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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2025, 11:50:45 AM »
Chris, I’m no drummer, but isn’t it fair to say that no other drummer was creating parts like this for pop songs in 1965?

https://youtu.be/vl9188EPdLI?si=Vt15MvClg_04kLOG

Did you have to adjust your style to accommodate left hand fills etc when playing the classics on the Macca tour?
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #106 on: March 30, 2025, 01:07:04 PM »
Yes, Ringo was both unique and trail blazing.
On the tour I tended to play my own fills, but keeping in the style of Ringo.
The drum solo in The End does require some odd sticking though.

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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #107 on: May 11, 2025, 05:11:31 PM »
While reading this thread I felt a bit sick. This is why I try to stick to the music and art only and not the people that created it. Human relations is such a hard knot...
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #108 on: May 13, 2025, 09:01:43 AM »
Lots of amazing music has been made through conflict. That's the thing about art, it is all subjective. If it wasn't hard to navigate multiple important choices creativity would be boring and lifeless.
Heavy Fuel sounds nothing like Manu Katche. He says he was angry and just slammed his way through the take. Maybe that was for the best?
Of course it was unpleasant at the time. I look back at some of my most difficult sessions, where I was hating every minute and that's some of the work I'm most proud of now.

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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #109 on: May 13, 2025, 01:40:07 PM »
Well tastes.

When I hear about Manu Katché's contribution on the album I like to think to his drum on PONO and Heavy Fuel mostly sound as a skipper to me.


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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #110 on: May 14, 2025, 09:49:14 AM »
Seems like an apt place to drop this, MK and T-Bone Burnett in 1987 saying how crap nearly all drummers are, page 73:

https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Musician/1980/1987/Musician-1987-09.pdf#search=%22knopfler%22
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #111 on: May 14, 2025, 05:17:59 PM »
Dusty what is your take, from personal experience with drummers?
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #112 on: May 14, 2025, 05:37:09 PM »
Dusty what is your take, from personal experience with drummers?

Ha ha, well I play in little pubs and stuff so I don't really feel qualified to have a take! My main concern is having someone reliable who turns up when they are supposed to. After that, my main concern would be getting endings right, no fade outs in the pub!
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #113 on: May 14, 2025, 06:27:55 PM »
I see. So you don't like them either.  ;)

What a lovely interview Dusty. Thank you. This being almost 40 years ago, however I can relate to the way it is conducted and their full and uniquely real and  passionate replies, more than the  interviews with contemporary artists, that many things are lost between the political correctness and toned down attitudes.

Having read the interview, I must confess that MK is very diplomatic on many subjects. He does not follow up on the claim Burnett makes for either Bono or Springsteen being able or unable to deliver on a big stadium and on the drummer reference, although I know that MK has said elsewhere that "a drummer is good if he is better than no drummer at all", or something to that effect, he actually says this:"KNOPFLER: [Grins and nods] I can’t tell you what it is to hear that. I can’t tell you. " So we can't tell either, we can only assume. 

Other nice things from this interview is that although he agreed to play on the Orbison album, apparently he never did, probably due to Orbison's untimely death, that he doesn't like playing in big stadiums, that he has some Infidel roughs that sound incredible and we must find them, that he somehow co-produced "when he returns" and that his being in total control while producing is interpreted differently by each musician.

I like Mr. Whitten's take and I agree with it, that a lot of great music (and art in general) is made through conflict. It is a creative process, and it either produced unique things, that a person on his own wouldn't come up with, or breaks the band apart.   
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #114 on: May 14, 2025, 07:23:22 PM »
No, I've been lucky to work with some great drummers.

Not an album per se but T-Bone was the musical director for this so best guess he tapped MK up for it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Orbison_and_Friends:_A_Black_and_White_Night

Filmed Sept 30th 1987, no idea what MK was up to at that point.
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2025, 07:54:00 PM »

I like Mr. Whitten's take and I agree with it, that a lot of great music (and art in general) is made through conflict. It is a creative process, and it either produced unique things, that a person on his own wouldn't come up with, or breaks the band apart.

Yeah, but the interview is sad IMO. And completely vindicates everything I've posted here and at times been heavily criticised for.
They seem to agree that most drummers are bad and maybe three in the world are good enough. Good enough to play with them? Such arrogance.
I just don't think you can have blanket negative views like this.
But it totally illustrates what I was walking into. Porcaro turned down the tour, Katche turned down the tour and I WASN'T the third drummer in the world they thought was good. So there was this general attitude of 'you're really not good enough' before I'd even played a note in rehearsals.
I do remember Mark calling out a song for us to try, then immediately saying "I don't know why we're bothering, no f**king drummer has ever been able to play it right".
This was in front of the whole band.

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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2025, 08:18:35 PM »
Dear mr. Whitten, I know it is unfair to compare and I am not trying to justify any behavior, but when only one person is on another plane and only he  has the full picture and lacks time to explain  or has other pressures and obligations, it usually affects his decisions or even his view of the world. Behavior will certainly be affected as well. It is most hurtful for everyone around. Any person with interactions with other people will go through this many times during his lifetime. Knowing it is happening, does not help dealing with it. And from what I can presume from your message,  it couldn't be consider a creative conflict, which is sad.   

Dusty, good call about the album. Although I like this live album and have it in all formats, (even blu ray) my mind didn't consider it as the one mentioned, but rather as the studio album that never was, after Mystery Girl - which eventually became King of hearts.

Imagine if MK was in that line up. And working with those people what could have unfolded. Or maybe nothing would have come out after all, just like Eric Clapton, J.J. etc.

By the way, although this would be out of necessity and tour economics, J.J. Cale often played with a drum machine. Another dissatisfied customer?  ;)
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2025, 10:46:08 PM »
Several artists I worked with on and off loved drum machines because it was about control. A drum machine doesn't have an opinion.
Drum machines tend also to be robotic, it takes a lot of work to extract groove and soul from a drum machine, although not impossible.

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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #118 on: May 15, 2025, 12:42:49 AM »
There’s also the fact for someone like JJ, who’s appeal was more selective, a drum machine was a lot cheaper.
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Re: Manu Katche speaks about working with MK
« Reply #119 on: May 15, 2025, 11:02:37 AM »
I think Mike Oldfield has the right idea, do everything (almost) yourself and you don't have to worry about offending/annoying anyone, although interestingly enough he did use many different and great drummers including Simon Phillips, Phil Collins, Steve Broughton, Pierre Moerlen, Morris Pert, Graham Broad, and Ian Thomas, who we know plays with MK. I am sure these players are all familiar to Mr Chris W.
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