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Mark Knopfler Discussion => New Album => Topic started by: Neville Sherman on December 25, 2021, 09:13:37 am

Title: New for 2022
Post by: Neville Sherman on December 25, 2021, 09:13:37 am
Hey everyone! Happy Xmas and stay safe for 2022! Guy just teased that there is 'lots of new stuff for '22.' What do you think this might be given the whispers over the past year? I think the music from the musical will probably be released, Guy's new album for sure and probably the 'charity' music he has alluded to. Possibly Mark's new album but attention to detail these guys put into such a project, not sure about that one. Thoughts?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 09:41:22 am
Hey everyone! Happy Xmas and stay safe for 2022! Guy just teased that there is 'lots of new stuff for '22.' What do you think this might be given the whispers over the past year? I think the music from the musical will probably be released, Guy's new album for sure and probably the 'charity' music he has alluded to. Possibly Mark's new album but attention to detail these guys put into such a project, not sure about that one. Thoughts?

Happy Xmas to you too. Guy is always the tease....I agree Guys album will most likely get released. As for the LH soundtrack- we can only but hope. The MK new album I will predict will be Spring 2023.....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on December 25, 2021, 02:12:30 pm
No no no! I can't wait that long. The new album must be released in autumn 2022.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 03:07:07 pm
No no no! I can't wait that long. The new album must be released in autumn 2022.

But the band sessions aren't due until the new year and so April at the very earliest I just cannot see an Autumn release - be nice but cannot see it... Good things come to those who wait...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on December 25, 2021, 03:12:41 pm
Whole band sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 03:14:30 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on December 25, 2021, 03:16:19 pm
We'll see. February is not canceled:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 03:16:41 pm
We'll see. February is not canceled:)

It will be!!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on December 25, 2021, 03:19:32 pm
Perhaps some words from MK about this.?
https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/dire-straits-live-aid-one-billion-views-stream/
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on December 25, 2021, 03:21:32 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 03:22:57 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

What a shame for you, but none the less keep safe....Happy Christmas to you both by the way...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on December 25, 2021, 03:26:13 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

What a shame for you, but none the less keep safe....Happy Christmas to you both by the way...

Happy Christmas to you both too!    We are keeping hopeful about TS.   :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 03:27:12 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

What a shame for you, but none the less keep safe....Happy Christmas to you both by the way...

Happy Christmas to you both too!    We are keeping hopeful about TS.   :)

Fingers crossed- you just never know....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on December 25, 2021, 03:27:35 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

I don't want to read this :( When will this end...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 03:30:49 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

I don't want to read this :( When will this end...

None of us want to read this my friend but just at the moment it's the reality of life....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 03:34:47 pm
Perhaps some words from MK about this.?
https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/dire-straits-live-aid-one-billion-views-stream/

Nice!!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 04:14:17 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

When and where are you booked to go to TransAtlantic Sessions?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on December 25, 2021, 04:16:51 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

When and where are you booked to go to TransAtlantic Sessions?

The Sage at Gateshead - fingers crossed!   February 9th.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on December 25, 2021, 04:29:37 pm
Well again I hope it all works out for you both...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on December 25, 2021, 04:58:21 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

Transatlantic Sessions canceled?

I hope they are not, but anyway with nowadays restrictions I couldn't go anyway, as it's mandatory to take a pcr before the second day of your travel and you have to autoisolate until you have your negative result, and that would mean I would have to be isolated the day of the concert so I will miss it anyway!

Are there really expectations of a lock down in the UK?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on December 25, 2021, 05:09:14 pm
Whole team sessions are scheduled for February. I believe in 2022.
As there is a potential forthcoming lockdown here in the UK I doubt any planned sessions for February will happen....

Looks like Transatlantic Sessions will be cancelled too, which we have booked for February.  Also restaurants would be only serving meals outside. Brrrrr!

Transatlantic Sessions canceled?

I hope they are not, but anyway with nowadays restrictions I couldn't go anyway, as it's mandatory to take a pcr before the second day of your travel and you have to autoisolate until you have your negative result, and that would mean I would have to be isolated the day of the concert so I will miss it anyway!

Are there really expectations of a lock down in the UK?

It's only been hinted at by the scientists at the moment that there could be a lockdown, possibly until March. Nothing has been said about theatres at the moment, just restaurants, pubs and indoor events. 
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on January 07, 2022, 12:32:45 pm
Who knows what we will get, Guy said his album will be released in 2021, now he says 2022, that's great, I don't see why we can't get a new MK album this year, Mark must have written many many new songs by now, albums used to get released so much quicker back in the day, just months after recording. John's new album will be out in February too.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: wakeywakey on January 07, 2022, 02:24:39 pm
The band sessions are "set" and a vinyl production run must have already been booked(up to a years waiting list at some plants)so a 2022 release is most probable/fairly certain.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on January 07, 2022, 05:55:47 pm
I won't give up hope that Mark's new album will see the light of day this fall. Fingers crossed.  :wave
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Neville Sherman on January 08, 2022, 09:23:02 am
Yo, and the Doc has virtually confirmed that the charity record seems well underway. Add the fact that I am pretty sure there is going to be something in terms of the Local Hero soundtrack and it might well be a year to remember. News of some selective live dates following these releases would just add the tomato sauce to the chips!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: knopflertom on January 12, 2022, 09:06:31 pm
„ Mark will shortly return to the studio to continue recording for his next album. The usual musicians will be involved with the addition of Greg Leisz on pedal steel and other stringed instruments. No release date is available but it is likely to be towards the end of this year at the earliest.“ From mk-news
I have never heard of Greg Leisz…
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 12, 2022, 09:29:11 pm
Pedal steel! I'm very happy :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 12, 2022, 09:33:00 pm
...the end of this year at the earliest  :think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 12, 2022, 09:37:46 pm
Oh no, not pedal steel!! Yeeea haaa!!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 12, 2022, 09:38:18 pm
Why?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 12, 2022, 09:40:55 pm
Why?

Just not a huge fan of PS that's all...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 12, 2022, 09:47:36 pm
„ Mark will shortly return to the studio to continue recording for his next album. The usual musicians will be involved with the addition of Greg Leisz on pedal steel and other stringed instruments. No release date is available but it is likely to be towards the end of this year at the earliest.“ From mk-news
I have never heard of Greg Leisz…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Leisz
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 12, 2022, 11:19:59 pm
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/greg-leisz-mn0000154702/credits

Seems like he has worked with everyone.

I love the pedal steel. I own one and it’s incredibly difficult to play.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on January 12, 2022, 11:29:37 pm
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/greg-leisz-mn0000154702/credits

Seems like he has worked with everyone.

I love the pedal steel. I own one and it’s incredibly difficult to play.

Pedal Steel players are magicians basically... Knee pedals, foot pedals, going out of tune all the time, thinking about changing chords all the time. By difficulty of learning it reminds me of playing jazz on a diatonic harmonica. Ridiculously hard to learn!

But Pedal steel is nice, and not Paul Franklin! Surprise, surprise.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 13, 2022, 12:35:49 am
I have a pedal steel with only three pedals and it’s crazy.

You press down pedals and the whole fretboard changes. Crazy!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on January 13, 2022, 01:05:15 am
I'm so happy to hear the return of pedal steel! Really good news, I think it fits MK's music very well.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Peter1981 on January 13, 2022, 01:34:37 am
Oh yeah, love me some pedal steel! And Greg Leisz is a legend. Paul Franklin as well, by the way ;-)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: NicoMK on January 13, 2022, 09:13:25 am
„ Mark will shortly return to the studio to continue recording for his next album. The usual musicians will be involved with the addition of Greg Leisz on pedal steel and other stringed instruments. No release date is available but it is likely to be towards the end of this year at the earliest.“ From mk-news
I have never heard of Greg Leisz…
The usual other musicians…  ::)

I would have liked some changes… for a change… 
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on January 13, 2022, 09:20:57 am
I'm so happy to hear the return of pedal steel! Really good news, I think it fits MK's music very well.

I totally agree with you! Fantastic news.  :clap
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 13, 2022, 10:03:51 am
I do enjoy a bit of pedal steel guitar so long as it's not on everything.   I loved it on "You and Your Friends" for example.  I hope the new album is not entirely country music, but I feel sure there will be lots of styles as usual, especially as it seems the folkies are involved again.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on January 13, 2022, 10:25:21 am
This is great news, I hope Mark is returning to the Golden Heart era type songs, I loved his use of Pedal Steel, shame it's not Paul Franklin, but no matter, Greg seems very experienced, looking at the list of people he has worked with, I have already heard him without knowing who it was.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 13, 2022, 10:28:22 am
Some late MK records had pedal steel guitar and were not country at all, like, for example, Privateering.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on January 13, 2022, 10:30:55 am
I have just read an interview with Vince Gill from 23rd December 2021 where he says is making another album with Paul Franklin, maybe that's why Mark is using Greg? maybe Paul recommended him to Mark.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 13, 2022, 10:35:48 am
I have just read an interview with Vince Gill from 23rd December 2021 where he says is making another album with Paul Franklin, maybe that's why Mark is using Greg? maybe Paul recommended him to Mark.

Probably.

I thought that maybe Paul was afraid to travel to London because of Covid, but that makes more sense.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 13, 2022, 10:51:17 am
A nice interview with Greg leisz

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/greg-leisz-guitarist-interview-1172942/
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 13, 2022, 11:12:44 am
A nice interview with Greg leisz

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/greg-leisz-guitarist-interview-1172942/

I see he played in 1998 with Dylan and Van, I saw that tour so I guess I have seen Greig live.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on January 13, 2022, 11:16:52 am
Great interview, I can now see why Mark choose him, they have a similar musical background, and have a lot of artists in common.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 13, 2022, 12:58:18 pm
Just saw in twitter that McCusker, McGoldrick and their friend John Doyle are touring in february and march, being the 20th of March their last date... that means they won't join
the MK recordings until after that date!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on January 13, 2022, 01:08:23 pm
Big fan of the pedal steel here and would love to see a country influenced album from Mark as I think country rock is really his thing.

Really disappointed it's not Franklin though, and that the usual suspects are turning up.  I suppose that contradicts itself!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on January 13, 2022, 01:13:12 pm
Just saw in twitter that McCusker, McGoldrick and their friend John Doyle are touring in february and march, being the 20th of March their last date... that means they won't join
the MK recordings until after that date!
That is indeed an interesting question how much and when they will be present at BG this spring!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 13, 2022, 01:20:18 pm
Just saw in twitter that McCusker, McGoldrick and their friend John Doyle are touring in february and march, being the 20th of March their last date... that means they won't join
the MK recordings until after that date!

Thanks!  We'll be going to Otley on 25th February, Covid allowing!   ;)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 14, 2022, 08:15:12 am
Just saw in twitter that McCusker, McGoldrick and their friend John Doyle are touring in february and march, being the 20th of March their last date... that means they won't join
the MK recordings until after that date!
That is indeed an interesting question how much and when they will be present at BG this spring!

All the more reason I'd say the recording sessions will be in Late March at the earliest.....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 14, 2022, 08:17:55 am
I do enjoy a bit of pedal steel guitar so long as it's not on everything.   I loved it on "You and Your Friends" for example.  I hope the new album is not entirely country music, but I feel sure there will be lots of styles as usual, especially as it seems the folkies are involved again.

I'm with you on this one, superval. I'm not a huge fan of pedal steel but I am aware how well it does fit in with some of MK's work, however I wouldn't want it 'flooding' the new album mind.....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on January 14, 2022, 08:31:17 am
I do enjoy a bit of pedal steel guitar so long as it's not on everything.   I loved it on "You and Your Friends" for example.  I hope the new album is not entirely country music, but I feel sure there will be lots of styles as usual, especially as it seems the folkies are involved again.

I'm with you on this one, superval. I'm not a huge fan of pedal steel but I am aware how well it does fit in with some of MK's work, however I wouldn't want it 'flooding' the new album mind.....

Don't has to be country though. "The Ragpicker's Dream" is like jazz but still has pedal steel. With simple fills it transforms into violin-like, or orchestral little accents. It's only "country" with distinctive country solos.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 14, 2022, 08:33:14 am
I do enjoy a bit of pedal steel guitar so long as it's not on everything.   I loved it on "You and Your Friends" for example.  I hope the new album is not entirely country music, but I feel sure there will be lots of styles as usual, especially as it seems the folkies are involved again.

I'm with you on this one, superval. I'm not a huge fan of pedal steel but I am aware how well it does fit in with some of MK's work, however I wouldn't want it 'flooding' the new album mind.....

Don't has to be country though. "The Ragpicker's Dream" is like jazz but still has pedal steel. With simple fills it transforms into violin-like, or orchestral little accents. It's only "country" with distinctive country solos.

Yes very true, hadn't thought of it like that. Still scarred by the Pedal steel in OES which I wasn't a great fan of....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 14, 2022, 09:51:33 am
Just saw in twitter that McCusker, McGoldrick and their friend John Doyle are touring in february and march, being the 20th of March their last date... that means they won't join
the MK recordings until after that date!
That is indeed an interesting question how much and when they will be present at BG this spring!

All the more reason I'd say the recording sessions will be in Late March at the earliest.....

I think in previous sessions for other records, they started recording the core of the songs with the band, and the folkie parts were added later. Actually I think the last record, DTRW, only features the folkies in two songs from the fourteen, "Drover road" and "One song at a time".

It's seems likely they start in February with all the musicians except the folkies, and in March they would come if they are needed.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on January 14, 2022, 12:16:11 pm
I do enjoy a bit of pedal steel guitar so long as it's not on everything.   I loved it on "You and Your Friends" for example.  I hope the new album is not entirely country music, but I feel sure there will be lots of styles as usual, especially as it seems the folkies are involved again.

I'm with you on this one, superval. I'm not a huge fan of pedal steel but I am aware how well it does fit in with some of MK's work, however I wouldn't want it 'flooding' the new album mind.....

Don't has to be country though. "The Ragpicker's Dream" is like jazz but still has pedal steel. With simple fills it transforms into violin-like, or orchestral little accents. It's only "country" with distinctive country solos.

Yes very true, hadn't thought of it like that. Still scarred by the Pedal steel in OES which I wasn't a great fan of....

None of the albums have ever really had pedal steel anywhere where it wasn't needed, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.  The OES tour on the other hand...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 14, 2022, 12:26:19 pm
I do enjoy a bit of pedal steel guitar so long as it's not on everything.   I loved it on "You and Your Friends" for example.  I hope the new album is not entirely country music, but I feel sure there will be lots of styles as usual, especially as it seems the folkies are involved again.

I'm with you on this one, superval. I'm not a huge fan of pedal steel but I am aware how well it does fit in with some of MK's work, however I wouldn't want it 'flooding' the new album mind.....

Don't has to be country though. "The Ragpicker's Dream" is like jazz but still has pedal steel. With simple fills it transforms into violin-like, or orchestral little accents. It's only "country" with distinctive country solos.

Yes very true, hadn't thought of it like that. Still scarred by the Pedal steel in OES which I wasn't a great fan of....

None of the albums have ever really had pedal steel anywhere where it wasn't needed, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.  The OES tour on the other hand...

Heavy Fuel on the OES album? I like it but it's not really needed on that type of rock song.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on January 14, 2022, 01:18:47 pm
Just saw in twitter that McCusker, McGoldrick and their friend John Doyle are touring in february and march, being the 20th of March their last date... that means they won't join
the MK recordings until after that date!
That is indeed an interesting question how much and when they will be present at BG this spring!

All the more reason I'd say the recording sessions will be in Late March at the earliest.....

I think in previous sessions for other records, they started recording the core of the songs with the band, and the folkie parts were added later. Actually I think the last record, DTRW, only features the folkies in two songs from the fourteen, "Drover road" and "One song at a time".

It's seems likely they start in February with all the musicians except the folkies, and in March they would come if they are needed.

You beat me to it. That’s exactly what I was thinking about John and Mike. Plus the fact that last tour, they played a lot of percussion.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 14, 2022, 08:40:05 pm
I do enjoy a bit of pedal steel guitar so long as it's not on everything.   I loved it on "You and Your Friends" for example.  I hope the new album is not entirely country music, but I feel sure there will be lots of styles as usual, especially as it seems the folkies are involved again.

I'm with you on this one, superval. I'm not a huge fan of pedal steel but I am aware how well it does fit in with some of MK's work, however I wouldn't want it 'flooding' the new album mind.....

Don't has to be country though. "The Ragpicker's Dream" is like jazz but still has pedal steel. With simple fills it transforms into violin-like, or orchestral little accents. It's only "country" with distinctive country solos.

Yes very true, hadn't thought of it like that. Still scarred by the Pedal steel in OES which I wasn't a great fan of....

None of the albums have ever really had pedal steel anywhere where it wasn't needed, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.  The OES tour on the other hand...

Heavy Fuel on the OES album? I like it but it's not really needed on that type of rock song.

No, quite right. Pedal Steel on Heavy Fuel seems very out of place...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on January 14, 2022, 09:12:57 pm
Well if we could have stuff as good as PONO... just dreaming of the past <choose your emoticon>
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 14, 2022, 10:04:24 pm
Planet Of New Orleans ?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on January 14, 2022, 10:25:14 pm
Planet Of New Orleans ?

Yes.

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 15, 2022, 08:25:21 am
Well if we could have stuff as good as PONO... just dreaming of the past <choose your emoticon>

Now we're talking!!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 15, 2022, 11:17:09 pm
Whenever there is a message about a new album 'my imagination workin' over time... '
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 16, 2022, 12:28:13 pm
I expect something similar than the last record, with brass and the addition of pedal steel and mandolin in the way used on TRPD or Privateering.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 16, 2022, 12:40:40 pm
I expect something similar than the last record, with brass and the addition of pedal steel and mandolin in the way used on TRPD or Privateering.

Unfortunately, I think you may be right.....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 17, 2022, 05:47:46 pm
I am very curious what GF will answer to the jbaent question  :)

Has not responded since January 11
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 18, 2022, 09:18:56 pm
GF:

All will be revealed

:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on January 20, 2022, 10:41:12 am
GFs answer about touring, "I doubt it", made me sad. Of course I knew it, but my heart  doesn't want it to be over. To attend at least one concert on each tour have been highlights in my life. I have been so lucky to meet MK and GF more than once, and know I can't possibly ask for more, but I will miss it  :-\ The chances to meet them will be low at RAH I think.
It is a great comfort to know it at least will be another album  :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 20, 2022, 11:00:35 am
I think most of us had very clear that touring, as we know it, was over.

We still have hopes for series of concerts, maybe at the RAH, maybe at the O2, maybe in some big venues of some selected cities of the UK, to make sure enough people can buy tickets, but touring Europe, or North America, that's unlikely, almost sure is over.

Maybe if, recording with the band, he has so much fun, maybe he can decide for a series of concerts, so let's hope this new band sessions work well and made him desire to play live with them even just some shows in London.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 20, 2022, 12:58:25 pm
I think most of us had very clear that touring, as we know it, was over.

We still have hopes for series of concerts, maybe at the RAH, maybe at the O2, maybe in some big venues of some selected cities of the UK, to make sure enough people can buy tickets, but touring Europe, or North America, that's unlikely, almost sure is over.

Maybe if, recording with the band, he has so much fun, maybe he can decide for a series of concerts, so let's hope this new band sessions work well and made him desire to play live with them even just some shows in London.

Lots of maybe's there, jbaent!     ;)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 20, 2022, 01:06:19 pm
I think most of us had very clear that touring, as we know it, was over.

We still have hopes for series of concerts, maybe at the RAH, maybe at the O2, maybe in some big venues of some selected cities of the UK, to make sure enough people can buy tickets, but touring Europe, or North America, that's unlikely, almost sure is over.

Maybe if, recording with the band, he has so much fun, maybe he can decide for a series of concerts, so let's hope this new band sessions work well and made him desire to play live with them even just some shows in London.

Lots of maybe's there, jbaent!     ;)

I should had combined it with hopefullys, LOL
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 20, 2022, 01:51:58 pm
I think most of us had very clear that touring, as we know it, was over.

We still have hopes for series of concerts, maybe at the RAH, maybe at the O2, maybe in some big venues of some selected cities of the UK, to make sure enough people can buy tickets, but touring Europe, or North America, that's unlikely, almost sure is over.

Maybe if, recording with the band, he has so much fun, maybe he can decide for a series of concerts, so let's hope this new band sessions work well and made him desire to play live with them even just some shows in London.

Lots of maybe's there, jbaent!     ;)

I should had combined it with hopefullys, LOL

Maybe!    ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on January 20, 2022, 03:02:18 pm
GFs answer about touring, "I doubt it", made me sad. Of course I knew it, but my heart  doesn't want it to be over. To attend at least one concert on each tour have been highlights in my life. I have been so lucky to meet MK and GF more than once, and know I can't possibly ask for more, but I will miss it  :-\ The chances to meet them will be low at RAH I think.
It is a great comfort to know it at least will be another album  :)

Makes you wonder what Guy’s focus will be in a few years time. Or will he take early retirement?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on January 20, 2022, 05:55:07 pm
GFs answer about touring, "I doubt it", made me sad. Of course I knew it, but my heart  doesn't want it to be over. To attend at least one concert on each tour have been highlights in my life. I have been so lucky to meet MK and GF more than once, and know I can't possibly ask for more, but I will miss it  :-\ The chances to meet them will be low at RAH I think.
It is a great comfort to know it at least will be another album  :)

Makes you wonder what Guy’s focus will be in a few years time. Or will he take early retirement?
That's exactly what I would do if I were him. He's in his 60's, was a part of one of the biggest bands in the world, probably has enough money to live-by until his death. What else? Just sit in your backyard and enjoy the sun (well, not if you're in England), good wine and good food.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 20, 2022, 06:02:33 pm
GFs answer about touring, "I doubt it", made me sad. Of course I knew it, but my heart  doesn't want it to be over. To attend at least one concert on each tour have been highlights in my life. I have been so lucky to meet MK and GF more than once, and know I can't possibly ask for more, but I will miss it  :-\ The chances to meet them will be low at RAH I think.
It is a great comfort to know it at least will be another album  :)

Makes you wonder what Guy’s focus will be in a few years time. Or will he take early retirement?
That's exactly what I would do if I were him. He's in his 60's, was a part of one of the biggest bands in the world, probably has enough money to live-by until his death. What else? Just sit in your backyard and enjoy the sun (well, not if you're in England), good wine and good food.

Or keep recording and producing music. One needs something to do on daily basis, specially if it's something you like

By the way, MK said he's done with touring, not with recording.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on January 20, 2022, 06:12:55 pm
GFs answer about touring, "I doubt it", made me sad. Of course I knew it, but my heart  doesn't want it to be over. To attend at least one concert on each tour have been highlights in my life. I have been so lucky to meet MK and GF more than once, and know I can't possibly ask for more, but I will miss it  :-\ The chances to meet them will be low at RAH I think.
It is a great comfort to know it at least will be another album  :)
Makes you wonder what Guy’s focus will be in a few years time. Or will he take early retirement?
That's exactly what I would do if I were him. He's in his 60's, was a part of one of the biggest bands in the world, probably has enough money to live-by until his death. What else? Just sit in your backyard and enjoy the sun (well, not if you're in England), good wine and good food.

Or keep recording and producing music. One needs something to do on daily basis, specially if it's something you like

By the way, MK said he's done with touring, not with recording.
Something to do on a daily basis? Eat good food and drink good wine. Seems perfectly doable on a daily basis to me.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on January 20, 2022, 07:52:17 pm
GFs answer about touring, "I doubt it", made me sad. Of course I knew it, but my heart  doesn't want it to be over. To attend at least one concert on each tour have been highlights in my life. I have been so lucky to meet MK and GF more than once, and know I can't possibly ask for more, but I will miss it  :-\ The chances to meet them will be low at RAH I think.
It is a great comfort to know it at least will be another album  :)

Makes you wonder what Guy’s focus will be in a few years time. Or will he take early retirement?
That's exactly what I would do if I were him. He's in his 60's, was a part of one of the biggest bands in the world, probably has enough money to live-by until his death. What else? Just sit in your backyard and enjoy the sun (well, not if you're in England), good wine and good food.

Or keep recording and producing music. One needs something to do on daily basis, specially if it's something you like

By the way, MK said he's done with touring, not with recording.

I'm sure Mark will give him a 10% discount on the use of BG studio to record his albums.  ;)

I'm quite sure this time has been on Guy's mind for some years now.  He'll do the odd thing here and there.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on January 20, 2022, 09:01:03 pm
He said he’s turned down offers of touring with bands before but refused to say who.
His credentials are about as good as it gets for a player who the man in street hasn’t heard of but whose keys parts they will have heard.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 21, 2022, 09:16:21 am
Guy will be just fine - he can turn his hand to anything!    :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 21, 2022, 10:41:59 am
He said he’s turned down offers of touring with bands before but refused to say who.
His credentials are about as good as it gets for a player who the man in street hasn’t heard of but whose keys parts they will have heard.

He has a big and great career touring (Roxy Music, Dire Straits, Bryan Ferry and Mark Knopfler) and a great list of recording credits, not only with DS, MK, Roxy Music or Bryan Ferry, but many more, even Mick Jagger and Tina Turner.

So, he would be fine.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on January 21, 2022, 10:54:32 am
I have wondered for a long time if David Gilmour considered asking Guy to fill in, not replace!! Richard Wright for his tours or recording, David has recorded with Danny so he is familiar with Mark's musicians.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 21, 2022, 11:30:56 am
My best guess is Guy will be joining the BG team as a regular.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 21, 2022, 12:22:44 pm
MK said that he will keep writing and recording songs, so Guy will be with him.

The only thing MK has retired is from touring.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on January 21, 2022, 12:27:48 pm
MK said that he will keep writing and recording songs, so Guy will be with him.

The only thing MK has retired is from touring.

Are you sure about "is"? I think if he is, he'll release a statement. As Paul Simon did, though he still perform one-off shows from time to time, so not exactly retire from the stage. I think and hope MK will do the same.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 21, 2022, 12:35:50 pm
MK said that he will keep writing and recording songs, so Guy will be with him.

The only thing MK has retired is from touring.

Are you sure about "is"? I think if he is, he'll release a statement. As Paul Simon did, though he still perform one-off shows from time to time, so not exactly retire from the stage. I think and hope MK will do the same.

He said it a lot of times during the last tour, also told that before the tour, during the DTRW promo interviews. The fact that they anounced he is recording and will release a new record later this year and there is no plans for any tour, says it all.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on January 21, 2022, 12:45:29 pm
If I remember well 2019, Mark never said that he won't perform on stage anymore, and during the UK part I had the feeling that the door was still open contrary to his farewell speech to Barcelona.

But time is flying and we are in 2022 now.


 
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 21, 2022, 01:15:42 pm
I also want to believe...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on January 21, 2022, 01:23:33 pm
My best guess is Guy will be joining the BG team as a regular.

That would mean moving to London. I think the lure of the Sussex sea would be too strong for Guy. Of anyone wants to write a song called “the lure of the Sussex sea” then please do….I don’t need a credit
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on January 21, 2022, 06:25:24 pm
If I remember well 2019, Mark never said that he won't perform on stage anymore, and during the UK part I had the feeling that the door was still open contrary to his farewell speech to Barcelona.

But time is flying and we are in 2022 now.
At first he said he would stop. A few weeks later he said he would play untill he felt of stage  ;D
And in the states i don’t know if he did the stop touring speech. Anyone???
My hope is that he will do some concerts with his next album. If not i expect a short statement on his website….
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on January 22, 2022, 10:44:53 am
Nothing is ever 100% sure, who would ever have thought Roger Waters would play with Pink Floyd again, but they did happen for Live 8!!! same could be said for Genesis, and they are touring again, so, if Mark wants to do it, there will always be an audience for him.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 22, 2022, 12:16:19 pm
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 22, 2022, 01:20:35 pm
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.

Exactly
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: localhero1986 on January 22, 2022, 03:10:12 pm
Folks, he’s in his early 70’s, not 100+… ::) Charles Aznavour even toured in his 90’s.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Darling Pretty on January 22, 2022, 03:22:22 pm
Folks, he’s in his early 70’s, not 100+… ::) Charles Aznavour even toured in his 90’s.

We have to wait until he sees his Band again.
Maybe then he is on fire again. A main problem will also be COVID.
Do I really want to tour and having some stress in times of a pandemic?
I doubt it, but as Guy said: I am always hopeful
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 22, 2022, 06:45:16 pm
Folks, he’s in his early 70’s, not 100+… ::) Charles Aznavour even toured in his 90’s.

We don't know a thing about his health issues.

As Eddie said, this might be something more related with "can" than "want".
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 23, 2022, 09:16:37 am
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.

100% with you on this....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on January 23, 2022, 03:35:29 pm
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.

Yes.  From 2013 to 2015 there was a notable drop in standard, but in 2019 there was some basic songs just dropped from the set and others with short solos or backed by brass instruments.  I would fear for him and his reputation to tour now.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 23, 2022, 07:54:28 pm
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.

Yes.  From 2013 to 2015 there was a notable drop in standard, but in 2019 there was some basic songs just dropped from the set and others with short solos or backed by brass instruments.  I would fear for him and his reputation to tour now.

100% agreed dmg, sadly....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on January 23, 2022, 08:06:12 pm
The weirdest thing in 2019 to me was the absence on the iconic National on R&J. That sounded really strange.

The brass section can be cool if well used.

Mark turning into classic 'stax sound' blended with his inimitable touch could have been an enjoyable move.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on January 23, 2022, 08:49:23 pm
The weirdest thing in 2019 to me was the absence on the iconic National on R&J. That sounded really strange.

The brass section can be cool if well used.

Mark turning into classic 'stax sound' blended with his inimitable touch could have been an enjoyable move.

The beard resonator just didn’t cut it. He might as well have played it on a normal wooden acoustic tuned to open G.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on January 24, 2022, 08:55:39 am
The weirdest thing in 2019 to me was the absence on the iconic National on R&J. That sounded really strange.

The brass section can be cool if well used.

Mark turning into classic 'stax sound' blended with his inimitable touch could have been an enjoyable move.

The beard resonator just didn’t cut it. He might as well have played it on a normal wooden acoustic tuned to open G.

I think the old reliable National is just too heavy for Mark's back. The thingh weighs like an aeroplane! Around 8 lbs. or 4 kilos or more, it's a beast. And on the new guitar they seem to have a pretty generic and not a sophisticated undersaddle pickup which really sounds like a regular acoustic guitar. I think in the old one the pickup was installed right in the cone itself. But either way, this change was lame and I can't agree more.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 24, 2022, 09:21:48 am
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.

Yes.  From 2013 to 2015 there was a notable drop in standard, but in 2019 there was some basic songs just dropped from the set and others with short solos or backed by brass instruments.  I would fear for him and his reputation to tour now.

100% agreed dmg, sadly....

Unfortunately, I agree also.  I really enjoyed the three concerts I attended in 2019, but I wouldn't want him to do another tour in 2023 when he would be 74.   I wouldn't want him to tarnish his reputation.  I hope he just continues writing songs and making albums now.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 24, 2022, 09:27:56 am
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.

Yes.  From 2013 to 2015 there was a notable drop in standard, but in 2019 there was some basic songs just dropped from the set and others with short solos or backed by brass instruments.  I would fear for him and his reputation to tour now.

100% agreed dmg, sadly....

Unfortunately, I agree also.  I really enjoyed the three concerts I attended in 2019, but I wouldn't want him to do another tour in 2023 when he would be 74.   I wouldn't want him to tarnish his reputation.  I hope he just continues writing songs and making albums now.

Writing songs and making a few more albums would be perfect, but I'm afraid he is not cut out for any more Live shows....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 24, 2022, 10:11:39 am
The weirdest thing in 2019 to me was the absence on the iconic National on R&J. That sounded really strange.

The brass section can be cool if well used.

Mark turning into classic 'stax sound' blended with his inimitable touch could have been an enjoyable move.

The beard resonator just didn’t cut it. He might as well have played it on a normal wooden acoustic tuned to open G.

I think the old reliable National is just too heavy for Mark's back. The thingh weighs like an aeroplane! Around 8 lbs. or 4 kilos or more, it's a beast. And on the new guitar they seem to have a pretty generic and not a sophisticated undersaddle pickup which really sounds like a regular acoustic guitar. I think in the old one the pickup was installed right in the cone itself. But either way, this change was lame and I can't agree more.

Gibson Les Paul is also very heavy, and he used it a lot.

The problem with the National wasn't the weight, but protecting such an old guitar from further damage on the road.

I think he might had used the Beltona or the National replica instead of the Beard, that didn't sound right for Romeo nor for TR, but he thought it fit, so he used it.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on January 24, 2022, 10:30:48 am
The weirdest thing in 2019 to me was the absence on the iconic National on R&J. That sounded really strange.

The brass section can be cool if well used.

Mark turning into classic 'stax sound' blended with his inimitable touch could have been an enjoyable move.

The beard resonator just didn’t cut it. He might as well have played it on a normal wooden acoustic tuned to open G.

I think the old reliable National is just too heavy for Mark's back. The thingh weighs like an aeroplane! Around 8 lbs. or 4 kilos or more, it's a beast. And on the new guitar they seem to have a pretty generic and not a sophisticated undersaddle pickup which really sounds like a regular acoustic guitar. I think in the old one the pickup was installed right in the cone itself. But either way, this change was lame and I can't agree more.

Gibson Les Paul is also very heavy, and he used it a lot.

The problem with the National wasn't the weight, but protecting such an old guitar from further damage on the road.

I think he might had used the Beltona or the National replica instead of the Beard, that didn't sound right for Romeo nor for TR, but he thought it fit, so he used it.

Protecting guitar is also that Mark said about dropping his National, I believe. So, unless he's lying, that has to be true. But I think Les Paul is still about 1 kilo less, who knows about how his signature prototype weighs, maybe less, and also LP is easier to hold. With Heart Full Of Holes and "proper" metal body resonator guitar he played it while sitting! So it's not so clear to me as he just suddenly decided to protect a guitar after almost 100 years of abuse.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 24, 2022, 10:34:19 am
The weirdest thing in 2019 to me was the absence on the iconic National on R&J. That sounded really strange.

The brass section can be cool if well used.

Mark turning into classic 'stax sound' blended with his inimitable touch could have been an enjoyable move.

The beard resonator just didn’t cut it. He might as well have played it on a normal wooden acoustic tuned to open G.

I think the old reliable National is just too heavy for Mark's back. The thingh weighs like an aeroplane! Around 8 lbs. or 4 kilos or more, it's a beast. And on the new guitar they seem to have a pretty generic and not a sophisticated undersaddle pickup which really sounds like a regular acoustic guitar. I think in the old one the pickup was installed right in the cone itself. But either way, this change was lame and I can't agree more.

Gibson Les Paul is also very heavy, and he used it a lot.

The problem with the National wasn't the weight, but protecting such an old guitar from further damage on the road.

I think he might had used the Beltona or the National replica instead of the Beard, that didn't sound right for Romeo nor for TR, but he thought it fit, so he used it.

Protecting guitar is also that Mark said about dropping his National, I believe. So, unless he's lying, that has to be true. But I think Les Paul is still about 1 kilo less, who knows about how his signature prototype weighs, maybe less, and also LP is easier to hold. With Heart Full Of Holes and "proper" metal body resonator guitar he played it while sitting! So it's not so clear to me as he just suddenly decided to protect a guitar after almost 100 years of abuse.

Maybe it was a metaphore of himself, LOL
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on January 24, 2022, 11:30:51 am
It hurts me to say that but I don’t think it’s a matter of wanting or not to tour, guys.

Yes.  From 2013 to 2015 there was a notable drop in standard, but in 2019 there was some basic songs just dropped from the set and others with short solos or backed by brass instruments.  I would fear for him and his reputation to tour now.

 

100% agreed dmg, sadly....

Unfortunately, I agree also.  I really enjoyed the three concerts I attended in 2019, but I wouldn't want him to do another tour in 2023 when he would be 74.   I wouldn't want him to tarnish his reputation.  I hope he just continues writing songs and making albums now.

I'm absolutely with you, superval99!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 24, 2022, 11:33:35 am
Very few Les Pauls only weigh 7lbs…

Maybe the action was easier on the Beard.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on January 24, 2022, 02:37:43 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 24, 2022, 02:46:21 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.

I went to four 2010 concerts and all of them were terrific.  MK played beautifully, perhaps because he was seated.  :think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on January 24, 2022, 03:16:31 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.

I went to four 2010 concerts and all of them were terrific.  MK played beautifully, perhaps because he was seated.  :think

Yeah, it was such a great tour! I have very fond memories of the concert we visited. I can literally pick any recording of that tour and just enjoy it from start to finish.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Stiglar on January 24, 2022, 04:55:00 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.

I went to four 2010 concerts and all of them were terrific.  MK played beautifully, perhaps because he was seated.  :think

I agree! Although his playing wasn't as flawless as when I saw him in 2005, Milano in 2010 is easily my favourite concert i've seen from any artist. His playing was really inspired.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: JF on January 24, 2022, 06:42:37 pm
Maybe the action was easier on the Beard.

yes that's the reason I think
and the neck was thinner to

The problem with the the national was not its weight or difficulty to preserve it, but the thick neck and high action. Mark has always said this guitar was hard to play
Thats' also the reason he played Corned beef city. Slide was a way to have a rest for his wrist, before playing STP and Once upon a time
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on January 24, 2022, 08:07:56 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.

I think the KTGC tour is unfairly criticised.  Yes he was making more mistakes in 2008 than in 2010, but his solos were more inspired and he was taking more risks.  I admire that and the shows are always more interesting.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 24, 2022, 08:21:28 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.

I think the KTGC tour is unfairly criticised.  Yes he was making more mistakes in 2008 than in 2010, but his solos were more inspired and he was taking more risks.  I admire that and the shows are always more interesting.

Ah yes the KTGC tour - amazing when I look back now. MK seemed to play with much freedom then. Bit more variety with songs too....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on January 24, 2022, 09:47:10 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.

I think the KTGC tour is unfairly criticised.  Yes he was making more mistakes in 2008 than in 2010, but his solos were more inspired and he was taking more risks.  I admire that and the shows are always more interesting.

Agreed. Although 2008 was the first time I saw MK live, it does seem to be a turning point in more interesting song choices for a set list-and the introduction of a folky.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on January 24, 2022, 10:41:47 pm
He should have been seated the entire show in 2019. Although unfortunate, it worked great in 2010, and he definitely played better that way than the 2008 tour.

I think the KTGC tour is unfairly criticised.  Yes he was making more mistakes in 2008 than in 2010, but his solos were more inspired and he was taking more risks.  I admire that and the shows are always more interesting.

It was during the KTGC tour that I heard the best versions of Hill Farmer's Blues and Postcards From Paraguay.



Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on January 25, 2022, 08:55:31 am
It was wonderful to be at the Heineken for the first two shows of the KTGC tour and to hear so many songs, unexpectedly, for the first time.   They were really great shows and I enjoyed them very much, but the 2010 concerts are still my favourites - MK's playing was so special, everything was played so well, even though he was seated, or maybe because he was seated.  :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Marnix on January 25, 2022, 05:53:47 pm
It was wonderful to be at the Heineken for the first two shows of the KTGC tour and to hear so many songs, unexpectedly, for the first time.   They were really great shows and I enjoyed them very much, but the 2010 concerts are still my favourites - MK's playing was so special, everything was played so well, even though he was seated, or maybe because he was seated.  :)

Still a shame that from the KTGC tour and especially 2 openingsshows in Amsterdam no official recordings are. Good memories of those shows
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 25, 2022, 05:56:49 pm
It was wonderful to be at the Heineken for the first two shows of the KTGC tour and to hear so many songs, unexpectedly, for the first time.   They were really great shows and I enjoyed them very much, but the 2010 concerts are still my favourites - MK's playing was so special, everything was played so well, even though he was seated, or maybe because he was seated.  :)

Still a shame that from the KTGC tour and especially 2 openingsshows in Amsterdam no official recordings are. Good memories of those shows

There's a very good youtube video at least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn2GZM87ays&t=2038s
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on January 25, 2022, 08:55:22 pm
That is a pro recording.

How that possible?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 25, 2022, 10:04:35 pm
It was wonderful to be at the Heineken for the first two shows of the KTGC tour and to hear so many songs, unexpectedly, for the first time.   They were really great shows and I enjoyed them very much, but the 2010 concerts are still my favourites - MK's playing was so special, everything was played so well, even though he was seated, or maybe because he was seated.  :)

Still a shame that from the KTGC tour and especially 2 openingsshows in Amsterdam no official recordings are. Good memories of those shows

There's a very good youtube video at least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn2GZM87ays&t=2038s

Bad luck that this soundboard is from the US leg, where some of the most interesting songs were out, like one of my favorites "daddy gone to Knoxville" and Sonny Liston was back in the set.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on January 25, 2022, 11:37:09 pm
I do love Guy playing acoustic on Hill Farmer’s Blues in that concert.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 26, 2022, 08:58:18 am
That is a pro recording.

How that possible?
Seems he was in charge of the screens at the show and recorded it.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: binone on January 26, 2022, 10:25:03 am
That is a pro recording.

How that possible?

He was in charge of the internal video production for that venue, and he is publishing most of his recordings at that time. I did an editing of that video mixed with a good audience recording that exist, but this guy asked me to retire from Youtube. It is available on Knopflertk Unlimited.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Neville Sherman on January 27, 2022, 03:01:25 pm
I see Guy has opened a new tab for the forthcoming diary with 'Coming Soon' tagged on. Hopefully soon, we shall have some new bits and bobs to discuss. Like I say, hopefully!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on January 27, 2022, 03:10:31 pm
I think we should create a new board for the new album and move some 2022 topics.

Agree?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 27, 2022, 07:43:02 pm
I think we should create a new board for the new album and move some 2022 topics.

Agree?

Agree
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 27, 2022, 07:50:00 pm
I think we should create a new board for the new album and move some 2022 topics.

Agree?

Yes:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 31, 2022, 11:45:23 am
Already nervous thinking that the band might be traveling or already in London for the band sessions in February,

Looking forward to the Guy Diary starting in February!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Neville Sherman on January 31, 2022, 12:58:22 pm
Agreed! After nearly four years since the last recording session, lock down, no travel, there must be heaps of pent up creative energy about to flow into and around BG! Looking forward to a triple CD with a few more tracks for the deluxe version! 😃😃😃
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on January 31, 2022, 01:01:07 pm
Agreed! After nearly four years since the last recording session, lock down, no travel, there must be heaps of pent up creative energy about to flow into and around BG! Looking forward to a triple CD with a few more tracks for the deluxe version! 😃😃😃

We should go to British Grove and, from a security distance, clap them when enter the studio! Lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on January 31, 2022, 01:48:13 pm
I would love to know how many songs Mark has written since they recorded the last album?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 31, 2022, 02:14:10 pm
Twenty. Maybe more.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on January 31, 2022, 07:32:08 pm
I guess he has written enough songs to bring out a double album.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on January 31, 2022, 07:32:57 pm
Exactly!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on February 01, 2022, 11:12:06 am
I would think way more than 20, Guy says he writes all the time, I would be thinking around the 50 - 60 region, not including songs already written and sitting in his laptop.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 01, 2022, 11:17:46 am
I would think way more than 20, Guy says he writes all the time, I would be thinking around the 50 - 60 region, not including songs already written and sitting in his laptop.

During these years, I heard from people close to MK, that he was not only writing songs, but revisiting unfinished or finished but not recorded, and recorded but not released or not finished recordings... and Guy and MK are working at British Grove from November 2020 if I recall well.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on February 01, 2022, 11:41:04 am
I hope that includes Two Skinny Kids.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 01, 2022, 12:07:21 pm
Maybe Mark will come back to Back In The Day. We have the text:)






Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 01, 2022, 07:40:11 pm
Maybe Mark will come back to Back In The Day. We have the text:)

Now wouldn't that be great - mind you I guess it's already recorded....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 02, 2022, 10:57:40 am
Am I the only one a bit nervous and checking Guy site frequently?

LOL
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 02, 2022, 12:55:40 pm
jbaent believe me, I do this very often:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on February 02, 2022, 04:16:38 pm
Nope, you are not the only one  :lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on February 02, 2022, 05:55:46 pm
Guilty  :-[
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 02, 2022, 07:21:35 pm
Me too!    :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 02, 2022, 08:32:07 pm
I'll break the pattern and say I don't care ;D

As long as the release date will be known and set, and all is officially announced I'm pretty much not interested in this process. Guy will post a bunch of pictures with cables as usual anyway.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 02, 2022, 08:59:44 pm
But we can learn a lot from this process. These are not only cables but also instruments and guitars. This is important:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on February 02, 2022, 09:19:55 pm
Wow, is that possible, to not care about it?  :lol I can learn something about guitars and gear, but more important to me, it is an insight into their world. To see them doing what they love. Guy knows we love to see "behind the scenes", that is why he tries to give us something.
I can't play a single instrument, but I have watched the 2005 soundcheck twice. Just to see them and hear their voices. I know this sounds like they are wild animals on display...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on February 03, 2022, 09:18:40 am
Since they started recording at British Grove, the studio diaries have become predictable and gradually less interesting to me. It's nice to see familiar faces and the cool gear, but the diaries offer very little insight.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 03, 2022, 10:05:42 am
I agree with the points about diaries being just gear, cables, instruments and family faces, yes, it's true, but it creates a sense of something happening, the anticipation of a new record in the work, that anticipation, for me, has been always something important, as much as the record itself, it is, like MK says, part of the cycle.

We don't know anything that they're doing or how they're doing it, but they are there, doing something that will get into a piece of round plastic and vinyl, and that we would listen and enjoy.

How could someone not be excited about it?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Neville Sherman on February 03, 2022, 10:08:12 am
I think everyone gets a little something from the diaries and I suppose it is a case of what sparks your interest. I am for one am not technically minded so all the information on amps, wires, consoles, the types of guitars and equipment per se flies over my head for most of the time. I'm just grateful that Guy takes the time to give some insight into what is going on in the background which is a lot more than other artists. Perhaps it could be enlivened. Off the top of my head - a ten second video from each of the band every few days saying 'Hey-ho' - might just drive more traffic to the diary but it is what it is and long may it continue in my view. I just think that with all the preparatory work that has gone into this since late 2020, then whatever comes out of BG this year should be a real humdinger!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 04, 2022, 07:19:37 pm
Maybe Kim Wilson will come back to the band. I'd like more songs like Bluebird.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 05, 2022, 08:15:50 am
Maybe Kim Wilson will come back to the band. I'd like more songs like Bluebird.

Nice....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 06, 2022, 08:20:49 pm
Something started...

The setup...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 06, 2022, 08:45:27 pm
Mike and John.

GF:

They’ll be dipping in and out to come and record at British Grove.

Thank you jbaent :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on February 06, 2022, 09:21:14 pm
Something started...

The setup...


Yeah, let's get started boys.  :clap
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on February 06, 2022, 10:11:12 pm
Get the kettle on...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 08:02:33 am
Get the kettle on...

Earl Grey please.... :wave
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Neville Sherman on February 07, 2022, 09:07:07 am
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 12:51:44 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 01:35:03 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 03:28:00 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Neville Sherman on February 07, 2022, 03:46:16 pm
You learn something everyday on this site! I will give loose tea a chance then! Will need to invest in a strainer! No doubt someone has preferences for the right sort of strainer as well!!! :smack :smack
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on February 07, 2022, 04:02:40 pm
....The date has just been changed from 7th to the 11th  :hmm ::) :-[
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 04:07:23 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D   
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 07, 2022, 04:15:32 pm
....The date has just been changed from 7th to the 11th  :hmm ::) :-[

See, that's why I'm not taking all these thing seriously :lol

Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D   

That's pretty off-topic, but nothing to discuss here anyway. I only drink quality tea. Good tea is like good wine, it's just easier to drink and you can actually enjoy the process. I can drink a nice and expensive natural Earl Grey the whole day... I actually drink tea in beer mugs, that's how crazy I am. I consume tea in amounts no one wants to hear, and a bag of Lipton could kill me.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 04:24:42 pm
....The date has just been changed from 7th to the 11th  :hmm ::) :-[

See, that's why I'm not taking all these thing seriously :lol

Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D   

That's pretty off-topic, but nothing to discuss here anyway. I only drink quality tea. Good tea is like good wine, it's just easier to drink and you can actually enjoy the process. I can drink a nice and expensive natural Earl Grey the whole day... I actually drink tea in beer mugs, that's how crazy I am. I consume tea in amounts no one wants to hear, and a bag of Lipton could kill me.

Please don't mention the name "Liptons"!   For some reason hotels in Europe seem to think it is the best!   ::)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 04:40:37 pm
....The date has just been changed from 7th to the 11th  :hmm ::) :-[

 :hmm    :think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 05:02:45 pm
You learn something everyday on this site! I will give loose tea a chance then! Will need to invest in a strainer! No doubt someone has preferences for the right sort of strainer as well!!! :smack :smack

A nice cast iron tea pot simular to this should suffice for a good loose leaf brew...
https://www.exoticteapot.co.uk/teaware/cast-iron-teapots/product/tenshi-cast-iron-teapot-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAo4OQBhBBEiwA5KWu__7K-H0FJ1LMAnAwBotVZQbReACPL2ksmeqbwaY8S31Fewx5gWfqvhoC3gwQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 05:04:23 pm
....The date has just been changed from 7th to the 11th  :hmm ::) :-[

See, that's why I'm not taking all these thing seriously :lol

Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D   

That's pretty off-topic, but nothing to discuss here anyway. I only drink quality tea. Good tea is like good wine, it's just easier to drink and you can actually enjoy the process. I can drink a nice and expensive natural Earl Grey the whole day... I actually drink tea in beer mugs, that's how crazy I am. I consume tea in amounts no one wants to hear, and a bag of Lipton could kill me.

Please don't mention the name "Liptons"!   For some reason hotels in Europe seem to think it is the best!   ::)

Ooh no thanks to Liptons.....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 05:05:56 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D

I'm sure Guy, MK and even RB prefer Loose Leaf to 'plastic' tea bags!!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 05:12:26 pm
You learn something everyday on this site! I will give loose tea a chance then! Will need to invest in a strainer! No doubt someone has preferences for the right sort of strainer as well!!! :smack :smack

A nice cast iron tea pot simular to this should suffice for a good loose leaf brew...
https://www.exoticteapot.co.uk/teaware/cast-iron-teapots/product/tenshi-cast-iron-teapot-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAo4OQBhBBEiwA5KWu__7K-H0FJ1LMAnAwBotVZQbReACPL2ksmeqbwaY8S31Fewx5gWfqvhoC3gwQAvD_BwE

Yes, they're lovely!    Mine is an old-fashioned brown, shiny one!   :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 07, 2022, 05:38:28 pm
Surely Guy gives a tea preference in one of the tour diary posts.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 07, 2022, 05:56:53 pm
Guy favours pyramid PG Tips, or at least he did, maybe he's changed becuase of poor quality control.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GuyFletcher/status/1367789632268738563
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 05:57:48 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D

I'm sure Guy, MK and even RB prefer Loose Leaf to 'plastic' tea bags!!

The Yorkshire or PG tea bags are made of paper, not plastic!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 07, 2022, 05:58:13 pm
PG Tips in 2011:

https://guyfletcher.co.uk/2011dylan_6th_oct_2011_-_dublin_show_day/
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 07, 2022, 05:59:38 pm
And 2015

https://guyfletcher.co.uk/7th-oct-2015-montreal/

And 2019

https://guyfletcher.co.uk/20th-21st-august-2019-new-york-ny/
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 06:00:39 pm
Guy favours pyramid PG Tips, or at least he did, maybe he's changed becuase of poor quality control.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GuyFletcher/status/1367789632268738563

Ha ha!   Wonderful!    :lol   
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 07, 2022, 06:20:50 pm
They should start in 4 days. if I understand correctly.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 06:36:13 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D

I'm sure Guy, MK and even RB prefer Loose Leaf to 'plastic' tea bags!!

The Yorkshire or PG tea bags are made of paper, not plastic!

Yes I know that, but up to a few years ago plastic or PLA was uses most certainly in Yorkshire tea bags and quite possibly PG Tips too....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 06:36:38 pm
Guy favours pyramid PG Tips, or at least he did, maybe he's changed becuase of poor quality control.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GuyFletcher/status/1367789632268738563

Ha ha!   Wonderful!    :lol

Absolute Bilge...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 06:44:30 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D

I'm sure Guy, MK and even RB prefer Loose Leaf to 'plastic' tea bags!!

The Yorkshire or PG tea bags are made of paper, not plastic!

Yes I know that, but up to a few years ago plastic or PLA was uses most certainly in Yorkshire tea bags and quite possibly PG Tips too....

My used tea bags go into my compost bin and before too long have completely disappeared and can go on to my garden.  That wouldn't happen with plastic.   I have been putting tea bags on to my compost heap for as long as I can remember and they have always decomposed, so they weren't plastic - I have always bought either Yorkshire or PG btw.  :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 07, 2022, 07:10:20 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D

I'm sure Guy, MK and even RB prefer Loose Leaf to 'plastic' tea bags!!

The Yorkshire or PG tea bags are made of paper, not plastic!

Yes I know that, but up to a few years ago plastic or PLA was uses most certainly in Yorkshire tea bags and quite possibly PG Tips too....

My used tea bags go into my compost bin and before too long have completely disappeared and can go on to my garden.  That wouldn't happen with plastic.   I have been putting tea bags on to my compost heap for as long as I can remember and they have always decomposed, so they weren't plastic - I have always bought either Yorkshire or PG btw.  :)
Sorry but you have been composting plastic all those years - it's well known...
https://www.yorkshiretea.co.uk/brew-news/an-update-on-plant-based-tea-bags
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 07, 2022, 07:49:59 pm
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D

I'm sure Guy, MK and even RB prefer Loose Leaf to 'plastic' tea bags!!

The Yorkshire or PG tea bags are made of paper, not plastic!

Yes I know that, but up to a few years ago plastic or PLA was uses most certainly in Yorkshire tea bags and quite possibly PG Tips too....

My used tea bags go into my compost bin and before too long have completely disappeared and can go on to my garden.  That wouldn't happen with plastic.   I have been putting tea bags on to my compost heap for as long as I can remember and they have always decomposed, so they weren't plastic - I have always bought either Yorkshire or PG btw.  :)
Sorry but you have been composting plastic all those years - it's well known...
https://www.yorkshiretea.co.uk/brew-news/an-update-on-plant-based-tea-bags

So, there we have it - plastic was the special ingredient for a good compost, which, of course, as you will know is essential for a beautiful garden!  I feel much better knowing that I have been doing the right thing for all of these years.  Thank you for letting me know.   :wave


Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on February 07, 2022, 08:54:04 pm
They should start in 4 days. if I understand correctly.

They already started. Diary will go live at friday 11 feb
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 07, 2022, 09:05:31 pm
Yes. That's right. Thank you.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on February 07, 2022, 09:11:41 pm
There is nothing better than sipping delicious tea in a nice tea mug while listening to Knopfler music.   :wave
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 07, 2022, 09:20:57 pm
I always choose coffee ;)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 07, 2022, 09:25:45 pm
Well there you go, I always thought tea bags were paper. Actually, I never really thought about it.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 07:53:23 am
There is nothing better than sipping delicious tea in a nice tea mug while listening to Knopfler music.   :wave

I agree wholeheartedly...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 07:54:48 am
Nah! Yorkshire tea or at best, PG tips!! ;D

Oh no, not tea bags - Pleaaassese!! Fresh, Loose tea please - far less plastic too!

Loose tea isn't fresh either, it's dried just like in tea bags!     :)

It's certainly a lot fresher than bagged tea...
The main difference between loose leaf tea and bagged tea is the grade of the tea used. 'Generally speaking, tea bags will use low grade tea (called 'dust' or 'fannings'). ... It just indicates the condition of the tea leaves used. By contrast, loose leaf teas generally use the whole tea leaf...

You should ask the connoisseur tea-drinker, Guy, what he uses, loose or bags!   ;D

I'm sure Guy, MK and even RB prefer Loose Leaf to 'plastic' tea bags!!

The Yorkshire or PG tea bags are made of paper, not plastic!

Yes I know that, but up to a few years ago plastic or PLA was uses most certainly in Yorkshire tea bags and quite possibly PG Tips too....

My used tea bags go into my compost bin and before too long have completely disappeared and can go on to my garden.  That wouldn't happen with plastic.   I have been putting tea bags on to my compost heap for as long as I can remember and they have always decomposed, so they weren't plastic - I have always bought either Yorkshire or PG btw.  :)
Sorry but you have been composting plastic all those years - it's well known...
https://www.yorkshiretea.co.uk/brew-news/an-update-on-plant-based-tea-bags

So, there we have it - plastic was the special ingredient for a good compost, which, of course, as you will know is essential for a beautiful garden!  I feel much better knowing that I have been doing the right thing for all of these years.  Thank you for letting me know.   :wave

Now you know why you had tremendous blooms each year - ooooh err!!
And that's why our Apples, Pears and Roses are have done well each year in the past...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on February 08, 2022, 07:59:09 am
Tea is horrible, coffee all the way for me, and yes I am English.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 08:09:36 am
Tea is horrible, coffee all the way for me, and yes I am English.

Oh dear.....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 08, 2022, 09:22:51 am
I'm more a coffee man, as it is more usual in Spain, but sometimes I tried Tea and, well, is not bad, but it's not coffee, LOL

Going back to topic, looking forward to all that mugs of tea on British Grove!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 08, 2022, 09:43:03 am
I'm still wishing that this 2022 not only have the charity project, and hopefully the new MK record, but also the Local hero musical back to London stages, and also the cd of the musical.

I keep trying to get any info from Guy about the musical, but always failing. I know he is quite tied about it and he keeps saying we will know something soon, but it is soon from more or less last year, lol.

Can't wait for news about it!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 08, 2022, 10:01:33 am
Tea is horrible, coffee all the way for me, and yes I am English.

Try without milk.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on February 08, 2022, 10:17:15 am
Someone I know suggested that to me a while ago, and It didn't really help, and I still couldn't drink it, I have milk in coffee too, everyone has there personal taste I guess, there is no right or wrong way to drink tea or coffee.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 08, 2022, 10:52:47 am
Tea is much more thirst-quenching and refreshing than coffee.  I always drink tea at home, but usually coffee in cafes, but it makes me feel quite hot.   I also find that tea tastes best in a china mug rather than thick earthenware ones.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 11:04:49 am
Tea is much more thirst-quenching and refreshing than coffee.  I always drink tea at home, but usually coffee in cafes, but it makes me feel quite hot.   I also find that tea tastes best in a china mug rather than thick earthenware ones.

Try Decaf Coffee - Superval, Mrs Knopflerfan has decaf and feels ok with that... :wave
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 11:06:22 am
Tea is horrible, coffee all the way for me, and yes I am English.

Try without milk.

Personally I only have a smidge of Milk in say Breakfast tea, and no milk whatsoever in Earl Grey, Lapsong Souchong & Oolong etc
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 11:07:22 am

Going back to topic, looking forward to all that mugs of tea on British Grove!

Indeed that would make a good sight, Tea cups on show at BG!!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 08, 2022, 11:11:32 am
Tea is much more thirst-quenching and refreshing than coffee.  I always drink tea at home, but usually coffee in cafes, but it makes me feel quite hot.   I also find that tea tastes best in a china mug rather than thick earthenware ones.

Try Decaf Coffee - Superval, Mrs Knopflerfan has decaf and feels ok with that... :wave

Decaf is disgusting!   It tastes like cocoa!       I like a flat white when I'm in a cafe or restaurant, though.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 11:13:45 am
Tea is much more thirst-quenching and refreshing than coffee.  I always drink tea at home, but usually coffee in cafes, but it makes me feel quite hot.   I also find that tea tastes best in a china mug rather than thick earthenware ones.

Try Decaf Coffee - Superval, Mrs Knopflerfan has decaf and feels ok with that... :wave

Decaf is disgusting!   It tastes like cocoa!       I like a flat white when I'm in a cafe or restaurant, though.

Cocoa???? Obviously a crap blend then!

In fact we don't think Decaf coffee tastes any different than 'full fat'
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on February 08, 2022, 11:19:33 am
Tea is horrible, coffee all the way for me, and yes I am English.

Try without milk.

Personally I only have a smidge of Milk in say Breakfast tea, and no milk whatsoever in Earl Grey, Lapsong Souchong & Oolong etc

I have a slice of lemon with Earl Grey, but Lapsang Souchong tastes like disinfectant. I was at someone's house one day and I wondered why the tea tasted so awful.  I thought the cups must have been washed with Jeyes fluid, until my host asked me if I liked the tea and explained that it was Lapsang!    I had even thought of pouring into the nearest plant when she wasn't looking!    ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 08, 2022, 11:21:59 am
Tea is horrible, coffee all the way for me, and yes I am English.

Try without milk.

Personally I only have a smidge of Milk in say Breakfast tea, and no milk whatsoever in Earl Grey, Lapsong Souchong & Oolong etc

I have a slice of lemon with Earl Grey, but Lapsong Souchong tastes like disinfectant. I was at someone's house one day and I wondered why the tea tasted so awful.  I thought the cups must have been washed with Jeyes fluid, until my host asked me if I liked the tea and explained that it was Lapsong!    I had even thought of pouring into the nearest plant when she wasn't looking!    ;D

Ah Lapsong, dear Lapsong - just so delightful and smokey!
Again it's got to be loose tea NOT a Twinings 'weak brew' tea bag!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 08, 2022, 12:32:50 pm
I'm still wishing that this 2022 not only have the charity project, and hopefully the new MK record, but also the Local hero musical back to London stages, and also the cd of the musical.

I keep trying to get any info from Guy about the musical, but always failing. I know he is quite tied about it and he keeps saying we will know something soon, but it is soon from more or less last year, lol.

Can't wait for news about it!

Me too.
I would like to hear MK Local Hero versions.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: knopflertom on February 08, 2022, 01:20:00 pm
I'm still wishing that this 2022 not only have the charity project, and hopefully the new MK record, but also the Local hero musical back to London stages, and also the cd of the musical.

Which charity project? I haven‘t heard of this yet  :hmm :think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 08, 2022, 01:21:33 pm
I'm still wishing that this 2022 not only have the charity project, and hopefully the new MK record, but also the Local hero musical back to London stages, and also the cd of the musical.

Which charity project? I haven‘t heard of this yet  :hmm :think

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=7991.0
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 08, 2022, 01:27:42 pm
When I was called by phone by the Old Vic, they said to me that they wish to be able to have Local Hero on their stage when the pandemia allows such a play with so many people on stage. I received today a mail from the Old Vic with their schedule for this year and, those plays between two and five people only. So they didn't schedule any big one yet.

The last date of their schedule is 9th July 2022 so, if there is any chance for Local Hero at the Old Vic, it would be starting in July, maybe August / September?

However, from all that was said at the time, I'm under the impression that the musical is going to move to other theatre. Most of West End ones have some musicals represented...

Let's hope that "Soon" is soon really.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: knopflertom on February 11, 2022, 05:13:56 pm
New diary entry is online https://guyfletcher.co.uk/studio-diary-2022/  :o
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on February 11, 2022, 05:27:02 pm
I will make a new diary thread and bundle the posts. Now it's here and in guy's forum topic...

New Studio Diary topic

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=8015.0
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 15, 2022, 08:09:59 pm
According to Mark's social media, Mark and the band are at British Grove recording for Mark's next album, which will be released in 2023:

https://twitter.com/MarkKnopfler/status/1493662064895737857
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on February 15, 2022, 08:16:38 pm
According to Mark's social media, Mark and the band are at British Grove recording for Mark's next album, which will be released in 2023:

https://twitter.com/MarkKnopfler/status/1493662064895737857
Interesting. I was kind of hoping for a late 2022 release... Around October or November, maybe.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 15, 2022, 08:17:04 pm
Oh no! I thought about 2022  :(
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: GIUMK on February 15, 2022, 08:18:56 pm
In 2023??? :o :o :o
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 15, 2022, 08:23:27 pm
Hey, microphones doesn't move on their own, you need some time to play with their placement :lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 15, 2022, 08:27:10 pm
I hope it will be January 2023.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 15, 2022, 08:28:38 pm
March, April 2023, more likely April.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 15, 2022, 08:32:32 pm
But why??? So long
This is over a year of waiting :disbelief
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on February 15, 2022, 08:44:36 pm
Unless... Mark is planning to tour after the release of the album and wants the world to be completely Covid-free! :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 15, 2022, 10:11:28 pm
But why??? So long
This is over a year of waiting :disbelief

Because the places where cds and lps had to be made are very busy and have a lot of delays because lack of materials.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 15, 2022, 10:57:56 pm
But why??? So long
This is over a year of waiting :disbelief

Because the places where cds and lps had to be made are very busy and have a lot of delays because lack of materials.

Absolutely, and this chip shortage drives me nuts... The world is crazy so no wonder the date is pushed way back. Rather than announce it and then postpone it, just put it more than a year later. Wise choice! I'll not talk about that you don't need to produce physical albums in 2022 anymore, but anyway... I think they will still keep making CDs even a thousand years from now it seems.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on February 15, 2022, 11:30:13 pm
The release strategy was always based on touring, but now that there won’t be any tour, and the session only takes 4 weeks, 2023 seems very far away. 
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 15, 2022, 11:36:26 pm
The release strategy was always based on touring, but now that there won’t be any tour, and the session only takes 4 weeks, 2023 seems very far away.

Exactly  :(
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 16, 2022, 08:12:12 am
The release strategy was always based on touring, but now that there won’t be any tour, and the session only takes 4 weeks, 2023 seems very far away.

Probably when they went to hire the production plants for cds and lps they found out those were so busy that it won't be possible to have the record made until next year.

It's happening to most artists these days.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: GIUMK on February 16, 2022, 09:17:37 am
But what if the reason is that this year he will publish something in the name of Dire Straits? :think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 16, 2022, 09:49:48 am
But what if the reason is that this year he will publish something in the name of Dire Straits? :think

who knows.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on February 16, 2022, 09:55:18 am
Given how MK enjoyed recording and crafting his albums in the past a release of his next solo album in 2022 was never realistic.
I had to chuckle at TK's Henrik Hansen-like line "no release date is available but it is likely to be towards the end of this year at the earliest".
After recording sessions are over MK likes to take (maybe too much) time to fiddle around with mixing, correcting test pressings etc.
I had small hopes that things would be different this time when in March 2020 he posted "I aim to be back in the studio recording songs as soon as possible". I hoped he would have sensed and realised how much people craved for new music from him in these scaring covid times.
But it turned out just about everything else musicwise (charity CD, contributions, etc.) was more important than recording his own songs for his next solo album. And when they postponed the recording sessions last autumn it was clear the album is on the back burner and won't see a release in 2022.
So unfortunatelly a much needed and longed for help in troubled times is still a year away...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on February 16, 2022, 10:20:47 am
This is really disappointing, I am not going to speculate as to the 2023 release, as we just don't know the answer, but it is a long time away.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on February 16, 2022, 10:43:11 am
I agree with you Skydiver. It is difficult to keep up positivity with a timeline like this. I think it would be possible with a release late this year if they really wanted to, pandemic or not. It is probably a stupid thing to say when I know very little about the business, but when other musicians can do it, why can't he. I think most other musicians need to set more deadlines than he does, to make deals with studios, order LPs, and everything that the management do.
I will cling to the studio diary  :-\
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on February 16, 2022, 10:59:04 am
I agree with you Skydiver. It is difficult to keep up positivity with a timeline like this. I think it would be possible with a release late this year if they really wanted to, pandemic or not. It is probably a stupid thing to say when I know very little about the business, but when other musicians can do it, why can't he. I think most other musicians need to set more deadlines than he does, to make deals with studios, order LPs, and everything that the management do.
I will cling to the studio diary  :-\

You make some good points. Of course none of us really knows about the business and the real reasons why it will take him four and a half years to release his next album.
My point is that Mark and Guy have a fine perception and know very well how much it means to so many people what they do.
I am certain they are aware how grateful we would have been for just about anything they would have given us as a small relief during these last two years of worrying.
But all we got was "can't say" and "coming soon".
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 16, 2022, 11:36:00 am
Guy already stated that producing lp records is delayed a lot and that would affect the release...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: naif on February 16, 2022, 11:36:47 am
Unbelievable. awful news. A 5-year hiatus after DTRW. 5 years is a very long time for someone Mark's age. We know that there were many songs that he did record and not release in his long career. I wish they would at least sell these songs online.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 16, 2022, 11:45:58 am
Unbelievable. awful news. A 5-year hiatus after DTRW. 5 years is a very long time for someone Mark's age. We know that there were many songs that he did record and not release in his long career. I wish they would at least sell these songs online.

Yes, this is a huge gap. I'm afraid that Mark is also really afraid of the diminishing amount of time he has left (he already said it while making Privateering and it was already 10 (!) years ago). And I think this album is going to be one of his best, also maybe, and it's always a possibility, it may be his last. Who knows? So with all this information in mind, I can wait for 10 years, as long as the end product will be good. The last thing you want to do here is to rush things.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 16, 2022, 11:51:18 am
Unbelievable. awful news. A 5-year hiatus after DTRW. 5 years is a very long time for someone Mark's age. We know that there were many songs that he did record and not release in his long career. I wish they would at least sell these songs online.

These two years of pandemic had contributed to slow things more... Maybe without this, the hiatus would had been 3 years or 2 only.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on February 16, 2022, 11:52:56 am
Guy already stated that producing lp records is delayed a lot and that would affect the release...

The problem of delayed vinyl production is now known at least since 2017 with added covid circumstances in spring 2020.
It could have been considered long ago when planning the album release.
That's not a real reason.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on February 16, 2022, 11:56:07 am
That was my point too :), that they know it is a long waiting time for LPs and need to have that in mind. If I understand correctly, it has been like this for a while now.
To release the album on CD, and of course online, seems like a better solution to me than to postpone the whole thing for months and months for those few people that buy a LP.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 16, 2022, 11:59:34 am
Guy already stated that producing lp records is delayed a lot and that would affect the release...

The problem of delayed vinyl production is now known for well over a year and could have been considered long ago when planning the album release. That's not a real reason.

So, if you don't believe Guy giving a reason for this delay, you might know the real reason for the delay. Share it with us, please. Enlight us.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 16, 2022, 12:08:40 pm
Unbelievable. awful news. A 5-year hiatus after DTRW. 5 years is a very long time for someone Mark's age. We know that there were many songs that he did record and not release in his long career. I wish they would at least sell these songs online.

These two years of pandemic had contributed to slow things more... Maybe without this, the hiatus would had been 3 years or 2 only.

Of course the pandemic slowed things down considerably.
Of course MK had to look after his health and his familiy.
Of course there were and are contact restrictions etc. affecting recording schedules.
But then you prioritize what you are doing and what is important to you!
Instead of wasting time on the silly DION contribution etc. etc.

You should check one MK song, titled "Slow Learner" and you will learn a lot about his priorities.

I think you are confusing his priorities with yours.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on February 16, 2022, 12:09:28 pm
Please, let's not fight  :wave It just seems odd, they are top pro people who knows all they need to, but still it takes "forever" to finish this album.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 16, 2022, 12:23:45 pm
Unbelievable. awful news. A 5-year hiatus after DTRW. 5 years is a very long time for someone Mark's age. We know that there were many songs that he did record and not release in his long career. I wish they would at least sell these songs online.

These two years of pandemic had contributed to slow things more... Maybe without this, the hiatus would had been 3 years or 2 only.

Of course the pandemic slowed things down considerably.
Of course MK had to look after his health and his familiy.
Of course there were and are contact restrictions etc. affecting recording schedules.
But then you prioritize what you are doing and what is important to you!
Instead of wasting time on the silly DION contribution etc. etc.

You should check one MK song, titled "Slow Learner" and you will learn a lot about his priorities.

I think you are confusing his priorities with yours.

Thank you for your kind notice.

We all want to have anything new from MK as soon as possible, but that's our wish. MK has his own rythm, he does things slowly, with no hurry, looks like it really doesn't matter his age for him, he keeps doing his things on his own, taking his time.

Also he doesn't mind to stop what he's doing for a day or two to colaborate with other artists that ask him to play in a song, or if any interesting project comes, he goes for it, like the Teenage Cancer Trust, or like the Local Hero musical, and he pause his own project, and delay it with no problem, because it doesn't matter to him, there is no difference between release his next record this year, or next, why should he? he does things as he likes, slow, with no hurry.

There is a lot we don't know, for example, the Local Hero musical in London and the recording/release of the cd of it is still waiting. The new representations in London would have some differences, according to Guy, from what we saw in Edinburgh, and that was stopped with the pandemic, so as soon as everyone would be ready, they would continue with it, so maybe is planned to work on it during the rest of 2022, maybe from May to December, with working on the new things, recording and the new representations, maybe that's the reason why he doesn't mind about delays in cd and vinyl pressing plants, as he already have things on his agenda we don't know.

Or maybe he has other projects we don't know waiting, so he doesn't mind about the pressing plants delays...

What is crystal clear is that he doesn't mind about us, and that we are so much looking forward for his next record.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 16, 2022, 04:20:22 pm
Unbelievable. awful news. A 5-year hiatus after DTRW. 5 years is a very long time for someone Mark's age. We know that there were many songs that he did record and not release in his long career. I wish they would at least sell these songs online.

These two years of pandemic had contributed to slow things more... Maybe without this, the hiatus would had been 3 years or 2 only.

Of course the pandemic slowed things down considerably.
Of course MK had to look after his health and his familiy.
Of course there were and are contact restrictions etc. affecting recording schedules.
But then you prioritize what you are doing and what is important to you!
Instead of wasting time on the silly DION contribution etc. etc.

You should check one MK song, titled "Slow Learner" and you will learn a lot about his priorities.

I think you are confusing his priorities with yours.

Thank you for your kind notice.

We all want to have anything new from MK as soon as possible, but that's our wish. MK has his own rythm, he does things slowly, with no hurry, looks like it really doesn't matter his age for him, he keeps doing his things on his own, taking his time.

Also he doesn't mind to stop what he's doing for a day or two to colaborate with other artists that ask him to play in a song, or if any interesting project comes, he goes for it, like the Teenage Cancer Trust, or like the Local Hero musical, and he pause his own project, and delay it with no problem, because it doesn't matter to him, there is no difference between release his next record this year, or next, why should he? he does things as he likes, slow, with no hurry.

There is a lot we don't know, for example, the Local Hero musical in London and the recording/release of the cd of it is still waiting. The new representations in London would have some differences, according to Guy, from what we saw in Edinburgh, and that was stopped with the pandemic, so as soon as everyone would be ready, they would continue with it, so maybe is planned to work on it during the rest of 2022, maybe from May to December, with working on the new things, recording and the new representations, maybe that's the reason why he doesn't mind about delays in cd and vinyl pressing plants, as he already have things on his agenda we don't know.

Or maybe he has other projects we don't know waiting, so he doesn't mind about the pressing plants delays...

What is crystal clear is that he doesn't mind about us, and that we are so much looking forward for his next record.

It's all true. And Slow Learner says more about MK than we think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 16, 2022, 04:29:22 pm
Longest gap in the solo years  :(
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 16, 2022, 04:47:00 pm
Exactly :(
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: straitsway75 on February 16, 2022, 07:47:34 pm
from MK Instagram, new album 2023
so long....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 16, 2022, 08:01:18 pm
Longest gap in the solo years  :(

Interesting. The gap between Brothers In Arms and On Every Street was 6 years, and it was after false Dire Straits break up, then between On Every Street and Golden Heart the gap was 5 years and it was after the true break up. You may think big gaps means big changes, but I think this time we only have the pandemic to blame. Without it, the album would be already out, or out this year at least, I'm sure.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on February 16, 2022, 08:16:31 pm
from MK Instagram, new album 2023
so long....
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaAkqUIswPN/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 16, 2022, 09:16:07 pm
But the official website of MK does not say 2023.

GF:

I have no idea but realistically, it will be 2023.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 17, 2022, 12:43:59 am
But the official website of MK does not say 2023.

GF:

I have no idea but realistically, it will be 2023.

Lol how they can't get one date to settle on? Content managers had to pull this info from somewhere, right? But I'm okay with it, with a year in waiting I'll hopefully push my Songbook project to 100 songs.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 17, 2022, 10:23:06 am
Yes, it's a long gap betwen DTRW and 2023 but we should "discount" two years in that gap because of all the difficulties of the pandemic, for more than a year they were not able to work normally, just MK and Guy, so they were delayed not by their fault, also because of flight and travel restrictions, they were not able to gather the band in the studio, so that delay is also not his fault.

Guy says they are having a four weeks band sessions, that means that probably at the beguining of March they will have the recordings finished with the band, then they will have to start comping, overdubbing and mixing, and that can take probably march and spring, as when they are doing that, maybe they notice some songs need something extra and have to call musicians to add this or that, my guess is that on May they should have it ready, and then they have to send the recordings to Portland, for mastering, and when they have it back, listen to it and decide if it's ok (they returned that mastering to Portland with DTRW as they didn't like it), that means maybe June/July they have the master ready to send to the pressings factories, that we know are very busy, not only that, but also they don't release MK records at any random date, they look for good dates to release, commercially speaking, so maybe they lost the September slot and probably the December one, maybe they have to wait until March 2023. These are the dates when usually most of the big records are released, why? I don't know, I know many records get released at any times, so that's a mistery to me.

And not only this, but also I suspect that they have other projects we don't know, well, we know one, the Local Hero musical in London and the recording of the cd of it. They were about to start the recordings when the pandemic arrived and everything had to shut down, so they need to record and have it finished on time to sell it on London theaters while it's represented in any theater. We don't know yet if this will happen this summer or autumm, or next year, but I'm sure is something they have in their agenda.

These are just my guess, I strongly recommend you to ask Guy for more information, as any of you tend not to believe this kind of explanations, that are the logic I learnt from all that Guy has been telling us for years. So please, ask him and get first hand explanations.

By the way, the thread should be changed to NEW FOR 2023.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 17, 2022, 01:45:23 pm
I know all this, but I'm still angry. Thank you jbaent for accuracy and precision.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 17, 2022, 01:55:22 pm
I know all this, but I'm still angry. Thank you jbaent for accuracy and precision.

Me too, well, not angry, but dissapointed, still had hopes that the record could be out this autumm or winter, but we waited really a long time, so, it's only a little more!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: vancip on February 17, 2022, 02:09:03 pm
But what if the reason is that this year he will publish something in the name of Dire Straits? :think

yep, the 40th anniversary Love Over Gold half speed master vinyl out in 1500 copies for Record Store Day UK  ;D

https://recordstoreday.co.uk/rsd-list/dire-straits/
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 17, 2022, 02:09:36 pm
I know all this, but I'm still angry. Thank you jbaent for accuracy and precision.

Me too, well, not angry, but dissapointed, still had hopes that the record could be out this autumm or winter, but we waited really a long time, so, it's only a little more!

So disappointed ... Good. We are waiting. Maybe new single at the end of the year.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on February 17, 2022, 02:52:28 pm
Guy spoke about new music in 2022 so i wonder what are the other projects are that they are working on this year. We wil got to have something this year :lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 17, 2022, 04:46:13 pm
Guy spoke about new music in 2022 so i wonder what are the other projects are that they are working on this year. We wil got to have something this year :lol

The Buddy Holly thing I guess.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: NicoMK on February 17, 2022, 05:15:09 pm
2023? Covid apart, is it safe to think of a tour, whether big or small (and most probably small) ? Mark will be 74 by then.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on February 17, 2022, 05:45:35 pm
Some of us think his touring days are over. Personal for me i hope he wil do a tour like EC. Take a look at his schedule for may/june and you know what i mean. MK can do the same for the US after a few weeks rest.. So about 4 weeks max in Europe and UK. Have a break and some weeks in the States.
On the last tour there he did about 95 concerts. With this it would be around 40 concerts max..
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on February 17, 2022, 05:58:49 pm
The pandemic is an excuse.  Many artists have released music during this period, films have been shot etc.  The world hasn't stopped spinning!  He even has the advantage of having his own studio and having more contacts in the business than most.  He could've done one on his own, with Guy or with a British band.  I guess I've said that before.

When it is released it will mean he has entered his 6th decade in music, from the 1970s to the 2020s.  Quite an achievement.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: JF on February 17, 2022, 06:01:08 pm
Longest gap in the solo years  :(

if you count by years yes, but if you count from date to date :

26th march 1996 (GH) to 26th september 2000 (STP) then it goes exactly 4,5 years between GH and STP

DTRW was released on 16th novembre 2018.
so if we count 4,5 years, it goes to 16th may 2023
maybe the next album will be released before  ;) :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 17, 2022, 06:03:37 pm
Longest gap in the solo years  :(

if you count by years yes, but if you count from date to date :

26th march 1996 (GH) to 26th september 2000 (STP) then it goes exactly 4,5 years between GH and STP

DTRW was released on 16th novembre 2018.
so if we count 4,5 years, it goes to 16th may 2023
maybe the next album will be released before  ;) :)

Excellent post, thank you  :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on February 17, 2022, 06:17:16 pm
Some of us think his touring days are over. Personal for me i hope he wil do a tour like EC. Take a look at his schedule for may/june and you know what i mean. MK can do the same for the US after a few weeks rest.. So about 4 weeks max in Europe and UK. Have a break and some weeks in the States.
On the last tour there he did about 95 concerts. With this it would be around 40 concerts max..
Perhaps this could be something for next year???
June 2023
5 Concerts in the UK and in countries like Norway Sweden Denmark Belgium Holland 1 concert.
2concerts in France Germany Italy and Spain…..
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 17, 2022, 06:46:00 pm
Guy spoke about new music in 2022 so i wonder what are the other projects are that they are working on this year. We wil got to have something this year :lol

The Buddy Holly thing I guess.

We are going to have news about the musical, soon.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 17, 2022, 06:50:36 pm
Longest gap in the solo years  :(

if you count by years yes, but if you count from date to date :

26th march 1996 (GH) to 26th september 2000 (STP) then it goes exactly 4,5 years between GH and STP

DTRW was released on 16th novembre 2018.
so if we count 4,5 years, it goes to 16th may 2023
maybe the next album will be released before  ;) :)

But in 1998, he released two film albums  ;)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 17, 2022, 08:34:39 pm
Longest gap in the solo years  :(

if you count by years yes, but if you count from date to date :

26th march 1996 (GH) to 26th september 2000 (STP) then it goes exactly 4,5 years between GH and STP

DTRW was released on 16th novembre 2018.
so if we count 4,5 years, it goes to 16th may 2023
maybe the next album will be released before  ;) :)

But in 1998, he released two film albums  ;)
Good point, good ones too.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: naif on February 17, 2022, 09:26:47 pm
Guy spoke about new music in 2022 so i wonder what are the other projects are that they are working on this year. We wil got to have something this year :lol

The Buddy Holly thing I guess.

Info, guess or mix??

We are going to have news about the musical, soon.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on February 17, 2022, 09:48:56 pm
Pictures from John McCusker instagram
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 17, 2022, 09:50:37 pm
Pictures from John McCusker instagram

Privateering, Part 2 :lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on February 17, 2022, 11:01:20 pm
Did Mark take the band photo?  ;D


Boy, the guys are getting old and grey now.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on February 17, 2022, 11:33:11 pm
I remembered the song Time In The Sun :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Pierre on February 18, 2022, 06:01:43 pm
What are they doing on the picture?
Singing?
listening to a demo?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on February 18, 2022, 07:04:54 pm
What are they doing on the picture?
Singing?
listening to a demo?

Looks to me like they are recording some backing vocals and Mark is showing the parts on the piano. Think yes, Time In The Sun, Privateering, also Remembrance Day (only the singers were a bit younger there, hehe).
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Pierre on February 18, 2022, 08:21:38 pm
What are they doing on the picture?
Singing?
listening to a demo?

Looks to me like they are recording some backing vocals and Mark is showing the parts on the piano. Think yes, Time In The Sun, Privateering, also Remembrance Day (only the singers were a bit younger there, hehe).

Alright thanks I remember the picture for time in the sun.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on February 18, 2022, 08:58:01 pm
I remembered the song Time In The Sun :)

Me, too!  :)
And I remember they had a lot of fun doing the backing vocals back than and also Mark was part of the group.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on February 19, 2022, 05:01:11 pm
I remembered the song Time In The Sun :)

Me, too!  :)
And I remember they had a lot of fun doing the backing vocals back than and also Mark was part of the group.

It seems to be a requirement to have plain black t shirts to be in the band too.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 07, 2022, 12:49:55 am
A few words from Richard Bennett:

I’ve just returned from a month in London recording loads of new music with Mark and the band. I have to admit being a little anxious about airports and planes to make the journey over and back. The sessions themselves had fairly tight protocol regarding the virus. We tested every other day…. no pubs or restaurants, the latter being as much of the album making process as the recording itself. Wasn’t sure how that was going to work but fantastic lunches and dinners were laid in as well as drinks and kegs of London Pride Ale directly from the brewery just a few blocks from the studio. The whole month was the best recording experience I’ve had in over 50 years of making records. It’s really a miracle we put so many songs in the can given the amount of time we spent laughing, drinking tea and cappuccinos, eating wonderful meals and more laughing. One could not call it work by any stretch Everyone to a man was so happy to be back in each other’s company and playing brilliant music together again as a band. As for me, I feel as if my lights have come back on after two years of a flat battery.


Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: knopflertom on March 07, 2022, 08:02:56 am
Wow sounds very promising  :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on March 07, 2022, 08:19:18 am
Wow sounds very promising  :)

Indeed!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on March 07, 2022, 08:57:03 am
What an uplifting message by Richard.
Thanks for sharing, Robson!  :thumbsup
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on March 07, 2022, 01:35:37 pm
Great vibes from Ricardo in his post there.  You really get the impression he's one of the nicest guys in the business; it's no wonder Mark likes having him around.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on March 07, 2022, 01:49:02 pm
Great vibes from Ricardo in his post there.  You really get the impression he's one of the nicest guys in the business; it's no wonder Mark likes having him around.

Absolutely. He also has AMAZING humility. That’s evident from the long interview someone did with him recently and posted it on here.
In some ways, his words have more value to me than Guy’s. We know Guy is first in the studio and then probably last out. He is the right hand man and the sidekick. He also has slightly less (probably) studio experience than Richard in terms of the variety of those who he’s worked with. Richard’s discography is just insane and so these words about MK really do speak volumes about both MK and RB.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 07, 2022, 02:22:36 pm
Great vibes from Ricardo in his post there.  You really get the impression he's one of the nicest guys in the business; it's no wonder Mark likes having him around.

Absolutely. He also has AMAZING humility. That’s evident from the long interview someone did with him recently and posted it on here.
In some ways, his words have more value to me than Guy’s. We know Guy is first in the studio and then probably last out. He is the right hand man and the sidekick. He also has slightly less (probably) studio experience than Richard in terms of the variety of those who he’s worked with. Richard’s discography is just insane and so these words about MK really do speak volumes about both MK and RB.

Not sure if you mean Guy or MK but I would say both have a lot less studio experience than Richard!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MagicElliott on March 07, 2022, 06:42:29 pm
I meant Guy.
Hence why I love both their diaries but sometimes I feel Richard’s words mean more as yes, he has FAR more studio experience
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on March 07, 2022, 07:48:27 pm
Wow sounds very promising  :)

He is just saying he had fun recording the album.

I don't see any clue that it will make the album better or worse.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 07, 2022, 08:02:30 pm
...recording loads of new music...

It’s really a miracle we put so many songs in the can...

Double album?


Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on March 07, 2022, 08:44:42 pm
After waiting sooo long for new music a double album would be just GREAT!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 07, 2022, 08:46:00 pm
After waiting sooo long for new music a double album would be just GREAT!

Exactly !  :thumbsup
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on March 07, 2022, 09:06:43 pm
After waiting sooo long for new music a double album would be just GREAT!

Quality over quantity for me please.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Kris-b on March 07, 2022, 09:26:52 pm
Maybe the fun they had made Mark wanting to spend more time with his fellow musicians and plan for some concerts!
That would be a dream!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 07, 2022, 10:06:19 pm
Maybe the fun they had made Mark wanting to spend more time with his fellow musicians and plan for some concerts!
That would be a dream!

That's my hope too.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on March 08, 2022, 01:10:22 am
After waiting sooo long for new music a double album would be just GREAT!

Quality over quantity for me please.


Totally. I know some fans would be happy to have 12 CDs of Mark reading the phone directory at half speed. I'm not one of them.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on March 08, 2022, 09:20:25 am
A double album would be great, Mark's songs are always quality. If I remember there was talk that Privateering could have been a triple album!! I suppose with the bonus tracks it's a 2 1/2 album.  I imagine Mark has a huge backlog of songs, as he must have written many over lockdown. He might have some he could give to other artists too.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 08, 2022, 10:59:56 am
A double album would be great, Mark's songs are always quality. If I remember there was talk that Privateering could have been a triple album!! I suppose with the bonus tracks it's a 2 1/2 album.  I imagine Mark has a huge backlog of songs, as he must have written many over lockdown. He might have some he could give to other artists too.

Or maybe he can release one record in 2023, and other later the same year, or next, we don't know if all songs recorded are for one record, or to have songs ready to release in a future.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on March 08, 2022, 11:48:05 am
Richard's impression can also deceive.
Normally they have more than just one recording session for an album. So this session was special and compressed.
Also we have to keep in mind that they recorded more than twice as much songs for Privateering than were later released.
As much as I would love a double album, it could just be a normal album with several bonus tracks for deluxe editions/boxsets and maybe one or two contributions for other artists or projects.

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 08, 2022, 12:20:01 pm
What I really hope is MK enjoyed being with them so much than he wants to play some gigs live with them in the future!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 08, 2022, 12:23:56 pm
And that is the best thought for the future.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Darling Pretty on March 08, 2022, 05:18:04 pm
What I really hope is MK enjoyed being with them so much than he wants to play some gigs live with them in the future!

I am sure you are right here.
I think the same, because this is a fact.
As Mark said in 2019. He might continue until he falls over
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 09, 2022, 10:24:24 am
After waiting sooo long for new music a double album would be just GREAT!

Quality over quantity for me please.

Most deffo 'quality over quantity' for Me too.....
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on March 09, 2022, 11:08:24 am
After waiting sooo long for new music a double album would be just GREAT!

Quality over quantity for me please.

Most deffo 'quality over quantity' for Me too.....

For me too!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 09, 2022, 11:35:00 am
I'll take everything that's going at this stage. Let's face facts, it's unlikely he's going to be making music for too much longer... :(
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 09, 2022, 11:46:37 am
I'll take everything that's going at this stage. Let's face facts, it's unlikely he's going to be making music for too much longer... :(

Yes, I agree with you. I think that there are at least one or two records more after this one, but I'm not sure if they will be of new recorded material, or from previously recorded songs, from this session or even before.

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on March 09, 2022, 12:09:24 pm
I am not sure I agree with that, I think there is more chance of new songs than new tours going forward, which is fine by me.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on March 09, 2022, 12:21:02 pm
...recording loads of new music...

It’s really a miracle we put so many songs in the can...

Double album?

Or a can?  What sort of player do we need for that?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2022, 09:40:49 pm
New album without brass section.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 17, 2022, 08:32:57 am
New album without brass section.

By now.

While they are mixing, further instruments can be added at last call.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 17, 2022, 01:01:32 pm
Yes. I didn't think about it, and it is possible.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 22, 2022, 04:45:06 pm
I'm angry. I don't need vinyl if CD gives me all the new songs. Album could be released this year but vinyl will delay the premiere.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 23, 2022, 10:28:03 am
I'm angry. I don't need vinyl if CD gives me all the new songs. Album could be released this year but vinyl will delay the premiere.

This is a decision from the record company, cd still sales, but the biggest amount of sales for record companies come from vinyl sales, so the record companies are going to give priority to vinyls, it doesn't matter the cd can be produced before,
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on March 23, 2022, 10:42:51 am
I'm angry. I don't need vinyl if CD gives me all the new songs. Album could be released this year but vinyl will delay the premiere.

This is a decision from the record company, cd still sales, but the biggest amount of sales for record companies come from vinyl sales, so the record companies are going to give priority to vinyls, it doesn't matter the cd can be produced before,

Who would have thought this is possible in the year 2022? I don't want vinyl, I don't want CDs. Give me a USB-C storage in tune with the album cover or Mark's guitars like live show USB. With hi-res audio, additional material, 4K video, photos and whatnot. We're not living in the stone age anymore, record companies, do you hear me?

How two niche and outdated mediums still be a priority in making albums? This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 23, 2022, 10:48:38 am
I'm angry. I don't need vinyl if CD gives me all the new songs. Album could be released this year but vinyl will delay the premiere.

This is a decision from the record company, cd still sales, but the biggest amount of sales for record companies come from vinyl sales, so the record companies are going to give priority to vinyls, it doesn't matter the cd can be produced before,

Who would have thought this is possible in the year 2022? I don't want vinyl, I don't want CDs. Give me a USB-C storage in tune with the album cover or Mark's guitars like live show USB. With hi-res audio, additional material, 4K video, photos and whatnot. We're not living in the stone age anymore, record companies, do you hear me?

How two niche and outdated mediums still be a priority in making albums? This is ridiculous.

People who buy digital files might be a small number in comparation, as usually those people doesn't care about physical things, so probably they don't even care about buying the digital files, but listen to them in places like Spotify that give little money to record companies, as it's something they can't touch, it has less value, in comparation with cds and vinyls, which are something that real music lovers still care about and you can touch, something that has a value that you can hold with your hands, with a cover, back cover, liner notes etc etc, so they get the best sales and the big money for record companies.

I have to confess that I buy the vinyls and the cds, I open them, read the credits etc, but in the end, I don't play them, well, I put the cd once in my computer and rip it into my hard disk, and I listen to that, or if I'm not in home, throught Amazon Music or Spotify.

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 23, 2022, 11:05:52 am
Some artists release the albums and then the vinyl comes a few months later.

I received my vinyl edition of the latest Sturgill Simpson album a couple of weeks ago. It was out on Spotify and CD in September I think.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on March 23, 2022, 11:07:50 am
People who buy digital files might be a small number in comparation, as usually those people doesn't care about physical things, so probably they don't even care about buying the digital files, but listen to them in places like Spotify that give little money to record companies, as it's something they can't touch, it has less value, in comparation with cds and vinyls, which are something that real music lovers still care about and you can touch, something that has a value that you can hold with your hands, with a cover, back cover, liner notes etc etc, so they get the best sales and the big money for record companies.

I have to confess that I buy the vinyls and the cds, I open them, read the credits etc, but in the end, I don't play them, well, I put the cd once in my computer and rip it into my hard disk, and I listen to that, or if I'm not in home, throught Amazon Music or Spotify.

Yeah... I still remember when The Beatles released their apple-shaped USB Memory Stick... It was like 15 years ago. Not only that, they did different versions (MONO and STEREO, personally, I prefer the mono version). And it was FLACs, not some kind of mp3s or something, it was done extremely well. Still has all the liner notes, great to put on the shelf, looks cool, easy to use.

How come something like this is still not the norm in 2022 baffles me. Music business must be controlled by very old people. I'd buy pieces like The Beatles Apple every time over CD.

I think what they love about CDs and vinyls is that it's extremely cheap to mass-produce it. Though I don't think that memory sticks are extremely expensive either... So it's a choice.

Not to offend vinyl lovers like Dusty, this medium certainly has its place in history and in the hearts of music lovers. I'm just trying to say that making it a priority is like still making guitar strings out of animal guts. Like I get this is old-school, but it's also 21st century, folks.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 23, 2022, 11:59:33 am
I'm not a vinyl only person, I listen to CDs and digital just as much. :)

I only buy new vinyl for new releases from artists I love as I assume they get more money out of it, otherwise I pick up cheap second hand stuff.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 23, 2022, 12:05:27 pm
People who buy digital files might be a small number in comparation, as usually those people doesn't care about physical things, so probably they don't even care about buying the digital files, but listen to them in places like Spotify that give little money to record companies, as it's something they can't touch, it has less value, in comparation with cds and vinyls, which are something that real music lovers still care about and you can touch, something that has a value that you can hold with your hands, with a cover, back cover, liner notes etc etc, so they get the best sales and the big money for record companies.

I have to confess that I buy the vinyls and the cds, I open them, read the credits etc, but in the end, I don't play them, well, I put the cd once in my computer and rip it into my hard disk, and I listen to that, or if I'm not in home, throught Amazon Music or Spotify.

Yeah... I still remember when The Beatles released their apple-shaped USB Memory Stick... It was like 15 years ago. Not only that, they did different versions (MONO and STEREO, personally, I prefer the mono version). And it was FLACs, not some kind of mp3s or something, it was done extremely well. Still has all the liner notes, great to put on the shelf, looks cool, easy to use.

How come something like this is still not the norm in 2022 baffles me. Music business must be controlled by very old people. I'd buy pieces like The Beatles Apple every time over CD.

I think what they love about CDs and vinyls is that it's extremely cheap to mass-produce it. Though I don't think that memory sticks are extremely expensive either... So it's a choice.

Not to offend vinyl lovers like Dusty, this medium certainly has its place in history and in the hearts of music lovers. I'm just trying to say that making it a priority is like still making guitar strings out of animal guts. Like I get this is old-school, but it's also 21st century, folks.

As a music fan, vinyl is something attached with my childhood so it has a feeling for me, and cds are the medium I bought all my stuff in my youth. When I think in buying music, I think in buying lps or cds, or both. Buying digital stuff that goes in my computer, or usbs... that's not music for me, yes, I'm old fashioned.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 23, 2022, 12:32:39 pm
If I'm getting digital stuff I might as well just steal it.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel after pouring money into the likes of The Beatles, Dylan etc for decades. They have had enough of my money for the same old shit! But new releases I will happily buy a physical product. :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 23, 2022, 12:43:57 pm
If I'm getting digital stuff I might as well just steal it.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel after pouring money into the likes of The Beatles, Dylan etc for decades. They have had enough of my money for the same old shit! But new releases I will happily buy a physical product. :)

I usually use digital stuff just to take a listen on certain records from certain artists, and if I like it, I buy it, if not, I simply forget about that.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on March 23, 2022, 01:31:09 pm
If I'm getting digital stuff I might as well just steal it.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel after pouring money into the likes of The Beatles, Dylan etc for decades. They have had enough of my money for the same old shit! But new releases I will happily buy a physical product. :)

I usually use digital stuff just to take a listen on certain records from certain artists, and if I like it, I buy it, if not, I simply forget about that.

I love buying hi-res versions of albums. I remember enjoying Tracker in HD, in 192 kHz, 24-bit audio and all.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 23, 2022, 03:03:31 pm
If I'm getting digital stuff I might as well just steal it.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel after pouring money into the likes of The Beatles, Dylan etc for decades. They have had enough of my money for the same old shit! But new releases I will happily buy a physical product. :)

I usually use digital stuff just to take a listen on certain records from certain artists, and if I like it, I buy it, if not, I simply forget about that.

I love buying hi-res versions of albums. I remember enjoying Tracker in HD, in 192 kHz, 24-bit audio and all.

I don't know if I can hear the difference with hi-rez. Mind you, I'm a lot older than you, and I've played in bands for 25 years!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on March 23, 2022, 03:12:44 pm
If I'm getting digital stuff I might as well just steal it.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel after pouring money into the likes of The Beatles, Dylan etc for decades. They have had enough of my money for the same old shit! But new releases I will happily buy a physical product. :)

I usually use digital stuff just to take a listen on certain records from certain artists, and if I like it, I buy it, if not, I simply forget about that.

I love buying hi-res versions of albums. I remember enjoying Tracker in HD, in 192 kHz, 24-bit audio and all.

I don't know if I can hear the difference with hi-rez. Mind you, I'm a lot older than you, and I've played in bands for 25 years!

I can't hear the difference either ;D

To me, hi-rez simply means "the best version of the album". If I can get it and listen to that without skipping songs and all (aka listening to albums), it makes for a pretty exquisite experience. Almost like enjoying vinyl, only in digital. It's like Spotify is fast-food music and hi-rez is a fine music restaurant.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 23, 2022, 05:57:25 pm
If I'm getting digital stuff I might as well just steal it.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel after pouring money into the likes of The Beatles, Dylan etc for decades. They have had enough of my money for the same old shit! But new releases I will happily buy a physical product. :)

I usually use digital stuff just to take a listen on certain records from certain artists, and if I like it, I buy it, if not, I simply forget about that.

I love buying hi-res versions of albums. I remember enjoying Tracker in HD, in 192 kHz, 24-bit audio and all.

I don't know if I can hear the difference with hi-rez. Mind you, I'm a lot older than you, and I've played in bands for 25 years!

I can't hear the difference either ;D

To me, hi-rez simply means "the best version of the album". If I can get it and listen to that without skipping songs and all (aka listening to albums), it makes for a pretty exquisite experience. Almost like enjoying vinyl, only in digital. It's like Spotify is fast-food music and hi-rez is a fine music restaurant.

OK, well in that case I would argue that the hi-rez files are likley in many cases to not be the "best" version.

To me, the mastering is much more important.

The loudness wars from the 2000s on have really squished the dynamics of a lot of albums. A 1985 CD of Brothers in Arms for example will sound much better than the 2005 remaster.

I personally have started collecting early CDs - it's fun to collect, they are cheap, and in may cases they sound better than subsequent remasters.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on March 23, 2022, 10:35:21 pm
If I'm getting digital stuff I might as well just steal it.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel after pouring money into the likes of The Beatles, Dylan etc for decades. They have had enough of my money for the same old shit! But new releases I will happily buy a physical product. :)

I usually use digital stuff just to take a listen on certain records from certain artists, and if I like it, I buy it, if not, I simply forget about that.

I love buying hi-res versions of albums. I remember enjoying Tracker in HD, in 192 kHz, 24-bit audio and all.

I don't know if I can hear the difference with hi-rez. Mind you, I'm a lot older than you, and I've played in bands for 25 years!

I can't hear the difference either ;D

To me, hi-rez simply means "the best version of the album". If I can get it and listen to that without skipping songs and all (aka listening to albums), it makes for a pretty exquisite experience. Almost like enjoying vinyl, only in digital. It's like Spotify is fast-food music and hi-rez is a fine music restaurant.


What is the purpose of high rez as a play back media ?

Sample rate allow to encode higher frequencies that are already outside of human hearing capabilities but if you want to play music for your dog - it is usefull.
Sample deeph allow you to encode higher dynamic so that when listening a very quiet part then a loud part can be encoded even louder for the sake of your hearing loss and neighbourhood peace.
Actually I don't know any existing CD that is using the full dynamic range of the media. Ravel's Bolero encoded dynamic should be topping at something like 60/70 db - try to play it at audible level from start and let it go to the end without lowering it with  the volume knob.

Of course using high rez for recording, mixing and mastering is usefull because you have to keep the best possible s/n ratio, but that is before the playback step.

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Tomcaster on March 24, 2022, 07:16:30 am
I fully agree with the loudness theory. It does not matter whether the music is high res or not if the dynamics are not good. There is a page https://dr.loudness-war.info on which you can check out dynamic ranges of albums. I have bought my CDs based on the inputs there and the results were always great

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 24, 2022, 07:27:16 am
I fully agree with the loudness theory. It does not matter whether the music is high res or not if the dynamics are not good. There is a page https://dr.loudness-war.info on which you can check out dynamic ranges of albums. I have bought my CDs based on the inputs there and the results were always great
I sent this to Guy a couple of months ago. MK got bad but is getting good again!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 24, 2022, 09:18:08 am
I'm angry. I don't need vinyl if CD gives me all the new songs. Album could be released this year but vinyl will delay the premiere.

Think there is more to worry about in the World than a little delay on MK releasing his album because of the Vinyl issue!!!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 24, 2022, 11:53:50 am
Of course. But using this logic, we have nothing to talk about in the forum.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on March 24, 2022, 12:34:36 pm
Of course. But using this logic, we have nothing to talk about in the forum.

Don't worry, we'll find something  ;D :lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on March 24, 2022, 12:44:32 pm
Of course. But using this logic, we have nothing to talk about in the forum.

Don't worry, we'll find something  ;D :lol

There is hope :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Klaus74 on March 24, 2022, 08:51:35 pm
I also prefer original-vinyls and original CDs, NOT CD-Rs.  8)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on April 13, 2022, 12:53:44 pm
GF:

there is a lot going on in the next few months but rest assured, it will be interesting.

Thank you jbaent :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on June 06, 2022, 09:30:24 am
GF:

there is a lot going on in the next few months but rest assured, it will be interesting.

Thank you jbaent :)

I wonder when we will hear something about those new exiting projects they are working on. 2023   :think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on June 09, 2022, 10:05:45 am
Guy today on the progress of the new album:

I can tell you that progress is slow due to other projects which have eaten in to our time.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on June 09, 2022, 01:01:27 pm
projects?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: vancip on June 09, 2022, 07:45:58 pm
projects?
a) Local Hero Chichester
b) Buddy Holly / Teenage Cancer Foundation
c) combinations of mics/amp/guitar not yet tested  ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on June 09, 2022, 07:56:18 pm
Local Hero is probably not a project:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on June 09, 2022, 08:15:12 pm
Local hero? Are they still working on that? They have been working n the musical for many years on and off….
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 10, 2022, 09:09:40 am
Local hero? Are they still working on that? They have been working n the musical for many years on and off….

YES

Before the pandemic they were working on changes for the London representations, that obviously they didn't finished as we were closed down during months, and the musical was canceled, so now that it's coming back to the Chichester Theatre Festival, they would start working again on those changes, and both MK and Guy would direct those changes and the rehearsals with the new actors. Actually Guy Fletcher is credited as music producer so he will be after everything before the representations, during them and after, as they would have to check if changes work, and if not, rework on them.

I think MK is going to be less involved, but probably would be working with Guy at least before the rehearsals and probably after the first week of the representations, as it is his creation.

And this doesn't means work on the musical will be done. They still want to bring it to London theaters, and with that, record the music score to be released so, work on the musical will still last for at least one more year, or maybe more.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 10, 2022, 09:10:06 am
projects?
a) Local Hero Chichester
b) Buddy Holly / Teenage Cancer Foundation
c) combinations of mics/amp/guitar not yet tested  ;D

Don't forget about Tea.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on June 10, 2022, 09:36:48 am
There is a Norwegian song, I don't remember the exact lyrics, but the man is in a traffic jam, and there are so many cars ovetaking him that he ends up going backwards, back home. I don't think MK deliberately is postponing his own projects, but that is the result. The interview for the Monteleone thing could take, I don't know, half a day, but probably more. I actually envy people with long deadlines. I work  in a shop, and my deadlines are "now", or "today".
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on June 10, 2022, 01:19:12 pm
Guy can not say anything about the other projects so we will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 10, 2022, 01:46:09 pm
Guy can not say anything about the other projects so we will just have to wait and see.

I just re-asked...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on June 10, 2022, 01:55:55 pm
I think this is something new that we don't know yet. Certainly not a Local Hero.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on June 12, 2022, 03:23:34 pm
Guy can not say anything about the other projects so we will just have to wait and see.

I just re-asked...
He skipped your question  :disbelief
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 13, 2022, 09:47:21 am
Guy can not say anything about the other projects so we will just have to wait and see.

I just re-asked...
He skipped your question  :disbelief

As he already told me in previous question he can't talk about it.

I knew I was kind of pushing it too far, lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on June 13, 2022, 07:12:23 pm
Guy is saying on his forum he is looking at Dolby Atmos mixes now.
Meaning  ??? ???
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 14, 2022, 10:08:29 am
Guy is saying on his forum he is looking at Dolby Atmos mixes now.
Meaning  ??? ???

Maybe for the MFN compilation?

Maybe for the DS or/and MK catalogue?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 14, 2022, 10:36:39 am
Is everything on Apple music not Atmos now or something?

Have to say it doesn't really interest me. The 5.1 of BiA won a Grammy but I listened to it once as a novelty.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 14, 2022, 10:43:26 am
Is everything on Apple music not Atmos now or something?

Have to say it doesn't really interest me. The 5.1 of BiA won a Grammy but I listened to it once as a novelty.

Almost everything is HD or ULTRAHD, some records are starting to be ATMOS now, little by little.

The thing is you need at least a soundbar that can play the atmos, and what I heard is pretty awesome, far better than the 5.1
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 14, 2022, 11:34:55 am
Atmos as I understand it is firing sound up in the air, there may be some soundbars that sort of do it but you need like a 7.1 setup or something I would say.

But I think they have also released some sort of Atmos thing on Apple that just works on normal headphones...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 14, 2022, 11:42:51 am
Atmos as I understand it is firing sound up in the air, there may be some soundbars that sort of do it but you need like a 7.1 setup or something I would say.

But I think they have also released some sort of Atmos thing on Apple that just works on normal headphones...

There are soundbars that play atmos without any other speakers. 7.1 speakers are other way to play it. Also some headphones can do the trick but that's the lowest way of atmos.

In other words, for a 100% experience you need the 7.1 speakers, the soundbar is pretty similar, and the headphones gives you a better sound than a stereo mix but obviously you loose the space experience of having the sound surrounding you through the room. That's what I understood from all what I read, and the experience I had with a soundbar in a music shop was like having musicians playing behind me, in front of me, at my right, left, up... quite an experience.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 14, 2022, 12:08:44 pm
I might consider, as my dvd player with 5.1 speakers looks like it's broken and I'm not going to be able to use them if I buy a bluray to repleace it, to buy a soundbar that can play atmos but I'm not sure how can I play digital files that you can buy through that bar... unless atmos can be released phisically in blurays or something...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on June 15, 2022, 12:18:14 am
Atmos is the next thing industry is trying to sell you music one more time.

This concept in itself is nice for (movie) theatre.





Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Klaus74 on June 17, 2022, 11:30:49 am
I prefer classic stereo, like in the olde days. I play my vintage and new vinyls on a High-End-Hifi-system, no special sound-gimmix like surround, 5.1 or any other thinks like that.  8)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on June 29, 2022, 08:42:21 am
Guy's forum:

"We recorded a stunning Harp player Shoána Davey last week on one of Mark’s new tunes."

I googled here with no results, but if you search for Seána Davey, here you have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlcabHaoxPI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w334BGqX3E0
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on June 29, 2022, 09:17:42 am
Very interesting  ;)

https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273192782b8e9a0117a406ac83f
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on June 29, 2022, 01:49:25 pm
And I imagine MK voice...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on June 29, 2022, 02:48:23 pm
I hope this is an indication of a return to more Celtic songs from Mark.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on June 29, 2022, 03:31:18 pm
I hope this is an indication of a return to more Celtic songs from Mark.

I love harp, it's one of my favourite instrument. It ALWAYS sounds magnificent, you simply can't make bad music with it. And it certainly screams folk!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd17zRAm3aE
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on June 29, 2022, 03:50:27 pm
Me too. For example, Loreena Mckennitt albums - beautiful.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on June 29, 2022, 05:03:34 pm
Thought it was that silly posh name for a mouth organ they used for a minute.  This time a proper one.  Nice.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on June 29, 2022, 06:23:53 pm
Me too. For example, Loreena Mckennitt albums - beautiful.

Her version of "She Moved Through The Fair" is beautiful.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on June 29, 2022, 06:29:01 pm
Me too. For example, Loreena Mckennitt albums - beautiful.

Her version of "She Moved Through The Fair" is beautiful.

It's true. Album "Elemental"
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Elin N on July 02, 2022, 05:50:38 pm
In theory, if they are going to play concerts in the UK next year, would they have booked the venue(s) by now? At least bigger venues? Have I asked about this before?  :lol I'm not expecting a tour, but I think both we and them would love some concerts in the London area.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 02, 2022, 07:33:33 pm
In theory, if they are going to play concerts in the UK next year, would they have booked the venue(s) by now? At least bigger venues? Have I asked about this before?  :lol I'm not expecting a tour, but I think both we and them would love some concerts in the London area.

If they know they are doing that, they should had booked venues already, specially since this year most of the bands are playing their rescheduled dates because of the pandemic, and any new tour would be next year, and it's going to be a very busy year.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 02, 2022, 09:34:29 pm
In theory, if they are going to play concerts in the UK next year, would they have booked the venue(s) by now? At least bigger venues? Have I asked about this before?  :lol I'm not expecting a tour, but I think both we and them would love some concerts in the London area.
I think they'll probably do a Gilmour-tour: London, Paris, Rome, Berlin and maybe Amsterdam. Certainly not more than 10 dates
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 02, 2022, 10:00:31 pm
Have you checked the last tour Gilmour did?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 02, 2022, 10:29:33 pm
Have you checked the last tour Gilmour did?
I meant the On an Island tour, back in 2006. He played something like 25 shows, I think.
Rattle That Lock tour expanded because he went to places like South America.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on July 04, 2022, 10:41:04 am
Me too. For example, Loreena Mckennitt albums - beautiful.

Her version of "She Moved Through The Fair" is beautiful.

Mike Oldfield has a lovely version of that track to, on his Celtic album, Voyager.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 04, 2022, 10:43:53 pm
Have you checked the last tour Gilmour did?
I meant the On an Island tour, back in 2006. He played something like 25 shows, I think.
Rattle That Lock tour expanded because he went to places like South America.
In 2006 Gilmour did 37 concerts in 3 months.
https://www.pinkfloydz.com/concerts-tours/david-gilmour-on-an-island-2006/on-an-island-tour-2006-press-release-photos/
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Jain[7] on July 08, 2022, 09:31:08 pm
Wow what a memory you shared! Thanks for sharing the link to Glamor 37 concerts.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 09, 2022, 03:43:26 pm
Some months ago I got a gossip from someone, who obviusly I can't mention, very close to MK and his people, and looks like MK is very determined that concerts are over, but his management and musicians, whenever they can, try to convince him, very carefully, about doing at least some gigs when the new record comes out, but looks like right now, there are very few chances that happens.

I truly hoped that, after gather with his band, recording the songs, he might changed his mind, but by now it didn't. I still hope that when the record comes out, he feels like playing some gigs and present those songs live, even a small number of gigs, but I'm kind of negative about it.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 09, 2022, 04:15:13 pm
Thanks for this information jbaent.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 09, 2022, 04:45:52 pm
Some months ago I got a gossip from someone, who obviusly I can't mention, very close to MK and his people, and looks like MK is very determined that concerts are over, but his management and musicians, whenever they can, try to convince him, very carefully, about doing at least some gigs when the new record comes out, but looks like right now, there are very few chances that happens.

I truly hoped that, after gather with his band, recording the songs, he might changed his mind, but by now it didn't. I still hope that when the record comes out, he feels like playing some gigs and present those songs live, even a small number of gigs, but I'm kind of negative about it.
Thanks for the info. In my view he just knows he can't do it. He aged terribly after the Tracker tour, and when the promo for DTRW began, he could barely walk. I remember watching MK at Imaginaction 2018, in Cesena, he was overweight and he was limping out of the stage at the end of the event. It was the same in Lisbon and Cordoba 2019. He certainly has back problems, and maybe something on his hip or legs, I don't know.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on July 09, 2022, 05:02:03 pm
Some months ago I got a gossip from someone, who obviusly I can't mention, very close to MK and his people, and looks like MK is very determined that concerts are over, but his management and musicians, whenever they can, try to convince him, very carefully, about doing at least some gigs when the new record comes out, but looks like right now, there are very few chances that happens.

I truly hoped that, after gather with his band, recording the songs, he might changed his mind, but by now it didn't. I still hope that when the record comes out, he feels like playing some gigs and present those songs live, even a small number of gigs, but I'm kind of negative about it.

Thanks for sharing this info with us, although it is very sad news.
I had secret hopes that in August we would hear some kind of tour announcement for 2023.
Even Issy posted last year "how I miss being down the road wherever"...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on July 09, 2022, 08:00:40 pm
Some months ago I got a gossip from someone, who obviusly I can't mention, very close to MK and his people, and looks like MK is very determined that concerts are over, but his management and musicians, whenever they can, try to convince him, very carefully, about doing at least some gigs when the new record comes out, but looks like right now, there are very few chances that happens.

I truly hoped that, after gather with his band, recording the songs, he might changed his mind, but by now it didn't. I still hope that when the record comes out, he feels like playing some gigs and present those songs live, even a small number of gigs, but I'm kind of negative about it.

I think that's both good and sad news at the same time.  No fan wants Mark performing again at a lower level than in 2019 and he isn't going to be better.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on July 09, 2022, 08:10:02 pm
Some months ago I got a gossip from someone, who obviusly I can't mention, very close to MK and his people, and looks like MK is very determined that concerts are over, but his management and musicians, whenever they can, try to convince him, very carefully, about doing at least some gigs when the new record comes out, but looks like right now, there are very few chances that happens.

I truly hoped that, after gather with his band, recording the songs, he might changed his mind, but by now it didn't. I still hope that when the record comes out, he feels like playing some gigs and present those songs live, even a small number of gigs, but I'm kind of negative about it.
Thanks for the info. In my view he just knows he can't do it. He aged terribly after the Tracker tour, and when the promo for DTRW began, he could barely walk. I remember watching MK at Imaginaction 2018, in Cesena, he was overweight and he was limping out of the stage at the end of the event. It was the same in Lisbon and Cordoba 2019. He certainly has back problems, and maybe something on his hip or legs, I don't know.

It's hard to admit, but I feel the same. A new series of concerts would most certainly damage his reputation. Additional musicians and some old and forgotten tunes saved the last tour, but we saw a different MK. Sure, he got a little rustier on each tour, but the difference between 2015 and 2019 was huge. It's not only his back, but his fingers resist as well. In 2015, he could still deliver with attitude; in 2019, he behaved so old, and I felt the need to play was gone. I'm afraid of whatever we may see in 2023. I actually hope his inner circle doesn't push too hard. I guess all these top-class musicians, who have known him for years, also see that the live act has ended.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Eddie Fox on July 09, 2022, 08:13:54 pm
Some months ago I got a gossip from someone, who obviusly I can't mention, very close to MK and his people, and looks like MK is very determined that concerts are over, but his management and musicians, whenever they can, try to convince him, very carefully, about doing at least some gigs when the new record comes out, but looks like right now, there are very few chances that happens.

I truly hoped that, after gather with his band, recording the songs, he might changed his mind, but by now it didn't. I still hope that when the record comes out, he feels like playing some gigs and present those songs live, even a small number of gigs, but I'm kind of negative about it.
Thanks for the info. In my view he just knows he can't do it. He aged terribly after the Tracker tour, and when the promo for DTRW began, he could barely walk. I remember watching MK at Imaginaction 2018, in Cesena, he was overweight and he was limping out of the stage at the end of the event. It was the same in Lisbon and Cordoba 2019. He certainly has back problems, and maybe something on his hip or legs, I don't know.

I’m afraid it’s worse than that, unfortunately. Being in pain and ageing do decrease your playing levels but it seems to go beyond that. Mark had perfect timing and impeccable rhythm chops but over the years he became more and more… late on some notes and even on entire licks.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 09, 2022, 09:30:25 pm
I remember being quite disappointed in 2013.

I don't think I liked 100 % of the setlist from any tour but this one is the  tour when for me the number of cons had become very challenging regarding the pros.

I remember  my first show wondering song after song why I was there.

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 10, 2022, 08:38:19 am
I feel very sad that I may not see MK play live again, but I know it's for the best.  There was a big deterioration from 2015 to 2019 and by 2023 I fear it would be much worse.   I'm so grateful that I was able to see him playing live so many times.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on July 10, 2022, 11:44:00 am
I still hope MK will do (a few) live performances to promote the new album.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: GIUMK on July 10, 2022, 11:58:46 am
Hi everyone!
I ask you a question.  If Mark will no longer perform concerts, does it mean that the new album will be a radio album so that he can sell a lot and compensate for the missed revenues from the concerts?  What do you think?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 10, 2022, 12:02:24 pm
Hi everyone!
I ask you a question.  If Mark will no longer perform concerts, does it mean that the new album will be a radio album so that he can sell a lot and compensate for the missed revenues from the concerts?  What do you think?

That's very possible, especially with Guy on board. He can produce an extremely radio-friendly album. But I hope that won't be the case.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on July 10, 2022, 12:08:36 pm
Hi everyone!
I ask you a question.  If Mark will no longer perform concerts, does it mean that the new album will be a radio album so that he can sell a lot and compensate for the missed revenues from the concerts?  What do you think?

Mark has never written or recorded music to be radio friendly.
I think it is completely out of the question that he will now do something to please or accommodate anyone.
So far there is no official statement neither from MK management nor from Guy that he will play no more concerts.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 10, 2022, 02:30:36 pm
Wasn't Making Movies a radio friendly album?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 10, 2022, 02:54:13 pm
Hi everyone!
I ask you a question.  If Mark will no longer perform concerts, does it mean that the new album will be a radio album so that he can sell a lot and compensate for the missed revenues from the concerts?  What do you think?

Mark has never written or recorded music to be radio friendly.
I think it is completely out of the question that he will now do something to please or accommodate anyone.
So far there is no official statement neither from MK management nor from Guy that he will play no more concerts.
There is no need for a statement. He told every audience during the DTRW tour that he was thinking of retiring. Although he kind of softened his position later on, the intention was still there.
I completely understand the people who want him to do more concerts, but do you really want to see Mark struggle to play almost every song? In 2019 he stopped playing the solo in the outro of Sailing to Philadelphia and decided to add the sax at the end to disguise it; he struggled to play the outro solo to R&J, and so after a few concerts he cut it down and ended it without playing the trademark last lick in the solo; My Bacon Roll got disguised with the other instruments, Bonaparte slowed down; forgot the lyrics to HFOH quite a few times; some versions of Speedway at Nazareth were not good and he butchered the intro to MFN at least twice, that I remember. Brothers in Arms solo simplified... The tour also had its good moments, of course, but the clues that he can't play live anymore are endless. And that's fine, he's almost 73. I'm just not sure we, as a community of fans, want to see more of this. I would rather that he would concentrate on doing what he still does better than anyone, which is to write songs and make records.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 10, 2022, 03:08:51 pm
Hi everyone!
I ask you a question.  If Mark will no longer perform concerts, does it mean that the new album will be a radio album so that he can sell a lot and compensate for the missed revenues from the concerts?  What do you think?

Mark has never written or recorded music to be radio friendly.
I think it is completely out of the question that he will now do something to please or accommodate anyone.
So far there is no official statement neither from MK management nor from Guy that he will play no more concerts.
There is no need for a statement. He told every audience during the DTRW tour that he was thinking of retiring. Although he kind of softened his position later on, the intention was still there.

He said in some interviews that, when it will come time to talk about a tour, he just won't talk about it. I think he understands that any statement will push his popularity even further (Mark Knopfler himself retires!), but I honestly don't think it will be a statement akin to Paul Simon's retirement from touring statement. But I think he will do occasional shows anyway, just not this 80-shows-in-a-row thing.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 10, 2022, 03:12:39 pm
Hi everyone!
I ask you a question.  If Mark will no longer perform concerts, does it mean that the new album will be a radio album so that he can sell a lot and compensate for the missed revenues from the concerts?  What do you think?

Mark has never written or recorded music to be radio friendly.
I think it is completely out of the question that he will now do something to please or accommodate anyone.
So far there is no official statement neither from MK management nor from Guy that he will play no more concerts.
There is no need for a statement. He told every audience during the DTRW tour that he was thinking of retiring. Although he kind of softened his position later on, the intention was still there.

He said in some interviews that, when it will come time to talk about a tour, he just won't talk about it. I think he understands that any statement will push his popularity even further (Mark Knopfler himself retires!), but I honestly don't think it will be a statement akin to Paul Simon's retirement from touring statement. But I think he will do occasional shows anyway, just not this 80-shows-in-a-row thing.
I'm a bit more pessimistic in that regard, Pavel. But we will see  :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 10, 2022, 03:37:02 pm
Wasn't Making Movies a radio friendly album?

Brothers In Arms more.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: GIUMK on July 10, 2022, 03:53:57 pm
I think it makes little sense to make an album, and barely manage to cover the production costs, just for the pleasure of doing it.  Especially the record company would object as it would struggle to support such a thing without having a decent income.  And Mark?  Where would you get the income from?  For this reason I believe that if he does not do any more live, he is almost forced to make a radio album.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 10, 2022, 05:09:37 pm
It is true that record sales probably won't cover the expenses of studio sessions. Despite being his studio, he pays for the studio time as any other clients, and his musicians are expensive, but he has money enough to do it just for pleasure.

But if he wants to recover the expenses and do some money he probably would need to do some live playing. Nowadays live concerts is from where musicians do money.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: wakeywakey on July 10, 2022, 05:55:47 pm
It is true that record sales probably won't cover the expenses of studio sessions. Despite being his studio, he pays for the studio time as any other clients, and his musicians are expensive, but he has money enough to do it just for pleasure.

But if he wants to recover the expenses and do some money he probably would need to do some live playing. Nowadays live concerts is from where musicians do money.

Not entirely true for legacy artists like Mark.
The royalties from radio,streaming,videos,tv and other artists covering his songs will make him hundreds of thousands per year.
The quality musicians he uses for his records would be a tax write off for a flop(DTRW)album.
Add in the profits from investments and he won't need to ask the next liar/Tory PM for a pension increase.
It'd be nice if there was a popular song on the next album but unless he plays Glastonbury next year it is likely to go the way of DTRW.
He's had his pop(ular) time so no need for him to do that again
Of course things could change if he duets with a pop artist,gets sampled or decides to tik tok himself wearing just his old headband but....... ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 10, 2022, 06:22:33 pm
Come on, we're trying to be positive and force him to play gigs, lol

Seriously, I think that, despite his playing is not as used to be, the middle part of last tour, where he played songs like "heart full of holes" etc was good enough to have him playing an entire show in an intimate way without too much guitar playing. He would do a perfect show that way, and I truly would love to see such a concert, with no guitar demanding songs .
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 10, 2022, 06:28:43 pm
Come on, we're trying to be positive and force him to play gigs, lol

Seriously, I think that, despite his playing is not as used to be, the middle part of last tour, where he played songs like "heart full of holes" etc was good enough to have him playing an entire show in an intimate way without too much guitar playing. He would do a perfect show that way, and I truly would love to see such a concert, with no guitar demanding songs .

That would do for me too!   :thumbsup   
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 10, 2022, 07:24:38 pm
I don’t think any artists of his age are going to have radio pop hits.

At least MK doesn’t have to pay for studio time.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 10, 2022, 07:46:48 pm
I don’t think any artists of his age are going to have radio pop hits.

At least MK doesn’t have to pay for studio time.

Yes he has.

It is his studio but he pays for his time there as any other artist. It's true that is money that goes from one pocket to the other, but is something he needs to do because when he's recording there are professionals working there with a salary and that salary needs an income to be paid

I used to work in a hotel who belonged to a company that used the hotel facilities for meetings with rooms and lunch and dinners for people at the meetings and the company paid for all the services like any other client because all the services they were using had people working with a salary, if you don't pay for those services, you are loosing money, if you pay for it, at least the hotel doesn't loose money, and in the end is money going from one pocket to the other, and if you use other facilities, you are giving the money to someone else, this way you give the money to yourself.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 10, 2022, 08:36:52 pm
Come on, we're trying to be positive and force him to play gigs, lol

Seriously, I think that, despite his playing is not as used to be, the middle part of last tour, where he played songs like "heart full of holes" etc was good enough to have him playing an entire show in an intimate way without too much guitar playing. He would do a perfect show that way, and I truly would love to see such a concert, with no guitar demanding songs .

Finally, a bit of optimism:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 10, 2022, 08:43:48 pm
I don’t think any artists of his age are going to have radio pop hits.

At least MK doesn’t have to pay for studio time.

I would object Paul McCartney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt0g4dWxEBo
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on July 11, 2022, 11:18:50 am
I think it makes little sense to make an album, and barely manage to cover the production costs, just for the pleasure of doing it.  Especially the record company would object as it would struggle to support such a thing without having a decent income.  And Mark?  Where would you get the income from?  For this reason I believe that if he does not do any more live, he is almost forced to make a radio album.

This is not always true, sorry to keep mentioning Mike Oldfield, but he is the answer to a lot of questions, he hasn't done a tour to promote an album since 1993 he has done a few one off concerts though, his last tour was 1999 for 2 months, but that was not to promote an album as such. He has his own studio so doesn't have to pay for studio time, but the record label (Same as Mark's) don't seem to mind him not touring. So, I can see Mark not doing any full blown tours anymore, but I can't see him not doing some live promotion for an album.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 11, 2022, 11:32:03 am
I don’t think any artists of his age are going to have radio pop hits.

At least MK doesn’t have to pay for studio time.

Yes he has.

It is his studio but he pays for his time there as any other artist. It's true that is money that goes from one pocket to the other, but is something he needs to do because when he's recording there are professionals working there with a salary and that salary needs an income to be paid

I used to work in a hotel who belonged to a company that used the hotel facilities for meetings with rooms and lunch and dinners for people at the meetings and the company paid for all the services like any other client because all the services they were using had people working with a salary, if you don't pay for those services, you are loosing money, if you pay for it, at least the hotel doesn't loose money, and in the end is money going from one pocket to the other, and if you use other facilities, you are giving the money to someone else, this way you give the money to yourself.

Maybe, really you or I have no idea about his arrangments. He maybe books it at quiet times to minimise losses.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 11, 2022, 02:07:17 pm
I don’t think any artists of his age are going to have radio pop hits.

At least MK doesn’t have to pay for studio time.

Yes he has.

It is his studio but he pays for his time there as any other artist. It's true that is money that goes from one pocket to the other, but is something he needs to do because when he's recording there are professionals working there with a salary and that salary needs an income to be paid

I used to work in a hotel who belonged to a company that used the hotel facilities for meetings with rooms and lunch and dinners for people at the meetings and the company paid for all the services like any other client because all the services they were using had people working with a salary, if you don't pay for those services, you are loosing money, if you pay for it, at least the hotel doesn't loose money, and in the end is money going from one pocket to the other, and if you use other facilities, you are giving the money to someone else, this way you give the money to yourself.

Maybe, really you or I have no idea about his arrangments. He maybe books it at quiet times to minimise losses.

It is a commercial studio, very famous and prestigious, all the time he's using it, other customers who would pay money can't use it, so paying for his own studio time is the logical thing to do. It's not like his house studio in Holland Park Mews, this is a commercial studio, and using it at quite times, yes, probably he would do that with Studio 2, which it is used mainly, as Guy says, to mix film music in all kind of surrounds for big films, but Studio 1 is always pretty busy and it would be more difficult to find that quiet times, specially since he has to hire also his musicians and coordinate all of that. However, even in quiet times, he has to pay for all the technicians and also Guy's salary, so he has to pay for his own studio time even on quiet times as he would be causing expenses, with no income, which would be bad for the Studio economy.

I don't know for sure about his arrangements, of course, but being a commercial studio, I'm pretty sure I'm right with this.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jabbathehut on July 11, 2022, 02:40:26 pm
The money is in touring even if he did just  5 nights at rah  he probably covers everything and makes a bit irrespective of album sales .Rough guesstimation 5000 tickets a night at average of £100  is £2.5 million .
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 11, 2022, 05:02:21 pm
The money is in touring even if he did just  5 nights at rah  he probably covers everything and makes a bit irrespective of album sales .Rough guesstimation 5000 tickets a night at average of £100  is £2.5 million .

Then you have to pay the rent of the venue and the salary of all musicians and technicians.

I guess they still would make one million, maybe less.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 11, 2022, 05:44:23 pm
Come on, we're trying to be positive and force him to play gigs, lol

Seriously, I think that, despite his playing is not as used to be, the middle part of last tour, where he played songs like "heart full of holes" etc was good enough to have him playing an entire show in an intimate way without too much guitar playing. He would do a perfect show that way, and I truly would love to see such a concert, with no guitar demanding songs .

He should tour UK and Europe in a way they did the showcases about 15 years ago.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Eddie Fox on July 11, 2022, 06:41:41 pm
I think it makes little sense to make an album, and barely manage to cover the production costs, just for the pleasure of doing it.  Especially the record company would object as it would struggle to support such a thing without having a decent income.  And Mark?  Where would you get the income from?  For this reason I believe that if he does not do any more live, he is almost forced to make a radio album.

I don’t think Mark has financial concerns at this stage of his life… yes, just for the pleasure will do.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MaxG on July 11, 2022, 06:45:48 pm
Without speculating on his diminishing physical abilities, its sad realising that he has aged, but this is reality. There has to come a point whereby you just not putting out what you feel you want to or should be, perhaps he realises this. I know a lot of others carry on into their late 70s and even 80s but its not a benchmark for the industry, its a personal thing and everyone ages differently. You also have to realise MK has extremely high standards and always had exemplary guitar and musical skills, he is also the main focus of the show so this is much harder to maintain or mask over any cracks in your playing than if you in the Rolling Stones for example, they older but as each does only one specific instrument so its spread out, probably also less technically/physically difficult and therefore easier I would imagine to carry any weaknesses appearing.

I would be happy if he doesn't feel capable anymore and just puts out a few more albums. I am hopeful however there will be some live promo. work for the new album which is not to demanding like appearing on talk/tv shows, radio work etc. where he can perhaps do a few songs live.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 11, 2022, 09:09:44 pm
My view on the question is : Mark performing a club gig residency in London playing stuff he's able to  with local musicians. Low profile, low effort, low cost, low everything except admission fees of course.

But even this seems to be out of his scope.

More probably hiring the usual promo band, 5 european tv or radio apparence performing one to three tracks max and that will be all.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 11, 2022, 09:39:31 pm
I hope for a few showcases like the ones they did about 10 years ago...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 11, 2022, 10:16:29 pm
My opinion on MK showcases : they sucks.

When not playing with his touring band there is always something not right to my ears.

Baloney Again performing live on french Canal+  is an exception, just him and Guy.



Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 11, 2022, 10:27:26 pm
My opinion on MK showcases : they sucks.

When not playing with his touring band there is always something not right to my ears.

Baloney Again performing live on french Canal+  is an exception, just him and Guy.

To each their own... I sometimes love Mark's local British band more than his usual mastodons band. I think he generally gains something from this raw, stripped-down outfit. For the most part, his regular musicians are complete overkill for his music anyway. You don't need to have 60 years of recording experience to play 3 chords rhythm in "Donegan's Gone", you know!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 11, 2022, 10:48:52 pm
I had no fun listening "Donegan's Gone" even with his 2005 line up ;D

Postcards from Paraguay in 2008 was just fab, but was not as good in the later tours.

I Dug Up A Diamond in 2006 is in my top 5 of killer songs performed live.



Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 11, 2022, 11:03:17 pm
I had no fun listening "Donegan's Gone" even with his 2005 line up ;D

Postcards from Paraguay in 2008 was just fab, but was not as good in the later tours.

I Dug Up A Diamond in 2006 is in my top 5 of killer songs performed live.

Yes, and it's a good point. Even having top musicians in the world it's not a guarantee of having a great performance. Mark probably thinks it is though.

But I think the lack of official material is also to blame. Personally, I judge nearly all recent (from 2010) recordings from concert USB sticks and the quality of those... Well, sometimes I even wish there were no such recordings at all. Having a band like this and barely recording proper live albums is beyond any understanding.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 12, 2022, 12:42:42 am
In my opinion Mark wasn't interested even by Alchemy.
It was for me sort a contractual live album asked by the record company.




Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on July 12, 2022, 08:23:26 am
I think the point is the 96's et al really enjoy Mark's music, otherwise they wouldn't keep playing with him both live and in the studio, there is plenty of work for them elsewhere. Mark can choose almost any musician he wants to but he choose them, and they have had nothing but praise to say about Mark. It will be interesting though, if he chooses to stop touring does that mean the length between albums will be shorter? maybe more film score work? This is him moving into a new phase of his career.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 12, 2022, 09:10:59 am
In my opinion Mark wasn't interested even by Alchemy.
It was for me sort a contractual live album asked by the record company.

I think you can say that about every Mark's live performance. Even in interviews, you can clearly see how he would want to be somewhere else instead of recording this interview. Good for him, probably, but not for us.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 12, 2022, 09:17:52 am
I think the point is the 96's et al really enjoy Mark's music, otherwise they wouldn't keep playing with him both live and in the studio, there is plenty of work for them elsewhere. Mark can choose almost any musician he wants to but he choose them, and they have had nothing but praise to say about Mark. It will be interesting though, if he chooses to stop touring does that mean the length between albums will be shorter? maybe more film score work? This is him moving into a new phase of his career.

Something is telling me he's gonna try touring again. Health problems and the absence of voice or deteriorating voice never stopped some musicians from touring. Brian Wilson is still touring barely able to play and sing something. The general audience would not care, as long as the man is on the stage doing stuff.

I think we'll see where it's going with the new album, which takes a lot of time to make it seems. But with Mark, you quickly learn to wait a lot.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 12, 2022, 01:18:34 pm
I think the point is the 96's et al really enjoy Mark's music, otherwise they wouldn't keep playing with him both live and in the studio, there is plenty of work for them elsewhere. Mark can choose almost any musician he wants to but he choose them, and they have had nothing but praise to say about Mark. It will be interesting though, if he chooses to stop touring does that mean the length between albums will be shorter? maybe more film score work? This is him moving into a new phase of his career.

I like this idea very much:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on July 12, 2022, 01:22:26 pm


I completely understand the people who want him to do more concerts, but do you really want to see Mark struggle to play almost every song? In 2019 he stopped playing the solo in the outro of Sailing to Philadelphia and decided to add the sax at the end to disguise it; he struggled to play the outro solo to R&J, and so after a few concerts he cut it down and ended it without playing the trademark last lick in the solo; My Bacon Roll got disguised with the other instruments, Bonaparte slowed down; forgot the lyrics to HFOH quite a few times; some versions of Speedway at Nazareth were not good and he butchered the intro to MFN at least twice, that I remember. Brothers in Arms solo simplified... The tour also had its good moments, of course, but the clues that he can't play live anymore are endless. And that's fine, he's almost 73. I'm just not sure we, as a community of fans, want to see more of this. I would rather that he would concentrate on doing what he still does better than anyone, which is to write songs and make records.
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 :clap :clap

OES didn't sound so good either and Once Upon a Time was a wasted opportunity with exchanges lasting about 5 seconds each.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 12, 2022, 08:30:31 pm
Without speculating on his diminishing physical abilities, its sad realising that he has aged, but this is reality. There has to come a point whereby you just not putting out what you feel you want to or should be, perhaps he realises this. I know a lot of others carry on into their late 70s and even 80s but its not a benchmark for the industry, its a personal thing and everyone ages differently. You also have to realise MK has extremely high standards and always had exemplary guitar and musical skills, he is also the main focus of the show so this is much harder to maintain or mask over any cracks in your playing than if you in the Rolling Stones for example, they older but as each does only one specific instrument so its spread out, probably also less technically/physically difficult and therefore easier I would imagine to carry any weaknesses appearing.

I would be happy if he doesn't feel capable anymore and just puts out a few more albums. I am hopeful however there will be some live promo. work for the new album which is not to demanding like appearing on talk/tv shows, radio work etc. where he can perhaps do a few songs live.
Apparently the Stones also use backing tracks to beef up the sound…
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 12, 2022, 08:31:37 pm
We expect to much perhaps? What if he will just do some interviews with the new album and then stay off radar untill the next one is finished.  :think
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 12, 2022, 09:09:47 pm
We expect to much perhaps? What if he will just do some interviews with the new album and then stay off radar untill the next one is finished.  :think

I think we ALWAYS expect too much from Mark :lol Yes, I hope for more non-tour activities from MK, that can include a plethora of things. He can earn money not only by going on tour again. Putting more effort into albums, for instance.

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of shows anyway, I'm happy with the 3 MK shows I attended. I think, honestly, Mark toured too much in his life, maybe he just loves to be away from his family and write alone, who knows.

I never understood that pull towards giant tours, especially when it's so inconsistent with 10 shows in one country and 1 in other. Man, at least cover more of the world in your world tour since it's so big anyway.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 12, 2022, 09:18:14 pm
Mark repeatedly said in various interviews that he loves concerts.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 12, 2022, 09:40:04 pm
Mark repeatedly said in various interviews that he loves concerts.

Without doubt.

The emotion on Mark's face in Barcelona said it all.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 12, 2022, 09:45:13 pm
I think in every city, but I have to search for Barcelona.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 12, 2022, 09:48:03 pm
Mark repeatedly said in various interviews that he loves concerts.

Without doubt.

The emotion on Mark's face in Barcelona said it all.

I think there are a few people on Earth who would not get emotional when so many people in so many places cheer for you and pay 100-500 dollars to see you.

I meant that he spent so much time touring, that he doesn't need to prove anything at this point. What would drastically change if the Wherever tour was 25 shows instead of 80? Mark would have more time, he would be more fresh and healthy. Tickets might be more expensive, but I think if any decent ticket starts at $100, any increase in price would be negligible.

I'll never ever understand this long tour thing. Especially from a man who said that "DS was too big" and always brags about many shows in his tours and how "young musicians today would never tour with 80 shows". Yeah, right, but everybody pays to play, Mark included!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: skydiver on July 12, 2022, 10:14:22 pm
I think what makes/made him play more than just 25 shows besides enjoying playing live is that he knows deep within himself how much it means for so many to experience him live. He touches people with his music and this is even more intense when seeing him perfom live.
Thank God he did it so many times for so many years in so many places for so many people.
I've seen people weeping with joy at almost every show I went.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Vesper on July 12, 2022, 10:50:01 pm
I think what makes/made him play more than just 25 shows besides enjoying playing live is that he knows deep within himself how much it means for so many to experience him live. He touches people with his music and this is even more intense when seeing him perfom live.
Thank God he did it so many times for so many years in so many places for so many people.
I've seen people weeping with joy at almost every show I went.

Now this is a great post!
Totally agree with you
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 12, 2022, 11:03:32 pm
Mark repeatedly said in various interviews that he loves concerts.

Without doubt.

The emotion on Mark's face in Barcelona said it all.

I think there are a few people on Earth who would not get emotional when so many people in so many places cheer for you and pay 100-500 dollars to see you.

I meant that he spent so much time touring, that he doesn't need to prove anything at this point. What would drastically change if the Wherever tour was 25 shows instead of 80? Mark would have more time, he would be more fresh and healthy. Tickets might be more expensive, but I think if any decent ticket starts at $100, any increase in price would be negligible.

I'll never ever understand this long tour thing. Especially from a man who said that "DS was too big" and always brags about many shows in his tours and how "young musicians today would never tour with 80 shows". Yeah, right, but everybody pays to play, Mark included!
It's very easy to understand: because musicians love playing live, and it's a way to get a lot of income. That's why almost every big band/artist does it.
If I were a professional musician at my peak I would do 1-year long tours, no problem.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 12, 2022, 11:20:21 pm
I think what makes/made him play more than just 25 shows besides enjoying playing live is that he knows deep within himself how much it means for so many to experience him live. He touches people with his music and this is even more intense when seeing him perfom live.
Thank God he did it so many times for so many years in so many places for so many people.
I've seen people weeping with joy at almost every show I went.

Now this is a great post!
Totally agree with you

Beautiful words.
Exactly. Me too
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 13, 2022, 07:31:34 am
I think what makes/made him play more than just 25 shows besides enjoying playing live is that he knows deep within himself how much it means for so many to experience him live. He touches people with his music and this is even more intense when seeing him perfom live.
Thank God he did it so many times for so many years in so many places for so many people.
I've seen people weeping with joy at almost every show I went.

Now this is a great post!
Totally agree with you

Beautiful words.
Exactly. Me too

I agree!    :thumbsup
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 13, 2022, 09:59:52 am
He even wrote a song about how much he loves touring. I think he liked leading the whole travelling circus, crew and all.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 13, 2022, 12:03:16 pm
He even wrote a song about how much he loves touring. I think he liked leading the whole travelling circus, crew and all.

I understand your excitement guys, though I'm an ultra-realist, and touring is also a way to make money. It would be great if Mark's shows were more varied, especially given the quality of musicians who can play virtually anything on their instruments.

The last 2 or 3 tours were like Groundhog Day, where you can't even tell what's different, including shirts and all, jokes, countries visited, etc. The setlist problem will continue to be one of the worst Knopflergates in history.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 13, 2022, 01:08:04 pm
He even wrote a song about how much he loves touring. I think he liked leading the whole travelling circus, crew and all.

Rollin' on?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 13, 2022, 01:27:59 pm
He even wrote a song about how much he loves touring. I think he liked leading the whole travelling circus, crew and all.

Rollin' on?

More like Privateering.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 13, 2022, 01:34:28 pm
It'true :thumbsup
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Eddie Fox on July 13, 2022, 07:28:21 pm
I’m sure Mark loves playing live but maybe he knows his best days are way behind him and doesn’t want to damage his legacy. Just for the record I’d pay big dollars to see him even if he doesn’t play any solos at all but in the end it’s up to him whether to expose himself or not.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 17, 2022, 11:09:42 am
What is it that other great guitarplayers like EC Brian May David Gilmour are still able to play good and fast solo's in their 70's and MK is not.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 17, 2022, 03:45:09 pm
What is it that other great guitarplayers like EC Brian May David Gilmour are still able to play good and fast solo's in their 70's and MK is not.

I can't talk about May, but Clapton and Gilmour on their last tours are playing with plenty of mistakes here and there. I witnessed it.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 17, 2022, 04:11:16 pm
What is it that other great guitarplayers like EC Brian May David Gilmour are still able to play good and fast solo's in their 70's and MK is not.

I can't talk about May, but Clapton and Gilmour on their last tours are playing with plenty of mistakes here and there. I witnessed it.

Exactly! Nobody is perfect at concerts.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 17, 2022, 05:27:43 pm
What is it that other great guitarplayers like EC Brian May David Gilmour are still able to play good and fast solo's in their 70's and MK is not.

I can't talk about May, but Clapton and Gilmour on their last tours are playing with plenty of mistakes here and there. I witnessed it.
True,.but they don't use a brass section to fil up some solo's who were normally played by guitar... or am i totally wrong here.....?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 17, 2022, 06:29:53 pm
What is it that other great guitarplayers like EC Brian May David Gilmour are still able to play good and fast solo's in their 70's and MK is not.

I can't talk about May, but Clapton and Gilmour on their last tours are playing with plenty of mistakes here and there. I witnessed it.
True,.but they don't use a brass section to fil up some solo's who were normally played by guitar... or am i totally wrong here.....?

No, they rather show their mistakes and show how age are they really.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Knopflerfan on July 17, 2022, 10:56:38 pm
What is it that other great guitarplayers like EC Brian May David Gilmour are still able to play good and fast solo's in their 70's and MK is not.

I can't talk about May, but Clapton and Gilmour on their last tours are playing with plenty of mistakes here and there. I witnessed it.

With regards David Gilmour he more than makes up for his slight mistakes!
Love the unrehearsed 'On the turning away' which he played in Venice on the 11/08/2006!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 17, 2022, 11:12:56 pm
What is it that other great guitarplayers like EC Brian May David Gilmour are still able to play good and fast solo's in their 70's and MK is not.

I can't talk about May, but Clapton and Gilmour on their last tours are playing with plenty of mistakes here and there. I witnessed it.

With regards David Gilmour he more than makes up for his slight mistakes!
Love the unrehearsed 'On the turning away' which he played in Venice on the 11/08/2006!

To be frank, it's easier to make mistakes when playing with fingers whereas May and David play with a coin and a pick respectively. Fingerpicking is a pretty demanding thing on the right hand, and a lot of people struggle to play with fingers when they get old. Starting to get artificial fingernails, and switching to nylon strings (like Chet Atkins), so it's not that easy.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 18, 2022, 12:27:47 am
I witnessed Albert Lee (then 75 years old) opening for Mark in St Julien. He sounded 20 years younger than Mark.









Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 18, 2022, 10:08:34 am
Pointless comparing people. Maybe MK has arthritis and the others don't.

Also, did Gilmour ever play fast?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on July 18, 2022, 10:24:44 am
I've said it before, it's clear there is a health issue with Mark, could be any manor of things, but playing for as long as he has, you don't just loose the ability because of age.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: knopflertom on July 18, 2022, 02:20:53 pm
Pointless comparing people. Maybe MK has arthritis and the others don't.

Also, did Gilmour ever play fast?

I have read somewhere that Eric also suffers from arthritis. But his playing is still good.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2022, 12:08:21 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfowi3xvc6k

Paul Simon, 80, with decent playing and singing. Not how he used to, of course, but damn! Can you imagine MK at 80 doing solo guitar stuff?
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 02:15:32 am
Mark has such a rich repertoire that he doesn't have to play complicated solos. If only he wanted to endlessly he could choose calmer songs.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Pottel on July 28, 2022, 07:38:10 am
"new" song released on the streaming platforms. remember back in the day, that got cancelled last minute from DTRW?
well it is now available as a single with don't suck me in and sky and water..
https://open.spotify.com/album/3Xg91n7GBrQnv1zXNzR3vB?si=RiTQmR7TQDG7kFpWiw3i7Q
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 08:41:53 am
Back in the day thread:

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=6358.60
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 10:33:17 am
Paul Simon has always been one of my favourite guitar players.

Very underrated because he doesn't play flashy solos on electric.

MK could still do a full show of these type of songs I would say, it's the widdly bits that are problematic...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 28, 2022, 11:08:28 am
Paul Simon has always been one of my favourite guitar players.

Very underrated because he doesn't play flashy solos on electric.

MK could still do a full show of these type of songs I would say, it's the widdly bits that are problematic...

I remember at Edinburgh Playhouse in 2005 MK playing some songs seated and they were really beautiful, especially "Back To Tupelo".   I enjoyed the seated part of the DTRW show in 2019 too.    I would love him to do a full show with similar types of songs.

 I'm sure the twiddly bits could be problematic too by the time he reaches 80!   ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 11:11:49 am
Paul Simon has always been one of my favourite guitar players.

Very underrated because he doesn't play flashy solos on electric.

MK could still do a full show of these type of songs I would say, it's the widdly bits that are problematic...

I remember at Edinburgh Playhouse in 2005 MK playing some songs seated and they were really beautiful, especially "Back To Tupelo".   I enjoyed the seated part of the DTRW show in 2019 too.    I would love him to do a full show with similar types of songs.

 I'm sure the twiddly bits could be problematic too by the time he reaches 80!   ;D

I remember at Boothbay there was some kind of delay with the other musicians and MK was ready to do a full solo show. That would have been great. We've seen little bits and pieces over the years, Marbletown, Secondary Waltz, Sailing to Philadelphia. I'd love to see a full show like that.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2022, 12:37:40 pm
Paul Simon has always been one of my favourite guitar players.

Very underrated because he doesn't play flashy solos on electric.

MK could still do a full show of these type of songs I would say, it's the widdly bits that are problematic...

I remember at Edinburgh Playhouse in 2005 MK playing some songs seated and they were really beautiful, especially "Back To Tupelo".   I enjoyed the seated part of the DTRW show in 2019 too.    I would love him to do a full show with similar types of songs.

 I'm sure the twiddly bits could be problematic too by the time he reaches 80!   ;D

I remember at Boothbay there was some kind of delay with the other musicians and MK was ready to do a full solo show. That would have been great. We've seen little bits and pieces over the years, Marbletown, Secondary Waltz, Sailing to Philadelphia. I'd love to see a full show like that.

Oh, that would be nice if MK would pull the trigger on a solo show. I don't know why he's so insecure about it since every time he performs something solo he absolutely kills it! Sonny Liston on acoustic guitar is a masterpiece, Privateering from the album's press kit was great, and little bits in Tracker interview.

I guess he feels better by shielding himself by using as many good musicians as possible. But it's a real pity we have so little of MK solo stuff.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 12:47:00 pm
Even MK with GF as a safety net...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on July 28, 2022, 12:53:56 pm
I actually think Mark has been worse at playing the slower solos lately.  R&J electric solo was shocking in 2019.  He seemed to concentrate really hard on it, shortened it and still manage to mess it up the majority of the time.  I think heeds solos that aren't fast but that have enough pace so that his fingers are kept moving.  Then again I don't think he should do another show at all and the 2019 ones are a painful watch/listen.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 01:43:41 pm
I loved all of the 2019 shows i attended..
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 01:48:59 pm
Me too :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 28, 2022, 01:56:00 pm
I actually think Mark has been worse at playing the slower solos lately.  R&J electric solo was shocking in 2019.  He seemed to concentrate really hard on it, shortened it and still manage to mess it up the majority of the time.  I think heeds solos that aren't fast but that have enough pace so that his fingers are kept moving.  Then again I don't think he should do another show at all and the 2019 ones are a painful watch/listen.

I enjoyed all of the shows I attended.  R&J was great at Leeds and Verona. :)   
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2022, 02:01:35 pm
I actually think Mark has been worse at playing the slower solos lately.  R&J electric solo was shocking in 2019.  He seemed to concentrate really hard on it, shortened it and still manage to mess it up the majority of the time.  I think heeds solos that aren't fast but that have enough pace so that his fingers are kept moving.  Then again I don't think he should do another show at all and the 2019 ones are a painful watch/listen.

I enjoyed all of the shows I attended.  R&J was great at Leeds and Verona. :)

But DMG is talking about his playing condition, not about enjoying the show. I also enjoyed the show I attended, though I can see through my rose-colored glasses and get worried about MK's condition. Playing guitar in front of the public seems to really put a lot of stress on him these days, hopefully, he's gained more confidence in playing since 2019. But his voice has also seen better days... Anyway, it's easy to be hard on aging MK, let's just hope he's better.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 02:09:36 pm
Ofcourse he is ageing, but it was far from a painfull watch/listen..  At least for me
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 28, 2022, 02:11:02 pm
I actually think Mark has been worse at playing the slower solos lately.  R&J electric solo was shocking in 2019.  He seemed to concentrate really hard on it, shortened it and still manage to mess it up the majority of the time.  I think heeds solos that aren't fast but that have enough pace so that his fingers are kept moving.  Then again I don't think he should do another show at all and the 2019 ones are a painful watch/listen.

I enjoyed all of the shows I attended.  R&J was great at Leeds and Verona. :)

But DMG is talking about his playing condition, not about enjoying the show. I also enjoyed the show I attended, though I can see through my rose-colored glasses and get worried about MK's condition. Playing guitar in front of the public seems to really put a lot of stress on him these days, hopefully, he's gained more confidence in playing since 2019. But his voice has also seen better days... Anyway, it's easy to be hard on aging MK, let's just hope he's better.

Whatever his playing condition, I still enjoy listening to the shows I attended and that's all that matters to me and it's certainly not painful to listen to them.   Some other performances would obviously vary from show to show.   
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 02:22:33 pm
Extactly!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Banjo99uk on July 28, 2022, 03:22:08 pm
Once upon a time at the O2 in London was sublime and I still regularly listen to it.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 28, 2022, 03:30:45 pm
Some weeks ago I played one of the 2019 recordings and realized it was a great show, but leaded most of the time from his band. I had the impression of being listening to an unnamed band who had with them MK singing and playing guitar occasionally... Most of the times are his musicians the ones that carry the song from start to finish, with Mk popping in and out. I had the impression that in some songs, you could take out MK and it would had sounded prett similar.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on July 28, 2022, 08:55:18 pm
Who cares about mistakes when you're lucky enough to be in the same room as the man creating the soundtrack to your life and giving you peace of mind by listening to his great music. Not me! I have always felt blessed to be part of this amazing community that appreciates and worships his wonderful work.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 09:08:13 pm
Beautiful words KnopfleRick. I fully agree.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 28, 2022, 09:51:32 pm
Who cares about mistakes when you're lucky enough to be in the same room as the man creating the soundtrack to your life and giving you peace of mind by listening to his great music. Not me! I have always felt blessed to be part of this amazing community that appreciates and worships his wonderful work.
This is true. It's always a pleasure to see him live. But that doesn't mean we should ignore that he can't play at the level he accostumed us to. I have suggested that he should do an acoustic concert, something like 15 songs (follow the ribbon, long cool girl, stp, dwb, hfof, r&j, and others...) so he doesn't have to play demanding stuff. It would be lovely
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 29, 2022, 12:29:44 am
I don't regret any 2019 show I attended but I can't listen any live show at home.

And I don't get with this "acoustic set wish". The worst part of the gig were the acoustic playing. Acoustic guitar is more demanding.
So give him a Les Paul and an overdrive instead.



Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Banjo99uk on July 29, 2022, 12:36:11 am
I don't regret any 2019 show I attended but I can't listen any live show at home.

And I don't get with this "acoustic set wish". The worst part of the gig were the acoustic playing. Acoustic guitar is more demanding.
So give him a Les Paul and an overdrive instead.
distort the mistakes
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on July 29, 2022, 01:18:00 am
I don't regret any 2019 show I attended but I can't listen any live show at home.

And I don't get with this "acoustic set wish". The worst part of the gig were the acoustic playing. Acoustic guitar is more demanding.
So give him a Les Paul and an overdrive instead.
I completely disagree. The acoustic part is where he feels more comfortable, you can see it in his face. I don't remember Mark making any mistake or feeling uncomfortable while playing any of the acoustic pieces (with the exception of forgetting the lyrics to HFoH once or twice). I thought they were all brilliantly played! The electric tunes, on the other hand, not really.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: cannibals on July 29, 2022, 08:49:48 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfowi3xvc6k

Paul Simon, 80, with decent playing and singing. Not how he used to, of course, but damn! Can you imagine MK at 80 doing solo guitar stuff?
Thank you for this. Great to see PS again. Always loved his music and live shows...
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 29, 2022, 02:12:27 pm
I don't regret any 2019 show I attended but I can't listen any live show at home.

And I don't get with this "acoustic set wish". The worst part of the gig were the acoustic playing. Acoustic guitar is more demanding.
So give him a Les Paul and an overdrive instead.
distort the mistakes

Yes. Mark goes to punk rock music
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on July 29, 2022, 02:49:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfowi3xvc6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfowi3xvc6k)

Paul Simon, 80, with decent playing and singing. Not how he used to, of course, but damn! Can you imagine MK at 80 doing solo guitar stuff?


This was amazing. Paul Simon is very underrated as a guitar player, I think. There's a solo piece on the album So Beautiful or So What that is just incredible. His voice is still great after all these years (pun intended). Mark, though, isn't blessed with a beautiful voice (you know what I mean) and mumbles a lot, so I don't think a solo perfomance like this would work that well. I'm really curious how the new album will sound, though.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 29, 2022, 04:19:17 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfowi3xvc6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfowi3xvc6k)

Paul Simon, 80, with decent playing and singing. Not how he used to, of course, but damn! Can you imagine MK at 80 doing solo guitar stuff?

 Mark, though, isn't blessed with a beautiful voice (you know what I mean) and mumbles a lot, so I don't think a solo perfomance like this would work that well. I'm really curious how the new album will sound, though.

"River of Grog" sounded pretty OK to me, also the solo version of "Marbletown".    I still love MK's voice too, btw.   :)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 29, 2022, 04:48:50 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on July 29, 2022, 09:44:41 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on July 29, 2022, 10:01:16 pm
I'm glad:) I have the same feelings  :thumbsup
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: SG on July 29, 2022, 10:05:05 pm
I love Mark Knopfler's voice, especially since 2004
I would like to hear more voices like that in my job (I am a sound engineer in film dubbing)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on July 29, 2022, 11:10:49 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).

Can't agree with you there, at least not live.  His voice is very weak these days.  I listened to MFN from MSG the other day and his voice was shot.  He was really struggling and couldn't even get out all the words.  His voice has actually been on a downwards slope since the BIA tour.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 30, 2022, 08:56:40 am
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).

Can't agree with you there, at least not live.  His voice is very weak these days.  I listened to MFN from MSG the other day and his voice was shot.  He was really struggling and couldn't even get out all the words.  His voice has actually been on a downwards slope since the BIA tour.

No, the fact is his voice has changed over the years from the rawness of his DS days to his smoother voice post-DS, maybe because he stopped smoking.   I love both voices, rough and smooth, but I get the feeling that you haven't moved on from the DS days - you are still fundamentally a DS fan!

His voice at Leeds sounded pretty good to me, but maybe not so good at some other shows, probably due to too many performances in a row.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on July 30, 2022, 09:39:10 am
Also when on tour the voice suffers and change, usually to worst.

I worked in a hotel that hosted many musicians playing in the city and around and there were always issues with the air conditioning on their rooms, restaurant etc as it would affect his voice. Think that MSG was the last show of a tour who passed by Italy during a very hot summer, and also playing between 4 or 5 shows per week since April.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on July 30, 2022, 12:57:28 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).

Can't agree with you there, at least not live.  His voice is very weak these days.  I listened to MFN from MSG the other day and his voice was shot.  He was really struggling and couldn't even get out all the words.  His voice has actually been on a downwards slope since the BIA tour.

No, the fact is his voice has changed over the years from the rawness of his DS days to his smoother voice post-DS, maybe because he stopped smoking.   I love both voices, rough and smooth, but I get the feeling that you haven't moved on from the DS days - you are still fundamentally a DS fan!

His voice at Leeds sounded pretty good to me, but maybe not so good at some other shows, probably due to too many performances in a row.

I'll admit to being fundamentally a DS fan, however I maintain what I said about his voice and his main appeal has always been his unique gruff vocal contrasting with his unique clean guitar tone.

After the BIA tour his vocal delivery became notably less energetic.  Just listen to OES tour performances for comparison.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on July 30, 2022, 01:33:15 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).

Can't agree with you there, at least not live.  His voice is very weak these days.  I listened to MFN from MSG the other day and his voice was shot.  He was really struggling and couldn't even get out all the words.  His voice has actually been on a downwards slope since the BIA tour.

No, the fact is his voice has changed over the years from the rawness of his DS days to his smoother voice post-DS, maybe because he stopped smoking.   I love both voices, rough and smooth, but I get the feeling that you haven't moved on from the DS days - you are still fundamentally a DS fan!

His voice at Leeds sounded pretty good to me, but maybe not so good at some other shows, probably due to too many performances in a row.

I'll admit to being fundamentally a DS fan, however I maintain what I said about his voice and his main appeal has always been his unique gruff vocal contrasting with his unique clean guitar tone.

After the BIA tour his vocal delivery became notably less energetic.  Just listen to OES tour performances for comparison.

Just like you, I became a fan because of his rough voice and beautiful guitar - I couldn't believe the singer and the guitarist were one and the same, but when MK went solo I really loved the way his voice had changed.  Just listen to his voice on 5.15am or Basil for instance, not forgetting Back to Tupelo live in Edinburgh which was so beautiful! 

I enjoy both sides of MK to this day and I'm so glad I'm still a fan!

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Darling Pretty on July 30, 2022, 02:58:44 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).

Can't agree with you there, at least not live.  His voice is very weak these days.  I listened to MFN from MSG the other day and his voice was shot.  He was really struggling and couldn't even get out all the words.  His voice has actually been on a downwards slope since the BIA tour.

No, the fact is his voice has changed over the years from the rawness of his DS days to his smoother voice post-DS, maybe because he stopped smoking.   I love both voices, rough and smooth, but I get the feeling that you haven't moved on from the DS days - you are still fundamentally a DS fan!

His voice at Leeds sounded pretty good to me, but maybe not so good at some other shows, probably due to too many performances in a row.

I'll admit to being fundamentally a DS fan, however I maintain what I said about his voice and his main appeal has always been his unique gruff vocal contrasting with his unique clean guitar tone.

After the BIA tour his vocal delivery became notably less energetic.  Just listen to OES tour performances for comparison.

It got worse from BIA to OES Tour and GH. But it got better after he quit smoking.
You can clearly hear on the STP Album and song. After that his vocals got really better and evolved
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 30, 2022, 03:18:11 pm
Until a few years ago I did not notice how bad the voice sounded on MFN on the 2005 US show from Passalong Crowfly.

I was shocked as I expected he had a better voice then.

But in all honesty I am more focused on the guitarist than the singer.

Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on July 30, 2022, 03:28:04 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).

Can't agree with you there, at least not live.  His voice is very weak these days.  I listened to MFN from MSG the other day and his voice was shot.  He was really struggling and couldn't even get out all the words.  His voice has actually been on a downwards slope since the BIA tour.

No, the fact is his voice has changed over the years from the rawness of his DS days to his smoother voice post-DS, maybe because he stopped smoking.   I love both voices, rough and smooth, but I get the feeling that you haven't moved on from the DS days - you are still fundamentally a DS fan!

His voice at Leeds sounded pretty good to me, but maybe not so good at some other shows, probably due to too many performances in a row.

I'll admit to being fundamentally a DS fan, however I maintain what I said about his voice and his main appeal has always been his unique gruff vocal contrasting with his unique clean guitar tone.

After the BIA tour his vocal delivery became notably less energetic.  Just listen to OES tour performances for comparison.

It got worse from BIA to OES Tour and GH. But it got better after he quit smoking.
You can clearly hear on the STP Album and song. After that his vocals got really better and evolved

Well, "better" is subjective as he isn't a technical singer.  Really I was referring to his ability in touring and performing live as that is what we were discussing.  Most people can sound pretty good in a studio.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on July 30, 2022, 11:09:45 pm
I've always liked the timbre of MK's voice. He always matched me with his music and lyrics.

Totally agree with you, Robson! :clap
Mark's voice is so unique and sounds so natural. I can't think of anyone other than him singing his great songs. His voice got even better with age and that is very rare.
I hope one day he will release an album with just him and his guitar(s) (acoustic and electric).

Can't agree with you there, at least not live.  His voice is very weak these days.  I listened to MFN from MSG the other day and his voice was shot.  He was really struggling and couldn't even get out all the words.  His voice has actually been on a downwards slope since the BIA tour.

No, the fact is his voice has changed over the years from the rawness of his DS days to his smoother voice post-DS, maybe because he stopped smoking.   I love both voices, rough and smooth, but I get the feeling that you haven't moved on from the DS days - you are still fundamentally a DS fan!

His voice at Leeds sounded pretty good to me, but maybe not so good at some other shows, probably due to too many performances in a row.

I'll admit to being fundamentally a DS fan, however I maintain what I said about his voice and his main appeal has always been his unique gruff vocal contrasting with his unique clean guitar tone.

After the BIA tour his vocal delivery became notably less energetic.  Just listen to OES tour performances for comparison.

Just like you, I became a fan because of his rough voice and beautiful guitar - I couldn't believe the singer and the guitarist were one and the same, but when MK went solo I really loved the way his voice had changed.  Just listen to his voice on 5.15am or Basil for instance, not forgetting Back to Tupelo live in Edinburgh which was so beautiful! 

I enjoy both sides of MK to this day and I'm so glad I'm still a fan!

 :thumbsup :clap :wave
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: qjamesfloyd on July 31, 2022, 09:01:14 am
I remember reading a magazine review of one of Mark's albums years ago which stated "Mark Knopfler could be accused of never having sung a note in his life!! But he has certainly played a few" I don't agree with that, I think his voice is as unique as his guitar playing, I watch reaction videos on YouTube, and it is amazing how many people love his voice, especially people who are hearing him and his songs for the first time.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on July 31, 2022, 10:57:58 am
I remember reading a magazine review of one of Mark's albums years ago which stated "Mark Knopfler could be accused of never having sung a note in his life!! But he has certainly played a few" I don't agree with that, I think his voice is as unique as his guitar playing, I watch reaction videos on YouTube, and it is amazing how many people love his voice, especially people who are hearing him and his songs for the first time.

I've watch a few of these myself out of curiosity.  Some of them are hilarious while others do a decent job.  Of course they all want hits so we should bear that in mind.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on July 31, 2022, 01:39:54 pm
I remember reading a magazine review of one of Mark's albums years ago which stated "Mark Knopfler could be accused of never having sung a note in his life!! But he has certainly played a few" I don't agree with that, I think his voice is as unique as his guitar playing, I watch reaction videos on YouTube, and it is amazing how many people love his voice, especially people who are hearing him and his songs for the first time.

From day one Mark Knopfler was a full package for me. Of course the guitar hero thing was obviously the main attraction but we know a lot of super guitarist that are only good at playing axes.
Mark could sang, write text and compose music, he knows how to put on a good melody. And he has this distinctive way to sing, not a tenor but he clearly do the job. Listen to him doing second voice on "Wonderfull Tonight" at the Mandela concert.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: SG on July 31, 2022, 06:05:02 pm
I love his voice and his guitar playing
40 years ago when I discovered Dire Straits, I mostly liked the songs and the guitar.
(I'm not a real fan just a little one) ;)

But now I like his voice too
And I like the sound of the records, it's important for me because I'm a film sound engineer
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MaxG on July 31, 2022, 06:06:00 pm
I initially battled to get used to his deeper voice which started occurring from the OES tour but I grew to like it.

For me the big factor here is the effect of the gruelling touring on his voice:
1) You will notice his voice is always decent on the studio albums, this as he is going in with a "fresh" rejuvenated and rested voice.
2) Listen to how his voice takes strain over the course of a tour, starting with OES, the 1991 shows were smooth, but if you take a listen to On The Night and Basel Switzerland from 1992, you will see what I mean. This same feature applies to all the tours, just sample any early dates vs. later dates on any tour. I remember how good it sounded in 2005 the first 2 shows in South Africa when I was there live and then towards the end of the tour.
3) His voice was really deep from about 1996, Golden Heart and in particular the STP tour in 2001 then he stopped smoking and it improved.

So I think there is a distinction between a deep pleasant voice, on all his albums and the early tour shows vs. a strained/damaged voice later on in the tours which is much harder on the ear.







Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on August 01, 2022, 12:13:15 am
In 1991/1992 his vocal delivery was like that because he didn't give a f*...
He was bored to death by October/November 1991: shortened the setlist and became incredibly static for the reminder of the tour, gave up playing the beautiful outro in R&J with the Pensa, etc.

So, I'm not sure his voice deteriorated that much after 1985, he just didn't want to be there so he put absolutely zero effort in his vocal performances.
Telegraph Road in 1992 went just like this:

believe in me. I'll get you away. out of the darkness into the day.
these rivers of headlights. rivers of rain.
anger that lives on the streets with these names.
run every red light. memory lane. desperation explode into flames. don't want to see it again.

I might have put more effort typing this than Mark singing it back then  ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on August 01, 2022, 12:49:10 pm
In 1991/1992 his vocal delivery was like that because he didn't give a f*...
He was bored to death by October/November 1991: shortened the setlist and became incredibly static for the reminder of the tour, gave up playing the beautiful outro in R&J with the Pensa, etc.

So, I'm not sure his voice deteriorated that much after 1985, he just didn't want to be there so he put absolutely zero effort in his vocal performances.
Telegraph Road in 1992 went just like this:

believe in me. I'll get you away. out of the darkness into the day.
these rivers of headlights. rivers of rain.
anger that lives on the streets with these names.
run every red light. memory lane. desperation explode into flames. don't want to see it again.

I might have put more effort typing this than Mark singing it back then  ;D

I think you're probably right there.  I've heard some call it the On Easy Street tour.  The sax taking the first solo on a rushed TR and shortened ToL too.  The tour was a definite step down from the BIA one where every effort was put into each performance.



Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on August 01, 2022, 03:02:05 pm
According to Joop de Korte, Mark seemed bored from start with that tour.

Still the early part of the tour sounded  so great.



Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on August 01, 2022, 03:17:06 pm
Why can't I see it when I watch the concert from Basel, for example.

The boredom of MK on every street tour is overrated :D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on August 01, 2022, 03:33:24 pm
Why can't I see it when I watch the concert from Basel, for example.

The boredom of MK on every street tour is overrated :D


Because you are wearing very thick rose-tinted glasses.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on August 01, 2022, 03:37:58 pm
That's possible. Just like over 40,000 people at St. James's Stadium:)
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on August 01, 2022, 03:38:07 pm
I remember when I attended my Paris show in 1992, after the first 30 minutes of the show I had that feeling he was doing the job but like a robot. It was so mechanical.
Later when the TV special "24 Heures" was boradcasted I learnt that Mark was under medication (antibiotics) for a cold.

 
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on August 01, 2022, 03:51:47 pm
Why can't I see it when I watch the concert from Basel, for example.

The boredom of MK on every street tour is overrated :D
No, it is not. Almost every single person who talks about that tour is clear about it: John Illsley, Joop de Korte, Chris Whitten, Ed Bicknell... All of them say the tour was a disaster. Mark was bored, angry, dealing with a failed marriage and he clearly didn't want to be stuck for another year touring the world, playing songs and shows he no longer wanted to play.

In fact, in my view, the Basel 1992 concert is a crystal clear example of this. Mark speaks to the audience once, for like 10 seconds. Did he even smile once during that concert? I don't think he did. His vocals are completely emotionless, his playing is formulaic and the whole performance of the band is just robotic.

I love the On Every Street period because I'm a country/folk guy, so I love the album. But I would be blind or deaf if I said that the 1992 concerts sound good to me.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on August 01, 2022, 04:04:21 pm
He smiled many times:) I think we are forgetting about the joy and enthusiasm of the audience. And I can see it. My perception is different.

Mark knew his possibilities and life, he knew what awaited him on the long concert tour. If he didn't want to, Mark wouldn't go on tour
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: superval99 on August 01, 2022, 04:24:00 pm
He smiled many times:) I think we are forgetting about the joy and enthusiasm of the audience. And I can see it. My perception is different.

Mark knew his possibilities and life, he knew what awaited him on the long concert tour. If he didn't want to, Mark wouldn't go on tour

I noticed that he smiled during Sultans, especially when he was duetting with Chris White, but sometimes he looked a bit irritated.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on August 01, 2022, 04:24:07 pm
I don't think Mark had the freedom to choose to not go on tour in those days. They had an album to support.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on August 01, 2022, 04:32:02 pm
Good point. But was the tour on every street really not a success?  Was Mark bored? He knows best :) It doesn't matter in my opinion - every street tour was a success.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on August 01, 2022, 04:39:54 pm
Start - 1986: The unmistakable DS voice
1991 - 1992: Bored, tired, effortless
1996 - 2005: Same darkness as 91/92 but with far more effort and joy
2006 - 2010: Favorite solo era, had to keep up with Emmylou's beautiful singing, especially singing marvelous on the KTGC tour!
2011 - 2015: Mix between 1996-2010 era's

I found his singing on Tracker generally weak, but it suited the record. Of course, I still love the sound of his voice, but all power and urgency faded away. On DTRW, it's not a style/choice anymore. The need to deliver is gone. I think you can even hear which songs were recorded at the beginning of the session and the ones later on, closer to the release. Is he even trying on Heavy Up? You can also hear it on the latest tour, for example, in R&J, which always had passion and urgency, but it's completely gone.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on August 01, 2022, 04:41:27 pm
Mark is a pro and soldiers on, but he's terrible at faking happiness. He's not an actor like some artists are. For good or worse.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: hunter on August 01, 2022, 04:45:15 pm
Start - 1986: The unmistakable DS voice
1991 - 1992: Bored, tired, effortless
1996 - 2005: Same darkness as 91/92 but with far more effort and joy
2006 - 2010: Favorite solo era, had to keep up with Emmylou's beautiful singing, especially singing marvelous on the KTGC tour!
2011 - 2015: Mix between 1996-2010 era's

I found his singing on Tracker generally weak, but it suited the record. Of course, I still love the sound of his voice, but all power and urgency faded away. On DTRW, it's not a style/choice anymore. The need to deliver is gone. I think you can even hear which songs were recorded at the beginning of the session and the ones later on, closer to the release. Is he even trying on Heavy Up? You can also hear it on the latest tour, for example, in R&J, which always had passion and urgency, but it's completely gone.


I was just listening to DTRW and was struck by how lackluster his vocal performance is. Very little emotion. Some of those songs would really benefit from being sung by someone with a strong voice.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on August 01, 2022, 07:49:05 pm
That's possible. Just like over 40,000 people at St. James's Stadium:)

That's Newcastle. Basel one is St Jakobs lol
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on August 01, 2022, 08:24:58 pm
Yes my mistake. Thanks jbaent.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: KnopfleRick on August 01, 2022, 08:33:25 pm
Why can't I see it when I watch the concert from Basel, for example.

The boredom of MK on every street tour is overrated :D


Because you are wearing very thick rose-tinted glasses.

So I too was wearing these glasses last night when I watched the Basel DVD.  ;)I didn't have the feeling that he was bored and I saw him smilling to the audience and his band mates many times. Mark has never been a great entertainer. For him it's all about the performance of his songs. He never felt the need to wear flashy suits and talk a lot. I love him the way he is. And just let me say this. If your private life is falling into pieces you can't act like being the happies guy in the world.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: Robson on August 01, 2022, 08:44:18 pm
I agree with every word KnopfleRick :thumbsup

"If your private life is falling into pieces you can't act like being the happies guy in the world.

That's true. And this is worth remembering
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: rmarques821 on August 01, 2022, 10:05:11 pm
Good point. But was the tour on every street really not a success?  Was Mark bored? He knows best :) It doesn't matter in my opinion - every street tour was a success.
Oh come on, dude! How was that tour a success? For whom? Mark and John funded the beginning of the tour and lost millions of pounds so the tour wasn't financially successful; the ticket sales were nowhere near the BIA tour. I learned sometime ago that concerts in Australia had to be cancelled due to poor sales; the coverage in the media, from what I have read here, was superficial compared to 85/86. So, also in reception it was unsuccessful.

Even Mark, I think, hated that tour, as he never mentioned it ever again and has shown hints of disdain about that period. I remember an interview from 2018 where the reporter tells him his personal favourite song My Parties and Mark gives him the most indifferent reply possible and tells the journalist he doesn't even remember that song was on OES!  ;D

I'm happy to hear that you like it, there are also certain moments of that tour which I think are superb and I listen to songs from 1991 quite often. But to claim that the tour was a success... :hmm
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: ds1984 on August 02, 2022, 12:17:13 am
Australia and US tours were losses.

Europe was a stong success

But in economics gains are sums to your capital, losses are divisions to your capital.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on August 02, 2022, 08:34:59 am
European concerts covered the loose from Australia, New Zealand and North America, well, probably in NA they had a balance between costs and income, but it is sure they won a lot of money in Europe.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 02, 2022, 10:14:07 am
I'm no expert on the economics of concerts but it was notable that they played to stadiums at the end of the tour where presumably they can make more money per show.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on August 02, 2022, 10:50:01 am
I'm no expert on the economics of concerts but it was notable that they played to stadiums at the end of the tour where presumably they can make more money per show.

Yes, and they played, for example, in Spain, in towns where usually nobody that big goes, and all stadiums.

I guess that if they wanted, they could had played in 12 more cities, in football stadiums, and fill all of them, but I guess at that time they simply wanted to finish.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dmg on August 02, 2022, 01:18:55 pm
I'm no expert on the economics of concerts but it was notable that they played to stadiums at the end of the tour where presumably they can make more money per show.

Yes, and they played, for example, in Spain, in towns where usually nobody that big goes, and all stadiums.

I guess that if they wanted, they could had played in 12 more cities, in football stadiums, and fill all of them, but I guess at that time they simply wanted to finish.

Same in UK.  I mean Ipswich Town FC?

Still, it's not as bad as Elton John and The Killers playing Falkirk FC in more recent times!
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: jbaent on August 02, 2022, 01:34:53 pm
I'm no expert on the economics of concerts but it was notable that they played to stadiums at the end of the tour where presumably they can make more money per show.

Yes, and they played, for example, in Spain, in towns where usually nobody that big goes, and all stadiums.

I guess that if they wanted, they could had played in 12 more cities, in football stadiums, and fill all of them, but I guess at that time they simply wanted to finish.

Same in UK.  I mean Ipswich Town FC?

Still, it's not as bad as Elton John and The Killers playing Falkirk FC in more recent times!

They also played at Gateshead stadium, come on! MK is a geordie, play at St James's Park!!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: MaxG on August 02, 2022, 01:57:07 pm
I think there is a bit of an over emphasis on Mark's personal situation in relation to his performances and music. He is a professional musician, much like a professional sportsmen, people are paying for your shows and you must try and do your best to deliver. Chris Witten even stated this where he said the OES tour as we all know was not the happiest camp, but he realised he had to go out and give it his best. I think the last thing a musician wants to do is let their fans down.

In general, I feel MK always tries to give his best in shows and realises the fans are there for him. Any perceived weak performances I would therefore be inclined to put down rather to his physical or health situation at the time as opposed to any personal situation of just not being in the mood.
Title: Re: New for 2022
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 02, 2022, 02:41:34 pm
I'm no expert on the economics of concerts but it was notable that they played to stadiums at the end of the tour where presumably they can make more money per show.

Yes, and they played, for example, in Spain, in towns where usually nobody that big goes, and all stadiums.

I guess that if they wanted, they could had played in 12 more cities, in football stadiums, and fill all of them, but I guess at that time they simply wanted to finish.

Same in UK.  I mean Ipswich Town FC?

Still, it's not as bad as Elton John and The Killers playing Falkirk FC in more recent times!

They also played at Gateshead stadium, come on! MK is a geordie, play at St James's Park!!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A lot of clubs don't want these type of events, often they have to rip up and replace the pitch afterwards.

I have a soft spot for this run of shows as MK signed my poster advertising them.