Cilla Black (big pop star in the 60s) was an awful person by multiple accounts.
Ed mentioned that Gerry Rafferty was difficult to work with but an alcoholic an undiagnosed bipolar.
I guess quite a ton of artists are difficult to work with, probably most of them, and that's actually to be expected. As many of you know, the average intelligence level of human beings is pretty low, so I wouldn't expect everybody to act as ladies and gentlemen, especially people with a lot of money and power. In fact, in most cases, money and fame will just show you what this person was all about, it doesn't change a person.
And in another act of defending Mark, you don't need to be Einstein to know it wasn't money or fame that turned Mark into a "bully", the guy just got haunted by bad luck.
Finally! A sense of humour emerges .
Yep. I think being “difficult” is almost a requirement but being a total dick is NOT, as always in the human condition, it’s a matter of degree.
Now. You have COMPLETELY lost me.
“ Bad luck ”? What bad luck?
On life's scales his good luck outweighs the bad massively.
Your knowledge of M’s personality is impressive given you’ve never met him as far as I know.
Don’t understand that comment at all.
I see nearly ALL "bad" things that Mark did as reasonable.
I guess English isn't your first language.
You claim not to be dismissing 'the victims', you claim not to be arguing with the facts.
I'm not claiming anything. I'm just having fun on a fan forum while enjoying some pineapple juice. There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who think words on a fan forum are set in stone and will reverberate for eternity. And those who think it's a platform for sharing opinions, digging for deeper meanings, finding hidden gems.
If you want to declare a 100% truth, no problem, write a book. But even so, it will only be like just your opinion, man. What is the truth, anyway? I've witnessed so many times people who WERE THERE straight up telling lies. Only because you were there doesn't mean your opinion is the only opinion in the world.
The human factor is still there. You can forget things, you can misinterpret things, you can dislike a person, but you can not stop people from having different opinions. And I never dismissed information from people who were there, I just expressed how I see the situation. My sincerest apologies for any errors in my speech and any misunderstandings that may arise as a result for I am no native English speaker.
Sometimes Pavel, you disappear up your own arse in your search for fun.…what Chris is saying, what I’m saying, is that we were there, in my case for the whole DS ride, and neither of us is in the habit of telling lies or making things up, we don't need to.
Opinions are fine but they need to be based on facts, on actualities , yours are based on nothing or am I missing something? .
And in another act of defending Mark, you don't need to be Einstein to know it wasn't money or fame that turned Mark into a "bully", the guy just got haunted by bad luck.
Eh? There's no doubt that MK had/has a huge amount of talent but I'm sure he would admit he had a huge amount of luck along the way as well.
EXACTLY!
In my (actual) experience, many artists are pretty nice and reasonable. Of course they have their off days.
One thing that turns artists from humble to egotistical is selling millions of records and winning lots of accolades, but it doesn't always damage them.
I agree. 90% of the artists I've worked with have been positive experiences….creative, great people , intelligent, kind, funny, really interesting, many verbally disgusting ( great ) , but some for sure have gone from all of that to being narcissistic wankers because of fame, money and celebrity, and THEN come out the other end when they realise…or someone they respect tells them….it’s all a load of crap.
I wonder if Roger Waters respects anyone ……
What is the point in dissing people decades after the event?
Manu didn't enjoy the session but got the job done,got paid and refused the tour.
Mark created a decent album and live show,continued to be unreasonable and didn't get what he wanted for dinner.
All the musicians got paid well and those he upset took that money and run.
Everyone "won."
Because somebody started this bloody thread and because John DeChristopher brought up Heavy Fuel to some French drummer who’s smile when he did said EVERYTHING.
I had to chuckle at that .
I’m 100% sure that most musicians would rather not have been “ upset and run ”…..money alone is not compensation for being treated badly in any workplace let alone the creative arts.
So did they really “win”?
Dear Chris, I'm not arguing, and somehow, you always find ways to stab me with your umbrella. Years go by, and I'm still waiting for the moment when Chris will finally say at least a single nice word about me
Who's bullying?
Mate. Chris has spent his life working as a pro musician, has a ton of insight about the workings of top-tier bands, and lived through an era of the band that we could otherwise only speculate about. Yet you're constantly contradicting his posts!
Chris, Manu, Ed, and MK's dentist have all made it clear that he could be a very difficult person to deal with. A lot of very ambitions, high-achieving people are. Having that information (and accepting it) is what makes forums like this valuable and entertaining, otherwise they just become deluded circle jerks.
LOVE IT!!! M’s dentist or “ how to get a front cover on The Sun in one easy lesson”.
Someone who accepts that AMIT is 90% speculation and 10% inspiration.
You really do know all the chords don’t you?
What is the point in dissing people decades after the event?
Manu didn't enjoy the session but got the job done,got paid and refused the tour.
Mark created a decent album and live show,continued to be unreasonable and didn't get what he wanted for dinner.
All the musicians got paid well and those he upset took that money and run.
Everyone "won."
Deary deary me. What a laughable post.
First of all do you expect Chris or Manu to just lie?
Secondly - taking the money and run? So I suppose you would stop in the middle of a tour and stand your ground, leave, not get paid your full
payment leaving you in limbo yet nothing changes going forward with regards to the tour environment or worst still you leave forcing the tour to be cancelled? Blame falls on you and I bet as a fan you wouldn't have been happy with that last scenario.
Deal with the facts. MK is one of my top 4 guitarists of all time and 2 of DS albums in my top 10. It doesn't mean i'm deluded. It doesn't make him a hero or a saint. In fact it all makes sense with regards to the ins and outs and comings and goings regarding DS.
You have expressed so much better than I did a really valid point AND you “get it” ( your last para ….).
What Chris and I have been aiming at is for someone…anyone…to say “ it all makes sense ..re the comings and goings”.
Hally fucking loo yah.
AND a quiz. I love a quiz. 3 more guitarists for us to guess at….Erica Clapped Out? Jimi Hendrix? Stevie Ray Vaughan? Hank Marvin? David Gilmour? Gary Clark Jnr. Susan Tedeschi? Guitar George? Steve Luthaker? Chet Atkins? Scotty Moore? The bloke who played “ Wipeout”?
Am I warm?
MESSAGE FOR ED REGARDING MY 4 TOP GUITARIST LIST....
You did well to mention one of them... and whilst Hendrix, Gilmour are both up there in the top 20 you were right with Lukather. What a talent, and a smashing session musician. Have you come across him btw?
The others i'm sure you'd have heard of...
1. Jimmy Page
2. Michael Schenker
3. Mark Knopfler
4. Steve Lukather
The beauty about all four... all play different guitars, sound completely different etc. Added bonus... my guitarists from 5-10:
5. Bruce John Dickinson (not the Iron Maiden singer, this guy played guitars for Little Angels, a 90's brit-rock band but he went onto form/open up various music schools including BIMM (In Brighton) and ACM (In Guildford) Top musician, in fact ex Little Angels members also went onto feature in Skunk Anansie/Feeder (Mark Richardson), Page/Plant (Michael Lee RIP - What a drummer and should have been the player at the Led Zep reunion gig imho), Mark Plunkettt (Boyzone/Ronan Keating manager.) The lead singer and main composure Toby Jepson has his own slot on Planet Rock. Top songwriter/producer.
6. Joe Satriani
7. Dean DeLeo (Stone Temple Pilots)
8. Vernon Reid (Living Colour)
9. Paul Kossoff (Free)
10. Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme)