A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: JF on March 20, 2025, 11:49:39 AM
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FNAC annonced a Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition to be released in may 20255
with the San Antonio concert in bonus
just few infos yet
vinyle version, 3CD version, Boxset ...
jsut saw it on a FB group, can't find the Fnac link yet
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I will be dead then for 18000 years
LE
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https://www.fnac.com/a21409978/Dire-Straits-Brothers-In-Arms-Edition-Limitee-CD-album#omnsearchpos=8
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I currently own:
2 x original West Germany CD (one spare as this is the best sounding version)
1 x 1996 remaster
1 x 2005 remaster/SACD
1 x original vinyl
1 x 2LP vinyl remaster
Have previously owned cassette and VHS versions.
Guess I'm buying again.
"That old cow, she wasn't milking anyhow..."
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I'm a bit dissapointed is San Antonio what's included and not Wembley, I think that was a far better concert but I guess that's what they found so, it's ok they are doing something anyway!
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So can we expect an official live album from the BIA tour? That's a big joy! :)
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I currently own:
2 x original West Germany CD (one spare as this is the best sounding version)
1 x 1996 remaster
1 x 2005 remaster/SACD
1 x original vinyl
1 x 2LP vinyl remaster
Have previously owned cassette and VHS versions.
Guess I'm buying again.
"That old cow, she wasn't milking anyhow..."
Exactly my list and yes, the same here!
LE
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FNAC annonced a Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition to be released in may 20255
with the San Antonio concert in bonus
just few infos yet
vinyle version, 3CD version, Boxset ...
jsut saw it on a FB group, can't find the Fnac link yet
MUST....HAVE.....
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wonder how the "official" rec. will compare to the gazillion boots i have from that show.
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I'm a bit dissapointed is San Antonio what's included and not Wembley, I think that was a far better concert but I guess that's what they found so, it's ok they are doing something anyway!
yes indeed. At the now famous question "where are the tapes?" we can guess these are the only ones they found... :think
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I'm a bit dissapointed is San Antonio what's included and not Wembley, I think that was a far better concert but I guess that's what they found so, it's ok they are doing something anyway!
yes indeed. At the now famous question "where are the tapes?" we can guess these are the only ones they found... :think
If I had to bet I would had gone for Wembley as it's known it was recorded multitracks with the Rolling Stones Mobile, but considering what Ed say about the big chances tapes are lost or erased, probably they just found that via Westwood archives...
Best thing it's it would be properly mixing in comparation with the bootlegs.
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Let's hope for an as complete release as possible. It would be the first official Ride Across The River Live which alone would make me buy it.
LE
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That means no video... I would have loved a Wembley blu-ray. We have some of the songs of the official YT channel, but they never released 2 of the very best, TOL and BIA! :disbelief
Yes, I wonder what the quality will be. At least I hope it will be properly mixed. We'll still miss SFA, TMTS, YLT, ID....
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Let's hope for an as complete release as possible. It would be the first official Ride Across The River Live which alone would make me buy it.
LE
And Why Worry too. Yes, I know it was on Real Live Roadrunning :)
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link for the vinyle edition : https://www.fnac.com/a21409980/Dire-Straits-Brothers-In-Arms-Edition-Limitee-Coffret-Vinyle-album
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I also guess this means we will never get an official Wembley 85 release. :-[
LE
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San Antonio was already official on DS Youtube Music channel.
Again, nothing new.
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mclTlLfWbBnvSUG7GMPGoAK33uRhr0Uuw
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link for the vinyle edition : https://www.fnac.com/a21409980/Dire-Straits-Brothers-In-Arms-Edition-Limitee-Coffret-Vinyle-album
109 euros is taking the piss.
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https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/dire-straits-brothers-in-arms-sde-exclusive-blu-ray-audio/
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Very glad it is being acknowledged, though personally disappointed when the San Antonia show is on my shelf in double CD in great quality - so the set offers nothing new for me at all. I really hoped the live show would be something not already freely available on CD - and also concert footage. Ah well.
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Official page: https://store.direstraits.com/product-category/bia-40/
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official teaser :
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BoMivFsCJ/
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Walk of life
https://youtu.be/i61VqRlcQ3k
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Sounds great!
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Walk of life
https://youtu.be/i61VqRlcQ3k
Compared with bootlegs, Mark's voice is much better (not metallic sound). So we have some improvements vs Wolfgang's and other bootlegs.
Guitar is more present.
Some drums details not present on bootlegs.
So YES, NEW MIX!
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Five separate nixes on the blu-ray...
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Five separate nixes on the blu-ray...
When i saw “blu-ray edition” I was hoping for video of one of the shows, say Wembley ‘85 to be on there seeing as they’ve been drip feeding the videos on the youtube channel, but alas, it’s just 5 different audio mixes which seems like overkill to me.
I’ve pre+ordered the 3cd edition. So excited for this!
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Wow. Cool news. I have ordered that deluxe-vinyl-version. The San Antonio-gig is pretty cool and i´m sure it offers a very good sound. As far as i know, there was an US-radioshow on 4-discs, wich is also in my collection with the San Antonio-gig included. So i need some more space on my record-shelf for another BIA variant. That album is it worth to be existent on a special edition. :thumbsup
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Walk of life
https://youtu.be/i61VqRlcQ3k
At least they got the right San Antonio, and not any of the wrongly labelled ones that are Houston...
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WoL sounds great. Just blasted it in the car via Apple Music and it’s made me excited for the full release!
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Looking forward to hear this full show in this mix.
This also explains why there was no BiA show in the Live 1978-92 box.
Really happy to have also an official BiA release in my collection now!!
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Ordered the 5LP-Box. Comes a couple of days before my birthday. Looking forward to it. Tunnel Of Love takes one side alone. :D
LE
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Walk of life
https://youtu.be/i61VqRlcQ3k
Compared with bootlegs, Mark's voice is much better (not metallic sound). So we have some improvements vs Wolfgang's and other bootlegs.
Guitar is more present.
Some drums details not present on bootlegs.
So YES, NEW MIX!
Remember that...
The Legends Series - Brothers In Arms from 2022 has the following set-list on the USB drive. Basically, maybe the company has Wembley and Sydney with perfect sound quality, like this new San Antonio '85.
If any has this USB release, please check if it is the same mix than this new release.
It is a mix between San Antonio, Wembley and Sydney better recordings available from pre-fm sources.
01 Ride across the river
02 Expresso love
03 One world
04 Romeo and Juliet
05 Industrial disease
06 So far away - Calypso
07 Private investigations
08 Sultans of swing
09 Why worry
10 Your latest trick
11 Walk of life
12 The man's too strong
13 Two young lovers
14 Money for nothing
15 Wild west end
16 Tunnel of love
17 Brothers in arms
18 Solid rock - with Nils Lofgren
19 Hank Marvin introduction
20 Going home
Tracks 01-04, 13-16: San Antonio, Majestic Theatre 16th August 1985
Tracks 05-06, 10: Sydney, Entertainment Center 26th April 1986
Track 07-09, 11-12, 17-20: London, Wembley Arena 10th July 1985
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Just listened to the mix of WoL. Sounds really top quality - very glad that they managed to locate the masters for this mix. Also from Guy's forum it looks as though he also had access to the Houston show; this one has been released recently on 'radio show' release so I am not really fussed about missing that.
The instrumentals on the Blu Ray sound interesting. Wonder if they would be made available in stereo. Hmmm.
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Walk of life
https://youtu.be/i61VqRlcQ3k
Compared with bootlegs, Mark's voice is much better (not metallic sound). So we have some improvements vs Wolfgang's and other bootlegs.
Guitar is more present.
Some drums details not present on bootlegs.
So YES, NEW MIX!
Remember that...
The Legends Series - Brothers In Arms from 2022 has the following set-list on the USB drive. Basically, maybe the company has Wembley and Sydney with perfect sound quality, like this new San Antonio '85.
If any has this USB release, please check if it is the same mix than this new release.
It is a mix between San Antonio, Wembley and Sydney better recordings available from pre-fm sources.
01 Ride across the river
02 Expresso love
03 One world
04 Romeo and Juliet
05 Industrial disease
06 So far away - Calypso
07 Private investigations
08 Sultans of swing
09 Why worry
10 Your latest trick
11 Walk of life
12 The man's too strong
13 Two young lovers
14 Money for nothing
15 Wild west end
16 Tunnel of love
17 Brothers in arms
18 Solid rock - with Nils Lofgren
19 Hank Marvin introduction
20 Going home
Tracks 01-04, 13-16: San Antonio, Majestic Theatre 16th August 1985
Tracks 05-06, 10: Sydney, Entertainment Center 26th April 1986
Track 07-09, 11-12, 17-20: London, Wembley Arena 10th July 1985
Jules has it, he made it!
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Wow, this is something. If Guy has been able to work his wonders the way he did with the live box set, this is truly good news. Imagine the sales numbers if they had released this in 1986/7 ...
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This set would be great, but they advertise it as San Antonio only, how to be sure that it is a combo?
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This set would be great, but they advertise it as San Antonio only, how to be sure that it is a combo?
According to Guy this is why they choose San Antonio
Yes, it’s recently mixed by me. San Antonio was chosen because the recording was better, technically. There were some room issues on the Houston show – it just didn’t sound as good.
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And Wembley? The best of the 3!
RIP SFA, TMTS, ID...
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And Wembley? The best of the 3!
RIP SFA, TMTS, ID...
Don't you think that if they could have used and released Wembley, they would have done it?
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Well, they have it, partially. They have released parts of it on the official YT channel. Sadly, no BIA nor TOL yet!
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Walk of Life (Live in San Antonio) is on spotify today as a 'single'.
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This set would be great, but they advertise it as San Antonio only, how to be sure that it is a combo?
Thats a previous 2022 release, i think together with that expensive mini replica dobro guitar. Maybe its the same mix as 2022?
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I bet Guy cut the full TOL as he did with PB :-X Let's hope its the full version...
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I bet Guy cut the full TOL as he did with PB :-X Let's hope its the full version...
I have the same question with Wild West End :)
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I bet Guy cut the full TOL as he did with PB :-X Let's hope its the full version...
I have good hopes it will be a full TOL version also because its 1 Side of the vinyl set.
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on bootleg, TOL length is almost 19 min (including 20s of applause)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgZy7KVOUM8
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I bet Guy cut the full TOL as he did with PB :-X Let's hope its the full version...
I have good hopes it will be a full TOL version also because its 1 Side of the vinyl set.
It says: The 3CD deluxe box features the full studio album and a previously unreleased full-length live concert from the band’s Municipal Auditorium, San Antonio tour stop in 1985.
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YES !
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Listening to WOL on Apple Music (lossless) now and the mix is amazing! It’s a new mix for sure, there is more depth, love it!
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Listening to WOL on Apple Music (lossless) now and the mix is amazing! It’s a new mix for sure, there is more depth, love it!
The different from the bootlegs is very noticeable which makes me want to hear the whole thing.
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I'm a bit dissapointed is San Antonio what's included and not Wembley, I think that was a far better concert but I guess that's what they found so, it's ok they are doing something anyway!
yes indeed. At the now famous question "where are the tapes?" we can guess these are the only ones they found... :think
If I had to bet I would had gone for Wembley as it's known it was recorded multitracks with the Rolling Stones Mobile, but considering what Ed say about the big chances tapes are lost or erased, probably they just found that via Westwood archives...
Best thing it's it would be properly mixing in comparation with the bootlegs.
There are a few 'rough edges' in the Wembley show so I would be guessing the San Antonio is more suitable. Back then Mark was playing great and most shows could be released without editing. The Wembley '85 show, though filmed, did have a few 'rough edges' and wasn't even the whole show. By the time of the NA leg they were all playing somewhat tighter and the arrangements were that little bit more polished.
San Antonio represents Mark and the band at their absolute peak and I'm glad they've chosen this show. All the highlights are great versions!
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on bootleg, TOL length is almost 19 min (including 20s of applause)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgZy7KVOUM8
One of the very best versions - gold standard. Makes Alchemy sound like it's played by an amateur.
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on bootleg, TOL length is almost 19 min (including 20s of applause)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgZy7KVOUM8
One of the very best versions - gold standard. Makes Alchemy sound like it's played by an amateur.
It is absolutely great of course, but I disagree with the Alchemy version sounding like being played by an amateur. Alchemy is not less well played, it is just simpler, shorter, more straight to the point, and some people prefer it that way.
I'm also quite fond of the '92 version we've got on the 2023 live box. Maybe also simpler and shorter than 85, but very touching.
Is there any bad version of TOL anyway?
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on bootleg, TOL length is almost 19 min (including 20s of applause)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgZy7KVOUM8
One of the very best versions - gold standard. Makes Alchemy sound like it's played by an amateur.
It is absolutely great of course, but I disagree with the Alchemy version sounding like being played by an amateur. Alchemy is not less well played, it is just simpler, shorter, more straight to the point, and some people prefer it that way.
I'm also quite fond of the '92 version we've got on the 2023 live box. Maybe also simpler and shorter than 85, but very touching.
Is there any bad version of TOL anyway?
Well, I didn't mean it literally, however I've always thought Mark had progressed a large amount as a guitarist between the LOG tour and the BIA tour.
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The arrangements are more polished on the BIA tour than on the LOG tour, but I'm quite convinced Mark could have performed them same earlier, had he wanted to. His was already a guitar god in 1978.
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I actually find BIA better played in Wembley than in San Antonio. Some notes are missing in the latter...
I also find TOL overall better in Wembley.
The Wembley show has this unique atmosphere... Maybe it is the video.
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https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/dire-straits-brothers-in-arms-sde-exclusive-blu-ray-audio/
Ah yes the Bluray & 3CD edition will be fine.....
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Five separate nixes on the blu-ray...
Goes without saying, that is the medium to purchase!
https://www.thesdeshop.com/products/dire-straits-brothers-in-arms-bundle-blu-ray-3cd-deluxe
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Like many others here, I have BiA over and over again. Even have it on the short lived Sony dual disc format with Chuck's 2.0 and 5.1 mix on DVD-A. That and the more recent Atmos release are the only worthwhile mixes chasing down, as they're from the multi tracks and not the same two channel mix that has been re-issued to death.
It's not the live show that's a bummer - it's the fact that we get that instead of anything studio recorded that is unreleased. Alternate takes...outtakes...even instrumental...nothing...nada. I can give many examples of other artists where at least when they release an anniversary edition, they include something unreleased. But never for DS. :lol
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I bet Guy cut the full TOL as he did with PB :-X Let's hope its the full version...
I have the same question with Wild West End :)
Spotify shows the running time for ToL: 19:26 and for WWE: 9:16.
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I bet Guy cut the full TOL as he did with PB :-X Let's hope its the full version...
I have the same question with Wild West End :)
Spotify shows the running time for ToL: 19:26 and for WWE: 9:16.
Nice!!
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I realized only now that there will be a repress of the single-LP original vinyl edition with the abridged versions. I wonder how well that one will sell. I bet it will no way sound better than the early german pressings I have got.
LE
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Really happy with the live show! I mostly listen to the 2.0 mix from Chuck these days, it's phenomenal! As long as Mark has the final word, I think there's no chance of getting outtakes or alternative takes.
It's been discussed many times, also by Ed, but it still makes you wonder what more is in the vaults ;D
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I am very happy about this release, to have a remixed live show from the Brothers in Arms tour is amazing :clap
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I'm repeating myself, but the way he plays rhythm on WOL and many other songs is so unique. Underrated skill compared to everything else he's praised for IMHO.
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As of right now, this release on Amazon UK
#5 in CD's & Vinyl
#1 in Blues Rocck
#1 in Box sets (CD's & Vinyl)
So, it has a lot of interest, and look like being a popular release.
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Like many others here, I have BiA over and over again. Even have it on the short lived Sony dual disc format with Chuck's 2.0 and 5.1 mix on DVD-A. That and the more recent Atmos release are the only worthwhile mixes chasing down, as they're from the multi tracks and not the same two channel mix that has been re-issued to death.
It's not the live show that's a bummer - it's the fact that we get that instead of anything studio recorded that is unreleased. Alternate takes...outtakes...even instrumental...nothing...nada. I can give many examples of other artists where at least when they release an anniversary edition, they include something unreleased. But never for DS. :lol
Great to hear from you! Hope you are well :)
11 years since our beers in NYC and I haven't been back :(
Ed has said that there wasn't anything extra to release from the sessions... the fact that they used Walk of Life, arguably the most commercial song on the record, as a B side of the first single, bears this out...
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Really happy with the live show! I mostly listen to the 2.0 mix from Chuck these days, it's phenomenal! As long as Mark has the final word, I think there's no chance of getting outtakes or alternative takes.
It's been discussed many times, also by Ed, but it still makes you wonder what more is in the vaults ;D
The 2005 mix is compressed to hell and pales in comparison to the original 85 era CDs (IMO!)
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I realized only now that there will be a repress of the single-LP original vinyl edition with the abridged versions. I wonder how well that one will sell. I bet it will no way sound better than the early german pressings I have got.
LE
The thing you have to remember is that Brothers in Arms was an obscure album that sold very little on original release, so those original LPs are very hard to come by now because so few were made in the first place.
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I realized only now that there will be a repress of the single-LP original vinyl edition with the abridged versions. I wonder how well that one will sell. I bet it will no way sound better than the early german pressings I have got.
LE
The thing you have to remember is that Brothers in Arms was an obscure album that sold very little on original release, so those original LPs are very hard to come by now because so few were made in the first place.
Ok :lol :hmm
I meant that since the complete versions are also available on vinyl, there should be no demand for the abridged versions. Original repress I get, but it will probably done by GZ Media anyway, so...
LE
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Is there a hearing difference between the 1985 CD Stereo Mix (96/24) on Blu-Ray and the CD version which comes with the 3CD Deluxe?
I'm not sure whether or not i should buy the Blu-ray as i don't have a Dolby Atmos system.
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Better buy it. You will probably have one in the nearer future. Also you are a fan and a collector, aren't you? ;D
LE
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Better buy it. You will probably have one in the nearer future. Also you are a fan and a collector, aren't you? ;D
LE
I'm not a fan :lol
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Better buy it. You will probably have one in the nearer future. Also you are a fan and a collector, aren't you? ;D
LE
I'm not a fan :lol
I'm with LE, the bluray editions are very limited and if in the future it happens you have how to play them, you will regret not buying it when it came out.
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I really don't know how to express this because I already know the answer.
Although I expected an anniversary edition and I am somewhat happy with this, and the live addition seems to be a nice choice that echoes the wishes of many fans, even AMITers - if I remember correctly, I find it quite expensive. 110 Euros for the LP version! Buying 2/5 of the same again and again. Maybe put the instrumental version in these two vinyl discs / CD , instead. I don't know if the instrumental versions are going to be good for repeated listens, but at least they will be something new and different. I mean it was created for fans, since regular music aficionados will not go for an expensive edition with a concert, and even them already have choices of the standard BiA to chose from. So on the 50th anniversary which is a more round number, of half a century, we will be given the multi track and the chance to mix it ourselves...
And the peculiar thing is that I am going to buy, and probably listen to it once, because I already have listened to them both so many times I rarely even play the records as it is.
I would love to take the philosophical route, but I guess they know what they are doing with fomo and beads.
Yes, I know I am nagging for trivial things and the answer is choices. And they are a business so they have to do such things. This is why it is hard to express this.
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The instrumental version will be good to hear (once).
I'll also be interested to see what the 1985 mix on the blu-ray sounds like. The original low volume CD sounds great but I can't help feeling they will be tempted to brickwall it...
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40 years... blimey... I feel old today.
"Colour TV's"...
:lol
LE
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The instrumental version will be good to hear (once).
I'll also be interested to see what the 1985 mix on the blu-ray sounds like. The original low volume CD sounds great but I can't help feeling they will be tempted to brickwall it...
The dvd-audio version that went out early 2000's together with the SACD was awesome. The best 5.1 surround mix of everything they released, far superior than the STP and SL ones.
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The instrumental version will be good to hear (once).
I'll also be interested to see what the 1985 mix on the blu-ray sounds like. The original low volume CD sounds great but I can't help feeling they will be tempted to brickwall it...
The dvd-audio version that went out early 2000's together with the SACD was awesome. The best 5.1 surround mix of everything they released, far superior than the STP and SL ones.
It won the grammy, for whatever that's worth.
At the Christies auction they were playing the Atmos mix of the MFN compilation, would be great to have a blu-ray of that as well.
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The instrumental version will be good to hear (once).
I'll also be interested to see what the 1985 mix on the blu-ray sounds like. The original low volume CD sounds great but I can't help feeling they will be tempted to brickwall it...
The dvd-audio version that went out early 2000's together with the SACD was awesome. The best 5.1 surround mix of everything they released, far superior than the STP and SL ones.
It won the grammy, for whatever that's worth.
At the Christies auction they were playing the Atmos mix of the MFN compilation, would be great to have a blu-ray of that as well.
I didn't like the Atmos version played at Christies... It sounded static to me, while the dvd-audio 5.1 sounded like sounds moving around me. The Atmos was curious as some sounds were coming from a certain speaker and so on, but I didn't feel like the sound was moving around me, while the previous did that effect.
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Regarding this BIA edition, it's great they finally release a live concert of that tour officially, despite it's one very well known by fans as it was bootleged years ago, but it would be new for many people, so glad for them.
Reading Guy's forum, I'm not sure if they didn't found the full Wembley audio or if they did and the quality wasn't good enough, but the Wembley full audio would had been something new, despite we have more than 90' of it already.
They could had release BIA again without anything so, this is good in the end, but feels a bit sad that they had to found the live material guided by fans that told Guy in his forum where to find it.
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I bet Guy cut the full TOL as he did with PB :-X Let's hope its the full version...
I have the same question with Wild West End :)
Spotify shows the running time for ToL: 19:26 and for WWE: 9:16.
:thumbsup Great:)
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I'm pleased that they are re-releasing this but I'm struggling with a pre order on the vinyl at this price point. I bought the live box set but mainly listen to this on Spotify, and as I'm only really buying it for the San Anontio concert for the moment I've gone for the 3CD release and Blu Ray bundle. This kind of seems fitting as the whole idea of this album is that it is a DDD release.
Having said all of this I'm sure I will buckle and buy the vinyl too though would like to see what quality is like. The MFN pressing was total crap but the last box set was pretty good. The marketeers will in all likelihood get their way with me.
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This guy sums up the current state of the "vinyl revival" pretty well IMO:
https://louderthanwar.com/the-great-vinyl-record-buying-swindle-unexpurgated-version/
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This guy sums up the current state of the "vinyl revival" pretty well IMO:
https://louderthanwar.com/the-great-vinyl-record-buying-swindle-unexpurgated-version/
All true and well known, and to me it's understandable... vinyl was nearly dead, plants died and now the demand is heavily increasing... a couple of billion more people on earth since the 70's.
That's why I mostly buy records from the 70's, 80's and 90's used on a regular base. But this is DS/MK. It is almost a "question of honour" to buy it. I want to have it. I will buy the CD later probably anyway. The Live Box was indeed very well produced so there is always a chance.
LE
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I know some fans are disapointed about the San Antonio bonus release. Ok its a wellknown bootleg just like Houston, Wembley or Sydney. At least we got now an official release of the BiA tour. I am looking forward to hear the full new mix of the show. A lot of fans were disapointed when the previous Live box didnt include a BiA show now we got an official live release and still people are complaining I really don’t get it.
Be happy that we get those live releases and enjoy it as much as possible.
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I know some fans are disapointed about the San Antonio bonus release. Ok its a wellknown bootleg just like Houston, Wembley or Sydney. At least we got now an official release of the BiA tour. I am looking forward to hear the full new mix of the show. A lot of fans were disapointed when the previous Live box didnt include a BiA show now we got an official live release and still people are complaining I really don’t get it.
Be happy that we get those live releases and enjoy it as much as possible.
I hardly saw any complaints? Au contraire, even dmg was pleased, which means something. ;D
LE
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Yeah didn't see any complaints, and feedback on the teaser Walk of Life seem to have been positive.
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I know some fans are disapointed about the San Antonio bonus release. Ok its a wellknown bootleg just like Houston, Wembley or Sydney. At least we got now an official release of the BiA tour. I am looking forward to hear the full new mix of the show. A lot of fans were disapointed when the previous Live box didnt include a BiA show now we got an official live release and still people are complaining I really don’t get it.
Be happy that we get those live releases and enjoy it as much as possible.
I love that we have this released, but i have always wanted video, not just audio...
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Now I'm going to complain :) Walk Of Life from the on every street tour I liked better :)
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Currently the Blu Ray audio is too expensive for me for what it is.
I will only buy the San Antone live edition on CD and I will be happy with it (of course waiting for the next live release).
BTW apparently this even include a free version of the BIA studio album.
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Checked Guy's forum and he was asked which vinyl version for the 2LP in the 5LP Box was precicely used, Back to Black or Abbey Road, and he quoted the press release, wrong. Not a big deal, but gives me the impression that he might be not TOO interested in this release himself. Just a job to do, not exactly excited?
LE
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I actually find BIA better played in Wembley than in San Antonio. Some notes are missing in the latter...
I also find TOL overall better in Wembley.
The Wembley show has this unique atmosphere... Maybe it is the video.
I disagree about BIA although there isn't much in it.
TOL is much better in SA and uncut. I'm astonished anyone would argue otherwise.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
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I know some fans are disapointed about the San Antonio bonus release. Ok its a wellknown bootleg just like Houston, Wembley or Sydney. At least we got now an official release of the BiA tour. I am looking forward to hear the full new mix of the show. A lot of fans were disapointed when the previous Live box didnt include a BiA show now we got an official live release and still people are complaining I really don’t get it.
Be happy that we get those live releases and enjoy it as much as possible.
I hardly saw any complaints? Au contraire, even dmg was pleased, which means something. ;D
LE
Hey! [Much fist waving] :lol
Actually I'm really excited by this and think they've chosen exactly the right show for release. The only mistake I could spot in this show is a little misunderstanding at the very end of RATR between Mark and Chris, but you'd never know unless you knew how they usually end the song. It's a great show with all the solos nailed and the main songs with great versions.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
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I wonder if MK will do some interviews with the release in may??
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
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I'll change my point of view about my "complains" about something "new".
I checked the DS's Spotify and YT channels and, to be fair, for a regular+ fan perspective, whats its being released, is very good indeed.
The Honky Tonk demos.
The long waited full Alchemy concert with Industrial Desease, Twisting By The Pool and Portobello Belle.
The whole recorded songs for On The Night.
The Rainbow Concert which is completey new. And with Phil on couple os songs is pure gold.
Now the Brothers In Arms 40th aniversary with the San Antonio live concert.... Very good indeed.
The DS website is very cool and fun.
On the YouTube channel have plenty of material that could be "too much" for a fisical release. However, suits very well for YouTube or "almost official" release. There are interviews, concerts and songs from 1978 until 1992.
MK's Youtube channel releases a lot of material. Live compilations for all possible tours. Interviews, NHB...
And I'm sure that will have plenty of "new" material waiting to see the sun thru the DS/MK's YT channel.
To a die-hard fan perspective, nothing of this, except the Rainbow Concert, are new for many of us.
We deal with bootlegs since forever and there is nothing really, really new for us.
Maybe the 'Italian Collector' could have some never-listened material that could surprise even Ed himself. However, this kind of material have a very strict audience and, yes, does not fit for a 'official release'.
To my perpective, these very rare material suits best for exclusively circulation.
Some of us dream about things that, at the moment doesn't have real commercial value. For those things, I bet they will be at YouTube at some point.
After this "research", In my opinion, there is nothing to complain.
For my taste, Alchemy decreased his "power" with the include of these songs (except Portobello)
Some songs like Fade To Black, to me, should have kept out.
To be fair, DS is on the right path.
Except that it does not communicate with the new audience anymore.
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I know some fans are disapointed about the San Antonio bonus release. Ok its a wellknown bootleg just like Houston, Wembley or Sydney. At least we got now an official release of the BiA tour. I am looking forward to hear the full new mix of the show. A lot of fans were disapointed when the previous Live box didnt include a BiA show now we got an official live release and still people are complaining I really don’t get it.
Be happy that we get those live releases and enjoy it as much as possible.
I hardly saw any complaints? Au contraire, even dmg was pleased, which means something. ;D
LE
Hey! [Much fist waving] :lol
Actually I'm really excited by this and think they've chosen exactly the right show for release. The only mistake I could spot in this show is a little misunderstanding at the very end of RATR between Mark and Chris, but you'd never know unless you knew how they usually end the song. It's a great show with all the solos nailed and the main songs with great versions.
On RATR I hope Guy has fixed the flute levels on this. In the mix on the bootlegs the volume is almost non existent of Chris White. Hope this is just a levels issue rather than a faulty mic issue... even though Guy says SA is better than Houston technically in terms of recording
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There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York. :)
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Someone on Guy’s forum asked him about the multi-tracks for San Antonio, and if they’d also found the multi-tracks for the Wembley show and he replied “I can’t comment on the Wembley show”.
I read that as “yes, but I can’t announce that”. I may be wrong. But it wasn’t a “no”. Fingers crossed…..
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Someone on Guy’s forum asked him about the multi-tracks for San Antonio, and if they’d also found the multi-tracks for the Wembley show and he replied “I can’t comment on the Wembley show”.
I read that as “yes, but I can’t announce that”. I may be wrong. But it wasn’t a “no”. Fingers crossed…..
50/50...
BTW the Wembley show was also aired on radio so this is not only The Tube TV channel but also the D.I.R. Radio Network that may have multitrack audio tapes (and then sold to Wolfgang's).
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Someone on Guy’s forum asked him about the multi-tracks for San Antonio, and if they’d also found the multi-tracks for the Wembley show and he replied “I can’t comment on the Wembley show”.
I read that as “yes, but I can’t announce that”. I may be wrong. But it wasn’t a “no”. Fingers crossed…..
50/50...
BTW the Wembley show was also aired on radio so this is not only The Tube TV channel but also the D.I.R. Radio Network that may have multitrack audio tapes (and then sold to Wolfgang's).
Someone on Guys forum asked why not a Blu-Ray of Wembley and he replied
It’s hard to make a blu-ray of something that wasn’t recorded properly. As far as I’m aware the multitrack of this event is either not in existence or unavailable.
So i guess we can not expect a full official recording of Wembley
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There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York. :)
To be a choice is needed that was professionally recorded.
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There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York. :)
To be a choice is needed that was professionally recorded.
Yes, yes, I know. It's just a dream ;)
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I've enjoyed the San Antonio bootleg for years, actually a bit of a treat for me that this one got "the treatment." It's just a really fun performance, and the Walk Of Life mix is fabulous. Mark's guitar is cranked!
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There is also a bootleg from a concert two weeks before San Antonio. I believe it was called American tour 1985. Live at Cuyahoga Falls august 5.
Also a good one
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
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I'll change my point of view about my "complains" about something "new".
I checked the DS's Spotify and YT channels and, to be fair, for a regular+ fan perspective, whats its being released, is very good indeed.
The Honky Tonk demos.
The long waited full Alchemy concert with Industrial Desease, Twisting By The Pool and Portobello Belle.
The whole recorded songs for On The Night.
The Rainbow Concert which is completey new. And with Phil on couple os songs is pure gold.
Now the Brothers In Arms 40th aniversary with the San Antonio live concert.... Very good indeed.
The DS website is very cool and fun.
On the YouTube channel have plenty of material that could be "too much" for a fisical release. However, suits very well for YouTube or "almost official" release. There are interviews, concerts and songs from 1978 until 1992.
MK's Youtube channel releases a lot of material. Live compilations for all possible tours. Interviews, NHB...
And I'm sure that will have plenty of "new" material waiting to see the sun thru the DS/MK's YT channel.
To a die-hard fan perspective, nothing of this, except the Rainbow Concert, are new for many of us.
We deal with bootlegs since forever and there is nothing really, really new for us.
Maybe the 'Italian Collector' could have some never-listened material that could surprise even Ed himself. However, this kind of material have a very strict audience and, yes, does not fit for a 'official release'.
To my perpective, these very rare material suits best for exclusively circulation.
Some of us dream about things that, at the moment doesn't have real commercial value. For those things, I bet they will be at YouTube at some point.
After this "research", In my opinion, there is nothing to complain.
For my taste, Alchemy decreased his "power" with the include of these songs (except Portobello)
Some songs like Fade To Black, to me, should have kept out.
To be fair, DS is on the right path.
Except that it does not communicate with the new audience anymore.
Good post.
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
Good post.
And if it came down to it, I’d rather have the live stuff than scraps of outtakes etc.
Remember we did actually get the full unfazed ending of Telegraph Road, anybody listen to that often?!
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
Yes, it's true, but this only became a reality after decades and decades. Today, we have a lot of material, as my dear friend Rolo pointed out, however, it was a long wait. Every criticism I've seen about this aspect has always been related to the past history, since the times when the band was active. Personally, I always had the feeling that there were gaps, but now this is being repaired through the Live 78/92 box set, in the same way as the San Antonio 85 live set. Personally, I don't have that complaint today.
For a long, long time, I always found a bootleg recording more interesting because it reveals a more complete experience with a full show, always allowing you to gauge what the band was like at each historical moment through their tours. As we know, a version of Sultans of Swing on the LOG tour is very different from how it was played on the OES tour, the same goes for many other songs, this striking feature in DS live has always been something that has made them stand out a lot, creating a new live experience through new arrangements, has always been one of the things we all love about the band, it is in this panorama that so many incredible things happen through MK's guitar, this has always been a great fuel for me and so many other people, and now we have the opportunity to appreciate it officially through these releases.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
I always adored the rock ending of BIA at the Wembley show and it's a shame it dissappeared at some point.
I just did a quick check on one of the bootleg recordings of SA and I'm happy it's still there (allthough I agree with you the Wembley version is slightly better).
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
I always adored the rock ending of BIA at the Wembley show and it's a shame it dissappeared at some point.
I just did a quick check on one of the bootleg recordings of SA and I'm happy it's still there (allthough I agree with you the Wembley version is slightly better).
Indeed. Everybody says the best version of BIA is Mandela 88, but I disagree. Mandela is indeed wonderful, but those early (85) versions, with the Les Paul weeping, speed, energy, and rocking ending, have the edge. Never done like this since again. Too bad... Yes, the keyboards are a bit cheesy... But I love cheese! 😋
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Also, re TOL, the end solo is 25 seconds longer on Wembley than in San Antonio. More developped, I like it better.
There is really something special about this Wembley concert. Should have really beer released on blu-ray.
And to add insult to injury, they realeased on their official YT channel everything that was broadcasted on TV from this concert... except TOL and BIA, the most important songs of this tour. (and SR, but who cares). Shame!
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Finally an official BIA live! :clap
The first track sounds fabulous. Out of curiosity I compared this Walk of life against the version of On the night, both technically and recording in my opinion this is from another planet!! great rhythm that I touch on the Schecter!
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.
We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.
We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.
This is true about OTN, but since its conception, it was designed with this characteristic, the result of songs from four shows, two in Nimes and two in Rotterdam, 10 days apart. In this sense, Alchemy is more cohesive in revealing the most real experience of a DS show. OTN in the box is wonderful because it contains more songs, but it will never reveal a real Dire Straits show, only if it releases one of the shows in its entirety. Nimes or Rotterdam (May 92), Basel 92 or Nimes 92 (October) give us this experience that OTN lacks, but this is only important for completist fans like me, you and a minority, we are the exception of the exceptions, zero hope of that happening.
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.
We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.
But these are details (also important to me). It's worth appreciating the fact that we officially have all the concert tours:)
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.
We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.
But these are details (also important to me). It's worth appreciating the fact that we officially have all the concert tours:)
No.
78 tour
80-81 tour
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For 78 we have live at the BBC with its angry sound.
For 80/81 we have TOL from Dortmund 80 on the same album. Better than nothing... And we have Dortmund on official video, with great versions of Lions and News!
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Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?
We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.
We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.
But these are details (also important to me). It's worth appreciating the fact that we officially have all the concert tours:)
No.
78 tour
80-81 tour
For me the concert from Rainbow sums up the first period of DS well. But you're right, 81-82 is missing, although aLCHEMY fulfills its role.
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The only tour that still needs to have an official release is On Location 80/81, we have Dortmund 80 and Paris 81 (incomplete) on the official YouTube channel, but it's better than just TOL live in Dortmund 80 present on Live at The BBC.
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I'm looking forward to enjoying the atmosphere of Ride Across the River (my favorite song from the BIA tour set) and the unique energy of One World, both exclusive to this tour. Other songs that should be very interesting with this quality are Two Young Lovers with the wonderful Erlenwine and her "ZZ Top" sound, and Wild West End with Mark and his National Steel and the guitar and sax duet between Jack and Chris, with Jack following in a long guitar solo, a moment that in my opinion brought a very fresh flavor to Dire Straits at that historic moment. Anyway, with the quality of the recording made available on this release, it will undoubtedly be a great experience, I'm sure we'll have some good times to listen to and new details from another perspective. 🙌🏻🎸🔥
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For 78 we have live at the BBC with its angry sound.
For 80/81 we have TOL from Dortmund 80 on the same album. Better than nothing... And we have Dortmund on official video, with great versions of Lions and News!
That doesn't count as a full recording of each tour.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe. Allow your mind to fill the gap.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe. Allow your mind to fill the gap.
I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!
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There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York. :)
San Francisco 13.09.85
NYC 03.10.85
Boston 06.10.85
But SA is still a great show, as most were on that leg of the tour. They didn't record every show back then though!
On a more serious note: it would be nice if they would make a special mention of Jack Sonni in the booklet, or even dedicate it to his memory.
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I've enjoyed the San Antonio bootleg for years, actually a bit of a treat for me that this one got "the treatment." It's just a really fun performance, and the Walk Of Life mix is fabulous. Mark's guitar is cranked!
Isn't it! Never heard his guitar so high in the mix during WOL on that tour before and it sounds great. His vocal has a harshness to it to my ears anyway.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe. Allow your mind to fill the gap.
I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!
Alchemy TOL isn't simplicity as far as I'm concerned. The solo has too many notes and is all the less fluid because of it.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe. Allow your mind to fill the gap.
I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!
Alchemy TOL isn't simplicity as far as I'm concerned. The solo has too many notes and is all the less fluid because of it.
I see what you mean...
Actually I wonder if Mark changed the end solo between 83 and 85, more progressive, just to be able to... rest a bit thanks to pauses in his guitar playing ! In Alchemy the end solo has no pause, Mark had to go straight to the end, and you an see him exhausted and out of breath in the end, needing the break before starting TR. This song is physically demanding!
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Just dawned on me: The 20th anniversary of BIA feels like yesterday. Where did the time fly?! I feel old.
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There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York. :)
San Francisco 13.09.85
NYC 03.10.85
Boston 06.10.85
But SA is still a great show, as most were on that leg of the tour. They didn't record every show back then though!
On a more serious note: it would be nice if they would make a special mention of Jack Sonni in the booklet, or even dedicate it to his memory.
I mentioned about Uniondale because on this concert Tunnel Of Love is 24 min. (did this happen anywhere else?) I love it. But San Antonio is the most important right now!
Yes, I was also thinking about Jack Sonni. This concert should be dedicated to him.
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I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!
Alchemy TOL isn't simplicity as far as I'm concerned. The solo has too many notes and is all the less fluid because of it.
I see what you mean...
Actually I wonder if Mark changed the end solo between 83 and 85, more progressive, just to be able to... rest a bit thanks to pauses in his guitar playing ! In Alchemy the end solo has no pause, Mark had to go straight to the end, and you an see him exhausted and out of breath in the end, needing the break before starting TR. This song is physically demanding!
Nah, just part of the theatre of the show, it's not like he's running around a stadium.
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TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!
Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?
Sorry - both versions are roughly equal. Both excellent.
It's always good watching the video. I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...
The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe. Allow your mind to fill the gap.
I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!
Alchemy TOL isn't simplicity as far as I'm concerned. The solo has too many notes and is all the less fluid because of it.
I see what you mean...
Actually I wonder if Mark changed the end solo between 83 and 85, more progressive, just to be able to... rest a bit thanks to pauses in his guitar playing ! In Alchemy the end solo has no pause, Mark had to go straight to the end, and you an see him exhausted and out of breath in the end, needing the break before starting TR. This song is physically demanding!
I think personally the solo has better dynamics and much nicer playing (especially on the slow pre-drum part) on the BIA tour. The build-up is slower into a more powerful crescendo. On the LOG tour the slow build-up was much shorter, then suddenly the drums would kick in and it just sounded less tasteful.
Of course you could be right and I couldn't see his knees holding out for another tour! :lol
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As I'm sure many around here, one of the concerts I've listened to the most in my life -first on cassette, then on CD and finally on vinyl- is Stockholm 85. Some of the performances of that show were superb; very powerful. And one of the ones I enjoyed the most is Wlid West End, especially because of Jack's guitar solo, very brilliant in his approach to hard rock. I'm very happy about the recent announcement, which I've been looking forward to with hope for no less than 35 years. However, I listened to San Antonio 85 again last night and, for some reason, Jack is uninspired in that solo. He seems to run out of ideas after every phrase, as if to say “how do I go on with this, what do I do now?”. In any case, I insist, I'm happy for the recording to arrive, some of the performances are sublime. I'm sorry that The Man's Too Strong is not here, but perfection doesn't exist, although I must admit that this boxset comes pretty close.
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Jack solos were improvised and never the same so, some days better, some worse.
I agree that the Stockholm one is amazing, with that duet between Jack and Chris White.
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As I'm sure many around here, one of the concerts I've listened to the most in my life -first on cassette, then on CD and finally on vinyl- is Stockholm 85. Some of the performances of that show were superb; very powerful. And one of the ones I enjoyed the most is Wlid West End, especially because of Jack's guitar solo, very brilliant in his approach to hard rock. I'm very happy about the recent announcement, which I've been looking forward to with hope for no less than 35 years. However, I listened to San Antonio 85 again last night and, for some reason, Jack is uninspired in that solo. He seems to run out of ideas after every phrase, as if to say “how do I go on with this, what do I do now?”. In any case, I insist, I'm happy for the recording to arrive, some of the performances are sublime. I'm sorry that The Man's Too Strong is not here, but perfection doesn't exist, although I must admit that this boxset comes pretty close.
How would you compare this solo to the one from Houston and Cleveland ?
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As I'm sure many around here, one of the concerts I've listened to the most in my life -first on cassette, then on CD and finally on vinyl- is Stockholm 85. Some of the performances of that show were superb; very powerful. And one of the ones I enjoyed the most is Wlid West End, especially because of Jack's guitar solo, very brilliant in his approach to hard rock. I'm very happy about the recent announcement, which I've been looking forward to with hope for no less than 35 years. However, I listened to San Antonio 85 again last night and, for some reason, Jack is uninspired in that solo. He seems to run out of ideas after every phrase, as if to say “how do I go on with this, what do I do now?”. In any case, I insist, I'm happy for the recording to arrive, some of the performances are sublime. I'm sorry that The Man's Too Strong is not here, but perfection doesn't exist, although I must admit that this boxset comes pretty close.
How would you compare this solo to the one from Houston and Cleveland ?
Yes, the one from Stockholm has no comparison.
It's the best one.
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I mean, sorry. How would you compare San Antonio to Houston or Cleveland ? Would it have been better to release Houston rather than San Antonio ?
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I mean, sorry. How would you compare San Antonio to Houston or Cleveland ? Would it have been better to release Houston rather than San Antonio ?
For me both are very similar and very plain. The US part was like louder pretending to be rockier but any European concert was better.
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I really like the versions of Wild West End after the American tour, when Jack really starts the solo, everyone goes up a tone, going from C to D, the original key of 77/80, for me this always sounded like an allusion, a tribute to the original recording of this song, then goes back to the key of C and continues... I simply love these colors, it moves me... There are also some passages with a simulated harmonica effect, this is done on the synthesizer, it's in the singing part. Anyway, these are my favorites on this tour, it's a shame we don't have any testimonials from any member of the band about all these new arrangements that were created for a tour and during the tour, I would love to hear more from the band members, especially MK and Alan.
By the way, something very relevant about these 40 years of the BIA album would be a documentary about the album and tour, interviewing everyone who participated in the legendary 85/86 tour, this should have happened before Jack left, it would have been perfect. Things from my dreamland! 🤌🏻😅
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Yes and several guest too players appeared during the tour: Eric Clapton, Paul Young, Hank B. Marvin, Sting, Billy Joel, David Sanborn, Branford Marsalis, Paul Brady, Dave Edmunds, Nils Lofgren, Francis Rossi, T-Bone Burnett, Pete Townshend.
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Yes and several guest too players appeared during the tour: Eric Clapton, Paul Young, Hank B. Marvin, Sting, Billy Joel, David Sanborn, Branford Marsalis, Paul Brady, Dave Edmunds, Nils Lofgren, Francis Rossi, T-Bone Burnett, Pete Townshend.
Exactly, good point, this would be a very relevant act on this iconic tour. It's sad to see time pass and this not happen, while most of them are still alive, it would be a tremendous waste to miss this opportunity. I don't know why someone hasn't come along to make this real yet, we've already lost Jack, unfortunately.
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On the official DS page an UK version of the 3CD and 5LP set is announced:
https://store.direstraits.com/product-category/bia-40/
Does someone what the difference is to the standard versions?
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My guess is that it has to do with CE certification which has to fulfill certain EU standards and as Brits hate the EU they won't put that label on their products so a UK citizen can buy his MK Box without it. No difference otherwise, Mark sings English on both versions. :lol
LE
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Not all of us hate the EU. I’m sure that also applies to our friends in the USA. :)
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I was not entirely serious. :wave ;)
LE
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On the official DS page an UK version of the 3CD and 5LP set is announced:
https://store.direstraits.com/product-category/bia-40/
Does someone what the difference is to the standard versions?
Because of the Brexit, European buying items from the UK would have to pay custom taxes, and same the other way, so they have two shops, one for UK and one for Europe. Don't they have another for the US?
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They dropped Sultans of Swing from San Antonio on Spotify today
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WHAT a version :o
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They dropped Sultans of Swing from San Antonio on Spotify today
Thanks for the tip! Listening now. For the band just a normal day at the office, but what a version!
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Top class version, the band at their peak.
I love how clear Jack Sonni’s guitar is in the mix. Alchemy is amazing but I always thought Hal’s guitar could’ve been a little louder.
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They dropped Sultans of Swing from San Antonio on Spotify today
weird, for me it is still greyed out...
but the album itself is available for me.
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You can listen to the whole album???
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https://open.spotify.com/album/1Xug5yrULzRuGmBabfHQun?si=R8p08FuQQv-ttBKUbVpBPg
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Sounds great but makes me remember why I love Wembley 85 so much - Mark's voice sounds much better at the Wembley show from my point of view. But it's all on the same high level of course.
LE
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They dropped Sultans of Swing from San Antonio on Spotify today
Easily best officially released version. Uploading the key track will hurt sales of the box though. Curious decision.
Good mix now. In the bootlegs the sax was too high in the mix, especially toward the end. Now it sounds more balanced.
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Also on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzYwFcwhu5w
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I don't know if it is hearing deficiency but the keyboard on the first half is low and this is a great decision to have mixed it that way.
Mark guitar upfront in the mix is all the essence of that song IMHO.
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Wow... such energy. Blown away to be honest.
Hearing this gig in a completely different way. The solo section is insane, drums and guitar in unison and the breakdown and subsequent buildup is sublime.
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I promised myself that I would not listen to this concert. Not until May 16 from the official album. I know only Walk Of life:) I need to relive it again in May. ;)
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What guitar was he playing (red Schecter?) Again, the guitar at Wembley sounded much better. Also I miss to have the wonderful So Far Away from Wembley as official mix...
LE
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Curious as to whether anyone in the US can stream this from Spotify, Amazon etc? I haven't been able to find it myself.
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What about YouTube? Both are there.
LE
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What guitar was he playing (red Schecter?) Again, the guitar at Wembley sounded much better. Also I miss to have the wonderful So Far Away from Wembley as official mix...
LE
The white Schecter with Fender decal. Sounds great to me!
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What guitar was he playing (red Schecter?)
Sounds like the White Schecter. Does he still have it, btw? It was not part of the Christie's auction, right? I think he last used it on the KTGC promo.
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What guitar was he playing (red Schecter?) Again, the guitar at Wembley sounded much better. Also I miss to have the wonderful So Far Away from Wembley as official mix...
LE
There is a semi official "pre FM" release of much of the Wembley show as part of the Superstar Concert series. Comes up fairly frequently in ebay and discogs. This is probably the best you are going to get of this concert in the short term. Though I understand why you would want a full official release.
The San Antonio show doesn't seem to appear as a pre fm release (Houston does), only as bootleg and stream on Wolfgangs vault.
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Never liked SOS with a sax, so I never really listened to recordings with it, but that lick at 6:04-6:06 is absolutely amazing. Also, it sounds like MK thought the break started at 6:31 ;D
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is anyone on here aware of any pic that was truly taken during that show??
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Guy talking about it in a podcast:
https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/PAN9828144864.mp3?key=5282d08dc7c8295014f33abe97050afe&request_event_id=85c4916e-a3ab-4d82-a33c-a5e8c940e767&session_id=922b2fd9-cfe4-4c2a-913d-83b2d5b1d855&timetoken=1744363319_3AA9615BDE8AF84A449EC9EE62304F93&s=09
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I know the difference is small but I like to know exactly. The Brothers In Arms tour is 235 concerts or 248?
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Guy talking about it in a podcast:
https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/PAN9828144864.mp3?key=5282d08dc7c8295014f33abe97050afe&request_event_id=85c4916e-a3ab-4d82-a33c-a5e8c940e767&session_id=922b2fd9-cfe4-4c2a-913d-83b2d5b1d855&timetoken=1744363319_3AA9615BDE8AF84A449EC9EE62304F93&s=09
Did anyone listened to this podcast regarding the BIA anniversary edition?
I didn't have time yet, hope to have time today or tomorrow...
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2fqMz8OxFMvAUz93p3Y4gr?si=1QEhgSu3T_i8LV09fFaHUA
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I know the difference is small but I like to know exactly. The Brothers In Arms tour is 235 concerts or 248?
i always had that as 248
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I know the difference is small but I like to know exactly. The Brothers In Arms tour is 235 concerts or 248?
i always had that as 248
Thank you. I asked about that because if I remember correctly Guy Fletcher mentioned 235.
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Guy talking about it in a podcast:
https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/PAN9828144864.mp3?key=5282d08dc7c8295014f33abe97050afe&request_event_id=85c4916e-a3ab-4d82-a33c-a5e8c940e767&session_id=922b2fd9-cfe4-4c2a-913d-83b2d5b1d855&timetoken=1744363319_3AA9615BDE8AF84A449EC9EE62304F93&s=09
Did anyone listened to this podcast regarding the BIA anniversary edition?
I didn't have time yet, hope to have time today or tomorrow...
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2fqMz8OxFMvAUz93p3Y4gr?si=1QEhgSu3T_i8LV09fFaHUA
Even by podcast standards these hosts are very annoying.
I haven't got to it yet but it seems like they are going to splice in Guy from their previous podcast with him.
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The BIA tour had 235 shows;
http://oneverybootleg.nl/tourdates_1985_1986.htm
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The live version of Why Worry just dropped
https://open.spotify.com/album/4up10qvjUOuJ6oK3fmatTh?si=ply-JhMWQnKACmcv75Cf8Q
The mix sound quite balanced to me. I think they did a great job with this live recording. Looking forward to hear the whole thing
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Thank you, love it!
This song is one of his greatest works, no doubt.
I always wondered what he says at the end, is it "I go?" And why would he say that?
LE
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I think it’s a short and funny “thank you”, i still miss the final sax/guit coda of some european concerts, but it’s a really good mix. Well done.
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Thank you, love it!
This song is one of his greatest works, no doubt.
I always wondered what he says at the end, is it "I go?" And why would he say that?
LE
I hear like "yo" at the end what Mark says
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I think it's just: Thank You
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At the Wembley 85 Show he says exactly the same and there it also sounds like "I go".. :hmm
LE
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It's a very quick "thank yo". It does sound like "go", but it is "you".
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It's a very quick "thank yo". It does sound like "go", but it is "you".
Ok thank you very much! Hoped for you to read this. If it is explained by you, I believe it! :wave
LE
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It's a very quick "thank yo". It does sound like "go", but it is "you".
Ok thank you very much! Hoped for you to read this. If it is explained by you, I believe it! :wave
LE
:wave
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The sound of this is really phantastic. I am looking forward to this eagerly. I never got into bootlegs too much, so, same as with the Rainbow Show, I don't know this show completely, have only listened to parts of it 35 years ago. There will be much to discover I am sure. Plus Marks vocals sound really great, much better and fresher as at the Sydney show.
LE
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Guy talking about it in a podcast:
https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/PAN9828144864.mp3?key=5282d08dc7c8295014f33abe97050afe&request_event_id=85c4916e-a3ab-4d82-a33c-a5e8c940e767&session_id=922b2fd9-cfe4-4c2a-913d-83b2d5b1d855&timetoken=1744363319_3AA9615BDE8AF84A449EC9EE62304F93&s=09
Thanks for this. How i wish MK would do something like this.... Probably has no interest in anything relating to DS and let Guy do all this kind of promo things...
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Why Worry now on all streaming services and YouTube. Is it going to be a song a week till release?
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Why Worry now on all streaming services and YouTube. Is it going to be a song a week till release?
A song every 2 weeks it has been
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From the songs which are already released from San Antonio I think this release is a great addition to the previous Live box release. And finally we have an official live release of the BiA tour.
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Really like the sound of WW, it sounds so clean......
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I promised myself I wouldn't listen until May 16th but I gave in. Why Worry is beautiful.
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I took the same decision after listening SOS and up to now I am still patiently waiting
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I took the same decision after listening SOS and up to now I am still patiently waiting
:)
I haven't listened to the Sultans yet:)
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Hello, I did nearly the same, just listened to 20 s of WOL, was quite happy with SQ, and gave it a rest until proper listen on my home stereo.
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Received it yesterday. Haven't had time to listen yet...
more photos here : https://www.facebook.com/TextBlogRNRoll/posts/pfbid033Hv1v1tfFjf7N8mGdAevUShQADT7rrcbiWRpuBuvcuTThdhkh7dwofoAZPhuMFg2l
There will be an article on franceinfo culture and a listening conference at the HIFI LINK Lyon store at the time of the release.
More information to follow very soon.
Stay tuned!
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I don't get all that UFO's at the San Antonio cover :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Received it yesterday. Haven't had time to listen yet...
more photos here : https://www.facebook.com/TextBlogRNRoll/posts/pfbid033Hv1v1tfFjf7N8mGdAevUShQADT7rrcbiWRpuBuvcuTThdhkh7dwofoAZPhuMFg2l
There will be an article on franceinfo culture and a listening conference at the HIFI LINK Lyon store at the time of the release.
More information to follow very soon.
Stay tuned!
Amazing! How did you get the CD so soon? The official release date is the 16th of may right? Is it because of your listening conference?
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I don't get all that UFO's at the San Antonio cover :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Obviously an homage to the old Vertigo labels :)
(https://i.discogs.com/4rtb1BxPdO4cxQZRzO9Blw_4wcxlSMtUSiDp6rWvgtg/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:597/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTEyODc5/ODgtMTM4ODkyNzM5/My00MjczLmpwZWc.jpeg)
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The official track times of the San Antonio show.
Ride Across The River (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:10:30
Expresso Love (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:06:43
One World (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:06
Romeo And Juliet (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:10:30
Private Investigations (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:08:11
Sultans Of Swing (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:13:17
Why Worry (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:06
Walk Of Life (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:04:23
Two Young Lovers (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:00
Money For Nothing (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:08:01
Wild West End (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:09:16
Tunnel Of Love (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:19:26
Brothers In Arms (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:08:36
Solid Rock (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:04:36
Going Home (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:10
If i compare it the bootleg it's the full show without any edits in the songs
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Received it yesterday. Haven't had time to listen yet...
more photos here : https://www.facebook.com/TextBlogRNRoll/posts/pfbid033Hv1v1tfFjf7N8mGdAevUShQADT7rrcbiWRpuBuvcuTThdhkh7dwofoAZPhuMFg2l
There will be an article on franceinfo culture and a listening conference at the HIFI LINK Lyon store at the time of the release.
More information to follow very soon.
Stay tuned!
Thanks for the photos of the booklet. I wonder if we’ll get a video of the interview with MK and JI?
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The official track times of the San Antonio show.
Ride Across The River (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:10:30
Expresso Love (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:06:43
One World (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:06
Romeo And Juliet (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:10:30
Private Investigations (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:08:11
Sultans Of Swing (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:13:17
Why Worry (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:06
Walk Of Life (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:04:23
Two Young Lovers (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:00
Money For Nothing (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:08:01
Wild West End (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:09:16
Tunnel Of Love (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:19:26
Brothers In Arms (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:08:36
Solid Rock (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:04:36
Going Home (San Antonio Live In 85) 00:05:10
If i compare it the bootleg it's the full show without any edits in the songs
19 minutes of tunnel of love is some serious length :o
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It looks beautiful. Thank you JF. I thought the concert album cover had the audience and lights from the stage. And it's the same cover just with different colors. I don't understand those lights :)
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Made In Germany - good news! Hope the vinyl will be same.
LE