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OfflineRobson

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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #360 on: September 22, 2023, 05:33:35 PM »
I always assumed that "Heavy Up" was quite obviously inspired by that mother of all assholes, Donald Trump. Just like "Don't Crash the Ambulance" was quite obviously about Bush Sr. and Jr., or like "El Macho" was obviously about Jerry Springer. Which doesn't mean that everything fits - it doesn't. But that's the freedom of art: You take something out of the newspaper, but then enrich it, change it, transform it and make it something that's more universally true. A "character" that doesn't exist as such, but is constantly being reborn in various human beings. I know plenty of people who should "heavy up", even in my own life.  ;)

Oh, and I like "Heavy Up" a lot.

El Macho is quite a weird song lyrically and for me it isn't obvious that it's about Springer. Possible, but maybe not.

Don't Crash The Ambulance is very stupid, did MK not notice two terms of Clinton?!

Why stupid? If this is a conversation between father and son it makes sense.

Between Bush Snr and Bush Jnr I have always assumed.

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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #361 on: September 22, 2023, 05:44:58 PM »
I always assumed that "Heavy Up" was quite obviously inspired by that mother of all assholes, Donald Trump. Just like "Don't Crash the Ambulance" was quite obviously about Bush Sr. and Jr., or like "El Macho" was obviously about Jerry Springer. Which doesn't mean that everything fits - it doesn't. But that's the freedom of art: You take something out of the newspaper, but then enrich it, change it, transform it and make it something that's more universally true. A "character" that doesn't exist as such, but is constantly being reborn in various human beings. I know plenty of people who should "heavy up", even in my own life.  ;)

Oh, and I like "Heavy Up" a lot.

El Macho is quite a weird song lyrically and for me it isn't obvious that it's about Springer. Possible, but maybe not.

Don't Crash The Ambulance is very stupid, did MK not notice two terms of Clinton?!

Why stupid? If this is a conversation between father and son it makes sense.

Between Bush Snr and Bush Jnr I have always assumed.

Yes but Snr would not be showing Jnr round the White House, his desk, the nuclear buttons etc. He had moved out 8 years earlier.
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #362 on: September 22, 2023, 05:51:18 PM »
I always assumed that "Heavy Up" was quite obviously inspired by that mother of all assholes, Donald Trump. Just like "Don't Crash the Ambulance" was quite obviously about Bush Sr. and Jr., or like "El Macho" was obviously about Jerry Springer. Which doesn't mean that everything fits - it doesn't. But that's the freedom of art: You take something out of the newspaper, but then enrich it, change it, transform it and make it something that's more universally true. A "character" that doesn't exist as such, but is constantly being reborn in various human beings. I know plenty of people who should "heavy up", even in my own life.  ;)

Oh, and I like "Heavy Up" a lot.

El Macho is quite a weird song lyrically and for me it isn't obvious that it's about Springer. Possible, but maybe not.

Don't Crash The Ambulance is very stupid, did MK not notice two terms of Clinton?!

Why stupid? If this is a conversation between father and son it makes sense.

Between Bush Snr and Bush Jnr I have always assumed.

Yes but Snr would not be showing Jnr round the White House, his desk, the nuclear buttons etc. He had moved out 8 years earlier.

Yes, I didn't realise that.   I wonder who it could have been about?
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #363 on: September 22, 2023, 06:03:40 PM »
Don't crush the ambulance is about the Bush...

Junior ask Senior to go with him to the white house, as he knows it, to show him where all things are.

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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #364 on: September 22, 2023, 06:22:23 PM »
Don't crush the ambulance is about the Bush...

Junior ask Senior to go with him to the white house, as he knows it, to show him where all things are.

Yes exactly. But musically I could never understand it. Because for me it has a more French (harmonica) atmosphere than Texas  :)
« Last Edit: September 22, 2023, 06:51:52 PM by Robson »
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #365 on: September 22, 2023, 06:57:46 PM »
Don't crush the ambulance is about the Bush...

Junior ask Senior to go with him to the white house, as he knows it, to show him where all things are.

Got his cojones on my desk in there
Made into a souvenir
Set of cufflinks, nice pair
The rest of him's someplace up here

If Bush Sr is visiting Jr at Jrs invitation, why does St have a desk at the White House with souvenirs?!

Sorry, I like the song but the concept is stupid. (IMO) :)
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #366 on: September 22, 2023, 07:02:47 PM »
Don't crush the ambulance is about the Bush...

Junior ask Senior to go with him to the white house, as he knows it, to show him where all things are.

Got his cojones on my desk in there
Made into a souvenir
Set of cufflinks, nice pair
The rest of him's someplace up here

If Bush Sr is visiting Jr at Jrs invitation, why does St have a desk at the White House with souvenirs?!

Sorry, I like the song but the concept is stupid. (IMO) :)

Well Junior is dumb, so he needed the assistance of daddy who knows the job, and the desk!
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #367 on: September 22, 2023, 07:06:09 PM »
Don't crush the ambulance is about the Bush...

Junior ask Senior to go with him to the white house, as he knows it, to show him where all things are.

Got his cojones on my desk in there
Made into a souvenir
Set of cufflinks, nice pair
The rest of him's someplace up here

If Bush Sr is visiting Jr at Jrs invitation, why does St have a desk at the White House with souvenirs?!

Sorry, I like the song but the concept is stupid. (IMO) :)

Well Junior is dumb, so he needed the assistance of daddy who knows the job, and the desk!

The chorus doesn’t make sense either, “I’m handing over to you”, how can you hand over a job you got kicked out of 8 years earlier?

Honestly, MK should really just stay away from “funny” songs, he’s no Randy Newman!
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #368 on: September 22, 2023, 08:16:20 PM »
He's handing over to him because Junior is dumb and Daddy knows he need assistance.

That's what I always understood from the song. mk usually doesn't stick to the reality but creates an image, a situation

I agree with the funny songs. They are nice when you listen the first time, but they loose it very soon.


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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #369 on: September 22, 2023, 08:46:55 PM »
"mk usually doesn't stick to the reality but creates an image, a situation"

Exactly!

This song is not funny to me. It is full of sarcasm and irony.
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #370 on: September 23, 2023, 01:10:21 AM »
Surely its not meant to be historically accurate, the timeline is probably irrelevant. It’s just the madness of one President handing down the power to his son. A bit like an autocracy. At the time the Bushes were enemy number one for the chattering middle classes. I like the song as a bit of fun, but it’s not one I go back to often.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2023, 02:18:54 AM by Banjo99uk »

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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #371 on: September 23, 2023, 07:57:12 AM »
I don't know why people don't like Heavy Up. Its one of my favourites on the album.....I find the music and melody nice and catchy. Creative.

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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #372 on: September 23, 2023, 01:05:09 PM »
It’s just the madness of one President handing down the power to his son.

That would indeed be mad if it actually happened.

But it didn’t. :)
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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #373 on: September 27, 2023, 04:05:57 PM »
Mark about "You and Your Friend" (in an interview at the time): "I like keeping it open for people to use in a way that they want. If you make it specific you spoil it."

I think that's the rule he has mostly followed with his character songs, at least the negative ones. And it makes sense - he's an artist, not a journalist.

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Re: New for 2023
« Reply #374 on: September 27, 2023, 06:36:48 PM »
Mark about "You and Your Friend" (in an interview at the time): "I like keeping it open for people to use in a way that they want. If you make it specific you spoil it."

I think that's the rule he has mostly followed with his character songs, at least the negative ones. And it makes sense - he's an artist, not a journalist.

He's both, he worked as a journalist!
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