A Mark In Time

Mark Knopfler Discussion => Down The Road Wherever => Topic started by: shangri la 1 on September 22, 2018, 04:49:52 am

Title: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: shangri la 1 on September 22, 2018, 04:49:52 am
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My Bacon Roll  Mark Knopfler (5:35)
Richard Bennett, Guitar
Ian Thomas, Drums
Glenn Worf, Bass Guitar
Mark Knopfler, Guitar, Vocals
Jim Cox, Organ, Piano
Danny Cummings, Percussion
Guy Fletcher, Synthesizer
Kris Drever, Background Vocalist


LYRICS

I never got the elbow
Just telling you
Before you go
Only telling you
Just so you know

I never got the elbow
I slung it in
Had it up to here
I just pulled the pin
Went and had a beer

I used to love a bit of folding
Just for getting by
A wad of cash
Now that’s out of date
And so am I
As pie and mash

S’cuse me, s’cuse me
Have you got my roll?
My roll? My bacon roll?

The time they took us bowling
What was that about?
I thought what a joke
I just went out
And had a smoke

Then the white water rafting
Just some know-it-all
With the new regime
There to show us all
How to build a team

He says what do you think we’re doing?
I said don’t ask me
I’ve no idea
They all laughed at that
That was pretty funny actually

S’cuse me, s’cuse me
Have you got my roll?
My roll? My bacon roll?
Have you got my roll?
My roll? My bacon roll?

I could order you a toastie
Just like that one there
Or the same in plain white bread
When you’re dealing with a toastie
What do you prefer
Brown or red?

I never got the elbow
Just telling you
Before you go
Only telling you
Just so you know

© © 2018 Will D. Side Limited
℗ 2018 Will D. Side Limited



CHORDS: My Bacon Roll - by quizzaciously
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/mark_knopfler/my_bacon_roll_chords_2514615

VIDEO: Audio from 1st live performance 2019-04-25 Barcelona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05jCKLZQfDM
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 10, 2018, 10:17:31 am
Listening now!! MP3 soon  ;)
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Post by: straitsway75 on November 10, 2018, 10:19:57 am
great :thumbsup
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Post by: herlock on November 10, 2018, 10:20:34 am
Oh yes please !!
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Post by: dmg on November 10, 2018, 11:36:30 am
Delicious!  :P

Love the part "S’cuse me, s’cuse me" and there's a very tasty solo too. ;)  Which guitar is it, the Strat?  Sounds a bit different but it's not the LP or Pensa (I think anyway).
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Post by: Nick14 on November 10, 2018, 11:46:15 am
Any links to this one folks??
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Post by: dmg on November 10, 2018, 12:32:59 pm
The more I'm listening to this the more I like it and I don't really know why!  Perhaps just the overall tone of it and feelings it gives me.  I have images of greasy spoon cafés and Rita Tushingham kitchen sink 60s films (The Leather Boys perhaps)!  Really love this one.
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Post by: Knopflerfan on November 10, 2018, 12:35:05 pm
Delicious!  :P

Love the part "S’cuse me, s’cuse me" and there's a very tasty solo too. ;)  Which guitar is it, the Strat?  Sounds a bit different but it's not the LP or Pensa (I think anyway).

Sounds Strat like... Good little track that is growing on me the more I hear it...
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Post by: PensaGhost on November 10, 2018, 01:36:13 pm
not great but still interesting one, heavy influences from other known songs
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Post by: JF on November 10, 2018, 02:25:29 pm
Delicious!  :P

Love the part "S’cuse me, s’cuse me" and there's a very tasty solo too. ;)  Which guitar is it, the Strat?  Sounds a bit different but it's not the LP or Pensa (I think anyway).

Sounds Strat like... Good little track that is growing on me the more I hear it...

YesI think it's a strat
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 02:28:15 pm
Outro is good but way too short  and cannot save me the song because of this totally ridiculous lyrics. Sorry.

LE
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Post by: GIUMK on November 10, 2018, 02:30:24 pm
Guys, if you already have the song, can you send me a PM too?
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Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on November 10, 2018, 03:32:31 pm
A mix of Go Love, Remembrance Day and Basil, not bad ;D
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Post by: superval99 on November 10, 2018, 03:44:09 pm
Could be a grower, but the lyrics are a bit off the wall.   Nice guitar solo.   :)
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Post by: dmg on November 10, 2018, 03:49:06 pm
Could be a grower, but the lyrics are a bit off the wall.   Nice guitar solo.   :)

Put it on repeat!
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Post by: Knopflerfan on November 10, 2018, 03:53:11 pm
Could be a grower, but the lyrics are a bit off the wall.   Nice guitar solo.   :)

Just imagine you are sat in a lovely 'greasy spoon' eatery whilst listening!!!!
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Post by: GIUMK on November 10, 2018, 04:17:54 pm
Meanwhile, thanks guys for the PM of the songs.
Start with this song: beautiful melody, "very quiet" song, clean guitar. The real MK post DS.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 06:14:00 pm
If someone has a good take on what it's about it might be helpful for me to get into it.

LE
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Post by: superval99 on November 10, 2018, 06:19:52 pm
The more I'm listening to this the more I like it and I don't really know why!  Perhaps just the overall tone of it and feelings it gives me.  I have images of greasy spoon cafés and Rita Tushingham kitchen sink 60s films (The Leather Boys perhaps)!  Really love this one.

You just reminded me of Mr Tushy.  He had a grocers shop at the end of our street in Liverpool.  We went there for his cheese and freshly sliced bacon from the big red bacon slicer. Sometimes Rita was in the shop!   ;D
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Post by: dmg on November 10, 2018, 06:31:01 pm
The more I'm listening to this the more I like it and I don't really know why!  Perhaps just the overall tone of it and feelings it gives me.  I have images of greasy spoon cafés and Rita Tushingham kitchen sink 60s films (The Leather Boys perhaps)!  Really love this one.

You just reminded me of Mr Tushy.  He had a grocers shop at the end of our street in Liverpool.  We went there for his cheese and freshly sliced bacon from the big red bacon slicer. Sometimes Rita was in the shop!   ;D

 :o :o

Wow!  Such a great and unmistakable actress of the 1960s.  Loved her in many films, most memorably The Knack and of course her landmark role A Taste of Honey.
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Post by: superval99 on November 10, 2018, 06:35:39 pm
The more I'm listening to this the more I like it and I don't really know why!  Perhaps just the overall tone of it and feelings it gives me.  I have images of greasy spoon cafés and Rita Tushingham kitchen sink 60s films (The Leather Boys perhaps)!  Really love this one.

You just reminded me of Mr Tushy.  He had a grocers shop at the end of our street in Liverpool.  We went there for his cheese and freshly sliced bacon from the big red bacon slicer. Sometimes Rita was in the shop!   ;D

 :o :o

Wow!  Such a great and unmistakable actress of the 1960s.  Loved her in many films, most memorably The Knack and of course her landmark role A Taste of Honey.

Dr Zhivago too!
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Post by: dmg on November 10, 2018, 06:46:02 pm
The more I'm listening to this the more I like it and I don't really know why!  Perhaps just the overall tone of it and feelings it gives me.  I have images of greasy spoon cafés and Rita Tushingham kitchen sink 60s films (The Leather Boys perhaps)!  Really love this one.

You just reminded me of Mr Tushy.  He had a grocers shop at the end of our street in Liverpool.  We went there for his cheese and freshly sliced bacon from the big red bacon slicer. Sometimes Rita was in the shop!   ;D

 :o :o

Wow!  Such a great and unmistakable actress of the 1960s.  Loved her in many films, most memorably The Knack and of course her landmark role A Taste of Honey.

Dr Zhivago too!

Wasn't her typical type of film though.  She played the innocent little girl from the north better than anyone in these swinging 60s and kitchen sink films.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 07:00:38 pm
JF, please, or Rail King, is this song faded out actually or ud it from the broadcast?

What instrument is doing this strumming? Sounds absolutely new and great to me.

LE
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 07:05:11 pm
It's the song about that "man out of time in a greasy spoon". He lost his job?

LE
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Post by: dmg on November 10, 2018, 07:11:34 pm
It's the song about that "man out of time in a greasy spoon". He lost his job?

LE

Yes - "got the elbow" is slang for sacked or laid off. Sounds like he's deep in thought about his work/former work and some sort of team-building they did.  He clearly thinks it was a pretty silly idea and that he's an old-fashioned kind of guy.  Don't know what the toastie is all about or why the setting of the café is appropriate, but who cares?  Why not I suppose.  Great song anyway!
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 07:35:51 pm
Yes it is indeed. I like it more and more.

I just need a good explanation for that ridiculous title lyrics. I mean ... imagine Baloney Again the way it was recorded but with .. "baloney Sandwich again..
 Hey man..".  It's just...   :hmm

I had the idea that he maybe got fired very shortly before and is still in shock and finds himself at thst place but the world around him goes normally on while he has suffered a big catastrophe of losing his job... that would explain the absurd contrast  (to me) ... Also the outro would perfectly musically describe to me the slow realisation what happened...

But "I never got the elbow".. So he went on his own?
Hmm... help appreciated.
LE
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Post by: dmg on November 10, 2018, 07:50:09 pm
Yes it is indeed. I like it more and more.

I just need a good explanation for that ridiculous title lyrics. I mean ... imagine Baloney Again the way it was recorded but with .. "baloney Sandwich again..
 Hey man..".  It's just...   :hmm

I had the idea that he maybe got fired very shortly before and is still in shock and finds himself at thst place but the world around him goes normally on while he has suffered a big catastrophe of losing his job... that would explain the absurd contrast  (to me) ... Also the outro would perfectly musically describe to me the slow realisation what happened...

But "I never got the elbow".. So he went on his own?
Hmm... help appreciated.
LE

It's curious that this song has the most silly sounding title but arguably the most thought provoking lyrics thus far.

This verse tells us he gave his job up ("slung it in"):

I never got the elbow
I slung it in
Had it up to here
I just pulled the pin
Went and had a beer
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Post by: kaleo74 on November 10, 2018, 08:11:31 pm
This song would fit perfectly with a Gordon Ramsay cooking competitions and they way he treats the candidates, most of the time they abandon because of the pressure.
This song is such a beauty.
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Post by: followmehome217 on November 10, 2018, 08:13:22 pm
I got into Mark's solo stuff about a year ago and have been lurking here ever since - can somebody email me Bacon Roll and Just a boy away from home? 

Love trapper man and one song at a time, as well as back on the dance floor and good on you son.  I can't get over the cow cow yicky yicky ya's of Nobody's child but the rest of the song is good.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 08:37:11 pm
Yes it is indeed. I like it more and more.

I just need a good explanation for that ridiculous title lyrics. I mean ... imagine Baloney Again the way it was recorded but with .. "baloney Sandwich again..
 Hey man..".  It's just...   :hmm

I had the idea that he maybe got fired very shortly before and is still in shock and finds himself at thst place but the world around him goes normally on while he has suffered a big catastrophe of losing his job... that would explain the absurd contrast  (to me) ... Also the outro would perfectly musically describe to me the slow realisation what happened...

But "I never got the elbow".. So he went on his own?
Hmm... help appreciated.
LE

It's curious that this song has the most silly sounding title but arguably the most thought provoking lyrics thus far.

This verse tells us he gave his job up ("slung it in"):

I never got the elbow
I slung it in
Had it up to here
I just pulled the pin
Went and had a beer

Oh thank you  :thumbsup  :thumbsup

LE
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Post by: Eddie Fox on November 10, 2018, 08:51:03 pm
Perhaps the best melody amongst the songs that are out. The song title does turn me off a bit though  :lol
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Post by: JF on November 10, 2018, 08:53:11 pm
JF, please, or Rail King, is this song faded out actually or ud it from the broadcast?

What instrument is doing this strumming? Sounds absolutely new and great to me.

LE


I havent' heard the broadcasted file, but my file is 5:35 long
around 4:40 the piano plays the same theme as sung at 3:05, and then it's faded out

I guess the strumming is played on something like a cittern (like McCusker et Mc Golddrick on HFB) or a bouzouki....but not sure
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 09:06:27 pm
Thank you!  :thumbsup

LE
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 10, 2018, 10:18:23 pm
Don't know honestly what you can find SO appealing in this song, seems like it took Mark 1 hour in the morning to write it. He can do better.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 10, 2018, 10:43:09 pm
You can really say that about everything he has written since 2002 or so if you absolutely want to sound a little arrogant.

If you don't like it, fine, it's no competion.

I like it because the mood and atmosphere are very well fitting with the mood the character obviously is in. The instrumentation is interesting and sounds new and the outro is very moving, I wish it was two minutes longer. After One Song At A Time the best new song so far. I am beginning to be able to live with the lyrics after the 10th listen or so. Maybe forget about fancy chords for five minutes and start to feel it s bit more?  :wave

LE

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Post by: mschaap on November 10, 2018, 10:43:38 pm
Suprised to so many positive reactions to this one, after listening to it for the first I was thinking this must be the weakest song ever by MK. Silly title and lyrics (though maybe I am missing something), simple and predictable melody, the first ‘my roll’ in the chorus is too high for Mark’s register giving an uncomfortable feeling, and after the song finishes it starts up again leading to absolutely nothing interesting and quickly fades out again.
On the other hand, the guitar tone and middle solo are quite nice I have to admit.
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 10, 2018, 10:53:37 pm
No LE, you are exaggerating. There are many dozens of beautifully crafted MK songs after 2002, but can you say it about this song?

Suprised to so many positive reactions to this one, after listening to it for the first I was thinking this must be the weakest song ever by MK. Silly title and lyrics (though maybe I am missing something), simple and predictable melody, the first ‘my roll’ in the chorus is too high for Mark’s register giving an uncomfortable feeling, and after the song finishes it starts up again leading to absolutely nothing interesting and quickly fades out again.
On the other hand, the guitar tone and middle solo are quite nice I have to admit.

Pretty much sums up my reaction as well. It's not a very good song and I'm not Mark's lawyer to advocate it, that's why I tell all this.

He can do a million times better than this. This song is so middle-of-the-road that I don't even know what to say about it.
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Post by: border_reiver on November 10, 2018, 10:54:18 pm
Suprised to so many positive reactions to this one, after listening to it for the first I was thinking this must be the weakest song ever by MK. Silly title and lyrics (though maybe I am missing something), simple and predictable melody, the first ‘my roll’ in the chorus is too high for Mark’s register giving an uncomfortable feeling, and after the song finishes it starts up again leading to absolutely nothing interesting and quickly fades out again.
On the other hand, the guitar tone and middle solo are quite nice I have to admit.

Yes, come to think of it it's Baloney Again......  8)
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Post by: regmka on November 10, 2018, 11:06:21 pm
I personally don't find the lyrics silly, however the text may confuse since it full of idioms. I suggest to check some phrases in Wiktionary or Urban Dictionary.
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Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on November 10, 2018, 11:26:03 pm
What a gem! Beautiful melody, great arrangement (I love the outro!), nice solo and I think the lyrics are really clever, only MK could come up with something like this. Somehow it also reminds me of Rollin' On which is my favorite track of the ATRR album.
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Post by: shangri la 1 on November 10, 2018, 11:45:00 pm
I never got the elbow - didn’t get sacked
I slung it in - I quit my job
Had it up to here - he’s had it up to his neck
I just pulled the pin - ACTUAL meaning = uncouple train by pulling the pin - If you pull the pin, you put an end to something, quit or resign.
I used to love a bit of folding - slang for a roll of folding money
Just for getting by - surviving
As pie and mash - Shepard's pie = meat pie and mashed potato
S’cuse me, s’cuse me - pardon me, EXcuse me
My bacon roll? - A favourite breakfast (takeaway or cafe) in UK - in Oz it’s Egg & bacon with red or brown SAUCE
I could order you a toastie - a more recent breakfast brunch favourite toasted sandwich
Brown or red? - SAUCE
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Post by: Nick14 on November 11, 2018, 06:53:09 pm
This is another MK gem - this is what he does best lyrically, something that seems quite basic on the surface but actually has a lot of depth to it. Terrific song.
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 11, 2018, 07:15:35 pm
This is another MK gem - this is what he does best lyrically, something that seems quite basic on the surface but actually has a lot of depth to it. Terrific song.

Personally I don't care how great this song is lyrically speaking. It's ridiculous to name the song "My Bacon Roll", it sounds like a working title at best. You know that the song "Yesterday" by Paul McCartney had a working title "Scrambled Eggs"? I can't believe Mark produces such a ridiculous titles and puts it on the main album.

Oh, I'm sorry, "negative" comments are prohibited here on AMIT. I'm so sorry, really, I never meant to say it. The album is great! My Bacon Roll is my favourite MK song now :lol From the man who wrote Brothers In Arms, feast you eyes on My Bacon Roll! :lol
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Post by: hunter on November 11, 2018, 07:24:34 pm
Why don't you write a letter to Mark and let him know how it should be done? And tell him that there are some people at AMIT (hunter included) who are not too fond of the Vox Continental sound. I'm sure he and Guy will find it most helpful.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 11, 2018, 07:39:16 pm
I agree about having problems with the pretty unusual way of lyrics Mark provides on this album
Maybe it's an development. But about that fat man in Floating Away I have the same problems of understanding as with My Bacon Roll. I am sure it's a picture for something and maybe an explanation will show how great the song is. But I don't have any. The sound and character of the song shows me that there are more levels for sure. It's not a light song in the style of Hot Dog or the likes. So any ideas still welcome.

Who is talking to who might help. "Just to let you know , before you go.." could it be a random acquaintance, made because of the roll swept over by mistake? Finding a way to mentally processing what happened to him? Being so desparate and lonesome with it that he talks to a stranger about his feelings?

LE
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Post by: Robson on November 11, 2018, 07:50:04 pm
This is another MK gem - this is what he does best lyrically, something that seems quite basic on the surface but actually has a lot of depth to it. Terrific song.

Personally I don't care how great this song is lyrically speaking. It's ridiculous to name the song "My Bacon Roll", it sounds like a working title at best. You know that the song "Yesterday" by Paul McCartney had a working title "Scrambled Eggs"? I can't believe Mark produces such a ridiculous titles and puts it on the main album.

Oh, I'm sorry, "negative" comments are prohibited here on AMIT. I'm so sorry, really, I never meant to say it. The album is great! My Bacon Roll is my favourite MK song now :lol From the man who wrote Brothers In Arms, feast you eyes on My Bacon Roll! :lol


It's just the title. Do you remember Old Pigweed? :)
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Post by: Robson on November 11, 2018, 07:51:49 pm
Exactly LE. Let's talk about texts. I'm totally lost :hmm
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Post by: Nick14 on November 11, 2018, 09:52:18 pm
The title is perfect for the emotion in the song - the feeling and position of the character.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 11, 2018, 09:56:00 pm
The title is perfect for the emotion in the song - the feeling and position of the character.

Why? Please explain. Would be very grateful.

LE
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Post by: superval99 on November 12, 2018, 08:21:17 am
I woke up this morning with "scuse me, scuse me, my bacon roll" going around in my head!    I love the song, but it just seems strange that such a pretty song is about a bacon roll!   :)
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Post by: jbaent on November 12, 2018, 09:17:21 am
I woke up this morning with "scuse me, scuse me, my bacon roll" going around in my head!    I love the song, but it just seems strange that such a pretty song is about a bacon roll!   :)

Thats something going around my mind... Maybe that "excuse me have you got my roll, my bacon roll" has any other meaning, like slang, idioms, English expression? The song sounds quite nice but I'd like to think it has other deeper meaning...
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Post by: jbaent on November 12, 2018, 09:19:53 am
Don't know honestly what you can find SO appealing in this song, seems like it took Mark 1 hour in the morning to write it. He can do better.

If you forget about the lyrics, musically is a great song with a nice feeling, a catching melody. I understand why you mean with he can do better, lyrics sounds silly, specially the chorus. I'd like to think it has a meaning that non English we don't get, but besides that, musically is great.
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Post by: jbaent on November 12, 2018, 09:22:37 am
I never got the elbow - didn’t get sacked
I slung it in - I quit my job
Had it up to here - he’s had it up to his neck
I just pulled the pin - ACTUAL meaning = uncouple train by pulling the pin - If you pull the pin, you put an end to something, quit or resign.
I used to love a bit of folding - slang for a roll of folding money
Just for getting by - surviving
As pie and mash - Shepard's pie = meat pie and mashed potato
S’cuse me, s’cuse me - pardon me, EXcuse me
My bacon roll? - A favourite breakfast (takeaway or cafe) in UK - in Oz it’s Egg & bacon with red or brown SAUCE
I could order you a toastie - a more recent breakfast brunch favourite toasted sandwich
Brown or red? - SAUCE


Maybe starting from here we can build a meaning... I recall Love Expresso being good at it. Would you like to give it a try?
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Post by: Fletch on November 12, 2018, 09:30:29 am
I'm torn on whether the protagonist is now working and customers are saying "where's my roll?", while he reminisces about folding money and a former career awash with team building exercises.
or
He's the one asking for his roll and the last verse, "I could order you a toastie..." is someone else addressing him. But that makes less sense?
This is a vague story. Wish there were just a few clues to give me a Ragpickers Dream type tale!
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Post by: hunter on November 12, 2018, 09:36:56 am
I'm torn on whether the protagonist is now working and customers are saying "where's my roll?", while he reminisces about folding money and a former career awash with team building exercises.

Interesting take on it. Does not seem implausible.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 09:55:57 am
I'm torn on whether the protagonist is now working and customers are saying "where's my roll?", while he reminisces about folding money and a former career awash with team building exercises.
or
He's the one asking for his roll and the last verse, "I could order you a toastie..." is someone else addressing him. But that makes less sense?
This is a vague story. Wish there were just a few clues to give me a Ragpickers Dream type tale!

The first part l Iike. Someone who had a career and now "only" works in a greasy spoon, trying to justify by telling that he made that decision on his own?

LE
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Post by: Nick14 on November 12, 2018, 10:05:00 am
Re the title - and the feel I get from the song - the specifics are not as important, to me, as the feel of it. The feeling I get from the song is something noble - something about feeling out of date and out of place - about teaching an old dog new tricks - about surface facilie corporate characters and forced, worthless, faked team constructions - the protagonist felt out of place - out of time - finds comfort in familiar surroundings - here represented by an old familiar cafe - things more simple yet more genuine at that - more real - a bacon roll - the usual order - toastie's available too - red sauce or brown sauce. The title therefore represents the familiar, the comfortable - the routine - not being out of place or out of time. The music around it is both wistful and stately.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 10:10:20 am
Because the feel of this song is so appealing to me I WANT to know the specifics.. Trapper Man for example lost it's appeal to me with sounding like a top-40-radio-airplay-song. My Bacon Roll is the most interesting and appealing song to me right now.

"When you're  dealing with a toastie which do you prefer" ... does a man behind the counter speak this way to a customer?  :think

LE
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Post by: superval99 on November 12, 2018, 10:12:58 am
I think he's the waiter and he's explaining to a customer, maybe someone who he knows, why he's now working in the cafe.   He left his job voluntarily, he didn't get the elbow, because he was tired of all the team building etc and was outside of his comfort zone - he is much more comfortable working in the cafe.   The customer asks where is his bacon roll and he is offered, as an alternative, a toastie.
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Post by: Nick14 on November 12, 2018, 10:16:14 am
 By specifics - I mean (for me!) I don;t need to know exactly who is who talking to whom etc - I prefer for the listener to decide those things for themselves and those things can change for each listener. The feel of the song is clear I think - the feeling of the singer...and that "i didn't get the elbow" - that sounds like a touch of the Lady doth protest too much to me!
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Post by: superval99 on November 12, 2018, 10:18:22 am
"i didn't get the elbow" - that sounds like a touch of the Lady doth protest too much to me!

Yes!
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 10:20:45 am
"i didn't get the elbow" - that sounds like a touch of the Lady doth protest too much to me!

Yes!

I don't get the meaning of this,sorry

LE
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Post by: Fletch on November 12, 2018, 10:24:09 am
that "i didn't get the elbow" - that sounds like a touch of the Lady doth protest too much to me!

Yes, and with the "just so you know."

I'm with you & LE, it's an interesting one, i like the vague ones ; let's our imagination build a character.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 10:25:32 am
Ok I get it.

LE
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Post by: superval99 on November 12, 2018, 10:27:27 am
"i didn't get the elbow" - that sounds like a touch of the Lady doth protest too much to me!

Yes!

I don't get the meaning of this,sorry

LE

"When somebody keeps denying something to the point where you start to think they actually did it."

So our man keeps denying he was sacked, but actually he was!
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 10:29:06 am
that "i didn't get the elbow" - that sounds like a touch of the Lady doth protest too much to me!

Yes, and with the "just so you know."

I'm with you & LE, it's an interesting one, i like the vague ones ; let's our imagination build a character.

I tried a lot yesterday already but all my posts were always interrupted by newbies asking for the link ..  ;D

LE
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Post by: Fletch on November 12, 2018, 10:33:36 am
that "i didn't get the elbow" - that sounds like a touch of the Lady doth protest too much to me!

Yes, and with the "just so you know."

I'm with you & LE, it's an interesting one, i like the vague ones ; let's our imagination build a character.

I tried a lot yesterday already but all my posts were always interrupted by newbies asking for the link ..  ;D

LE

Yep, I just read all your pleas! Sorry, I only just got around to listening to them myself, and the lyric of this one interested me. I'm quite happy to wait till Friday for a good ol proper listen :)
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Post by: skydiver on November 12, 2018, 10:40:17 am
Is he really now in a situation where he feels comfortable and at home?
I don't think so.
Maybe he had to leave because he didn't fit in/misbehaved with the new regime?
And maybe the "s'cuse me...where is.." shows how irritated and stressed out he is by the customers.
So the chorus goes against what he is actually telling.
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Post by: jbaent on November 12, 2018, 10:48:05 am
I think he's the waiter and he's explaining to a customer, maybe someone who he knows, why he's now working in the cafe.   He left his job voluntarily, he didn't get the elbow, because he was tired of all the team building etc and was outside of his comfort zone - he is much more comfortable working in the cafe.   The customer asks where is his bacon roll and he is offered, as an alternative, a toastie.

Maybe the bacon roll is the dreamed job and the toastie the comfortable reality?
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 10:48:42 am
Yes but maybe he still denies it. Lies to himself.

I could order you a toastie
Just like that one there
Or the same in plain white bread
When you’re dealing with a toastie
What do you prefer
Brown or red?

That one ...   says who? Is that they way a seller talks to a customer? tough... 

LE
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 10:54:58 am
I think he's the waiter and he's explaining to a customer, maybe someone who he knows, why he's now working in the cafe.   He left his job voluntarily, he didn't get the elbow, because he was tired of all the team building etc and was outside of his comfort zone - he is much more comfortable working in the cafe.   The customer asks where is his bacon roll and he is offered, as an alternative, a toastie.

This one so far is to me the best interpretation so far

LE
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Post by: skydiver on November 12, 2018, 10:55:56 am
Either he is deying it to himself or he is trying to justify to customers why he, who earned well before, now has to work in a greasy spoon cafe and has to explain embarrassingly the different kind of toasties they serve and has to endure the almost humiliating customers aksing why their bacon roll has not yet been served.

So on the surface level the theme of the song could be either reality displacement or having to live with the consequences of not fitting in (or wanting to) with the absurdities of a "new regime".

And the melody going contrary to the tragic of the lyrics, which would be classic MK.

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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 10:59:25 am
Yes, he being absent-minded busy explaining (also to himself) , while the customer still waits and politely asks ... 

LE
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 11:18:06 am
I used to love a bit of folding
Just for getting by
A wad of cash
Now that’s out of date
And so am I
As pie and mash

Could someone please explain?

He used to have cadh with him? Why should that be out of date now?

LE
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Post by: Nick14 on November 12, 2018, 11:20:52 am
Two things....cash generally is not used the same way it was - most people pay by card - and cash in hand jobs are also harder to find these days.....also - a third thing - he has less money generally than he did......because he doesn;t have the same kind of job.....less well paid - or unemplyed if he is a customer in the cafe rather than a worker.
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Post by: superval99 on November 12, 2018, 11:21:51 am
I used to love a bit of folding
Just for getting by
A wad of cash
Now that’s out of date
And so am I
As pie and mash

Could someone please explain?

He used to have cadh with him? Why should that be out of date now?

LE

People pay by debit/credit card, maybe?
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Post by: Fletch on November 12, 2018, 11:23:19 am
When I feel like a using a dad joke, i often ask a cashier if they "still accept cash?" - usually provokes confusion, a minor smile and then rolling of the eyes from my wife.
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Post by: Nick14 on November 12, 2018, 11:23:42 am
Some cross over with this and corned beef city actually...that mentioned "folding" meaning money and "cash in hand" and a greasy spoon cafe selling egg, chips and beans etc.....
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Post by: Eddie Fox on November 12, 2018, 12:01:42 pm
What would I do without you native speakers from AMIT:) It's so cool to learn these little details about other languages, things I'd never be able to figure out by myself.

I still have a problem with the lyrics though, doesn't feel like words and melody belong together. Fortunately I'm able to plug it out and enjoy the song, which is gorgeous.   
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 12:15:15 pm
When I feel like a using a dad joke, i often ask a cashier if they "still accept cash?" - usually provokes confusion, a minor smile and then rolling of the eyes from my wife.

So that explains indeed that "a man out of time" hint..  (no offence Fletch  ;D)

LE
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Post by: jbaent on November 12, 2018, 12:29:42 pm
Now this is a completely different song ;)

It's like "Old pigweed" not being really about cooking, LOL
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Post by: dmg on November 12, 2018, 12:57:40 pm
I used to love a bit of folding
Just for getting by
A wad of cash
Now that’s out of date
And so am I
As pie and mash

Could someone please explain?

He used to have cadh with him? Why should that be out of date now?

LE

Folding=paper money
Getting by=making enough money to pay bills etc.
Wad=thick roll of money

Out of date due to the use of credit cards.  Pie and mash out of date due to...toasties?

________________

Could it be possible that the bacon roll is also a metaphor as in to bring home the bacon and a roll of money?
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Post by: jbaent on November 12, 2018, 01:10:55 pm

Could it be possible that the bacon roll is also a metaphor as in to bring home the bacon and a roll of money?

Actually it can be. If we think the character is saying he used to have a better work, maybe he's asking where all his money went? A roll of money?

It reminds me when I was working at a Hotel Recepction. I saw too much "big boys" having rolls of 100, 200 and even 500 euros in their bags or pockets, unrolled one and pay me for the room or their meal at the hotel restaurant.
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Post by: kaleo74 on November 12, 2018, 01:40:20 pm
If you search Beacon Roll in the Urban Dictionary you would be  surprised of what it says, due to forum rules, I let you check.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 12, 2018, 01:41:57 pm
Was thinking about how to say it since yesterday  ;D

LE
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Post by: Fletch on November 12, 2018, 11:33:56 pm
When I feel like a using a dad joke, i often ask a cashier if they "still accept cash?" - usually provokes confusion, a minor smile and then rolling of the eyes from my wife.

So that explains indeed that "a man out of time" hint..  (no offence Fletch  ;D)

LE
;D I'm not as far gone as this character, yet...  ;)
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 10:47:08 am
If you search Beacon Roll in the Urban Dictionary you would be surprised of what it says, due to forum rules, I let you check.

I especially love the examples, like "let me stick my sausage in your bacon roll". So at least we have a sausage connection.

But I'm pretty sure it's not the meaning Mark was trying to convey.
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 10:52:27 am
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm
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Post by: hunter on November 13, 2018, 10:56:42 am
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

And good moaning to you, too.

So the café noises are a problem now. Tell us how you would have done it. I'm holding my breath.
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Post by: holaknopfler on November 13, 2018, 10:58:06 am
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

lol
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 11:01:46 am
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

And good moaning to you, too.

So the café noises are a problem now. Tell us how you would have done it. I'm holding my breath.

How about the sound of bacon sizzling on a pan? But it's only if there's no sausage connection, then you can make a completely different intro.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 11:09:45 am
It's the sound of a diner, not of people eating, and it's an ambient sound for an intro which is perfectly fine for the song.

Honestly saying that I think you are going a little bit over the top here in trying to find the smallest detail to nickpick about. Also, if you just have realised it only now I wonder how often you have heard the song before? One time? Or only one half time?

LE
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Post by: superval99 on November 13, 2018, 11:19:17 am
Yummy, yummy, I love "My Bacon Roll"!     :P
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Post by: Nick14 on November 13, 2018, 11:21:05 am
Rather than reading all the back and forth here in depth - I spent yesterday listening to the ten songs I have several times over. It was great to do. Currently, I think that My Bacon Roll is a lovely song - I find it very moving actually - lyrically and musically strong and memorable. I find the same with Trapper Man, Just a Boy Away From Home and One Song at a Time - love those four - then Floating Away and Drover's Road, which I haven;t heard as much and which the qulsity is not quite as good, really came through strongly too - that makes 6 songs I love or really like....plus Nobody's Child is pretty good too. Nobody Does That is not bad actually - it is not by sort of thing - not music I like really - but it is very well done actually. And Dancefloor gets worse with every listen - I hate that - and GOYS is ok - not bad, not great - so-so. With 5 songs still to hear form the deluxe version things are therefore looking pretty good. One thing I love about Mark are the great moment he produces and there are loads of example here. The chord change moments and thrills in Trapper Man - the wonderful ending of One Song at a Time....that moment in My Bacon Roll when he sings "Have you got my roll? My Roll? My bacon roll" - really beautifully done. And lots of great guitar and other musical moments. I am surprised in the way the sax features - no strong solo really - more soul style parping away in stuff like Nobody Does That - or the slightly dated musak stylings of GOYS - I am not sure why but I was expecting some real memorable solos - nothing yet, unless any of the others feature that.
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Post by: superval99 on November 13, 2018, 11:28:26 am
Rather than reading all the back and forth here in depth - I spent yesterday listening to the ten songs I have several times over. It was great to do. Currently, I think that My Bacon Roll is a lovely song - I find it very moving actually - lyrically and musically strong and memorable. I find the same with Trapper Man, Just a Boy Away From Home and One Song at a Time - love those four - then Floating Away and Drover's Road, which I haven;t heard as much and which the qulsity is not quite as good, really came through strongly too - that makes 6 songs I love or really like....plus Nobody's Child is pretty good too. Nobody Does That is not bad actually - it is not by sort of thing - not music I like really - but it is very well done actually. And Dancefloor gets worse with every listen - I hate that - and GOYS is ok - not bad, not great - so-so. With 5 songs still to hear form the deluxe version things are therefore looking pretty good. One thing I love about Mark are the great moment he produces and there are loads of example here. The chord change moments and thrills in Trapper Man - the wonderful ending of One Song at a Time....that moment in My Bacon Roll when he sings "Have you got my roll? My Roll? My bacon roll" - really beautifully done. And lots of great guitar and other musical moments. I am surprised in the way the sax features - no strong solo really - more soul style parping away in stuff like Nobody Does That - or the slightly dated musak stylings of GOYS - I am not sure why but I was expecting some real memorable solos - nothing yet, unless any of the others feature that.

It's really interesting how our tastes differ.    You and I, Nick14, are at different ends of the scale regarding Dancefloor and Just a Boy, but apart from that I seem to agree with you on most of the rest.   The album release may change everything!    :)
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 11:34:13 am
I would go so far that Nobody Does That is the strongest musical band performance from the ten songs. It has a live-one take vibe around it with really great sax and brass. Even if you are not fond of that 70's funk style in general you must admit that this is done with absolute coolness and professionalism.
Love the Bass drum kick at the beginning and what Danny does throughout the complete song.

LE
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Post by: dmg on November 13, 2018, 11:52:38 am
If you search Beacon Roll in the Urban Dictionary you would be  surprised of what it says, due to forum rules, I let you check.

I'm just glad toad in the hole wasn't on the menu!  :o
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Post by: vr46mk on November 13, 2018, 11:59:14 am
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

And good moaning to you, too.

So the café noises are a problem now. Tell us how you would have done it. I'm holding my breath.

I am surprised how much one can complain on an album....  ;D
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 12:12:08 pm
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

And good moaning to you, too.

So the café noises are a problem now. Tell us how you would have done it. I'm holding my breath.

I am surprised how much one can complain on an album....  ;D

I challenge Guy Fletcher to register on this forum and so I can interrogate him what's this is all about ;D
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 04:48:25 pm
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

And good moaning to you, too.

So the café noises are a problem now. Tell us how you would have done it. I'm holding my breath.

This behaviour "hunting" anyone who dares to have an unaddressed view of the record remind me of a troll it was needed to ban, several times...

Mods, is it worth to investigate the continuous behaviour of this hunter?
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 04:58:29 pm
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

Maybe it's really a bartender talking with a client about his previous life with a better job and a better salary in a bar, and the chorus is just a client interrupting asking where is it's bacon roll...

I really like that cafeteria noises and that piano that sounds like in a western tavern...

Really original indeed.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 05:04:25 pm
I am no Mod of course  but say No because
A) quizzaciously can deal with it perfectly well and
2.) Hunter's posts are generally too good to be banned.

And Boy it's more thrilling as any TV show to follow it. To see who wins.  ;D It's not a bad thing if there is something going on here as long as if it's not getting personal.

LE
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 05:23:23 pm
I'm not telling to ban the hunter but to investigate if his continuous hunting against anything Quizzy post is against the basic rules or not, and if needed to get a proper warning.

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Post by: holaknopfler on November 13, 2018, 05:36:48 pm
I'm not telling to ban the hunter but to investigate if his continuous hunting against anything Quizzy post is against the basic rules or not, and if needed to get a proper warning.

Kind of a inproper way to go after Hunter via the mods IMHO. You see what is going on?

What is a forum if you can't express your opinion about another opinion? He isn't swearing or insulting him is he? Just my two cents.
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 05:44:07 pm
I'm not telling to ban the hunter but to investigate if his continuous hunting against anything Quizzy post is against the basic rules or not, and if needed to get a proper warning.

Kind of a inproper way to go after Hunter via the mods IMHO. You see what is going on?

What is a forum if you can't express your opinion about another opinion? He isn't swearing or insulting him is he? Just my two cents.

Yes, and I'm the only one who deserves a ban, because for most of the time I troll just for the sake of it.

Maybe I really find the intro for this song a bit non original, but better to put it in such a way to troll sensitive people.
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Post by: superval99 on November 13, 2018, 05:46:09 pm
I'm not telling to ban the hunter but to investigate if his continuous hunting against anything Quizzy post is against the basic rules or not, and if needed to get a proper warning.

Kind of a inproper way to go after Hunter via the mods IMHO. You see what is going on?

What is a forum if you can't express your opinion about another opinion? He isn't swearing or insulting him is he? Just my two cents.

I agree!   
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Post by: holaknopfler on November 13, 2018, 05:48:14 pm
I'm not telling to ban the hunter but to investigate if his continuous hunting against anything Quizzy post is against the basic rules or not, and if needed to get a proper warning.

Kind of a inproper way to go after Hunter via the mods IMHO. You see what is going on?

What is a forum if you can't express your opinion about another opinion? He isn't swearing or insulting him is he? Just my two cents.

Yes, and I'm the only one who deserves a ban, because for most of the time I troll just for the sake of it.

Maybe I really find the intro for this song a bit non original, but better to put it in such a way to troll sensitive people.

Please no. How greatly I disagree with your opinion about the album, you bring us music, chords and something to talk about so as long as you don't start swearing please stay. I'm going to play a bit of the guitar tonight with your chords. So don't get banned, I really like to have more if it's possible when the songs are released...


 :thumbsup
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 06:46:19 pm
Love sets in for this track. Five times in a row. What a lovely guitar sound on the solo and played so nice.
A much better song than for example Dream of the Drowned Submariner or Radio City Serenade...

LE
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 07:06:25 pm
I'm not telling to ban the hunter but to investigate if his continuous hunting against anything Quizzy post is against the basic rules or not, and if needed to get a proper warning.

Kind of a inproper way to go after Hunter via the mods IMHO. You see what is going on?

What is a forum if you can't express your opinion about another opinion? He isn't swearing or insulting him is he? Just my two cents.

I think that express your opinion against another's opinions is against the rules.

What is right is express your opinion, without criticizing another's opinions.

Do you see the point? I can disagree with someone opinion just expressing mine. No need to say the other opinion is whining or moaning. That's rude. And that's against the rules.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 07:13:23 pm
Mods will look at any complaint and may act or may not, we just need to know what rule is allegedly being broken.

No personal insults as far as I can see, except calling Quizzy a troll, but as he admits that himself it's not really an insult. :)
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 07:29:04 pm
Mods will look at any complaint and may act or may not, we just need to know what rule is allegedly being broken.

No personal insults as far as I can see, except calling Quizzy a troll, but as he admits that himself it's not really an insult. :)

But what about opinion about opinions?

I recall there was something in the rules about it
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Post by: skydiver on November 13, 2018, 07:32:46 pm
This is not real anymore.
Now a member like hunter who has the guts to speak against the mainstream moaning gets bullied by being called a "troll" and by threats of "investigations".
Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 07:36:40 pm
This is not real anymore.
Now a member like hunter who has the guts to speak against the mainstream moaning gets bullied by being called a "troll" and by threats of "investigations".
Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.

No, not real anymore when criticizing others opinions is something view as correct.

Good to know, I'll start doing it myself too then.

Period.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 07:49:54 pm
As far as I can see the pattern goes like this:

Quizzy moans about the album

Hunter moans about the moaning

Quizzy brushes it off and throws another hand grenade in

Hunter falls for it and moans even more about the moaning

Rinse, lather, repeat...
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Post by: Pottel on November 13, 2018, 07:54:55 pm
Mods will look at any complaint and may act or may not, we just need to know what rule is allegedly being broken.

No personal insults as far as I can see, except calling Quizzy a troll, but as he admits that himself it's not really an insult. :)

But what about opinion about opinions?

I recall there was something in the rules about it
Nope

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Post by: Pottel on November 13, 2018, 07:57:04 pm
By the way, is it the sounds of people eating in the beginning of the song? Man, I'm stunned with the originality.

We have "road" in the album title, let's have a road on the cover then!
We have "bacon" in the song title, let's have people eating in the intro!

 :hmm

And good moaning to you, too.

So the café noises are a problem now. Tell us how you would have done it. I'm holding my breath.

This behaviour "hunting" anyone who dares to have an unaddressed view of the record remind me of a troll it was needed to ban, several times...

Mods, is it worth to investigate the continuous behaviour of this hunter?
No. And we will leave it at that. So now, about this song....?

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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 08:06:21 pm
About this song...

Is growing more and more and becoming one of my favourites... Tomorrow I will wake up as Val, singing "excuse me..."

 ;D

The western saloon sounds at the start are so cool...
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Post by: holaknopfler on November 13, 2018, 08:15:20 pm
Growing on me too. Still don't know what a bacon roll is.  :lol
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 08:22:16 pm
Google "Bacon roll" and choose images..

It's a roll with bacon basically  :lol

LE
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 08:24:15 pm
Growing on me too. Still don't know what a bacon roll is.  :lol

My last theory explain the bar sounds at the start and that the bacon roll is just a bacon roll... The song has a main character talking to a client in the bar he works these days, telling that he used to have a better work, a better life etc, and while talking he is interrupted by a client asking for his roll...

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Post by: holaknopfler on November 13, 2018, 08:27:29 pm
Growing on me too. Still don't know what a bacon roll is.  :lol

My last theory explain the bar sounds at the start and that the bacon roll is just a bacon roll... The song has a main character talking to a client in the bar he works these days, telling that he used to have a better work, a better life etc, and while talking he is interrupted by a client asking for his roll...

Sounds plausible. With that I will listen closer. And LE, you're quite right too. It's just a roll. with bacon.  :lol
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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 08:29:26 pm
Growing on me too. Still don't know what a bacon roll is.  :lol

My last theory explain the bar sounds at the start and that the bacon roll is just a bacon roll... The song has a main character talking to a client in the bar he works these days, telling that he used to have a better work, a better life etc, and while talking he is interrupted by a client asking for his roll...

Sounds plausible. With that I will listen closer. And LE, you're quite right too. It's just a roll. with bacon.  :lol

Actually I tasted it in my last travel to the UK. Tasty.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 08:42:27 pm
In that interview from today Mark was quoted saying that it was about a brexit man... A man who cannot deal with change, with modern times, paying no longer with cash etc..

So it's just a man maybe talking to someone, who is not important, friend, wife, colleague, random person, justifying himself and complaining .. and he waits for the waiter (waitress) to deliver his bacon order .. and asks during he tells his story when the waitress comes along ... therefore the 'xcuse me...so the chorus interrupts the story and shows at the same time what kind of guy he is to order something so out-of-date ...

The waitress maybe has no such things as old fashioned bacon rolls anymore and suggests a toastie instead...  and in the question about which sauce, brown or red, the decision is reflected... the Brexit .

It's just that Mark never uses a single word randomly.

LE

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Post by: jbaent on November 13, 2018, 08:48:59 pm
Makes big sense. Thanks LE.
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Post by: Robson on November 13, 2018, 08:50:54 pm
In that interview from today Mark was quoted saying that it was about a brexit man... A man who cannot deal with change, with modern times, paying no longer with cash etc..

So it's just a man maybe talking to someone, who is not important, friend, wife, colleague, random person, justifying himself and complaining .. and he waits for the waiter (waitress) to deliver his bacon order .. and asks during he tells his story when the waitress comes along ... therefore the 'xcuse me...so the chorus interrupts the story and shows at the same time what kind of guy he is to order something so out-of-date ...

The waitress maybe has no such things as old fashioned bacon rolls anymore and suggests a toastie instead...  and in the question about which sauce, brown or red, the decision is reflected... the Brexit .

It's just that Mark never uses a single word randomly.

LE

 :thumbsup
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 08:52:03 pm
In that interview from today Mark was quoted saying that it was about a brexit man... A man who cannot deal with change, with modern times, paying no longer with cash etc..

So it's just a man maybe talking to someone, who is not important, friend, wife, colleague, random person, justifying himself and complaining .. and he waits for the waiter (waitress) to deliver his bacon order .. and asks during he tells his story when the waitress comes along ... therefore the 'xcuse me...so the chorus interrupts the story and shows at the same time what kind of guy he is to order something so out-of-date ...

The waitress maybe has no such things as old fashioned bacon rolls anymore and suggests a toastie instead...  and in the question about which sauce, brown or red, the decision is reflected... the Brexit .

It's just that Mark never uses a single word randomly.

LE

 :thumbsup

Mark should hire you to write the liner notes for the album.
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Post by: Robson on November 13, 2018, 08:54:47 pm
Maybe they will be inside just like on the album Get Lucky.
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 08:58:00 pm
Maybe they will be inside just like on the album Get Lucky.

Right. LE, here's my plan: we write a collective email to Mark's management. I provide the chord book, you provide the liner notes. I take 50%.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 08:59:06 pm
First row tickets for all German shows and the Band Hotel would be ok with me.  ;D

LE
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Post by: mschaap on November 13, 2018, 09:38:39 pm
Must admit that after listening to this song a few more times and reading both the interpretations of you all here on AMIT as well as Mark discussing it in the recent interviews really made me revalue this song. Thanks for that. The subject and the not so straight foward lyrics of the verses seem quite interesting and clever. However, now I still can’t help thinking it’s a pitty somehow that both the chorus and the middle eight weren’t dealth with in a different way. Maybe changing perspective towards the view point of an observer or a culmination of moaning / self pity from the main character would have done better. To me that would sound less silly than building up to singing about a bacon roll and toastie, which seems otherwise unrelated to the rest of the lyrics. I would understand using something like that in a first verse to set the scene so to say, but not the chorus. Just my opinion, curious about yours.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 09:56:15 pm
Not sure about the rest of the UK but here in Scotland bacon rolls aren't an old man thing. Everybody eats them. My kids love a bacon roll.

And you don't put sauce on a toastie...
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 10:01:56 pm
Do you get them at Diners still?

 was following Shangri-La's suggestion about the red or brown line. What else could it mean?

"When you're dealing with a toastie
What would you prefer, brown or red?"

LE
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 13, 2018, 10:05:16 pm
Do you get them at Diners still?

 was following Shangri-La's suggestion about the red or brown line. What else could it mean?

"When you're dealing with a toastie
What would you prefer, brown or red?"

LE

I feel really stupid to write it, but could it be just mustard or ketchup?
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 10:06:59 pm
Not sure exactly what a diner would be here but you get them in cafes in the like, not an upmarket item you would get in a decent restaurant.

Typical fillings for a toastie:

Cheese
Cheese and ham
Cheese and tomato
Cheese and pickle
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 10:07:22 pm
Do you get them at Diners still?

 was following Shangri-La's suggestion about the red or brown line. What else could it mean?

"When you're dealing with a toastie
What would you prefer, brown or red?"

LE

I feel really stupid to write it, but could it be just mustard or ketchup?

Detail, but important one? To me, all the same... Wrong vocabulary...  ;D

LE
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 10:08:35 pm
Do you get them at Diners still?

 was following Shangri-La's suggestion about the red or brown line. What else could it mean?

"When you're dealing with a toastie
What would you prefer, brown or red?"

LE

I feel really stupid to write it, but could it be just mustard or ketchup?
It's brown sauce (HP) or red (tomato ketchup).

Typically you would have either with a bacon roll but neither with a toastie.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 10:10:54 pm
So maybe he says it as to show that he doesn't know a thing about toasties? Too modern for him?

LE

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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 10:13:36 pm
Maybe.

They aren't really modern though! Been around as long as I can remember!
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 10:17:13 pm
Ok. There I was referring to what was quoted in the Article this morning. Would be nice to have more input from people like you who know more about the circumstances...

LE
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 10:19:32 pm
https://www.scotsman.com/regions/aberdeen-north-east/hollywood-great-donald-sutherland-enjoys-toastie-in-aberdeen-takeaway-1-4543932

Donald Sutherland having a toastie here last year.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 10:21:00 pm
Ok. There I was referring to what was quoted in the Article this morning. Would be nice to have more input from people like you who know more about the circumstances...

LE
Yeah, I can't speak to MK's toastie experiences I'm afraid, only my own...
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 10:35:45 pm
That moment when you think you nailed it and then Dusty comes along destroying you with facts..  :lol

LE
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Post by: Fletch on November 13, 2018, 10:54:58 pm
Me & my mates would skip out of school (West Midlands) and across to the general store and either buy some chocolate - or - the richest among us would buy a bacon roll, which was (for this shop) a small roll with the tiniest piece of bacon! This was back in 1988, those were the days!
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Post by: holaknopfler on November 13, 2018, 10:58:55 pm
Me & my mates would skip out of school (West Midlands) and across to the general store and either buy some chocolate - or - the richest among us would buy a bacon roll, which was (for this shop) a small roll with the tiniest piece of bacon! This was back in 1988, those were the days!

I love these little stories. Did they eat them with brown or red?
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 13, 2018, 11:02:04 pm
OK, my take is that he's "brexit man" also known as a Gammon here in the UK, a white man, 50+.

He's a pain on the arse and he's been let go from his job because he's a pain in the arse.

He's in the cafe, and he's on his own, but he's trying to engage another customer in conversation, telling them about his old job.

In between he's haranguing the waiting staff, asking where his food is. He's alone so he's trying to get the person to join them so he says he could get them a toastie.

Haven't actually heard it yet...
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2018, 11:06:36 pm
Ok pretty much the same but in other words.  Cool thank you.

LE
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Post by: Fletch on November 13, 2018, 11:10:59 pm
Me & my mates would skip out of school (West Midlands) and across to the general store and either buy some chocolate - or - the richest among us would buy a bacon roll, which was (for this shop) a small roll with the tiniest piece of bacon! This was back in 1988, those were the days!

I love these little stories. Did they eat them with brown or red?

No sauce was offered or requested! Just drippings of melted butter and bacon fat!!

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Post by: superval99 on November 14, 2018, 07:42:15 am
I had a very tasty toastie at Pret a Manger yesterday - Cheese and Ham with a mustard sauce inside, very hot and crispy.   M&S also do very nice toasties, with ham & cheese inside and cheese also on the outside, but toasties should definitely not have brown or red sauce!    ;D
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 14, 2018, 08:27:03 am
But still the lyrics are
When dealing with a toastie what do you prefer, brown or red

So what do you make out of it?

Is it maybe indeed him showing no interest so far in toasties as he is a "man out of time"?

LE
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Post by: superval99 on November 14, 2018, 08:43:42 am
But still the lyrics are
When dealing with a toastie what do you prefer, brown or red

So what do you make out of it?

Is it maybe indeed him showing no interest so far in toasties as he is a "man out of time"?

LE

Mr Val occasionally has brown sauce with a toastie, but only if it needs it, he says, and he is definitely not a "man out of time"!    ;)
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Post by: jbaent on November 14, 2018, 09:05:59 am
But still the lyrics are
When dealing with a toastie what do you prefer, brown or red

So what do you make out of it?

Is it maybe indeed him showing no interest so far in toasties as he is a "man out of time"?

LE

Maybe means the character is asking the other people that about the toastie (Brexit) what's his opinion brown or red ( favour or against)?

Being the bacon roll the good old times to the main character?
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 14, 2018, 11:06:31 am
S'cuse me, have you got my roll? My bacon roll?
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Post by: PensaGhost on November 15, 2018, 05:49:01 pm
top 3 of the album imo, if not the best one
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 15, 2018, 05:49:50 pm
Agree.

LE
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Post by: Pyroaction on November 16, 2018, 09:42:42 am
But still the lyrics are
When dealing with a toastie what do you prefer, brown or red

LE
Brown is maybe a toastie with nothing on it ?
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Post by: Nick14 on November 16, 2018, 12:51:55 pm
I liked the way MK spoke about this today - with real affection not some snide piece - and also what I got from the song - which I wrote earlier in this thread - was pretty spot on with what he was saying - but from a different point of view. Sums up how I feel alot of the time so this one feels quite personal.
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Post by: Robson on November 17, 2018, 03:57:46 pm
Number one
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Post by: Shai on November 20, 2018, 07:18:08 am
From the sounds in the background at the beginning of the song, I detect silverware being cleared of plates, plates probably going from the busboy to the dishwasher; if so, this would lead me to believe that the protagonist is on the kitchen side of the counter - an order taker. It appears that the customer had already requested a bacon roll, since he didn't ask for "a" bacon roll, but instead for "my" bacon roll. That then leads me to believe that he had been sitting at the lunch counter for a while, listening to the order taker complaining about being "Basil", a square peg in a round hole, in the corporate world. The customer is probably impatient and not really interested in a conversation, so he interrupts the man and asks another order taker, probably the one whom he ordered the bacon roll from in the first place, where it is!   

Saul
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Post by: Knopflerfan on November 20, 2018, 08:50:34 am
From the sounds in the background at the beginning of the song, I detect silverware being cleared of plates, plates probably going from the busboy to the dishwasher; if so, this would lead me to believe that the protagonist is on the kitchen side of the counter - an order taker. It appears that the customer had already requested a bacon roll, since he didn't ask for "a" bacon roll, but instead for "my" bacon roll. That then leads me to believe that he had been sitting at the lunch counter for a while, listening to the order taker complaining about being "Basil", a square peg in a round hole, in the corporate world. The customer is probably impatient and not really interested in a conversation, so he interrupts the man and asks another order taker, probably the one whom he ordered the bacon roll from in the first place, where it is!   

Saul

Absolutely spot on there...  :thumbsup :clap
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Post by: Silvertown on November 20, 2018, 08:51:37 am
Yes I agree with Saul.
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Post by: skydiver on November 23, 2018, 08:03:45 am
German newspaper "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" has an interview with Mark in which he tells about the initial inspiration for the song.
He was sitting in a cafe when he heard a Brexit man asking "Have you got my roll, my bacon roll?"
And that such scences tell him something about people and he uses these scences for songs like in Money for Nothing.

Link to the interview:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/mark-knopfler-von-dire-straits-ich-spiele-wie-ein-klempner-15896198.html

"So saß ich etwa in einem Café, als ich einen Mann, so einen Brexit-Typen, fragen hörte: „Have you got my roll? My bacon roll?“ Für mich klingt das wie Poesie. Vermutlich bin ich daher kein Dichter, aber als Songwriter gefällt mir diese Szene, weil sie mir etwas über den Menschen sagt und ich sie für den Einstieg in einen Song verwenden kann. Der heißt dann auch „My Bacon Roll“ und ist auf dem neuen Album. Solche Momente gibt es immer wieder. Zumindest geht es mir so. Aber man braucht das Gespür, die Empathie oder das Mitgefühl, damit der Songwriter einen dieser Momente bemerkt. Es ist nicht das Gleiche wie bei einem Bühnen- oder Romanautor oder gar einem Lyriker. Der verwendet Wörter, die poetisch sind, aber niemals für einen Song genutzt werden könnten."

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Post by: Dale on December 29, 2018, 07:44:43 pm
Just received the album for Christmas and was thinking this might be one of the songs I wasn't feeling (semi-spoken-word singing, lame title, strange lyrics, a bit plain sounding).

After a few more listens, I really like it. Musically/rhythmically it reminds me of Sucker Row which is great, lyrically it recalls a bit of the feelings of Punish the Monkey.

Definitely a crap title, but what's in a name, really? If a woman had the unfortunate name Khaleesi but was pretty and was into MK it would all be okay!

Not my favourite, but growing on me with every listen.
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Post by: kaleo74 on December 29, 2018, 10:22:04 pm
Just received the album for Christmas and was thinking this might be one of the songs I wasn't feeling (semi-spoken-word singing, lame title, strange lyrics, a bit plain sounding).

After a few more listens, I really like it. Musically/rhythmically it reminds me of Sucker Row which is great, lyrically it recalls a bit of the feelings of Punish the Monkey.

Definitely a crap title, but what's in a name, really? If a woman had the unfortunate name Khaleesi but was pretty and was into MK it would all be okay!

Not my favourite, but growing on me with every listen.

Welcome to the forum Dale,

Wait to hear it on stage, I’m sure Mark will provide a new recipe for the bacon roll.
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Post by: shangri la 1 on January 16, 2019, 01:58:10 am
Those that have seen the made for A.M.I.T. TV video's of this, the "Video" blocked section starts at 3:37, which is about 1-minute after the 5-second cameo appearance of our man.
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Post by: Quality shoe on May 22, 2019, 04:44:18 pm
This is my favourite song in DTRW.
I think BR is pure emotion from an old man who falls out of a very fast changing time. He does not know how to live in it. And he is alone. Very beautiful and emotional song, I heard it at a concert. Mark chose her for his set list is no coincidence.
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Post by: kaleo74 on May 22, 2019, 06:23:51 pm
This is my favourite song in DTRW.
I think BR is pure emotion from an old man who falls out of a very fast changing time. He does not know how to live in it. And he is alone. Very beautiful and emotional song, I heard it at a concert. Mark chose her for his set list is no coincidence.

Welcome to the community Quality shoe,

yeah, you're right, I love this song too, Mark always finds a funny/emotional way to talk about his caracters or him. The live version is stunning.
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Post by: Love Expresso on June 02, 2021, 11:39:33 am
This one is known as the Brexit or Anti Brexit Song, but only after MK stated that in interviews. I guess when we started discussing this song back then, we thought about all different things but not Brexit. To me, these interviews showed a new MK, and it was not the most likeable one.

But speaking about the song: I have a problem with putting these two images together. Would you see the character in that song as likeable, sympathetic? Or more negative like let's say the guy in Money For Nothing?  To me it read like MK has a whole lot understanding and pity for a man dealing and trying to cope with the modern world (team building, wild water rafting, still smoking).The song has a big heart, so to say. Claiming that it is about "one of those lost Brexit people" ruins the message  and seems not honest to me.

So is his songwriting really that good if the message does not come across properly? I know about making your own decision on reading songs, Guy once called it applicability. But would this not mean that MK is positioning himself between both views? Is that a good thing?

LE

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Post by: jbaent on June 02, 2021, 12:03:51 pm
In Lisbon, before he sings the songs, MK says something like "Mr Brexit Man".

Maybe the character is old fashion and also a brexiter, because of that...
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Post by: Love Expresso on June 02, 2021, 12:12:30 pm
In Lisbon, before he sings the songs, MK says something like "Mr Brexit Man".

Maybe the character is old fashion and also a brexiter, because of that...

Yes, that's clear. That is not my point.

LE
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Post by: jbaent on June 02, 2021, 12:40:05 pm
In Lisbon, before he sings the songs, MK says something like "Mr Brexit Man".

Maybe the character is old fashion and also a brexiter, because of that...

Yes, that's clear. That is not my point.

LE

Mk always says that he preffer that people gets his own feeling about songs, not telling what they are about, but sometimes he says exactly what those songs are about, like in the case of "Bacon Roll". In my opinion that doesn't ruins the song but really adds something to it. If not you can think the song is about a random guy eating in a bar, the kind of character like MFN, but pointing to the old fashion man, the brexiter, it gives meaning to the whole thing, like "When you dealing with the toastie, what you prefer , brown or red", literally these are different sauces, but maybe the toastie is not a toastie, is the brexit thing, and the sauces are the choices... If MK doesn't explain such things, you can just understand the waiting is asking which sauce you want with the toastie...

Many songwriters doesn't want that the message is crystal clear when they write and record a song, and like that people gives it's own meaning, but maybe in the end they feel the song might need some explanation to get the meaning properly, specially when you are talking about toasties, that would be difficult to get for foreign listeners...

I hope i'm closer to your point now :)
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Post by: Love Expresso on June 02, 2021, 12:56:03 pm
No, I am afraid not. But thanks for your input.

I know all that about red or brown. In fact it was me suggesting that earlier in this thread. I also know about how MK usually writes.

My point is that the song shows a likeable character and is written from a very understanding point of view, but later in interviews MK is talking disparagingly about the type of man.

LE
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Post by: jbaent on June 02, 2021, 01:43:54 pm
No, I am afraid not. But thanks for your input.

I know all that about red or brown. In fact it was me suggesting that earlier in this thread. I also know about how MK usually writes.

My point is that the song shows a likeable character and is written from a very understanding point of view, but later in interviews MK is talking disparagingly about the type of man.

LE

Maybe it's your own interpretation of the character. From the first listening I didn't like the character and sounded to me like the MFN ones, or even the Heavy fuel character, obviously not that rude or disgusting, but certainly too old fashioned, the kind of person who is always complaining about modern life and telling everything was better before, so, when MK explained the song, it fitted well with the image I made myself of the character.

In a way I felt identified with the character as I also thinks sometimes modern life is too modern and I feel more comfortable with how things were before, but I know I have to adapt to the modern times, the character looks like he can't do that, or doesn't want to have to do that and is always complaining, and grumpy about that. Probably the same kind of person who would be a strong brexiter, the one that wants "Britain to be great again", if I'm allowed to compare it to Mr Orange man, formerly president of the USA.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: dmg on June 02, 2021, 02:55:02 pm
Since Brexit was voted for in a referendum and Boris Johnson won a landslide election surely "Mr Brexit man" is the most fashionable person in town and the song is a joke.  Certainly backfired big time.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: superval99 on June 02, 2021, 03:29:25 pm
Since Brexit was voted for in a referendum and Boris Johnson won a landslide election surely "Mr Brexit man" is the most fashionable person in town and the song is a joke.  Certainly backfired big time.

Yes, the remoaners have gone mysteriously quiet now!    ;D
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Stanko on June 02, 2021, 10:20:42 pm
This one is known as the Brexit or Anti Brexit Song, but only after MK stated that in interviews. I guess when we started discussing this song back then, we thought about all different things but not Brexit. To me, these interviews showed a new MK, and it was not the most likeable one.

But speaking about the song: I have a problem with putting these two images together. Would you see the character in that song as likeable, sympathetic? Or more negative like let's say the guy in Money For Nothing?  To me it read like MK has a whole lot understanding and pity for a man dealing and trying to cope with the modern world (team building, wild water rafting, still smoking).The song has a big heart, so to say. Claiming that it is about "one of those lost Brexit people" ruins the message  and seems not honest to me.

So is his songwriting really that good if the message does not come across properly? I know about making your own decision on reading songs, Guy once called it applicability. But would this not mean that MK is positioning himself between both views? Is that a good thing?

LE
The song leaves it to you, really (if you're not encumbered by suggested prejudices).
It's all up to story you like to build around him.
Personally, I take him as a hero, the same one you find in Camerado, 38' special, Skydiver or Basil...
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Robson on June 02, 2021, 11:50:28 pm
This one is known as the Brexit or Anti Brexit Song, but only after MK stated that in interviews. I guess when we started discussing this song back then, we thought about all different things but not Brexit. To me, these interviews showed a new MK, and it was not the most likeable one.

But speaking about the song: I have a problem with putting these two images together. Would you see the character in that song as likeable, sympathetic? Or more negative like let's say the guy in Money For Nothing?  To me it read like MK has a whole lot understanding and pity for a man dealing and trying to cope with the modern world (team building, wild water rafting, still smoking).The song has a big heart, so to say. Claiming that it is about "one of those lost Brexit people" ruins the message  and seems not honest to me.

So is his songwriting really that good if the message does not come across properly? I know about making your own decision on reading songs, Guy once called it applicability. But would this not mean that MK is positioning himself between both views? Is that a good thing?

LE
The song leaves it to you, really (if you're not encumbered by suggested prejudices).
It's all up to story you like to build around him.
Personally, I take him as a hero, the same one you find in Camerado, 38' special, Skydiver or Basil...

But Lucian Freud and Basil Bounting are not fictional people ;)
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 03, 2021, 10:27:04 am
I think this is one of MK's most amazing songs.

On hearing it I can picture EXACTLY who that person is.

What surprised me at first is that people who are not from the UK could see that as well so I have obviously done some of you a disservice as your contributions above show.

This is a typical British man (actually more likely to be English, but there are a few in Scotland, just not so many) in his late 50s/early 60s who has been bypassed by the 21st century and is now a dinosaur.

I think it was very lazy shorthand to call him "Brexit man". Yes, he would have voted for Brexit but the song isn't about Brexit, it's about a man out of time.

I'm surprised to see people are sympathetic to this character - he is moaning all the way through the song, and this reaches a climax when he impatiently asks the waiting staff where his food is instead of just waiting.

As I say, to me this is a great character study of a middle aged English man, but I guess there are also plenty of people like this in other countries, millions will have voted for Trump for example.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: superval99 on June 03, 2021, 10:42:03 am
I think this is one of MK's most amazing songs.

On hearing it I can picture EXACTLY who that person is.

What surprised me at first is that people who are not from the UK could see that as well so I have obviously done some of you a disservice as your contributions above show.

This is a typical British man (actually more likely to be English, but there are a few in Scotland, just not so many) in his late 50s/early 60s who has been bypassed by the 21st century and is now a dinosaur.

I think it was very lazy shorthand to call him "Brexit man". Yes, he would have voted for Brexit but the song isn't about Brexit, it's about a man out of time.

I'm surprised to see people are sympathetic to this character - he is moaning all the way through the song, and this reaches a climax when he impatiently asks the waiting staff where his food is instead of just waiting.

As I say, to me this is a great character study of a middle aged English man, but I guess there are also plenty of people like this in other countries, millions will have voted for Trump for example.

Yes, it is one of those songs where you can picture the whole thing - similar to The Scaffolder's Wife for example where I can see this lady with dyed blonde hair, teetering along in her stilleto shoes.   MK is a master at these sort of songs.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 03, 2021, 10:59:53 am
Exactly, I was thinking of The Scaffolders Wife when I was typing that.

I'm just surprised that these songs resonate with non UK people, because to me these people are just so British.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: quizzaciously on June 03, 2021, 11:07:47 am
Exactly, I was thinking of The Scaffolders Wife when I was typing that.

I'm just surprised that these songs resonate with non UK people, because to me these people are just so British.

Not always... I'm a Russian and to me, lyrics are extremely hard to understand. But maybe I'm just stupid because I don't understand lyrics even if it's in Russian... So in order to get MK's lyrics, you need to be smart first and also know English pretty well.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 03, 2021, 11:11:03 am
Exactly, I was thinking of The Scaffolders Wife when I was typing that.

I'm just surprised that these songs resonate with non UK people, because to me these people are just so British.

Not always... I'm a Russian and to me, lyrics are extremely hard to understand. But maybe I'm just stupid because I don't understand lyrics even if it's in Russian... So in order to get MK's lyrics, you need to be smart first and also know English pretty well.

I think the point with these two particular songs is that they are so impressively crafted by MK that if you know people like bacon roll man or the scaffolders wife you recognise them immediately from the lyric. Being Russian you probably wouldn't recognise these British people.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: jbaent on June 03, 2021, 11:20:56 am
Exactly, I was thinking of The Scaffolders Wife when I was typing that.

I'm just surprised that these songs resonate with non UK people, because to me these people are just so British.

I have to say that I recognize those characters also in a certain type of Spanish people. All my family comes from a village in centre Spain, where most of the women are very much like the scaffolders wife is described, and the men, end being very much like the bacon roll man... in this last case, the bacon roll character applies to many people also in Spain, even sometimes me, LOL
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Love Expresso on June 03, 2021, 01:29:14 pm


I think it was very lazy shorthand to call him "Brexit man". Yes, he would have voted for Brexit but the song isn't about Brexit, it's about a man out of time.


That's the best answer to my question, thank you. That was what made me think about it again. Why it all should be end up at Brexit. The character study seemed bigger and wider than just Brexit. And he announced the song live as the Brexit song. So that made me going.

And sympathetic maybe was not exactly what I meant but some sort of pity and understanding for him. Not a hard cynical view upon him but one with a big heart so to say.

LE
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Robson on June 03, 2021, 01:40:02 pm
A very interesting discussion:)

Yes, Mark said in one of the interviews that it is about a man out of time
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: jbaent on June 03, 2021, 08:24:46 pm



I think it was very lazy shorthand to call him "Brexit man". Yes, he would have voted for Brexit but the song isn't about Brexit, it's about a man out of time.


Maybe in MK's mind, a brexit man is a man out of time?

As a musician touring so many countries in Europe, Brexit means complications and problems that he didn't had to face before, so that's going back in time, loosing the easy it was, so, being out of time?
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Stanko on June 03, 2021, 08:39:55 pm
don't get me wrong here, I rather was not quite precise in my expression, what i meant was that I find him as a hero at least going against the flow unlike other with common ostrich syndrome.
On the other hand, i really feel sorry for the scaffolder's wife.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Stanko on June 03, 2021, 08:46:33 pm



I think it was very lazy shorthand to call him "Brexit man". Yes, he would have voted for Brexit but the song isn't about Brexit, it's about a man out of time.


Maybe in MK's mind, a brexit man is a man out of time?

As a musician touring so many countries in Europe, Brexit means complications and problems that he didn't had to face before, so that's going back in time, loosing the easy it was, so, being out of time?
when the time run you out you are finally free  ;D
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: KnopfleRick on June 03, 2021, 10:12:48 pm
The AMIT page is the only one on the web where you can read discussions as interesting as this one. A big thank you to all of you!
Speaking of 'My Bacon Roll'. I must say that after I heard the song for the very first time I was a little confused about the simple words and didn't know what MK wanted to say.
Like many of you I see in the song a person who cannot cope with all the changes that are going on in the world and who would rather leave everything as it was.
Yes, a man out of time. Maybe a lazy guy who doesn't want to develop any further. Something like that. Anyway you can find these characters all around the world.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: skydiver on June 04, 2021, 10:39:21 am
No, I am afraid not. But thanks for your input.

I know all that about red or brown. In fact it was me suggesting that earlier in this thread. I also know about how MK usually writes.

My point is that the song shows a likeable character and is written from a very understanding point of view, but later in interviews MK is talking disparagingly about the type of man.

LE

I think one shouldn't attach too much importance to the critical assessment of the character in what are most of the time superficial interviews. When MK is asked about characters in a song for the 100th time his answers are not always differentiated and very seldomly he talks about the true meaning of them for himself.
As well as the song Skydiver, My Bacon Roll is about more than just one character. MK also said in an interview that a friend told him about these team building seminars and that his friend couldn't see any meaning in them. So together with the "Brexit Man" in the restaurant we have at least two characters that feel/are out of place.
You can see these "out of place" characters from a neutral point of you: all of us feel out of place at some point.
Or you can see that from a compassionate point of view or from a disparaging point of view.
I think the song works on all three levels.
One shouldn't attach too much importance to just one or two interviews.

Finally what made a lasting impression on me during the first shows of the tour is MK's gesture pointing towards himself when he sang the line "and so am I". Subjectively I thought given his rather frail health status at the beginning of the tour, this gesture could also mean that he himself towards the end of his touring career could feel a litte fallen out of time and place, but that really is just my subjective little interpretation. But this gesture was the most memorable for me in the early shows.
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Love Expresso on June 04, 2021, 11:20:23 am
Thank you for pointing out, very interesting indeed. As I neither attended nor watched a complete show of 2019, I was not aware of that.

LE
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Stanko on June 04, 2021, 10:24:28 pm
No, I am afraid not. But thanks for your input.

I know all that about red or brown. In fact it was me suggesting that earlier in this thread. I also know about how MK usually writes.

My point is that the song shows a likeable character and is written from a very understanding point of view, but later in interviews MK is talking disparagingly about the type of man.

LE

I think one shouldn't attach too much importance to the critical assessment of the character in what are most of the time superficial interviews. When MK is asked about characters in a song for the 100th time his answers are not always differentiated and very seldomly he talks about the true meaning of them for himself.
As well as the song Skydiver, My Bacon Roll is about more than just one character. MK also said in an interview that a friend told him about these team building seminars and that his friend couldn't see any meaning in them. So together with the "Brexit Man" in the restaurant we have at least two characters that feel/are out of place.
You can see these "out of place" characters from a neutral point of you: all of us feel out of place at some point.
Or you can see that from a compassionate point of view or from a disparaging point of view.
I think the song works on all three levels.
One shouldn't attach too much importance to just one or two interviews.

Finally what made a lasting impression on me during the first shows of the tour is MK's gesture pointing towards himself when he sang the line "and so am I". Subjectively I thought given his rather frail health status at the beginning of the tour, this gesture could also mean that he himself towards the end of his touring career could feel a litte fallen out of time and place, but that really is just my subjective little interpretation. But this gesture was the most memorable for me in the early shows.
:thumbsup
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: knopflertom on June 06, 2021, 07:45:06 pm
Is there a thread where scaffolder's wife is discussed more deeply? It sounds that the meaning of this song is interesting
Title: Re: (07) My Bacon Roll
Post by: Knopflerfan on June 10, 2021, 09:19:25 am
Is there a thread where scaffolder's wife is discussed more deeply? It sounds that the meaning of this song is interesting

Feel free to start the ball rolling.....

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=5231.0