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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2021, 09:14:46 pm »
Is the Fender nitro "real" these days? The MK strat certainly isn't.


What do you mean by real though? "Fully"? I had a Highway One some years ago, and the neck was poly and the body had a poly undercoat and nitro top coat. The top coat was so thin it was a matter of months before it started chipping off  ::)

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2021, 10:11:26 pm »
By the way, here around 5:50 you can really see the repaired bit on the top, something I would never ever notice without knowing the truth!

Also, the bridge pickup also looks kind of strange and not like the neck one. Looks like it's older or newer, but anyhow replaced.


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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2021, 07:20:33 am »
Is the Fender nitro "real" these days? The MK strat certainly isn't.

all the Custom Shop stuff is fully nitro. Ask one of their painters, Jay Nelson, directly via instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jncolor/?hl=en

The Knopfler is full nitro as well. See how the finish sinks into the wood nicely!

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2021, 11:03:59 am »
Is the Fender nitro "real" these days? The MK strat certainly isn't.

all the Custom Shop stuff is fully nitro. Ask one of their painters, Jay Nelson, directly via instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jncolor/?hl=en

The Knopfler is full nitro as well. See how the finish sinks into the wood nicely!

And it drops out of the guitar, one would think that with the use, but some MK Fender signature guitars says that looks like it falls during the night by itself...
You might get lucky, now and then

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2021, 11:29:54 am »
Is the Fender nitro "real" these days? The MK strat certainly isn't.

all the Custom Shop stuff is fully nitro. Ask one of their painters, Jay Nelson, directly via instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jncolor/?hl=en

The Knopfler is full nitro as well. See how the finish sinks into the wood nicely!
My understanding is the MK is poly undercoat, nitro top coat as well.

It certainly chips easily and doesn’t age like proper 50s and 60s guitars do.
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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2021, 11:50:28 am »
The easy chipping is a problem of the Fender Flash Coat lacquering. This problem continued with the American Vintage Series 2013-2018.

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2021, 02:13:18 pm »
The easy chipping is a problem of the Fender Flash Coat lacquering. This problem continued with the American Vintage Series 2013-2018.
So not full nitro then?


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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2021, 07:27:38 pm »
The flash coat is nitro. The way Fender applied it in the factory caused trouble.

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2021, 08:47:44 am »
Here is an abuse that should be exposed. Hessy Guitars from UK sells a Knopfler Les Paul VOS for 19k Euro (!)

https://reverb.com/item/39095429-gibson-custom-shop-mark-knopfler-58-les-paul-standard-vos

These guitars went for about 6k last summer.

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2021, 10:18:22 am »
It's not really an abuse. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it.

The selling price is what it is worth.
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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2021, 03:43:33 pm »
fair point, it's just pity fans can't get these guitars because collectors buy them up. This price certainly won't hold. He will get max 8-9k Euro for it, if he is lucky. Unless a buyer won't be able to discern the difference between the VOS, aged and aged&signed model

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2021, 04:17:15 pm »
Oh boy, that's not a fair price at all. What were they thinking? It's like I'd point in the sky and chose a random number for a price. The whole Gibson thing is so cringy I barely understand how Mark said OK to all this mess. No mention of the history of the guitar, as proved by this thread, too much flame in the wood from the pictures that I can see, I'm sure I'd find more flaws if I had the instrument, but I'll never have it because the pricing is awful. And resellers are absolutely insane, let's put 20 grand for a brand new guitar that was released 5 years ago just because it's rare. Amazing. I truly hate Mark's signature instruments policy.
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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2021, 10:54:02 am »
Oh boy, that's not a fair price at all. What were they thinking? It's like I'd point in the sky and chose a random number for a price. The whole Gibson thing is so cringy I barely understand how Mark said OK to all this mess. No mention of the history of the guitar, as proved by this thread, too much flame in the wood from the pictures that I can see, I'm sure I'd find more flaws if I had the instrument, but I'll never have it because the pricing is awful. And resellers are absolutely insane, let's put 20 grand for a brand new guitar that was released 5 years ago just because it's rare. Amazing. I truly hate Mark's signature instruments policy.

I very much agree and consider this an important conclusion and input for MK and his management.

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2021, 11:23:29 am »
How can the pricing have anything to do with Mark and his management? That's all up to Gibson and later on the resellers, who are free to charge whatever they want, like it or not. (For 20k you can get a new custom-built Les Paul-style guitar built by the very best boutique luthiers.)

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Re: Mark's 58 burst - amazing revelations!
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2021, 11:25:28 am »
Well MK knows what Gibson will charge for them initially.

When the strats came out MK said he hoped there would be a more affordable Mexican version. That never happened.
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