Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition

[Rolo]

Omar telling stories about recording MFN.

[Love Expresso]

Nice, thank you. So he remembers the reason for Terry leaving were "health issues", interesting. 

Also Mark obviously didn't make him feel as a replacement but started it all again.

He doesn't look and sound like a 66y old. Cool guy.

LE

[Elin N]

I ordered the CDs from the Norwegian record store when the release date was set to 17.05. The week after that, the delivery was set to 13.06. Now it just says "unconfirmed date". I am not surprised, this seem to be normal way to serve MK -fans.. It's no big loss for me anyway, I have listend to some of the San Antonio songs on Spotify, but I think I am more a MK solo fan than a DS fan 

[Robson]

I ordered the CDs from the Norwegian record store when the release date was set to 17.05. The week after that, the delivery was set to 13.06. Now it just says "unconfirmed date". I am not surprised, this seem to be normal way to serve MK -fans.. It's no big loss for me anyway, I have listend to some of the San Antonio songs on Spotify, but I think I am more a MK solo fan than a DS fan 

June? My CD set arrived on May 23. A week after the release.

[Stiglar]

I've thought this for a while, but my theory is PB was cut because it was messy or there were mistakes etc,

I don't hear any "mistakes" at all



BTW, there is a greenie in the TOL outro, before the built up in the final solo, and it always had been here, because Alchemy was meant to be a "real" concert recording, not a polished live album (lot of discussions about this subject, OTN, etc...)... so Guy should have kept this philosophy about that gig imho

I get what you're saying, and I agree , there's no real obvious mistakes there, and it is a nice version, I just think it could've potentially sounded messy with proper clarity. audience recordings always gloss over things, Even the middle of PB when the verses/chorus' are playing is pretty messy when you hear it in full quality, Where as you can't completely tell on that bootleg. compare it to the MFN (original) version of PB for instance which is edited and way more polished.

Again, I would've loved to have heard the full PB , it's weird that they left on things like Industrial Disease and Twisting by the pool, when they're pretty messy, and left that off,

I think there's a middle ground between the soulessness of OTN and something super raw , I just think a bit of editing would've made a big difference on some of it and potentially got PB on the compilation. I don't really listen to the new tracks of alchemy because they're a bit too raw to me, I'm thinking guy felt the same about that outro for whatever reason.

In summary - I agree, I think he should've left it on! But I understand a little bit why.

[Ingrained]

I've thought this for a while, but my theory is PB was cut because it was messy or there were mistakes etc,

I don't hear any "mistakes" at all



BTW, there is a greenie in the TOL outro, before the built up in the final solo, and it always had been here, because Alchemy was meant to be a "real" concert recording, not a polished live album (lot of discussions about this subject, OTN, etc...)... so Guy should have kept this philosophy about that gig imho

I get what you're saying, and I agree , there's no real obvious mistakes there, and it is a nice version, I just think it could've potentially sounded messy with proper clarity. audience recordings always gloss over things, Even the middle of PB when the verses/chorus' are playing is pretty messy when you hear it in full quality, Where as you can't completely tell on that bootleg. compare it to the MFN (original) version of PB for instance which is edited and way more polished.

Again, I would've loved to have heard the full PB , it's weird that they left on things like Industrial Disease and Twisting by the pool, when they're pretty messy, and left that off,

I think there's a middle ground between the soulessness of OTN and something super raw , I just think a bit of editing would've made a big difference on some of it and potentially got PB on the compilation. I don't really listen to the new tracks of alchemy because they're a bit too raw to me, I'm thinking guy felt the same about that outro for whatever reason.

In summary - I agree, I think he should've left it on! But I understand a little bit why.

It’s not messy to me on the bootleg. I think they were trying to recreate the vibe of Portobello Market in the 70’s with the different mix of musical styles intermixing, blending in an outdoor setting, which we are more accustomed to nowadays with festivals and constant music from shops etc as well. But maybe it was trying to recreate that eclectic mix of street music outside, all blending into each other at times, with things interacting and sounding lively. That’s what I like picturing about it when I listen to the bootleg.

[dmg]

It was just endless jamming and noodling without any musical value. Disn't even like the shortened version, let alone the far too long one. Good job by Guy.

LE

Totally agree here.  Love the studio version, but the live version was simply to highlight Mel Collins and give him something to do - nothing more.  Always a skipper for me.  It may have been okay if you were at the show - give you a chance for a pee break - but not the sort of track I find an easy listen at home.  That repetitive back and forth between Mark and Mel drives me nuts!

And I do detect something at around 8:52-8:57 where a note sounds a little off and the sax interrupts Mark and they are out of synch.

[superval99]

It was just endless jamming and noodling without any musical value. Disn't even like the shortened version, let alone the far too long one. Good job by Guy.

LE

Totally agree here.  Love the studio version, but the live version was simply to highlight Mel Collins and give him something to do - nothing more.  Always a skipper for me.  It may have been okay if you were at the show - give you a chance for a pee break - but not the sort of track I find an easy listen at home.  That repetitive back and forth between Mark and Mel drives me nuts!

And I do detect something at around 8:52-8:57 where a note sounds a little off and the sax interrupts Mark and they are out of synch.

It did nothing for me either - much too messy.   I liked the Rainbow version though. 

[Love Expresso]

It was just endless jamming and noodling without any musical value. Disn't even like the shortened version, let alone the far too long one. Good job by Guy.

LE

Totally agree here.  Love the studio version, but the live version was simply to highlight Mel Collins and give him something to do - nothing more.  Always a skipper for me.  It may have been okay if you were at the show - give you a chance for a pee break - but not the sort of track I find an easy listen at home.  That repetitive back and forth between Mark and Mel drives me nuts!

And I do detect something at around 8:52-8:57 where a note sounds a little off and the sax interrupts Mark and they are out of synch.

It did nothing for me either - much too messy.   I liked the Rainbow version though.

Oh yes! I loved that one! Sounded so fresh. Very nice guitar work on that version. Highly recommended, easily the best track from the Rainbow Show from my point of view.

LE

[Elin N]

Nice surprise this morning; the 3 CD edition was in my mailbox. It was surprising since the reply from direstraits.com was that they didn't know if it would be back in stock, and then suddenly the Norwegian store sent it.

In the liner note, I spotted an "Englified"  Swedish word. I was like smorgasbord?..Ah, smørgåsbord! It can be translated to "rich buffé" (can't it? I bet there are Swedes here to confirm)

[dustyvalentino]

When I was in Sweden I was told that only two Swedish words have been assimilated into the English language, one was smorgasbord and the other was ombudsman

[nv1]

Nice, thank you. So he remembers the reason for Terry leaving were "health issues", interesting. 

Also Mark obviously didn't make him feel as a replacement but started it all again.

He doesn't look and sound like a 66y old. Cool guy.

LE

Interestingly Terry Williams had something different to say... He basically said he wasn't happy with his playing on the record six weeks in after listening to some songs. Because he felt that the click tracks they were using hindered his natural feel. His disappointment rubbed off on Mark and they let him go.

Neil Dorfsman had something else to say though, that he felt the drums were an issue. And took it to himself to tell Terry that his parts weren't there yet and sent him home... Oddly enough, Neil does not remember a click track either.

Conflicting information as you can tell. So who knows??

By the way, Terry's whole drum fills were left intact from his drum take while Omar did a straight beat.

[mariosboss]

Omar telling stories about recording MFN.

WOW!

Interesting that Omar states that Terry Williams had to get shipped back to England to deal with health issues. Wowzers. I've never heard that line before in 40 years.

Of course I get that Omar may have not been told the full factual version (although he probably should know what went down first because he was then trying to improve the drums from the previous takes etc.) or Omar is being a gentleman and is genuinely trying to cover for his counterpart, after all, as Chris Whitton has mentioned it can be a tough gig replacing the bands original drummer as a session musician. However i'm sure Terry has told the story of meeting Omar on the runway when he was heading home and Omar was arriving to re-record the drums and that there were no hard feelings etc.

Anyone in the know clued up on the deal? It's funny because Terry dealt with the subsequent tours extremely well. I appreciate at that time bands like Def Leppard amongst others used programmed drumming, not even bringing in session musicians. It's a fascinating period.

[mariosboss]

Nice, thank you. So he remembers the reason for Terry leaving were "health issues", interesting. 

Also Mark obviously didn't make him feel as a replacement but started it all again.

He doesn't look and sound like a 66y old. Cool guy.

LE

Ah sorry, just seen that you also asked that Terry Williams question regarding "health issues."

[mariosboss]

Nice, thank you. So he remembers the reason for Terry leaving were "health issues", interesting. 

Also Mark obviously didn't make him feel as a replacement but started it all again.

He doesn't look and sound like a 66y old. Cool guy.

LE

Interestingly Terry Williams had something different to say... He basically said he wasn't happy with his playing on the record six weeks in after listening to some songs. Because he felt that the click tracks they were using hindered his natural feel. His disappointment rubbed off on Mark and they let him go.

Neil Dorfsman had something else to say though, that he felt the drums were an issue. And took it to himself to tell Terry that his parts weren't there yet and sent him home... Oddly enough, Neil does not remember a click track either.

Conflicting information as you can tell. So who knows??

By the way, Terry's whole drum fills were left intact from his drum take while Omar did a straight beat.

Interesting last line. Do you mean just for the drum solo part at the start of MFN or throughout the whole song? So for example at 2'49 there is a fill before the line about "the little f...." as well as various other fills.