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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2011, 12:29:18 PM »
Dusty - As always I'm really impressed with your work and enjoyed these two songs immensely!  One of the other songs, "Social Networking Blues",  reminded me a bit of "Stand Up Guy"!   :)    I'm looking forward to the album! 

Thanks Val, and yes, need to hold my hands up to that one! SNB was definitely "inspired" by Stand Up Guy, the intro anyway, then it goes into a Paul Simon type pattern.

I'm sure all songwriters, and MK definitely, do this, you start playing something by somebody else then you change it round and it becomes something new. :)
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2011, 12:36:39 PM »
Hi LE!   Yes I'm back again.   It was a great holiday!   I did sneak a few looks at AMIT and Guy's Forum in a wifi hotspot, though!   ;D   
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2011, 03:12:28 PM »
Dusty - As always I'm really impressed with your work and enjoyed these two songs immensely!  One of the other songs, "Social Networking Blues",  reminded me a bit of "Stand Up Guy"!   :)    I'm looking forward to the album! 


I'm sure all songwriters, and MK definitely, do this, you start playing something by somebody else then you change it round and it becomes something new. :)

Yes, I have no problem with that.   Composers have been doing it throughout time, including classical ones!  ;)    MK has said he is like a sponge - he absorbs lots of music and it comes out again sounding something different!   :)
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2011, 05:44:27 PM »
Yes, trying to copy and imitate great songs and styles is not only acceptable, but also the best way to improve and evolve. Then at a certain point, you find your own style and voice and with a lot of luck break it to the world. I know i have tried to imitate many artists and by now I have managed to sound like MK when he was 6 years old.

But could please someone explain to me how and why Dylan, gets away with it when he rips off whole songs (see Modern times album) and puts his name underneath? I mean MK had to share a co-credit and the fat royalties from Money for nothing, just for the 5 notes of Don't stand so close to me.   
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2011, 06:08:55 PM »
VGONIS2002   Yes, I find that hard to understand too.  I love Dylan's songs, but when I heard "Modern Times" I was more than a bit bewildered that "Rollin' and Tumblin' and also "Beyond the Horizon" were credited to him.  OK the words were different, but the tunes were the same.  I remember "Beyond the Horizon" as "Red Sails in the Sunset" many moons ago! 
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2011, 06:44:32 PM »
Glad I am not the only one feeling this way. Thank you for that. I don't know if you remember the "Are you ready for the country" song by Neil Young. The last song of side A in his "Harvest" album. It is Rollin' and tumblin with different lyrics. I wonder where does tradition "loans" stop and ripping off starts. And is it the same for "giants" and dwarfs of music? Any ideas?
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2011, 11:28:59 PM »
According to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollin'_and_Tumblin'

The author of Rolling and Tumbling is unclear. So basically anyone can claim writing credit for their "arrangement".

But we should perhaps have a discussion about Bird of Paradise...

 
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #67 on: July 06, 2011, 07:06:15 AM »
man, i always loved this song!
any Knopfler, Floyd or Dylan will do....

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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2011, 08:36:03 AM »
Dusty, i know that what you say is that BIA is very similar to this beautiful song. But apart from the dissenting chords and the interplay of guitar and synthesizers (even if the guitar is a Gibson Les Paul) the songs are quite different. Well if BIA came first, I think that Bird of paradise would be more famous, since it would be considered a copy cat. Now nobody remembers. And anyway, Snowy, had this song only to show as a hit, minor mind you, and out of print for almost 15 years. And when in 2001 it was re pressed it was not that easy to find as Dire straits records.
As for the other matter, I have a set of new lyrics for Rollin and tumblin. How about giving them to you to record a brand new song? Well, I say when something comes from tradition you should mention it, respecting both the unknown composer and your audience, that might look for the roots of a song. It has nothing to do with fairness, it is only a simple "hats off" a sign of respect.
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #69 on: May 18, 2015, 04:18:57 PM »
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2015, 08:17:32 PM »
Another nice one Dusty! Bravo!
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2015, 10:08:23 PM »
Thank you sir!
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2015, 12:20:26 AM »
New Dusty Valentino song.

Nothing short of amazing  :clap

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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2016, 02:01:58 PM »
More shameless pluggery, a couple of tracks from The Malpaso Gang's forthcoming debut album:

https://soundcloud.com/malpasogang

All feedback (even critical!) appreciated. :)
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Re: Shameless Plug
« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2016, 02:35:27 PM »
The Hillbillies ride again!   :thumbsup
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