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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2025, 05:05:08 PM »
Anyway, Mark himself looked like a tennisman back in the day, and for his last tour he stemmed to be in pyjamas, and nobody cared. That's the magic of music 😂

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2025, 06:32:54 PM »
Artists who behave difficult, not exactly breaking news. And Mark for sure had taken things up several notches on the difficult scale. I didn't notice it when reading it back in 92, but I recently read an interview Mark did with Guitar Player at the time, and it struck me how full of himself he sounded. Almost cocky. In the Vox interview too from that time, he comes across as pretty harsh and insensitive. Very unlike my perception of him from interviews before and after the OES era. So something was clearly up. In addition to Mark's supposedly inflated ego, his failing relationship and having second thoughts about the OES tour, it's also possible he went through a good ol' mid-life crisis. And/or male menopause; yes, it's a thing, guys. Depending on how or how hard it strikes, you can become a seriously moody bitch. I'm 48, so guess how I know. Do I defend Mark's actions? No. Was I there? No. Do I know Mark privately? No! And to my knowledge, neither did/does Chris. Does any of this matter 30 plus years later? N. O.

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2025, 11:27:21 PM »
Does any of this matter 30 plus years later? N. O.


The central issue about this is very clear and well justified to me, it's not that it doesn't matter anymore 30 years later, but Chris can't come across people driven by guesswork "belching" parallel narratives, to the point of pitting everyone against one, as if all the people who had an unpleasant experience with MK, it was that person's fault, usually because they were incompetent and not up to what MK ("The supreme, omnipotent and immaculate god") would like... This is ridiculous and childish, it's worse than revisionism, because it's totally driven by blind fanaticism, a barren ground for self-criticism. If I were Chris, when I came across this kind of thing, I would express myself the same way, Ed did the same and with good reason, we are privileged to have this information first-hand from people who were part of the band's history, who were there helping to build the trajectory of the band we love the most, I am grateful and respectful to them for that. I dispense with the delusions of contradictory fanatics, the insistent ones are unbearable, they cannot be taken seriously.
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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2025, 12:31:01 AM »
Does any of this matter 30 plus years later? N. O.


The central issue about this is very clear and well justified to me, it's not that it doesn't matter anymore 30 years later, but Chris can't come across people driven by guesswork "belching" parallel narratives, to the point of pitting everyone against one, as if all the people who had an unpleasant experience with MK, it was that person's fault, usually because they were incompetent and not up to what MK ("The supreme, omnipotent and immaculate god") would like... This is ridiculous and childish, it's worse than revisionism, because it's totally driven by blind fanaticism, a barren ground for self-criticism. If I were Chris, when I came across this kind of thing, I would express myself the same way, Ed did the same and with good reason, we are privileged to have this information first-hand from people who were part of the band's history, who were there helping to build the trajectory of the band we love the most, I am grateful and respectful to them for that. I dispense with the delusions of contradictory fanatics, the insistent ones are unbearable, they cannot be taken seriously.

Are these contradictory fanatics in the room with us right now? :lol

Even as somebody from the "opposition" camp who usually causes fights here, I find it extremely disrespectful to call anybody a "fanatic". In my 20 years on this forum or whatever (I don't know the EXACT date, please don't kill me for a piece of vague information), I almost never witnessed a truly mad, insane fanatic and frankly never witnessed anything that could be called a blind admiration. I can't say never because the world is not perfect, and in rare cases things do go south.

What I do witness often is the lack of respect, empathy, and most importantly—sense of humour. Ed Bicknell, bless him, instead of making me cry out of disillusionment made me cry of laughter several times during his indirect visits and even when he can't agree with you and he shuts your butt down, he does it with dignity and respect. And, most importantly, with fun and ability to laugh at himself. I wish everybody could argue with me this way on a forum read by a few dozen music geeks.

Nothing funny in calling somebody a fanatic or saying he can't be taken seriously, when you don't even know a person at all. Talking about guesswork. Sorry folks, but my skin isn't too thin either and I know my worth, and I know many smart people I respect and who respect my opinion in return, the fact that somebody or an accomplished musician called me a fanatic won't make me cut my wrists.

The so-called "truth" means nothing if it's delivered in a manner so serious, the recipient of such truth would be rather working in a graveyard digging graves, than spend any amount of time with his opponent. I know I'd be happy to share a drink with Ed or Dusty Springfield, but I'm not so sure about all the visitors of this forum.

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2025, 03:09:06 AM »
Does any of this matter 30 plus years later? N. O.


The central issue about this is very clear and well justified to me, it's not that it doesn't matter anymore 30 years later, but Chris can't come across people driven by guesswork "belching" parallel narratives, to the point of pitting everyone against one, as if all the people who had an unpleasant experience with MK, it was that person's fault, usually because they were incompetent and not up to what MK ("The supreme, omnipotent and immaculate god") would like... This is ridiculous and childish, it's worse than revisionism, because it's totally driven by blind fanaticism, a barren ground for self-criticism. If I were Chris, when I came across this kind of thing, I would express myself the same way, Ed did the same and with good reason, we are privileged to have this information first-hand from people who were part of the band's history, who were there helping to build the trajectory of the band we love the most, I am grateful and respectful to them for that. I dispense with the delusions of contradictory fanatics, the insistent ones are unbearable, they cannot be taken seriously.

Are these contradictory fanatics in the room with us right now? :lol

Even as somebody from the "opposition" camp who usually causes fights here, I find it extremely disrespectful to call anybody a "fanatic". In my 20 years on this forum or whatever (I don't know the EXACT date, please don't kill me for a piece of vague information), I almost never witnessed a truly mad, insane fanatic and frankly never witnessed anything that could be called a blind admiration. I can't say never because the world is not perfect, and in rare cases things do go south.

What I do witness often is the lack of respect, empathy, and most importantly—sense of humour. Ed Bicknell, bless him, instead of making me cry out of disillusionment made me cry of laughter several times during his indirect visits and even when he can't agree with you and he shuts your butt down, he does it with dignity and respect. And, most importantly, with fun and ability to laugh at himself. I wish everybody could argue with me this way on a forum read by a few dozen music geeks.

Nothing funny in calling somebody a fanatic or saying he can't be taken seriously, when you don't even know a person at all. Talking about guesswork. Sorry folks, but my skin isn't too thin either and I know my worth, and I know many smart people I respect and who respect my opinion in return, the fact that somebody or an accomplished musician called me a fanatic won't make me cut my wrists.

The so-called "truth" means nothing if it's delivered in a manner so serious, the recipient of such truth would be rather working in a graveyard digging graves, than spend any amount of time with his opponent. I know I'd be happy to share a drink with Ed or Dusty Springfield, but I'm not so sure about all the visitors of this forum.


Being direct and objective

We are certainly known to each other through the posts here on the forum, (the vast majority) approaches and points of view around various aspects related to MK's work, of course some know each other personally, or are known for another activity related to MK's music on another channel, you are an example, your channel on YouTube, wonderful, by the way, I've been following it since you created it. However, it is based on what is discussed here that we can have some image about anyone here, and based on that, we have an idea of ​​the fan profile that circulates here. I have been told that I am a minimalist observer about Dire Straits, a nerdy fan, a detail-oriented, a purist... this may sound boring or pleasant to anyone, very normal, in the end, I am just another person who loves Dire Straits' work and MK's solo career, I share some of my discoveries, my research and points of view here and on other social networks, as do so many others... But, let's face it, I have seen you clash with Ed Bicknell here, and be insistent, stubborn with both Ed and Chris, there was an occasion when I thought I was having a nightmare, reading something you wrote, unbelievably contesting something that Ed (living history of 77-2000-DS-MK) clarified in the legendary question thread, just as a good example. You always and always put MK as an incarnation of God on Earth. Everyone who was disappointed with MK must have been wrong in some way... In short, this is how you present your arguments. I always found it surreal. I apologize for my weakness, but isn't that being a fanatic? Maybe you don't realize it... You create every condition to be seen that way. I'm sorry. You are talented in taking an x-ray of a song written by MK and transcribing it. This is a significant contribution that I greatly appreciate and am grateful for. However, here on the forum, in my opinion (and I notice that I am no exception), you have solidified this image that you sometimes complain about being labeled a fanboy. I will not react to this the way Ed Bicknell reacts. Everyone has their own humor and personality. I may not be pleasant or good-natured, but I am frank, not disrespectful, and I am open to constructive criticism. I am an eternal learner. Perhaps my academic background, as a History teacher, must count a lot for me to have this perspective, and to value a historical source like people who were there, I know the value of this, the weight of the point of view of a person like Ed or Chris is of inestimable historical value compared to what any of us who are fans have to say.
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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2025, 07:59:12 AM »
Artists who behave difficult, not exactly breaking news. And Mark for sure had taken things up several notches on the difficult scale. I didn't notice it when reading it back in 92, but I recently read an interview Mark did with Guitar Player at the time, and it struck me how full of himself he sounded. Almost cocky. In the Vox interview too from that time, he comes across as pretty harsh and insensitive. Very unlike my perception of him from interviews before and after the OES era. So something was clearly up. In addition to Mark's supposedly inflated ego, his failing relationship and having second thoughts about the OES tour, it's also possible he went through a good ol' mid-life crisis. And/or male menopause; yes, it's a thing, guys. Depending on how or how hard it strikes, you can become a seriously moody bitch. I'm 48, so guess how I know. Do I defend Mark's actions? No. Was I there? No. Do I know Mark privately? No! And to my knowledge, neither did/does Chris. Does any of this matter 30 plus years later? N. O.

@peterromer - Which MK project? Nursing Home Rhymes?  ;D

Nah ;)   Do you think we have heard the last from Mr. Knopfler. I do not think so. Not regarding recordings at least.
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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2025, 09:07:39 AM »
Does any of this matter 30 plus years later? N. O.


No it doesn't. Except a lot of these peopler are doing podcasts - Pick, Manu....
I only ever comment when AMIT forum members watch the podcasts and start making stuff up or guessing the facts to excuse Mark.
If no one here commented on what happened 30 years ago, then I wouldn't either.

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2025, 09:09:35 AM »
Everyone who was disappointed with MK must have been wrong in some way...

^^ This ^^

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2025, 09:09:54 AM »
Does any of this matter 30 plus years later? N. O.


No it doesn't. Except a lot of these peopler are doing podcasts - Pick, Manu....
I only ever comment when AMIT forum members watch the podcasts and start making stuff up or guessing the facts to excuse Mark.
If no one here commented on what happened 30 years ago, then I wouldn't either.

Chris, anything from the people that has been around is priceless. Thanks for every bit you write here.
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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2025, 09:21:05 AM »
Also, it doesn't need to be about personalities.
All I ask is that people try and stick to the truth. If Manu says he didn't enjoy working with Mark, that's just a fact, for whatever reason.
Just let it go. It's when people start guessing things that Manu wasn't good enough, or is a bad tempered musician himself.
And finally, when the people who were there, who have direct experience post, don't argue the facts with them.

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2025, 09:37:25 AM »

What about John Illsley. Where was he in the whole OES tour thing.

John was just happy to be along for the ride. I didn't have much to do with John. Actually Guy, Alan and Danny were tight. Mark and John hung out together. I couldn't afford to eat at their restaurant choices and I had nothing in common to chat with them (various expensive cars, various multiple homes etc).

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Probably not. It's NEVER going to happen anyway.

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2025, 09:41:34 AM »

Even as somebody from the "opposition" camp who usually causes fights here

There is no camp, opposition or not. It's not mortal combat. It's a place to chat about a songwriter and his band.
I put value on the facts. Also, if it's another forum about a band I really like, hearing from the people who were there....in the band...or in the room.

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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2025, 10:13:02 AM »
Again, for the 80s, any DS stage wear was definitely conservative :)



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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2025, 11:36:41 AM »
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Probably not. It's NEVER going to happen anyway.

As far as we heard, looks like MK is very much nicer nowadays and probably would be kind of healer. Hal Lindes had reconneted with MK, John and Guy after his bad departure from the band and seems they had a nice time.
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Re: Grumpy Artists
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2025, 12:17:01 PM »
I’ve been part of the DS/MK online community since the early interwebs and this might be the best time to be onboard  :D anyway, it’s clear that MK was in rough shape ’92 if you just check a couple interviews from that period. I think it was pretty much common knowledge back then and up to 00s that he can be at times a difficult person to deal with.

 

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