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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #1995 on: February 21, 2018, 03:04:08 PM »
KTGC is very nice to me, all the melodies are nice

I think some people don't like it just because the style/kind of sound is far away from DS

Privateering is also very different from the DS sound and still it is a fan favourite.

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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #1996 on: February 21, 2018, 03:15:51 PM »
KTGC is very nice to me, all the melodies are nice

I think some people don't like it just because the style/kind of sound is far away from DS

Privateering is also very different from the DS sound and still it is a fan favourite.

Exactly. The only two albums that carry that DS sound are GH and STP. Maybe SL, if you push it a little.
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #1997 on: February 21, 2018, 03:51:28 PM »
Really? The DS spirit is more or less present on each album.
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #1998 on: February 21, 2018, 03:55:37 PM »
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #1999 on: February 21, 2018, 04:01:32 PM »
KTGC is very nice to me, all the melodies are nice

I think some people don't like it just because the style/kind of sound is far away from DS

Privateering is also very different from the DS sound and still it is a fan favourite.

Exactly. The only two albums that carry that DS sound are GH and STP. Maybe SL, if you push it a little.
I can agree that STP is a DS album in disguise.
But GH is not very DS to me. Very folky.
And SL is not either. Or maybe in the league of Communiqué, with a mix of melencholia and send.
GL is much more DS to me, with BR an energetic opener like DTTW, Before gaz and TV lyrically akin to TR, and Piper - the new BIA !
Privateering has some DS-like elements like Yon Two Crows...

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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2000 on: February 21, 2018, 04:48:18 PM »
KTGC is very nice to me, all the melodies are nice

I think some people don't like it just because the style/kind of sound is far away from DS

Privateering is also very different from the DS sound and still it is a fan favourite.

Exactly. The only two albums that carry that DS sound are GH and STP. Maybe SL, if you push it a little.
I can agree that STP is a DS album in disguise.
But GH is not very DS to me. Very folky.
And SL is not either. Or maybe in the league of Communiqué, with a mix of melencholia and send.
GL is much more DS to me, with BR an energetic opener like DTTW, Before gaz and TV lyrically akin to TR, and Piper - the new BIA !
Privateering has some DS-like elements like Yon Two Crows...

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, sorry. I meant those albums sound more like DS than the others to my ears. I say that based on its instruments and arrangements, that predominantly avoid violins, accordions and so on and also have far more eletric than acoustic guitars. TRD was built around Mark's acoustic guitar and from KTGC onwards Mark has been privileging the folkies to the detriment of his guitar.

But yeah, it's Mark Knopfler and we all know that everything he touches sounds unique and DS-like.
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2001 on: February 21, 2018, 05:20:55 PM »
"But yeah, it's Mark Knopfler and we all know that everything he touches sounds unique and DS-like"

I fully agree :)
« Last Edit: February 21, 2018, 05:29:12 PM by Robson »
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2002 on: February 21, 2018, 05:58:57 PM »
I think KTGC is a very underrated album.    It has a very retro feel about it reminding me of the 50s, especially We Can Get Wild, which mentions the DA haircut and also "Billy Fury on the gramophone" - even Bert Weedon's "Play in a day" is in there too!  It's not my favourite album, but I don't dislike it and there are many really lovely songs - Heart Full of Holes, Punish the Monkey, We Can Get Wild, The Scaffolders Wife, Madam Geneva and also In the Sky, which I do like!    :)

Reminds you of the 50s?  Something your Mum must've told you about Val.  ;)


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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2003 on: February 21, 2018, 07:27:27 PM »
I think In The Sky is the biggest missed opportunity in human history. The song itself is beautiful but the arrangement is so bloody bland!

That song could've been Mark's solo career's Brothers in Arms. Forget about guitar tremolos and saxphones, I love those but not in this one. I can hear the keyboards and the folkies as a bed in the background, creating that mellow and slightly trippy atmosphere. Now I can feel the buildup, first drums and bass show up and then start pushing a bit harder, Mark's Les Paul firing those stunning and melodic licks in between his vocals, it's gaining momentum... Then we explode into the chorus, In the Sky, In The Sky... everything is roaring, but Mark's kind of roaring, classy, harmonious and emotional. The song continues with this dynamics until the last bit before the final chorus. It's just Mark's voice and Guy's keyboards. So moving and delicate... then the Les Paul tears into it, shortly followed by the drums and everyone else, we hit the last chorus and then... oh, and then Mark plays the most beautiful, melodic and spiritual solo ever! And it's long, very long.

But no, we got saxphone solos and yet another repetitive arrangement. Sorry, I can't forgive that album  :disbelief

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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2004 on: February 21, 2018, 09:50:17 PM »
I think KTGC is a very underrated album.    It has a very retro feel about it reminding me of the 50s, especially We Can Get Wild, which mentions the DA haircut and also "Billy Fury on the gramophone" - even Bert Weedon's "Play in a day" is in there too!  It's not my favourite album, but I don't dislike it and there are many really lovely songs - Heart Full of Holes, Punish the Monkey, We Can Get Wild, The Scaffolders Wife, Madam Geneva and also In the Sky, which I do like!    :)

Reminds you of the 50s?  Something your Mum must've told you about Val.  ;)


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luckily, today one does't have to be born in the 30's to know how does 50's sounds eh? ;)
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2005 on: February 21, 2018, 10:00:21 PM »
When it comes to Kill To Get Crimson, all great songs, personally I can't make a decision if any song is better than another.
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2006 on: February 22, 2018, 10:31:10 AM »
I think In The Sky is the biggest missed opportunity in human history. The song itself is beautiful but the arrangement is so bloody bland!

That song could've been Mark's solo career's Brothers in Arms. Forget about guitar tremolos and saxphones, I love those but not in this one. I can hear the keyboards and the folkies as a bed in the background, creating that mellow and slightly trippy atmosphere. Now I can feel the buildup, first drums and bass show up and then start pushing a bit harder, Mark's Les Paul firing those stunning and melodic licks in between his vocals, it's gaining momentum... Then we explode into the chorus, In the Sky, In The Sky... everything is roaring, but Mark's kind of roaring, classy, harmonious and emotional. The song continues with this dynamics until the last bit before the final chorus. It's just Mark's voice and Guy's keyboards. So moving and delicate... then the Les Paul tears into it, shortly followed by the drums and everyone else, we hit the last chorus and then... oh, and then Mark plays the most beautiful, melodic and spiritual solo ever! And it's long, very long.

But no, we got saxphone solos and yet another repetitive arrangement. Sorry, I can't forgive that album  :disbelief

I think that's the great thing about Mark, why would he want to produce another Brothers in Arms? He has done that, why do it again? I don't think it fits the lyrics and personally I think the arrangement of In The Sky is brilliant, I could listen to it for hours. There is enormous amount of tension but it's still very calm, very few can do that.

What I love about KTGC is that it's different, a turning point in MK's solo career. It's the least DS-like record but still very much Mark. Just as you can't compare the first DS record with OES, you can't compare KTGC with GH or STP. He moved on and that's one of the things I didn't like about Tracker, it's just more of the same. Every record until Tracker had something new but I think every song on Tracker has been done before. Honestly I think he's running out of ideas (musically).

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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2007 on: February 22, 2018, 10:42:18 AM »
"I think that's the great thing about Mark, why would he want to produce another Brothers in Arms? He has done that, why do it again? I don't think it fits the lyrics and personally I think the arrangement of In The Sky is brilliant, I could listen to it for hours. There is enormous amount of tension but it's still very calm, very few can do that.
What I love about KTGC is that it's different, a turning point in MK's solo career"

I agree with that :)

Words In The Sky fits beautifully with music
« Last Edit: February 22, 2018, 10:46:30 AM by Robson »
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2008 on: February 22, 2018, 10:47:07 AM »
I think In The Sky is the biggest missed opportunity in human history. The song itself is beautiful but the arrangement is so bloody bland!

That song could've been Mark's solo career's Brothers in Arms. Forget about guitar tremolos and saxphones, I love those but not in this one. I can hear the keyboards and the folkies as a bed in the background, creating that mellow and slightly trippy atmosphere. Now I can feel the buildup, first drums and bass show up and then start pushing a bit harder, Mark's Les Paul firing those stunning and melodic licks in between his vocals, it's gaining momentum... Then we explode into the chorus, In the Sky, In The Sky... everything is roaring, but Mark's kind of roaring, classy, harmonious and emotional. The song continues with this dynamics until the last bit before the final chorus. It's just Mark's voice and Guy's keyboards. So moving and delicate... then the Les Paul tears into it, shortly followed by the drums and everyone else, we hit the last chorus and then... oh, and then Mark plays the most beautiful, melodic and spiritual solo ever! And it's long, very long.

But no, we got saxphone solos and yet another repetitive arrangement. Sorry, I can't forgive that album  :disbelief

I think that's the great thing about Mark, why would he want to produce another Brothers in Arms? He has done that, why do it again? I don't think it fits the lyrics and personally I think the arrangement of In The Sky is brilliant, I could listen to it for hours. There is enormous amount of tension but it's still very calm, very few can do that.

What I love about KTGC is that it's different, a turning point in MK's solo career. It's the least DS-like record but still very much Mark. Just as you can't compare the first DS record with OES, you can't compare KTGC with GH or STP. He moved on and that's one of the things I didn't like about Tracker, it's just more of the same. Every record until Tracker had something new but I think every song on Tracker has been done before. Honestly I think he's running out of ideas (musically).

Whilst I agree with you about "In the Sky" - I like it very much too.  I disagree about Tracker.  For me it's Mark's best album to date and I listen to it from beginning to end with no skippers.   
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Re: Back into the Studio very soon
« Reply #2009 on: February 22, 2018, 10:54:54 AM »
Exactly
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