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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #495 on: August 01, 2022, 12:13:15 am »
In 1991/1992 his vocal delivery was like that because he didn't give a f*...
He was bored to death by October/November 1991: shortened the setlist and became incredibly static for the reminder of the tour, gave up playing the beautiful outro in R&J with the Pensa, etc.

So, I'm not sure his voice deteriorated that much after 1985, he just didn't want to be there so he put absolutely zero effort in his vocal performances.
Telegraph Road in 1992 went just like this:

believe in me. I'll get you away. out of the darkness into the day.
these rivers of headlights. rivers of rain.
anger that lives on the streets with these names.
run every red light. memory lane. desperation explode into flames. don't want to see it again.

I might have put more effort typing this than Mark singing it back then  ;D

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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #496 on: August 01, 2022, 12:49:10 pm »
In 1991/1992 his vocal delivery was like that because he didn't give a f*...
He was bored to death by October/November 1991: shortened the setlist and became incredibly static for the reminder of the tour, gave up playing the beautiful outro in R&J with the Pensa, etc.

So, I'm not sure his voice deteriorated that much after 1985, he just didn't want to be there so he put absolutely zero effort in his vocal performances.
Telegraph Road in 1992 went just like this:

believe in me. I'll get you away. out of the darkness into the day.
these rivers of headlights. rivers of rain.
anger that lives on the streets with these names.
run every red light. memory lane. desperation explode into flames. don't want to see it again.

I might have put more effort typing this than Mark singing it back then  ;D

I think you're probably right there.  I've heard some call it the On Easy Street tour.  The sax taking the first solo on a rushed TR and shortened ToL too.  The tour was a definite step down from the BIA one where every effort was put into each performance.



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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #497 on: August 01, 2022, 03:02:05 pm »
According to Joop de Korte, Mark seemed bored from start with that tour.

Still the early part of the tour sounded  so great.



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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #498 on: August 01, 2022, 03:17:06 pm »
Why can't I see it when I watch the concert from Basel, for example.

The boredom of MK on every street tour is overrated :D
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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #499 on: August 01, 2022, 03:33:24 pm »
Why can't I see it when I watch the concert from Basel, for example.

The boredom of MK on every street tour is overrated :D


Because you are wearing very thick rose-tinted glasses.

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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #500 on: August 01, 2022, 03:37:58 pm »
That's possible. Just like over 40,000 people at St. James's Stadium:)
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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #501 on: August 01, 2022, 03:38:07 pm »
I remember when I attended my Paris show in 1992, after the first 30 minutes of the show I had that feeling he was doing the job but like a robot. It was so mechanical.
Later when the TV special "24 Heures" was boradcasted I learnt that Mark was under medication (antibiotics) for a cold.

 
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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #502 on: August 01, 2022, 03:51:47 pm »
Why can't I see it when I watch the concert from Basel, for example.

The boredom of MK on every street tour is overrated :D
No, it is not. Almost every single person who talks about that tour is clear about it: John Illsley, Joop de Korte, Chris Whitten, Ed Bicknell... All of them say the tour was a disaster. Mark was bored, angry, dealing with a failed marriage and he clearly didn't want to be stuck for another year touring the world, playing songs and shows he no longer wanted to play.

In fact, in my view, the Basel 1992 concert is a crystal clear example of this. Mark speaks to the audience once, for like 10 seconds. Did he even smile once during that concert? I don't think he did. His vocals are completely emotionless, his playing is formulaic and the whole performance of the band is just robotic.

I love the On Every Street period because I'm a country/folk guy, so I love the album. But I would be blind or deaf if I said that the 1992 concerts sound good to me.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2022, 03:57:06 pm by rmarques821 »

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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #503 on: August 01, 2022, 04:04:21 pm »
He smiled many times:) I think we are forgetting about the joy and enthusiasm of the audience. And I can see it. My perception is different.

Mark knew his possibilities and life, he knew what awaited him on the long concert tour. If he didn't want to, Mark wouldn't go on tour
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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #504 on: August 01, 2022, 04:24:00 pm »
He smiled many times:) I think we are forgetting about the joy and enthusiasm of the audience. And I can see it. My perception is different.

Mark knew his possibilities and life, he knew what awaited him on the long concert tour. If he didn't want to, Mark wouldn't go on tour

I noticed that he smiled during Sultans, especially when he was duetting with Chris White, but sometimes he looked a bit irritated.
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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #505 on: August 01, 2022, 04:24:07 pm »
I don't think Mark had the freedom to choose to not go on tour in those days. They had an album to support.
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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #506 on: August 01, 2022, 04:32:02 pm »
Good point. But was the tour on every street really not a success?  Was Mark bored? He knows best :) It doesn't matter in my opinion - every street tour was a success.
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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #507 on: August 01, 2022, 04:39:54 pm »
Start - 1986: The unmistakable DS voice
1991 - 1992: Bored, tired, effortless
1996 - 2005: Same darkness as 91/92 but with far more effort and joy
2006 - 2010: Favorite solo era, had to keep up with Emmylou's beautiful singing, especially singing marvelous on the KTGC tour!
2011 - 2015: Mix between 1996-2010 era's

I found his singing on Tracker generally weak, but it suited the record. Of course, I still love the sound of his voice, but all power and urgency faded away. On DTRW, it's not a style/choice anymore. The need to deliver is gone. I think you can even hear which songs were recorded at the beginning of the session and the ones later on, closer to the release. Is he even trying on Heavy Up? You can also hear it on the latest tour, for example, in R&J, which always had passion and urgency, but it's completely gone.

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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #508 on: August 01, 2022, 04:41:27 pm »
Mark is a pro and soldiers on, but he's terrible at faking happiness. He's not an actor like some artists are. For good or worse.

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Re: New for 2022
« Reply #509 on: August 01, 2022, 04:45:15 pm »
Start - 1986: The unmistakable DS voice
1991 - 1992: Bored, tired, effortless
1996 - 2005: Same darkness as 91/92 but with far more effort and joy
2006 - 2010: Favorite solo era, had to keep up with Emmylou's beautiful singing, especially singing marvelous on the KTGC tour!
2011 - 2015: Mix between 1996-2010 era's

I found his singing on Tracker generally weak, but it suited the record. Of course, I still love the sound of his voice, but all power and urgency faded away. On DTRW, it's not a style/choice anymore. The need to deliver is gone. I think you can even hear which songs were recorded at the beginning of the session and the ones later on, closer to the release. Is he even trying on Heavy Up? You can also hear it on the latest tour, for example, in R&J, which always had passion and urgency, but it's completely gone.


I was just listening to DTRW and was struck by how lackluster his vocal performance is. Very little emotion. Some of those songs would really benefit from being sung by someone with a strong voice.

 

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