoken instrument and draws you in. I think we inherently know that it is a quieter instrument as we associate it with not being amplified, so we listen in even closer. There's nowhere to hide with a nylon string guitar. It's a more honest kind of instrument in some ways, more exposed, that you can’t play tricks with.
That’s why I always felt it worked so well on R+J Alchemy, with that intimate love song.
Nowhere to hide is correct, zero sustain, the anti Nigel Tufnel!
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Mark and the Nylon Strings
« Last post by dustyvalentino on August 22, 2025, 11:25:41 PM »Good post Brunno!
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Last post by dustyvalentino on August 22, 2025, 11:23:39 PM »If you Google, some people say 14/4!