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Title: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 08:53:23 am
Discord as big Dire Straits bust-up ends on a sour note

They were giants of rock and one of Princess Diana’s favourite bands, but Dire Straits have hit a discordant note.

I can reveal that the group has been embroiled in an unharmonious bust-up involving their former frontman, Mark Knopfler, who sang about Money For Nothing.

Unbeknown to their fans, he started a legal dispute with his former band mates because he was so angry they were performing as a Dire Straits group.

‘I don’t know why he tried to sue us, but when you are worth that much you just do what you want,’ guitarist Phil Palmer tells me.

Knopfler, 71, who has a reputed fortune of £81million, formed Dire Straits in 1977 with his brother and fellow guitarist David, with John Illsley on bass and David ‘Pick’ Withers on drums. Palmer later joined them on tour.

With various line-ups they went on to enjoy huge worldwide success with hits such as Sultans Of Swing and Romeo And Juliet.

But Knopfler quit in the 1990s and is said to have taken legal action because he didn’t want the newly formed group, Dire Straits Legacy, to continue performing his music. They are due to go on tour next year, with venues including London’s O2 arena.

‘Mark accused us of passing ourselves off as Dire Straits, but we are the real thing, not a tribute band,’ claims Palmer.

‘He tried to stop us performing the songs. We had a bit of a “to do”. We were trying to be respectful.

‘It was John Illsley who actually came up with the band’s name, so it was not even Mark’s invention.

‘I don’t know if we are still mates. Our band is a respectful remodelling and it sounds exactly the same — that’s what people come to see.’

However, I’m told the matter has now been resolved.

‘Mark now gets a proportion of the ticket price as well as his Performing Rights Society percentage, as he wrote all the big hits,’ Palmer explains.

‘We have to be careful in foreign countries, to tell them not to put up huge posters of Mark, which happened to us in Argentina.’
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on August 19, 2021, 10:02:23 am
Dire Straits = MK. DS without MK can’t be Dire Straits. There is no difference except for marketing and scale. DS and the MK band are vehicles for his songs, it was always his party.

Phil sounds like a fool. He is not the real deal, he was a hired musician for just 1 album/tour. He is a great player, sure, but he’s an idiot for saying they’re the real deal without MK.

Mark has invested the last 25 years to keep the DS story alive, and they all made money out of it without doing anything. Every time he pops up or does anything, DS will be mentioned and remembered, wether he wants it or not. Where are their solo records and songs?

They’re ruining his name. It was always about the music, that’s what is most important, and nobody in the world comes close to MK. People buy a ticket for Phil’s party and they get a half-baked experience and maybe don’t buy the next MK record or ticket.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 10:14:10 am
100% agree with what you have said. MK was quite rightly furious!! Thus ToTT!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 19, 2021, 10:19:13 am
I assume MK just doesn't want fans to be misled.

If the posters have DIRE STRAITS in huge letters then legacy in a tiny font people could turn up expecting to see him.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 10:20:22 am
I assume MK just doesn't want fans to be misled.

If the posters have DIRE STRAITS in huge letters then legacy in a tiny font people could turn up expecting to see him.

Think that was exactly the problem in Argentina.....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: superval99 on August 19, 2021, 11:20:33 am
"Our band is a respectful remodelling and it sounds exactly the same — that’s what people come to see."

 It can't possibly sound the same with an Italian singer/guitarist!

The threat of a law suit probably resolved the matter and now MK gets a proportion of the ticket price, which is how it ought to have been as he wrote all of the songs.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 11:23:29 am
"Our band is a respectful remodelling and it sounds exactly the same — that’s what people come to see."

 It can't possibly sound the same with an Italian singer/guitarist!

The threat of a law suit probably resolved the matter and now MK gets a proportion of the ticket price, which is how it ought to have been.

Haha, yes I'm sure MK was not approached BEFORE and so was rightly cheesed off when he found out!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 11:34:50 am
"Our band is a respectful remodelling and it sounds exactly the same — that’s what people come to see."

 



How?? :hmm
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 19, 2021, 11:59:22 am
"Our band is a respectful remodelling and it sounds exactly the same — that’s what people come to see."

 It can't possibly sound the same with an Italian singer/guitarist!

The threat of a law suit probably resolved the matter and now MK gets a proportion of the ticket price, which is how it ought to have been.

Haha, yes I'm sure MK was not approached BEFORE and so was rightly cheesed off when he found out!!

Wait a minute, so these guys are trying to say that all this time they got ALL the money from ticket sales? That's not just the reason to be cheesed off, that's more like breaking the law to me. I know that this, technically, is not breaking any laws, but it sure feels like it. Even I give the money to Mark I gain from my videos, and I'm only a microscopic YouTuber, because that's his songs, for Mark's sake! And these guys go out and just do it like that? Boy... Glad it got resolved.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 19, 2021, 12:13:32 pm
Then again: Daily Mail


Trustworthy news?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 19, 2021, 12:15:44 pm
I assume MK just doesn't want fans to be misled.

If the posters have DIRE STRAITS in huge letters then legacy in a tiny font people could turn up expecting to see him.

Think that was exactly the problem in Argentina.....

Unfortunately, that's the problem with nearly all the tribute bands... And I don't know how you're going to sell tickets to your band's show as a band that plays someone else's music. Imagine, they would have no indication of a tribute band? Nobody would come to hear them. So it's a balancing act, give a clue it's not their music, but not give the impression it's the real deal. They clearly couldn't find the balance, so Mark offered a helping hand in the form of a law suit :lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 12:17:35 pm
Then again: Daily Mail


Trustworthy news?

It is 'The Daily Mail' - very true, but it could well be true? :hmm
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 12:19:34 pm
I assume MK just doesn't want fans to be misled.

If the posters have DIRE STRAITS in huge letters then legacy in a tiny font people could turn up expecting to see him.

Think that was exactly the problem in Argentina.....

Unfortunately, that's the problem with nearly all the tribute bands... And I don't know how you're going to sell tickets to your band's show as a band that plays someone else's music. Imagine, they would have no indication of a tribute band? Nobody would come to hear them. So it's a balancing act, give a clue it's not their music, but not give the impression it's the real deal. They clearly couldn't find the balance, so Mark offered a helping hand in the form of a law suit :lol

I haven't seen the Argentina poster in question but I should imagine it must have something like 'DIRE STRAITS' in bold with 'legacy' in tiny writing perhaps?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 19, 2021, 12:20:19 pm
Then again: Daily Mail


Trustworthy news?

It is 'The Daily Mail' - very true, but it could well be true? :hmm

Looks legit to me. Not the kind of a topic to gain anything from so might as well be legit. The quotes from the band's members are hilarious, tho :lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 19, 2021, 12:42:17 pm
If it's true, I honestly think it's a petty thing for Mark to do. I understand why he may feel upset about the whole thing, but it's not like DSL are "stealing" fans from Mark or causing lost album sales, quite the contrary I would guess. As long as they take measures to make sure there are no misunderstandings as to who they are (a tribute band) and pay whatever license fees to perform his songs in public, he should just let it slide. He's in the sunset years of his career, he's wealthy, successful, and there's no chance ever that DS will reunite, so why not be a little generous?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 19, 2021, 12:42:28 pm
Legally, everytime they played DS songs, MK receives money from that concerts because of the copyright of his songs. They have not to share the ticket money with him, as legally, just the copyright is enough.

Another different thing is if they reached an agreement that establish that, but ticket sales are for the performers, and then they have to pay, from that money, the copyright shares that belong to MK, thats the same to every tribute band around the globe.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 19, 2021, 12:47:51 pm
Legally, everytime they played DS songs, MK receives money from that concerts because of the copyright of his songs. They have not to share the ticket money with him, as legally, just the copyright is enough.

Another different thing is if they reached an agreement that establish that, but ticket sales are for the performers, and then they have to pay, from that money, the copyright shares that belong to MK, thats the same to every tribute band around the globe.


That Mark also should claim a percentage of the ticket revenue comes off as greedy. Seriously.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Robson on August 19, 2021, 12:52:11 pm
Unbeknown to their fans, he started a legal dispute with his former band mates because he was so angry they were performing as a Dire Straits group.

I do not believe. Wouldn't we have known about it sooner? Fans know it all.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 19, 2021, 12:52:15 pm
Legally, everytime they played DS songs, MK receives money from that concerts because of the copyright of his songs. They have not to share the ticket money with him, as legally, just the copyright is enough.

Another different thing is if they reached an agreement that establish that, but ticket sales are for the performers, and then they have to pay, from that money, the copyright shares that belong to MK, thats the same to every tribute band around the globe.


That Mark also should claim a percentage of the ticket revenue comes off as greedy. Seriously.

I agree he shouldn't had care at all, further than make sure they don't confuse the audience with the name, the announcements etc so everyone sees clearly they are not DS, but another band called DS Legacy with some ex members...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 01:06:38 pm
Unbeknown to their fans, he started a legal dispute with his former band mates because he was so angry they were performing as a Dire Straits group.

I do not believe. Wouldn't we have known about it sooner? The fans know it all.

I think personally to take the article with a 'pinch of salt' it is the Daily Mail after all....interesting nonetheless!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on August 19, 2021, 01:07:51 pm
Legally, everytime they played DS songs, MK receives money from that concerts because of the copyright of his songs. They have not to share the ticket money with him, as legally, just the copyright is enough.

Another different thing is if they reached an agreement that establish that, but ticket sales are for the performers, and then they have to pay, from that money, the copyright shares that belong to MK, thats the same to every tribute band around the globe.


That Mark also should claim a percentage of the ticket revenue comes off as greedy. Seriously.

It’s called goodwill and it’s very common in business. They’re using a name that he’s been working on for 40+ years. They’re nothing without the name.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 01:09:31 pm
Legally, everytime they played DS songs, MK receives money from that concerts because of the copyright of his songs. They have not to share the ticket money with him, as legally, just the copyright is enough.

Another different thing is if they reached an agreement that establish that, but ticket sales are for the performers, and then they have to pay, from that money, the copyright shares that belong to MK, thats the same to every tribute band around the globe.


That Mark also should claim a percentage of the ticket revenue comes off as greedy. Seriously.

It’s called goodwill and it’s very common in business. They’re using a name that he’s been working on for 40+ years. They’re nothing without the name.

Yes, good valid point with regards the DS name....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 19, 2021, 01:15:30 pm
Legally, everytime they played DS songs, MK receives money from that concerts because of the copyright of his songs. They have not to share the ticket money with him, as legally, just the copyright is enough.

Another different thing is if they reached an agreement that establish that, but ticket sales are for the performers, and then they have to pay, from that money, the copyright shares that belong to MK, thats the same to every tribute band around the globe.


That Mark also should claim a percentage of the ticket revenue comes off as greedy. Seriously.

It’s called goodwill and it’s very common in business. They’re using a name that he’s been working on for 40+ years. They’re nothing without the name.


Ah, ok. Makes sense. They would have to use a "version" of Dire Straits to avoid it, then, such as the Pink Floyd tribute band Brit Floyd?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 01:17:41 pm
Legally, everytime they played DS songs, MK receives money from that concerts because of the copyright of his songs. They have not to share the ticket money with him, as legally, just the copyright is enough.

Another different thing is if they reached an agreement that establish that, but ticket sales are for the performers, and then they have to pay, from that money, the copyright shares that belong to MK, thats the same to every tribute band around the globe.


That Mark also should claim a percentage of the ticket revenue comes off as greedy. Seriously.

It’s called goodwill and it’s very common in business. They’re using a name that he’s been working on for 40+ years. They’re nothing without the name.


Ah, ok. Makes sense. They would have to use a "version" of Dire Straits to avoid it, then, such as the Pink Floyd tribute band Brit Floyd?

Also similar to another DS tribute band called Dire Traits who I've seen, many moons ago...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 19, 2021, 01:22:58 pm
Interesting news.  I was thinking it should be right that guys such as Phil and Alan Clark should be paying a %age to MK, but then I thought does this mean that every DS tribute band is doing the same?  I can't imagine every tribute band going is paying royalties.  I suppose Legacy is being signed out here due to the use of the DS name but I wonder why they just don't change it:  Dire Traitors Legacy...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 19, 2021, 01:23:37 pm
LOL Dire Traits is not a flattering band name.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 01:26:37 pm
LOL Dire Traits is not a flattering band name.

To be honest they were ok (ish)
https://www.feenstra.co.uk/bands/diretraits/diretraits.htm
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 01:29:57 pm
Interesting news.  I was thinking it should be right that guys such as Phil and Alan Clark should be paying a %age to MK, but then I thought does this mean that every DS tribute band is doing the same?  I can't imagine every tribute band going is paying royalties.  I suppose Legacy is being signed out here due to the use of the DS name but I wonder why they just don't change it:  Dire Traitors Legacy...

I wonder if it's more the point of his ex band mates carrying on the DS name....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 19, 2021, 02:07:37 pm
Since there's also the DS Experience (with Chris White), I'm curious if they too have been threatened with legal action. Geez, this is weird.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 19, 2021, 02:19:27 pm
All tribute bands in the world (I know the main guitar player and singer of three Spanish tribute bands of DS) had received legal menaces from MK Management, so it's not something related to DS Legacy, Phil Palmer or Alan Clark, but something related to MK and his management menacing legally all the tribute bands.

The three Spanish bands had reached MK management and all ended with a warning of make it very clear they are not DS but a tribute band, and make sure that the promoters follow that. Economically talking there is no issue as MK receives his share via copyright, the tribute bands have to pay a fee in order to be able to play the show.

I think is rare that DS Legacy is going to share a part of the ticket sales... If that's true, maybe they reached a kind of "friendly" agreement.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 19, 2021, 02:33:00 pm
Funny that MK is suing Danny one day then hiring him the next...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: binone on August 19, 2021, 02:44:32 pm
What Dire Straits LTD. asked to their lawyers is to assure the brand Dire Straits is correctly used, asking tribute bands to use that way by changing advertisements, posters... Sometimes exceeding their faculties (asking to not use not copyrighted font letters). But they have the money, nor the tribute bands.

Always better a treat than a trial.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Robson on August 19, 2021, 02:47:11 pm
Funny that MK is suing Danny one day then hiring him the next...

And Danny agrees :) It's all strange.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 19, 2021, 02:58:38 pm
Funny that MK is suing Danny one day then hiring him the next...


And suddenly Phil plays with John Illsley and so on. Weird.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 03:04:59 pm
It's all mighty strange especially with Danny, sued one minute, in a band with MK next!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 03:07:03 pm
Funny that MK is suing Danny one day then hiring him the next...


And suddenly Phil plays with John Illsley and so on. Weird.

Onviously they've sorted any differences there may have been?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 19, 2021, 03:07:38 pm
It's all mighty strange especially with Danny, sued one minute, in a band with MK next!!

Mark always distinguishes music from the music business. He sues "the businessmen" and plays with the musicians.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 03:10:14 pm
It's all mighty strange especially with Danny, sued one minute, in a band with MK next!!

Mark always distinguishes music from the music business. He sues "the businessmen" and plays with the musicians.

Might well explain why Danny was 'dropped' as drummer?!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 19, 2021, 03:13:34 pm
It's all mighty strange especially with Danny, sued one minute, in a band with MK next!!

Mark always distinguishes music from the music business. He sues "the businessmen" and plays with the musicians.

Might well explain why Danny was 'dropped' as drummer?!

I think that was just classic "looking forward only" and hiring the more experienced and well-known and versatile drummer for whatever MK wanted to achieve. And in that regard he indeed succeeded!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 03:14:55 pm
It's all mighty strange especially with Danny, sued one minute, in a band with MK next!!

Mark always distinguishes music from the music business. He sues "the businessmen" and plays with the musicians.

Might well explain why Danny was 'dropped' as drummer?!

I think that was just classic "looking forward only" and hiring the more experienced and well-known and versatile drummer for whatever MK wanted to achieve. And in that regard he indeed succeeded!

Yes I suppose so, and Ianto was after all introduced to MK from Nigel Hitchcock....just sounds a bit suss with regards Danny....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 19, 2021, 03:37:09 pm
It's all mighty strange especially with Danny, sued one minute, in a band with MK next!!

Mark always distinguishes music from the music business. He sues "the businessmen" and plays with the musicians.

Might well explain why Danny was 'dropped' as drummer?!

I think that was just classic "looking forward only" and hiring the more experienced and well-known and versatile drummer for whatever MK wanted to achieve. And in that regard he indeed succeeded!

Yes I suppose so, and Ianto was after all introduced to MK from Nigel Hitchcock....just sounds a bit suss with regards Danny....

Actually Ianto was introduced to MK by Danny, and Ianto introduced MK to Nigel. And Nigel introduced MK to Tom Walsh and Graeme Blevins
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 03:39:40 pm
Oh yes, blimey you're right! I got muddled!! :clap
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 19, 2021, 03:46:11 pm
It's not really suss with Danny. Ianto is established as one of the top session drummers in the world.

Danny is one of the top percussionists in the world who did a good job as a stand in drummer.

Plus, Danny got the elbow long before the tribute nonsense started (I think).
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 03:48:35 pm
It's not really suss with Danny. Ianto is established as one of the top session drummers in the world.

Danny is one of the top percussionists in the world who did a good job as a stand in drummer.

Plus, Danny got the elbow long before the tribute nonsense started (I think).

It was just Suss how he 'disappeared' from being MKs drummer for a while, Ianto appeared and then next thing Danny's back. I did wonder then had he upset MK with the tribute lark...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on August 19, 2021, 04:07:23 pm
It's not really suss with Danny. Ianto is established as one of the top session drummers in the world.

Danny is one of the top percussionists in the world who did a good job as a stand in drummer.

Plus, Danny got the elbow long before the tribute nonsense started (I think).

It was just Suss how he 'disappeared' from being MKs drummer for a while, Ianto appeared and then next thing Danny's back. I did wonder then had he upset MK with the tribute lark...

I don't think it's correlated. Danny is well-beloved amongst fans, and he is the absolute king of SAN, but just listen to the difference between Chad and Danny in 2005 and WII/Sultans, for example, in 2010 and 2013. Danny is very elegant, but I personally prefer the liveliness of Chad and Ianto. I always felt like Mark was bored with Danny's limited drumming technique.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 04:13:02 pm
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 19, 2021, 04:14:18 pm
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film

That's true. I remember thinking at one point, that Danny's drumming is "too simple". But in the retrospect, I really miss his drumming! I get that Danny is a percussionist, but I never understood that labeling going on and I think he nailed almost every MK song he played in, I just love his drumming. It was discussed many times before tho.

Anyway, what really surprises me is that John Illsley has something to do with tribute bands, even suggesting names and all, and even Guy Fletcher went to America to collect the (in)famous HoF Award with some of the (in)famous people. Everything is so interconnected that it blows my mind, at least we got something from MK on that topic, but as expected, it's a rather negative experience.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 04:23:43 pm
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film

That's true. I remember thinking at one point, that Danny's drumming is "too simple". But in the retrospect, I really miss his drumming! I get that Danny is a percussionist, but I never understood that labeling going on and I think he nailed almost every MK song he played in, I just love his drumming. It was discussed many times before tho.

Anyway, what really surprises me is that John Illsley has something to do with tribute bands, even suggesting names and all, and even Guy Fletcher went to America to collect the (in)famous HoF Award with some of the (in)famous people. Everything is so interconnected that it blows my mind, at least we got something from MK on that topic, but as expected, it's a rather negative experience.

John and Guy I guess are respected by MK and I've no doubt whatsoever the feelings are mutual and so they all know the boundaries perhaps? As for Palmer & Co??
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: PensaGhost on August 19, 2021, 08:44:08 pm
If I remember correctly MK sued the woman guilty for his motorbike accident in 2003 (whole tour cancelled)
for 300 thousand pounds, I am sure this legal thing with the DS Legacy is credible

He even cancelled an official live release at the Royal Albert Hall just because RAH fees were too high, Guy Fletcher source,
which is incredible frankly artistically speaking, but I guess he has a strange bond with money
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 19, 2021, 08:49:55 pm
If I remember correctly MK sued the woman guilty for his motorbike accident in 2003 (whole tour cancelled)
for 300 thousand pounds, I am sure this legal thing with the DS Legacy is credible
I don’t remember that.

Possible he claimed for costs from her insurance I guess.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: mschaap on August 19, 2021, 09:30:45 pm
I would not take this so called news too seriously. I’d rather assume this just old news blown out of proportion. I believe this situation/issue has already been discussed in Phil Palmer’s book, described in less sensational / radical words.
Mark being furious and suing formerly hired guns... come on, he probably just didn’t want other people to publicly pretend to be dire straits (his band, his songs). Nothing more. There is big gap between not liking something and being furious. It needs no argument that Mark is entitled to have say in such matters and I fully understand he acts likewise. Mark business representatives / legal advisors then just make sure that the management and promoters (who try to cash in on his brand, songs etc.) of those who venture in that direction get informed clearly that are restrictions to all this. That’s probably all.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: the visitor on August 19, 2021, 10:27:24 pm
If I remember correctly MK sued the woman guilty for his motorbike accident in 2003 (whole tour cancelled)
for 300 thousand pounds, I am sure this legal thing with the DS Legacy is credible

He even cancelled an official live release at the Royal Albert Hall just because RAH fees were too high, Guy Fletcher source,
which is incredible frankly artistically speaking, but I guess he has a strange bond with money

You are right the article is here regarding suing for the 300k https://www.gigwise.com/news/17114/

She was also deported

Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 19, 2021, 10:35:23 pm
If I remember correctly MK sued the woman guilty for his motorbike accident in 2003 (whole tour cancelled)
for 300 thousand pounds, I am sure this legal thing with the DS Legacy is credible

He even cancelled an official live release at the Royal Albert Hall just because RAH fees were too high, Guy Fletcher source,
which is incredible frankly artistically speaking, but I guess he has a strange bond with money

You are right the article is here regarding suing for the 300k https://www.gigwise.com/news/17114/

She was also deported

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 19, 2021, 11:06:42 pm
If I remember correctly MK sued the woman guilty for his motorbike accident in 2003 (whole tour cancelled)
for 300 thousand pounds, I am sure this legal thing with the DS Legacy is credible

He even cancelled an official live release at the Royal Albert Hall just because RAH fees were too high, Guy Fletcher source,
which is incredible frankly artistically speaking, but I guess he has a strange bond with money

You are right the article is here regarding suing for the 300k https://www.gigwise.com/news/17114/

She was also deported

I suppose she won't be sending him postcards from Ecuador.  :lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 20, 2021, 12:07:01 am
If I remember correctly MK sued the woman guilty for his motorbike accident in 2003 (whole tour cancelled)
for 300 thousand pounds, I am sure this legal thing with the DS Legacy is credible

He even cancelled an official live release at the Royal Albert Hall just because RAH fees were too high, Guy Fletcher source,
which is incredible frankly artistically speaking, but I guess he has a strange bond with money

You are right the article is here regarding suing for the 300k https://www.gigwise.com/news/17114/

She was also deported

I suppose she won't be sending him postcards from Ecuador.  :lol

LOL! As far as I'm concerned, she expressed a kind of ignorant behavior towards MK, he said something like she never even asked him about his health, and couldn't even speak English altogether if I remember correctly. It was too long ago! Anyway, in my mind, she got what she deserved, and deportation certainly wasn't Mark's job. And probably lawsuits, but what do I know... I know only that MK has probably something like 12 lawyers who deal with all these things and he has nothing to do with this woman or DS Legacy or with anything.

I remember that RAH recordings weren't available because of the pricy tag, but I can understand MK in this situation, to be honest. Often, even if you have the money, you just don't spend it on something that's clearly overpriced or doesn't worth it. To think of it, Albert Hall probably asked for such a huge price tag for recordings that even MK's accountants were like "No, thanks".
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 20, 2021, 12:07:23 am
If I remember correctly MK sued the woman guilty for his motorbike accident in 2003 (whole tour cancelled)
for 300 thousand pounds, I am sure this legal thing with the DS Legacy is credible

He even cancelled an official live release at the Royal Albert Hall just because RAH fees were too high, Guy Fletcher source,
which is incredible frankly artistically speaking, but I guess he has a strange bond with money

You are right the article is here regarding suing for the 300k https://www.gigwise.com/news/17114/

She was also deported

I suppose she won't be sending him postcards from Ecuador.  :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 20, 2021, 12:53:43 am
It's all mighty strange especially with Danny, sued one minute, in a band with MK next!!

Mark always distinguishes music from the music business. He sues "the businessmen" and plays with the musicians.

Might well explain why Danny was 'dropped' as drummer?!

I think that was just classic "looking forward only" and hiring the more experienced and well-known and versatile drummer for whatever MK wanted to achieve. And in that regard he indeed succeeded!

Yes I suppose so, and Ianto was after all introduced to MK from Nigel Hitchcock....just sounds a bit suss with regards Danny....

Actually Ianto was introduced to MK by Danny, and Ianto introduced MK to Nigel. And Nigel introduced MK to Tom Walsh and Graeme Blevins

Are you sure about this? I heard that MK met Ian Thomas during a session for the Bap Kennedy record in late 2010. What happened later I'm not sure but I think that Glenn Worf was involved too in the drummer switch. Hard for me to believe that Danny, as classy as he is, introduced another drummer to Mark.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 20, 2021, 01:00:15 am
It's not really suss with Danny. Ianto is established as one of the top session drummers in the world.

Danny is one of the top percussionists in the world who did a good job as a stand in drummer.

Plus, Danny got the elbow long before the tribute nonsense started (I think).

It was just Suss how he 'disappeared' from being MKs drummer for a while, Ianto appeared and then next thing Danny's back. I did wonder then had he upset MK with the tribute lark...

I don't think it's correlated. Danny is well-beloved amongst fans, and he is the absolute king of SAN, but just listen to the difference between Chad and Danny in 2005 and WII/Sultans, for example, in 2010 and 2013. Danny is very elegant, but I personally prefer the liveliness of Chad and Ianto. I always felt like Mark was bored with Danny's limited drumming technique.

Danny's limited technique, you must be kidding. Sorry but I see zero liveliness in Ian Thomas' playing. He is a good drummer that's for sure. The difference between Danny and any other recent drummer is that Danny played the music with his heart.

Danny owned every song and left space for other instruments and his interactions with both MK and Matt Rollings too (another unfortunate loss...) were remarkable to say the least. A perfect alchemy I should say. Ian Thomas' patterns are far too complicated and his drumming is omnipresent in Mark's music but as long as MK himself is happy with this...

Danny is still the most obvious choice for MK and not only for SAN. He should have never had to leave the band. Shame.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 20, 2021, 01:04:08 am
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film
I've never felt that MK was irritated by what you mention above but both Chad Cromwell and Ian Thomas use cymbals much more frequently than Danny...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: PensaGhost on August 20, 2021, 01:10:54 am
I remember that RAH recordings weren't available because of the pricy tag

No, it was a different project, a full DVD/Bluray project cancelled because of RAH fees
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: PensaGhost on August 20, 2021, 01:12:21 am
It's not really suss with Danny. Ianto is established as one of the top session drummers in the world.

Danny is one of the top percussionists in the world who did a good job as a stand in drummer.

Plus, Danny got the elbow long before the tribute nonsense started (I think).

It was just Suss how he 'disappeared' from being MKs drummer for a while, Ianto appeared and then next thing Danny's back. I did wonder then had he upset MK with the tribute lark...

I don't think it's correlated. Danny is well-beloved amongst fans, and he is the absolute king of SAN, but just listen to the difference between Chad and Danny in 2005 and WII/Sultans, for example, in 2010 and 2013. Danny is very elegant, but I personally prefer the liveliness of Chad and Ianto. I always felt like Mark was bored with Danny's limited drumming technique.

Danny's limited technique, you must be kidding. Sorry but I see zero liveliness in Ian Thomas' playing. He is a good drummer that's for sure. The difference between Danny and any other recent drummer is that Danny played the music with his heart. He was the most obvious choice for MK and not only for SAN. He should have never had to leave the band. Shame.

I consider Danny the MK of drums, he is the best
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 20, 2021, 01:15:14 am
It's not really suss with Danny. Ianto is established as one of the top session drummers in the world.

Danny is one of the top percussionists in the world who did a good job as a stand in drummer.

Plus, Danny got the elbow long before the tribute nonsense started (I think).

It was just Suss how he 'disappeared' from being MKs drummer for a while, Ianto appeared and then next thing Danny's back. I did wonder then had he upset MK with the tribute lark...

I don't think it's correlated. Danny is well-beloved amongst fans, and he is the absolute king of SAN, but just listen to the difference between Chad and Danny in 2005 and WII/Sultans, for example, in 2010 and 2013. Danny is very elegant, but I personally prefer the liveliness of Chad and Ianto. I always felt like Mark was bored with Danny's limited drumming technique.

Danny's limited technique, you must be kidding. Sorry but I see zero liveliness in Ian Thomas' playing. He is a good drummer that's for sure. The difference between Danny and any other recent drummer is that Danny played the music with his heart. He was the most obvious choice for MK and not only for SAN. He should have never had to leave the band. Shame.

I consider Danny the MK of drums, he is the best
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 20, 2021, 01:16:18 am
I consider Danny the MK of drums, he is the best

He's the best indeed! The thing I only realized after the switch... Not for MK, apparently. Ian Thomas is like a Michelin Star restaurant equivalent of a drummer.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 20, 2021, 07:42:29 am
I consider Danny the MK of drums, he is the best

He's the best indeed! The thing I only realized after the switch... Not for MK, apparently. Ian Thomas is like a Michelin Star restaurant equivalent of a drummer.

Along with Chad too!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 20, 2021, 07:44:21 am
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film
I've never felt that MK was irritated by what you mention above but both Chad Cromwell and Ian Thomas use cymbals much more frequently than Danny...

Ah, you need to look closely my friend - there are definite frowns towards Danny at times......
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 20, 2021, 08:57:40 am
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 20, 2021, 09:42:53 am
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.


Could an illegal immigrant even get insurance, though? Unless she had false papers.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 20, 2021, 09:45:45 am
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.

I seems to recall she hadn't insurance either, but I'm not sure...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: superval99 on August 20, 2021, 09:48:37 am
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.

She was here illegally and both unlicenced and uninsured.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 20, 2021, 09:49:25 am
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film
I've never felt that MK was irritated by what you mention above but both Chad Cromwell and Ian Thomas use cymbals much more frequently than Danny...

Ah, you need to look closely my friend - there are definite frowns towards Danny at times......
Well I think I know my 2002-2010 years pretty much by heart and I never saw MK frowning towards Danny. Plus, how could you tell for sure as when MK turns to his drummer, you simply can't see his face...

I could find zillions of examples when Danny shines on drums throughout the years but let's consider the only professional DVD that exists, which is from the 2006 tour. The drums are really put in the spotlight (thanks Guy, I think...) and all songs are masterpieces from that perspective: right now, red staggerwing, Romeo and Juliet, I dug up a diamond, This is us, Speedway or So far away (the best I've ever heard). I can hear talent there but I can't hear too many cimbals  ;D
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 20, 2021, 10:00:04 am
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/3848151.stm
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 20, 2021, 10:16:10 am
Didn't realise she got 15 months in prison.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 20, 2021, 11:36:36 am
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film
I've never felt that MK was irritated by what you mention above but both Chad Cromwell and Ian Thomas use cymbals much more frequently than Danny...

Ah, you need to look closely my friend - there are definite frowns towards Danny at times......
how could you tell for sure as when MK turns to his drummer, you simply can't see his face...



 What about the views from behind the drum kit when MK looks round towards Danny and there is at one point a stare of sorts..... ::)
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 20, 2021, 11:47:22 am
Danny was a good 'stop gap' drummer as it were and I admit is masterful on some tracks. But there is a notable difference between Chad & Danny and of course Danny & Ianto. I get the impression that MK became irritated of Danny's frequent Cymbal playing at times! There are some stern looks from MK to Danny during the 'Real Live Roadrunning' film
I've never felt that MK was irritated by what you mention above but both Chad Cromwell and Ian Thomas use cymbals much more frequently than Danny...

Ah, you need to look closely my friend - there are definite frowns towards Danny at times......
how could you tell for sure as when MK turns to his drummer, you simply can't see his face...



 What about the views from behind the drum kit when MK looks round towards Danny and there is at one point a stare of sorts..... ::)

If you're talking about the Roadrunning DVD I'll check but I have never ever noticed such things. After all during this very show, he introduces Danny saying "savouring every beat" so... that's what I always do.

Ah well this whole story really pisses me off even 11 years after  :disbelief
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 20, 2021, 12:06:15 pm
Didn't realise she got 15 months in prison.

But it was because a passport fraud, prior to the accident.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Kris-b on August 20, 2021, 01:19:21 pm
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/3848151.stm
When I read this, I feel that we can all be grateful, that Mark wasn’t hurt more serious!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 20, 2021, 03:11:58 pm
When I listen to the charity shows from 2002, the promo tour and look at the songs rehearsed for the tour I can't help but feel we missed out on the last great Mark Knopfler tour due to that incident. 
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 20, 2021, 03:26:28 pm
When I listen to the charity shows from 2002, the promo tour and look at the songs rehearsed for the tour I can't help but feel we missed out on the last great Mark Knopfler tour due to that incident.

But in return, we got probably the best solo MK album after the accident ;D
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 20, 2021, 03:45:35 pm
When I listen to the charity shows from 2002, the promo tour and look at the songs rehearsed for the tour I can't help but feel we missed out on the last great Mark Knopfler tour due to that incident.
Yes it's what I've always thought too. And with a much different band line-up too!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 20, 2021, 04:02:06 pm
When I listen to the charity shows from 2002, the promo tour and look at the songs rehearsed for the tour I can't help but feel we missed out on the last great Mark Knopfler tour due to that incident.
Yes it's what I've always thought too. And with a much different band line-up too!

What was the line up again?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 20, 2021, 05:06:27 pm
When I listen to the charity shows from 2002, the promo tour and look at the songs rehearsed for the tour I can't help but feel we missed out on the last great Mark Knopfler tour due to that incident.
Yes it's what I've always thought too. And with a much different band line-up too!

What was the line up again?

Mark Knopfler (guitar, vocals)
Guy Fletcher (keyboards, guitar, vocals)
Richard Bennett (guitar)
Jim Cox (piano, organ, accordion)
Danny Cummings (drums)
Marcus Cliffe (bass)
Fats Kaplin (guitar, fiddle, pedal steel)
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: marki on August 20, 2021, 09:05:51 pm
Not to mentioned MK & Eric Clapton (and more) concert that was supposed to take place few days after the accident...

I feel that this article is more of a PR stunt to promote their tour. Just ordinary legal things that happen all the time (done by MK management), more related to not misleading the fans that it's actually DS. I know quite a few people who did think it's DS, based on their ads.

My guess is that us fans are discussing this matter far more than MK himself.

Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 21, 2021, 12:17:40 am
When I listen to the charity shows from 2002, the promo tour and look at the songs rehearsed for the tour I can't help but feel we missed out on the last great Mark Knopfler tour due to that incident.

Quite possibly....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 21, 2021, 12:22:44 am
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/3848151.stm
When I read this, I feel that we can all be grateful, that Mark wasn’t hurt more serious!

Hear, hear.....Wonder if the accident has had any long term effects?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 21, 2021, 12:52:35 am
I doubt an illegal immigrant who couldn’t speak English had 300k.

I bet he sued her insurers, and I’m sure he lost a lot more when the tour was cancelled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/3848151.stm
When I read this, I feel that we can all be grateful, that Mark wasn’t hurt more serious!

Hear, hear.....Wonder if the accident has had any long term effects?

I think MK rides less ridiculous bikes now, no sports bikes. Personally, I hate this type of transport because it's just basically a question of time when you'll end up in a hospital riding this thing. As for medical effects, I remember Mark said he had some metal joints replaced in his body and I knew some people who had this as well and he could have some still. Something like titanium supports for bones or something. An accident like that simply can't leave you unaffected.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 21, 2021, 08:31:54 am
He started playing slide more. I guess that had something to do with the accident, too.

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 21, 2021, 12:48:58 pm
He started playing slide more. I guess that had something to do with the accident, too.

LE

Maybe the "whammy bar" too.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: rmarques821 on August 21, 2021, 08:55:19 pm
When I listen to the charity shows from 2002, the promo tour and look at the songs rehearsed for the tour I can't help but feel we missed out on the last great Mark Knopfler tour due to that incident.

Quite possibly....
"I could love you too!"
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 22, 2021, 01:48:08 pm
"Our band is a respectful remodeling and it sounds exactly the same — that’s what people come to see."

It can't possibly sound the same with an Italian singer/guitarist!

That's something I've always had a gripe with, I mean could they at least find a British/American singer for this "respectful remodeling"? I'm not claiming to be doing a respectful remodeling of Mark's songs myself because I'm Russian and I know how bad my accent sounds sometimes, and it sometimes drives me crazy. But you can't hide that! And of course, such bold claims on such scale is also something that's telling me there's something off with these guys. Why every time they say something it's guaranteed to be arrogant and filled with heightened self-esteem?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 22, 2021, 02:15:20 pm
If you don't have a strong Spanish/Italian/German accent, it's just not a cover band.  ;D that's the main thing about these people.

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: hunter on August 22, 2021, 06:49:47 pm
If you don't have a strong Spanish/Italian/German accent, it's just not a cover band.  ;D that's the main thing about these people.

LE


 ;D
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Elin N on August 22, 2021, 08:14:00 pm
Have no-one read Phil Palmers book? It's all there; the lawsuit, that John Illsley suggested the name DS Legacy, and that it was Danny who suggested Ian. They all know each other after many years in the business.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 22, 2021, 09:25:01 pm
If you don't have a strong Spanish/Italian/German accent, it's just not a cover band.  ;D that's the main thing about these people.

LE
Lolz!


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Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 22, 2021, 10:19:43 pm
Have no-one read Phil Palmers book? It's all there; the lawsuit, that John Illsley suggested the name DS Legacy, and that it was Danny who suggested Ian. They all know each other after many years in the business.
I'm entitled to believe this but I'd need excerpts. Why the hell would Danny suggest another drummer? And how could Palmer know this for sure?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 22, 2021, 10:23:41 pm
Have no-one read Phil Palmers book? It's all there; the lawsuit, that John Illsley suggested the name DS Legacy, and that it was Danny who suggested Ian. They all know each other after many years in the business.
I'm entitled to believe this but I'd need excerpts. Why the hell would Danny suggest another drummer? And how could Palmer know this for sure?

Danny didn't feel good being a drummer and gave a step aside, suggesting Ian.

Palmer and Cummings played together in multiple projects, not only DS but also about 25 years with George Michael, and many many other projects. They know each for long.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 22, 2021, 10:30:20 pm
Have no-one read Phil Palmers book? It's all there; the lawsuit, that John Illsley suggested the name DS Legacy, and that it was Danny who suggested Ian. They all know each other after many years in the business.
I'm entitled to believe this but I'd need excerpts. Why the hell would Danny suggest another drummer? And how could Palmer know this for sure?

Danny didn't feel good being a drummer and gave a step aside, suggesting Ian.

Palmer and Cummings played together in multiple projects, not only DS but also about 25 years with George Michael, and many many other projects. They know each for long.

I can't believe Danny not feeling good after being Mark's drummer after what happened during the 2005 tour, after 4 tours and 3 albums. Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 22, 2021, 10:57:49 pm
Have no-one read Phil Palmers book? It's all there; the lawsuit, that John Illsley suggested the name DS Legacy, and that it was Danny who suggested Ian. They all know each other after many years in the business.
I'm entitled to believe this but I'd need excerpts. Why the hell would Danny suggest another drummer? And how could Palmer know this for sure?

Danny didn't feel good being a drummer and gave a step aside, suggesting Ian.

Palmer and Cummings played together in multiple projects, not only DS but also about 25 years with George Michael, and many many other projects. They know each for long.

I can't believe Danny feeling good after being Mark's drummer after what happened during the 2005 tour, after 4 tours and 3 albums. Doesn't make sense.

Guy said that was the reason why Danny left in his forum many years ago, as was questioned about it.

I guess Danny wanted to be a percussionist which is what he does best.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 22, 2021, 11:05:05 pm
Guy said that was the reason why Danny left in his forum many years ago, as was questioned about it.

I guess Danny wanted to be a percussionist which is what he does best.

I think Danny is an extremely modest and intelligent gentleman, he knew he was replacing a long-time drummer and did so in a hurry, and I don't think he even thought that lineup change would last for so long. And I think he knew he's gonna be replaced anyway, so he suggested the best alternative that there is. I can't see too much drama here. Though I must admit it again, I love his drumming soooooo much and miss it as much. I think Mark certainly went here fame/status/reputation way over music. As much as Ian is a legendary musician, it doesn't mean Mark's music would benefit from it like they think it should.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 22, 2021, 11:07:24 pm
Have no-one read Phil Palmers book? It's all there; the lawsuit, that John Illsley suggested the name DS Legacy, and that it was Danny who suggested Ian. They all know each other after many years in the business.
I'm entitled to believe this but I'd need excerpts. Why the hell would Danny suggest another drummer? And how could Palmer know this for sure?

Danny didn't feel good being a drummer and gave a step aside, suggesting Ian.

Palmer and Cummings played together in multiple projects, not only DS but also about 25 years with George Michael, and many many other projects. They know each for long.

I can't believe Danny feeling good after being Mark's drummer after what happened during the 2005 tour, after 4 tours and 3 albums. Doesn't make sense.

Guy said that was the reason why Danny left in his forum many years ago, as was questioned about it.

I guess Danny wanted to be a percussionist which is what he does best.
When you've been the drummer of one the best guitarists on the planet for 5 years, you can't pretend not being a world class drummer, so I can't believe this theory unless Danny himself proves me wrong.

Plus, as a professional musician himself, what would be his interest in telling Mark: hey Mark, I don't want to be your drummer but I found someone who could do the job instead of me.

I think the truth is somewhere else and is much more simple: it was Mark's decision, as good as it gets.

Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 22, 2021, 11:10:06 pm
Have no-one read Phil Palmers book? It's all there; the lawsuit, that John Illsley suggested the name DS Legacy, and that it was Danny who suggested Ian. They all know each other after many years in the business.
I'm entitled to believe this but I'd need excerpts. Why the hell would Danny suggest another drummer? And how could Palmer know this for sure?

Danny didn't feel good being a drummer and gave a step aside, suggesting Ian.

Palmer and Cummings played together in multiple projects, not only DS but also about 25 years with George Michael, and many many other projects. They know each for long.

I can't believe Danny feeling good after being Mark's drummer after what happened during the 2005 tour, after 4 tours and 3 albums. Doesn't make sense.

Guy said that was the reason why Danny left in his forum many years ago, as was questioned about it.

I guess Danny wanted to be a percussionist which is what he does best.

And an exceptional percussionist he is!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 23, 2021, 08:34:44 am
I always thought (because I read it somewhere) that Glen Worf was not happy with Danny as part of the "rhythm section" so he suggested Ianto. Danny probably agreed and confirmed it.

On the albums I think Ianto sounds very well and probably because of his ego the drums are more prominent in the recording since he is on board. Live I think his ego sometimes is in his way, he wants to shine all the time and does not perfectly well works that "the song is king" premise.

I can't judge who is the better drummer. But I can say for sure that Danny fitted far better and it seemed he was spiritually and musically exactly on the same level or at the same sphere as Mark. He seemed to dig Mark's ideas 100 %. Ianto often sounds like a session drummer who knows it all but with not too much feel.

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 23, 2021, 08:56:05 am
I always thought (because I read it somewhere) that Glen Worf was not happy with Danny as part of the "rhythm section" so he suggested Ianto. Danny probably agreed and confirmed it.

On the albums I think Ianto sounds very well and probably because of his ego the drums are more prominent in the recording since he is on board. Live I think his ego sometimes is in his way, he wants to shine all the time and does not perfectly well works that "the song is king" premise.

I can't judge who is the better drummer. But I can say for sure that Danny fitted far better and it seemed he was spiritually and musically exactly on the same level or at the same sphere as Mark. He seemed to dig Mark's ideas 100 %. Ianto often sounds like a session drummer who knows it all but with not too much feel.

LE

You've as always described my thoughts better than I could do it myself :clap

I think the most amusing part is since MK already changed drummers, he can't just bring Danny back, even if he likes his drumming more because that would look somewhat stupid, so he sticks to Ian. Maybe he will change him later down the road, provided he'll tour anyway, but of course, having such a professional drummer is not something MK would want to change in my opinion. He has the band that's 1000 times overqualified for the music they need to play anyway :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 23, 2021, 09:48:58 am
I always thought (because I read it somewhere) that Glen Worf was not happy with Danny as part of the "rhythm section" so he suggested Ianto. Danny probably agreed and confirmed it.

I can't judge who is the better drummer. But I can say for sure that Danny fitted far better and it seemed he was spiritually and musically exactly on the same level or at the same sphere as Mark. He seemed to dig Mark's ideas 100 %. Ianto often sounds like a session drummer who knows it all but with not too much feel.

LE
That's it exactly, thanks!  :clap

As for the Glenn Worf story, I read it too but I couldn't confirm though. Shame if true.  :thumbsdown
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 23, 2021, 10:37:26 am
I think we are more driven by sympathy about certain members, but those guys are professional Musicians at work. The 96ers had their very unique and original manifestation only in 1996, from them on it was just the core of Guy, Richard and Glen. Jim Cox had to pause because of health problems, so it's just a coming and going anyway. Danny came in for Chad and stayed, Mike came in mid tour 2010 and was obviously not thought of as future band member. I think the personal level is more important to Mark than the musical one. They all are great at what they do. The background, the stories, the history, that might be pinnacle for Mark. I loved the fact that Mike found so much about his father in Mighty Man. It seemed Mark developed the song with that in mind almost as a gift to Mike and I am sure that was the reason the song made it onto the set list. What I try to say is that the personal chemistry in a band is obviously a very important thing not to be underestimated. All those long tours during the last 20 years must have formed a very special bonding between these guys. The fact that Danny was part of the last album is an example for that I guess.

LE
 
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: superval99 on August 23, 2021, 10:51:08 am
I think we are more driven by sympathy about certain members, but those guys are professional Musicians at work. The 96ers had their very unique and original manifestation only in 1996, from them on it was just the core of Guy, Richard and Glen. Jim Cox had to pause because of health problems, so it's just a coming and going anyway. Danny came in for Chad and stayed, Mike came in mid tour 2010 and was obviously not thought of as future band member. I think the personal level is more important to Mark than the musical one. They all are great at what they do. The background, the stories, the history, that might be pinnacle for Mark. I loved the fact that Mike found so much about his father in Mighty Man. It seemed Mark developed the song with that in mind almost as a gift to Mike and I am sure that was the reason the song made it onto the set list. What I try to say is that the personal chemistry in a band is obviously a very important thing not to be underestimated. All those long tours during the last 20 years must have formed a very special bonding between these guys. The fact that Danny was part of the last album is an example for that I guess.

LE

Don't forget John McCusker!  He's been there since 2008. ;)
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 23, 2021, 10:52:42 am
I think we are more driven by sympathy about certain members, but those guys are professional Musicians at work. The 96ers had their very unique and original manifestation only in 1996, from them on it was just the core of Guy, Richard and Glen. Jim Cox had to pause because of health problems, so it's just a coming and going anyway. Danny came in for Chad and stayed, Mike came in mid tour 2010 and was obviously not thought of as future band member. I think the personal level is more important to Mark than the musical one. They all are great at what they do. The background, the stories, the history, that might be pinnacle for Mark. I loved the fact that Mike found so much about his father in Mighty Man. It seemed Mark developed the song with that in mind almost as a gift to Mike and I am sure that was the reason the song made it onto the set list. What I try to say is that the personal chemistry in a band is obviously a very important thing not to be underestimated. All those long tours during the last 20 years must have formed a very special bonding between these guys. The fact that Danny was part of the last album is an example for that I guess.

LE

Good points here LE.....Indeed, like Superval has said we mustn't forget Mr Mccusker!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 23, 2021, 10:58:12 am
I like Matt Rollings very much too. Same as Danny, I thought that his style fits very much to Mark's music but...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Robson on August 23, 2021, 11:50:24 am
 "I loved the fact that Mike found so much about his father in Mighty Man...

 I didn't know about it. I love Mighty Man. LE Can you write something more?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 23, 2021, 07:14:04 pm
I like Matt Rollings very much too. Same as Danny, I thought that his style fits very much to Mark's music but...

Good call, I enjoyed Matt's contribution to MK's music.....loved his playing with the accordian on the Misty Mountains...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: superval99 on August 23, 2021, 08:13:56 pm
I really liked Matt's piano playing, it was very sensitive, but I understand why Jim returned to the band.  I met him at City Hall in Newcastle in 2008, just before the show.  He signed my copy of KTGC and introduced us to his wife, Paloma.   I told him that I enjoyed his work with Mary Chapin Carpenter, especially her album "Come On, Come On"  and he seemed happy about that.    A very nice person. :)



 
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 23, 2021, 09:17:15 pm
I really liked Matt's piano playing, it was very sensitive, but I understand why Jim returned to the band.  I met him at City Hall in Newcastle in 2008, just before the show.  He signed my copy of KTGC and introduced us to his wife, Paloma.   I told him that I enjoyed his work with Mary Chapin Carpenter, especially her album "Come On, Come On"  and he seemed happy about that.    A very nice person. :)

Fabulous tale, thanks Superval....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 23, 2021, 09:19:18 pm
I really liked Matt's piano playing, it was very sensitive, but I understand why Jim returned to the band.  I met him at City Hall in Newcastle in 2008, just before the show.  He signed my copy of KTGC and introduced us to his wife, Paloma.   I told him that I enjoyed his work with Mary Chapin Carpenter, especially her album "Come On, Come On"  and he seemed happy about that.    A very nice person. :)
Bizarre coincidence, sitting listening to Come On Come On when I clicked on this!

And I also met Matt in Newcastle in 2008…
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 23, 2021, 09:30:05 pm
I really liked Matt's piano playing, it was very sensitive, but I understand why Jim returned to the band.  I met him at City Hall in Newcastle in 2008, just before the show.  He signed my copy of KTGC and introduced us to his wife, Paloma.   I told him that I enjoyed his work with Mary Chapin Carpenter, especially her album "Come On, Come On"  and he seemed happy about that.    A very nice person. :)
Bizarre coincidence, sitting listening to Come On Come On when I clicked on this!

And I also met Matt in Newcastle in 2008…

Matt is an insane jazz pianist. I never understood Mark's total love towards Jim, I get he's great in the studio, but he has just one solo record that you can't find anywhere, and his presence in the internet is so minuscule. In that regard, he's almost like Mark himself :lol Matt, on the other hand, is relatively young and extremely talented, and has some actual records to listen to. Either way, I'm in the minority that likes Mark's "backup band" the best, I think he really overplayed his current band, and some refreshment would be nice. But again, granted that he'll tour again. And he certainly won't change the band till he falls over!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: KnopfleRick on August 23, 2021, 09:35:47 pm
I like Matt Rollings very much too. Same as Danny, I thought that his style fits very much to Mark's music but...

I also enjoyed Matt Rollings playing a lot.  He had a very special touch, very sensitive, almost magical.
Let's not forget the great Chad Cromwell who had been my favourite drummer in Marks band. I'm still wondering why he left the band after all these years? I am sure you've already discussed this issue here. Can anybody provide a link, please?
 
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 23, 2021, 09:55:56 pm
There were personal family related problems which made it impossible for him to stay with the band during the 2005 tour. He left mid tour and was replaced by Danny Cummings. People ask for it every two years or so but we never got knowledge about what kind of problems he had. Pretty soon after that he became part of Neil Youngs touring band, obviously a chance he could not resist. Maybe travelling outside the US was a problem for him so that Neil Young was the right choice. (That's my guess only).
As usual with Mark, there was never a new try or approach between Chad and MK as Danny stayed until 2010. There was an interview with Chad not too long ago in which he spoke shortly about it.

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: superval99 on August 24, 2021, 08:06:44 am
I really liked Matt's piano playing, it was very sensitive, but I understand why Jim returned to the band.  I met him at City Hall in Newcastle in 2008, just before the show.  He signed my copy of KTGC and introduced us to his wife, Paloma.   I told him that I enjoyed his work with Mary Chapin Carpenter, especially her album "Come On, Come On"  and he seemed happy about that.    A very nice person. :)
Bizarre coincidence, sitting listening to Come On Come On when I clicked on this!

And I also met Matt in Newcastle in 2008…

Ooh, spooky!     :o
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 24, 2021, 08:19:28 am
There were personal family related problems which made it impossible for him to stay with the band during the 2005 tour. He left mid tour and was replaced by Danny Cummings. People ask for it every two years or so but we never got knowledge about what kind of problems he had. Pretty soon after that he became part of Neil Youngs touring band, obviously a chance he could not resist. Maybe travelling outside the US was a problem for him so that Neil Young was the right choice. (That's my guess only).
As usual with Mark, there was never a new try or approach between Chad and MK as Danny stayed until 2010. There was an interview with Chad not too long ago in which he spoke shortly about it.

LE
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/chad-cromwell-drummer-interview-neil-young-mark-knopfler-joe-walsh-1112767/

He talks about it here. He still doesn’t reveal the personal reasons but it seems there’s no bad blood.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 24, 2021, 10:38:05 am
There were personal family related problems which made it impossible for him to stay with the band during the 2005 tour. He left mid tour and was replaced by Danny Cummings. People ask for it every two years or so but we never got knowledge about what kind of problems he had. Pretty soon after that he became part of Neil Youngs touring band, obviously a chance he could not resist. Maybe travelling outside the US was a problem for him so that Neil Young was the right choice. (That's my guess only).
As usual with Mark, there was never a new try or approach between Chad and MK as Danny stayed until 2010. There was an interview with Chad not too long ago in which he spoke shortly about it.

LE
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/chad-cromwell-drummer-interview-neil-young-mark-knopfler-joe-walsh-1112767/

He talks about it here. He still doesn’t reveal the personal reasons but it seems there’s no bad blood.

Seems like he really doesn't want people to know the true reason he left, and I'm happy with that. I read it like "my reasoning was pretty stupid/insane, but Mark handled it". I mean if it was your typical family stuff he'd probably tell by now, right? The most amusing part anyway always was how Danny Cummings was able to blend in with the band in such a short time!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: superval99 on August 24, 2021, 10:44:47 am
There were personal family related problems which made it impossible for him to stay with the band during the 2005 tour. He left mid tour and was replaced by Danny Cummings. People ask for it every two years or so but we never got knowledge about what kind of problems he had. Pretty soon after that he became part of Neil Youngs touring band, obviously a chance he could not resist. Maybe travelling outside the US was a problem for him so that Neil Young was the right choice. (That's my guess only).
As usual with Mark, there was never a new try or approach between Chad and MK as Danny stayed until 2010. There was an interview with Chad not too long ago in which he spoke shortly about it.

LE
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/chad-cromwell-drummer-interview-neil-young-mark-knopfler-joe-walsh-1112767/

He talks about it here. He still doesn’t reveal the personal reasons but it seems there’s no bad blood.

Seems like he really doesn't want people to know the true reason he left, and I'm happy with that. I read it like "my reasoning was pretty stupid/insane, but Mark handled it". I mean if it was your typical family stuff he'd probably tell by now, right? The most amusing part anyway always was how Danny Cummings was able to blend in with the band in such a short time!

Danny did a great job imo!    :thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: KnopfleRick on August 24, 2021, 10:49:55 am
There were personal family related problems which made it impossible for him to stay with the band during the 2005 tour. He left mid tour and was replaced by Danny Cummings. People ask for it every two years or so but we never got knowledge about what kind of problems he had. Pretty soon after that he became part of Neil Youngs touring band, obviously a chance he could not resist. Maybe travelling outside the US was a problem for him so that Neil Young was the right choice. (That's my guess only).
As usual with Mark, there was never a new try or approach between Chad and MK as Danny stayed until 2010. There was an interview with Chad not too long ago in which he spoke shortly about it.

LE

Thanks, LE. Always like to read your posts!  :wave
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 24, 2021, 11:15:03 am
There were personal family related problems which made it impossible for him to stay with the band during the 2005 tour. He left mid tour and was replaced by Danny Cummings. People ask for it every two years or so but we never got knowledge about what kind of problems he had. Pretty soon after that he became part of Neil Youngs touring band, obviously a chance he could not resist. Maybe travelling outside the US was a problem for him so that Neil Young was the right choice. (That's my guess only).
As usual with Mark, there was never a new try or approach between Chad and MK as Danny stayed until 2010. There was an interview with Chad not too long ago in which he spoke shortly about it.

LE
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/chad-cromwell-drummer-interview-neil-young-mark-knopfler-joe-walsh-1112767/

He talks about it here. He still doesn’t reveal the personal reasons but it seems there’s no bad blood.

Seems like he really doesn't want people to know the true reason he left, and I'm happy with that. I read it like "my reasoning was pretty stupid/insane, but Mark handled it". I mean if it was your typical family stuff he'd probably tell by now, right? The most amusing part anyway always was how Danny Cummings was able to blend in with the band in such a short time!
The timing of Chad's departure was somewhat bizarre as he left the band after the Australian shows, during a ten day break and before the start of the European tour. He was due to rejoin the band on May 3rd but it never happened. I won't complain because I had seen Danny during the 2002 shows and I knew that he would bring the band to another "rock and roll" level,  which he did brilliantly.

What must have happened during the 10 day break is that MK sent tapes of the show to Danny who rehearsed on his own at home or something like that. He already knew some of the songs that he had played during the 2002 shows and during some promo shows.

It takes real guts to take over a drummer like Chad on such a short notice, in front of 10000 people and playing with MK's band and Danny did a fantastic job and I cherished every second of it.

I've said it before but he saved the 2005 tour. It is why Mark's decision to replace him was unfair to say the least, at least to my eyes.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 24, 2021, 11:29:15 am
I don't know if unfair is the right word. Danny was on Kill To Get Crimson and on Get Lucky and on the 2008 an 2010 tours. So he really took some profit out of it. MK owes him nothing although it was great from Danny. Shows how great and professional he is. But he knew MK already from OES times so I guess there is a bonding between them which can't be destroyed by musical decisions. Which was visible as he played on that last Whatever album.

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 24, 2021, 11:38:10 am
I don't know if unfair is the right word. Danny was on Kill To Get Crimson and on Get Lucky and on the 2008 an 2010 tours. So he really took some profit out of it. MK owes him nothing although it was great from Danny. Shows how great and professional he is. But he knew MK already from OES times so I guess there is a bonding between them which can't be destroyed by musical decisions. Which was visible as he played on that last Whatever album.

LE
Yes you're right, he stayed with Mark for 5 years and it was a major opportunity for him, in that way he owes Mark nothing. But what would have happened if he had said no to Mark in 2005 or if he hadn't been available?  I guess that Mark and Co would have been in some MAJOR trouble. And for five years he did a tremendous job, he was not a "B" drummer. It's why I called it unfair. They are professionals after all and things like this happen everywhere very often but it's bittersweet to me and I'm sure it's been for Danny too at least for a while, but I can't speak for him. I still think that's it's been a major loss musically speaking but I'm happy that MK and Danny are still good friends (apparently). And he's the only ex band member to have rejoin the band after having to leave it...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 24, 2021, 11:48:17 am
It's generally interesting to know how band and management plan possible loss/failure/breakdown of band members during tours. It rarely happens but it's always possible. Do they have a list of replacement musicians, are people asked to stay at home during the tour for the case that if? It's clear that every replacement totally changes the band chemistry on and off stage, but it's better to fulfill the tour contract even with other members than to cancel I guess.

Danny was available, it was no question to me that he said yes. We can be happy that he WAS available. To me, the day they asked him led to the best creative years of MK's solo career.

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 24, 2021, 11:53:11 am
Also think that Danny is a proffesional percussionist very demanded for sessions, "being in a band" means he has to let pass a lot of jobs with other artists, maybe he wanted to be back to studio sessions and leave the touring band when he left the MK band in 2011, and when MK hired him for the DTRW record, he asked him if was available for touring, and he was...

Being a session player, say no to sessions because you are permanently in a touring band means not only that you are losing jobs, but also that other would take that jobs and there is a chance you loose future ones because someone else is taking them...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 24, 2021, 11:54:34 am
It's generally interesting to know how band and management plan possible loss/failure/breakdown of band members during tours. It rarely happens but it's always possible. Do they have a list of replacement musicians, are people asked to stay at home during the tour for the case that if? It's clear that every replacement totally changes the band chemistry on and off stage, but it's better to fulfill the tour contract even with other members than to cancel I guess.

Danny was available, it was no question to me that he said yes. We can be happy that he WAS available. To me, the day they asked him led to the best creative years of MK's solo career.

LE

Can't talk about replacement musicians without this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmie_Nicol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmie_Nicol)

They have spare amps, guitars, all the effects and such, no surprise they have spares for musicians. The only thing you can't replace is MK himself :lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 24, 2021, 11:54:58 am
It's generally interesting to know how band and management plan possible loss/failure/breakdown of band members during tours. It rarely happens but it's always possible. Do they have a list of replacement musicians, are people asked to stay at home during the tour for the case that if? It's clear that every replacement totally changes the band chemistry on and off stage, but it's better to fulfill the tour contract even with other members than to cancel I guess.

Danny was available, it was no question to me that he said yes. We can be happy that he WAS available. To me, the day they asked him led to the best creative years of MK's solo career.

LE
I'm happy we are quite a few to think this way LE  ;)

(And of course DC had to say yes, that's an opportunity of a lifetime).
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 24, 2021, 11:57:20 am
Also think that Danny is a proffesional percussionist very demanded for sessions, "being in a band" means he has to let pass a lot of jobs with other artists, maybe he wanted to be back to studio sessions and leave the touring band when he left the MK band in 2011, and when MK hired him for the DTRW record, he asked him if was available for touring, and he was...

Being a session player, say no to sessions because you are permanently in a touring band means not only that you are losing jobs, but also that other would take that jobs and there is a chance you loose future ones because someone else is taking them...

Yes but Danny also toured in 2008 with George Michael so I guess these monster musicians can handle their agenda well.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 24, 2021, 12:01:15 pm
It's generally interesting to know how band and management plan possible loss/failure/breakdown of band members during tours. It rarely happens but it's always possible. Do they have a list of replacement musicians, are people asked to stay at home during the tour for the case that if? It's clear that every replacement totally changes the band chemistry on and off stage, but it's better to fulfill the tour contract even with other members than to cancel I guess.

Danny was available, it was no question to me that he said yes. We can be happy that he WAS available. To me, the day they asked him led to the best creative years of MK's solo career.

LE

I guess that they might have a list of names, or they just use contacts for that. I still remember when McGoldrick or McCusker wasn't available for the GL tour in North America and was quickly replaced by Tim O'Brien, who was known by both the Macs because of The Transatlantic Sessions programs and concerts...

Danny Cummings wasn't available when he jumped into MK's band in 2005, he was touring with George Michael , and left that tour to join MK's one, or at least that's what Phil Palmer wrote in his book, as Phil was also touring with George Michael at the same time than Danny. Or maybe Danny just accepted temporaly in a gap during the George Michael tour, and when was asked by MK to remain as the drummer for the rest of the tour, he left the George Michael one...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 24, 2021, 12:03:54 pm
Also think that Danny is a proffesional percussionist very demanded for sessions, "being in a band" means he has to let pass a lot of jobs with other artists, maybe he wanted to be back to studio sessions and leave the touring band when he left the MK band in 2011, and when MK hired him for the DTRW record, he asked him if was available for touring, and he was...

Being a session player, say no to sessions because you are permanently in a touring band means not only that you are losing jobs, but also that other would take that jobs and there is a chance you loose future ones because someone else is taking them...

Yes but Danny also toured in 2008 with George Michael so I guess these monster musicians can handle their agenda well.

We don't know his agenda, but my guess is that while touring with MK he had to say no to multiple sessions and, being MK the number one, that would had made him have second thoughts...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 24, 2021, 12:05:38 pm
That's news to me and would sound unfair, to use the word again, against George Michael from my point of view because George then had the same problem as Mark? Do we know more about it? Who replaced Danny in George Michael's band?

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Love Expresso on August 24, 2021, 12:11:38 pm
Okay a quick internet search shows no George Michael tour in 2005 but only some Live 8 gigs. So it seems there was not such a big problem to George and Phil was not very reliable.

LE
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 24, 2021, 12:25:42 pm
Okay a quick internet search shows no George Michael tour in 2005 but only some Live 8 gigs. So it seems there was not such a big problem to George and Phil was not very reliable.

LE

Don't have the book right now to check, I see George Michael had a 2006-2008 tour, so maybe Danny was to be in that tour but had to say no in order to be with MK, and that's what Palmer doesn't remember correctly? Dunno, but it's written in his book that Danny left the George Michael band for a tour to be with MK...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 24, 2021, 12:30:42 pm
George Michael was as important in Danny's life as MK is and Danny is a true gentleman so I can't see him leaving GM's band in a middle of a tour, even to be Mark's drummer. Plus it would have left GM in the same situation as Mark so... no.

I haven't read Phil's book and I don't know the man but are some informations re. Mark and Co really reliable??
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 24, 2021, 12:33:07 pm
George Michael was as important in Danny's life as MK is and Danny is a true gentleman so I can't see him leaving GM's band in a middle of a tour, even to be Mark's drummer. Plus it would have left GM in the same situation as Mark so... no.

I haven't read Phil's book and I don't know the man but are some informations re. Mark and Co really reliable??

I'm sure that John Illsley's book is not going to be reliable either... musicians that had recorded and played so much tend to mix certain things of their career...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 24, 2021, 12:33:13 pm
Okay a quick internet search shows no George Michael tour in 2005 but only some Live 8 gigs. So it seems there was not such a big problem to George and Phil was not very reliable.

LE

Don't have the book right now to check, I see George Michael had a 2006-2008 tour, so maybe Danny was to be in that tour but had to say no in order to be with MK, and that's what Palmer doesn't remember correctly? Dunno, but it's written in his book that Danny left the George Michael band for a tour to be with MK...
So maybe he was referring to the 2006 MK tour with Emmy... but Danny being Mark's drummer for one year already at the time left George Michael enough time to find a suitable replacement. But Danny definitely toured with GM in 2008, so before or after the tour with MK the same year.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 24, 2021, 03:02:38 pm
Okay a quick internet search shows no George Michael tour in 2005 but only some Live 8 gigs. So it seems there was not such a big problem to George and Phil was not very reliable.

LE

Don't have the book right now to check, I see George Michael had a 2006-2008 tour, so maybe Danny was to be in that tour but had to say no in order to be with MK, and that's what Palmer doesn't remember correctly? Dunno, but it's written in his book that Danny left the George Michael band for a tour to be with MK...
So maybe he was referring to the 2006 MK tour with Emmy... but Danny being Mark's drummer for one year already at the time left George Michael enough time to find a suitable replacement. But Danny definitely toured with GM in 2008, so before or after the tour with MK the same year.

As great as Phil can be is as a musician, this whole "3 chord trick" situation he got himself into and some of his friends don't make anything that he or they says legit to me. If they think that their band sounds exactly the same as Dire Straits, then they might as well say that the Earth is flat or something along those lines. I have absolutely no trust in anything Legacy-related, if you can't already tell.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 24, 2021, 04:40:35 pm
Okay a quick internet search shows no George Michael tour in 2005 but only some Live 8 gigs. So it seems there was not such a big problem to George and Phil was not very reliable.

LE

Don't have the book right now to check, I see George Michael had a 2006-2008 tour, so maybe Danny was to be in that tour but had to say no in order to be with MK, and that's what Palmer doesn't remember correctly? Dunno, but it's written in his book that Danny left the George Michael band for a tour to be with MK...
So maybe he was referring to the 2006 MK tour with Emmy... but Danny being Mark's drummer for one year already at the time left George Michael enough time to find a suitable replacement. But Danny definitely toured with GM in 2008, so before or after the tour with MK the same year.

As great as Phil can be is as a musician, this whole "3 chord trick" situation he got himself into and some of his friends don't make anything that he or they says legit to me. If they think that their band sounds exactly the same as Dire Straits, then they might as well say that the Earth is flat or something along those lines. I have absolutely no trust in anything Legacy-related, if you can't already tell.

100% with you on the Legacy rubbish!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: qjamesfloyd on August 25, 2021, 02:52:49 pm
I don't see what the problem is, Mark is seeing his band being misrepresented, they might not be recording or touring anymore as Dire Straits, but they are still a legal entity, the group has a website, which also sells official merchandise, and they selling albums under the name still, so why would he want that name tarnished? We don't know if there are any plans in the future for Dire Straits, so Mark is well within his rights to do what he feels is correct with regards to the brand name. If I was in his position I would do the same. Don't forget Paul McCartney rebought the publishing rights to The Beatles songs from Michael Jackson so he could control what happened to his songs, it wasn't just a financial thing for him.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 25, 2021, 03:48:00 pm
I don't see what the problem is, Mark is seeing his band being misrepresented, they might not be recording or touring anymore as Dire Straits, but they are still a legal entity, the group has a website, which also sells official merchandise, and they selling albums under the name still, so why would he want that name tarnished? We don't know if there are any plans in the future for Dire Straits, so Mark is well within his rights to do what he feels is correct with regards to the brand name. If I was in his position I would do the same. Don't forget Paul McCartney rebought the publishing rights to The Beatles songs from Michael Jackson so he could control what happened to his songs, it wasn't just a financial thing for him.

Well said!!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 25, 2021, 04:13:13 pm
The George Michael tour Phil Palmer talks in his book when mentioning Danny leaving to join MK was the "25 live", he mentions 2005 and 2006 in the paged. I took a picture of the page where Phil mentions about Danny leaving George Michael tour to joins MK one.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 25, 2021, 04:45:55 pm
Thanks for this jbaent. However, the sentence "Danny started the 25 Live concerts but was scheduled to join Mark Knopfler on tour" means that Mark's tour was most probably scheduled before George Michael's. Considering the dates, we're probably talking about the tour with Emmy here. Once again, I don't see Danny starting a tour with one and let the other one down. Plus, Phil Palmer mentions no issue about it so all must have been well scheduled before everything starts.

I don't know how long GM's tour lasted - Palmer says 106 shows - but I'm pretty certain that Danny rejoined his band as a percussionist in 2008. It means that our man had a pretty tough schedule between 2005 and 2008 with two huge names in the business (and probably other things too). Let's see :

- the Shangri-la Tour in 2005
- the Emmy-MK Tour in 2006
- the recording of the KTGC record in 2007 + various promos
- the MK tour in 2008
- and the GM tour in 2008 also.

And Phil Palmer is another one to say that it's great to have Danny around :)

Well done Dan!  :thumbsup


EDIT : a quick search on the web and here you have all the dates of the 25 Live Tour, from 2006 to 2008 and nothing in 2005 :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_Live#Tour_dates

EDIT 2 : and you can see Danny here, in summer 2008 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlxt1tPX60
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 25, 2021, 06:06:59 pm
Thanks for this jbaent. However, the sentence "Danny started the 25 Live concerts but was scheduled to join Mark Knopfler on tour" means that Mark's tour was most probably scheduled before George Michael's. Considering the dates, we're probably talking about the tour with Emmy here. Once again, I don't see Danny starting a tour with one and let the other one down. Plus, Phil Palmer mentions no issue about it so all must have been well scheduled before everything starts.

I don't know how long GM's tour lasted - Palmer says 106 shows - but I'm pretty certain that Danny rejoined his band as a percussionist in 2008. It means that our man had a pretty tough schedule between 2005 and 2008 with two huge names in the business (and probably other things too). Let's see :

- the Shangri-la Tour in 2005
- the Emmy-MK Tour in 2006
- the recording of the KTGC record in 2007 + various promos
- the MK tour in 2008
- and the GM tour in 2008 also.

And Phil Palmer is another one to say that it's great to have Danny around :)

Well done Dan!  :thumbsup


EDIT : a quick search on the web and here you have all the dates of the 25 Live Tour, from 2006 to 2008 and nothing in 2005 :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_Live#Tour_dates

EDIT 2 : and you can see Danny here, in summer 2008 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlxt1tPX60

Oh, Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so! to quote a very famous song....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 26, 2021, 10:34:43 am
The George Michael tour Phil Palmer talks in his book when mentioning Danny leaving to join MK was the "25 live", he mentions 2005 and 2006 in the paged. I took a picture of the page where Phil mentions about Danny leaving George Michael tour to joins MK one.

Lols, I wonder who guitarist two was.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 26, 2021, 12:18:40 pm
The George Michael tour Phil Palmer talks in his book when mentioning Danny leaving to join MK was the "25 live", he mentions 2005 and 2006 in the paged. I took a picture of the page where Phil mentions about Danny leaving George Michael tour to joins MK one.

Lols, I wonder who guitarist two was.

Graham Kearns and Mike Brown if it helps ;)
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: peterromer on August 26, 2021, 03:25:02 pm
Thanks for info.

I dont care how musically different MK and GM is (was), I would have loved GM to sing one of MK´s songs. Such a brilliant and superb  voice, one of the best ever.   


 
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 26, 2021, 04:52:37 pm
The George Michael tour Phil Palmer talks in his book when mentioning Danny leaving to join MK was the "25 live", he mentions 2005 and 2006 in the paged. I took a picture of the page where Phil mentions about Danny leaving George Michael tour to joins MK one.

Lols, I wonder who guitarist two was.

Graham Kearns and Mike Brown if it helps ;)

Someone called Brown played guitar for MK in the band that recorded the Golden demos, I wonder if he's the same.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Eddie Fox on August 27, 2021, 10:15:44 pm
I don’t know about Argentina but when they came to Brazil they were referred as Dire Straits with a new lineup. It was all over the press. They even gave TV interviews introducing Marco as ‘the new DS singer’. I’m sure there are still lots of people out there who truly believe that have been to a Dire Straits concert.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 27, 2021, 10:25:40 pm
I don’t know about Argentina but when they came to Brazil they were referred as Dire Straits with a new lineup. It was all over the press. They even gave TV interviews introducing Marco as ‘the new DS singer’. I’m sure there are still lots of people out there who truly believe that have been to a Dire Straits concert.

YES. And that happens a lot specifically in non-English speaking countries and especially second and third world countries... Like their promoters just exploit people's ignorance, and I often heard from Russian people that new DS formation is useless without MK and things like that. Of course, things like that would piss off anyone and it's not a surprise to me that legal actions have been introduced to settle this situation.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 27, 2021, 11:44:34 pm
I don’t know about Argentina but when they came to Brazil they were referred as Dire Straits with a new lineup. It was all over the press. They even gave TV interviews introducing Marco as ‘the new DS singer’. I’m sure there are still lots of people out there who truly believe that have been to a Dire Straits concert.

 :disbelief
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: PensaGhost on August 28, 2021, 01:05:37 am
I don’t know about Argentina but when they came to Brazil they were referred as Dire Straits with a new lineup. It was all over the press. They even gave TV interviews introducing Marco as ‘the new DS singer’. I’m sure there are still lots of people out there who truly believe that have been to a Dire Straits concert.

wow that's disgusting
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: cannibals on August 28, 2021, 09:53:34 am
I found it hard to believe that there are still people that think that DS still exist after more than 25 years MK and JI disbanded the band….. :think
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 28, 2021, 10:18:41 am
I found it hard to believe that there are still people that think that DS still exist after more than 25 years MK and JI disbanded the band….. :think

There are a lot of people who doesn't know much about the band, so if they are said this is the new DS with new singer they would believe it.

The DS Legacy people are not good coping with jokes. They are asking if Marco is the new singer of DS and they answer yes making fun of it but nobody understands the joke. They clearly state in his site they are not DS and they promote themselves as not being DS but the closest thing you can get. They should make clear in interviews that fact and stop joking about it.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 28, 2021, 10:34:40 am
Marco is a terrible singer, just awful.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 28, 2021, 11:08:37 am
Marco is a terrible singer, just awful.
If for touring the world in front of thousand people, I agree. If he'd played in small pubs that would have been a different story. He plays guitars greatly though. This, and the fact that some of their members and promoters pretended that they WERE Dire Straits have been their major mistakes.

Usually, I have no problem with cover bands. I've seen some (Beatles, Queen...), they were "anonymous" musicians who didn't pretend to be what they were not, playing great, paying tribute to the real thing and having fun doing it in front of happy (nostalgic) audiences.

Are Legacy still touring btw, pandemic apart?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: cannibals on August 28, 2021, 11:30:15 am
https://dslegacy.com/shows/
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 28, 2021, 12:31:10 pm
https://dslegacy.com/shows/

Quoted as 'The closest your gonna get' - no thanks ta!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 28, 2021, 12:45:20 pm
https://dslegacy.com/shows/

Seems they're playing cruise ships now.  lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 28, 2021, 12:54:01 pm
https://dslegacy.com/shows/

Seems they're playing cruise ships now.  lol

'Twistin by the pool' perhaps!!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 28, 2021, 01:12:41 pm
https://dslegacy.com/shows/

Seems they're playing cruise ships now.  lol

'Twistin by the pool' perhaps!!!

 :smack

I've a picture in my head of the band on the Titanic that kept playing on as the ship sank.  Maybe there's a metaphor in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 28, 2021, 01:45:37 pm
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 28, 2021, 01:54:50 pm
https://dslegacy.com/shows/

Seems they're playing cruise ships now.  lol

'Twistin by the pool' perhaps!!!

 :smack

I've a picture in my head of the band on the Titanic that kept playing on as the ship sank.  Maybe there's a metaphor in there somewhere.

 :'(
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 28, 2021, 02:00:31 pm
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

100% agree, the personnel have been there but they are nothing without 'The Master' steering the helm....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 28, 2021, 02:09:48 pm
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

100% agree, the personnel have been there but they are nothing without 'The Master' steering the helm....
Nothing is a bit harsh because they can play well. DS just doesn't exist without the songs, the voice and the guitar of MK, period. We've said it before but the whole issue is that they pretended being the real deal (and some of those guys still do apparently). From that perspective, I can understand that MK is kinda upset about it. He may have talked about it with John or Danny behind the scene because these three are friends.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 28, 2021, 02:17:46 pm
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

100% agree, the personnel have been there but they are nothing without 'The Master' steering the helm....
Nothing is a bit harsh because they can play well. DS just doesn't exist without the songs, the voice and the guitar of MK, period. We've said it before but the whole issue is that they pretended being the real deal (and some of those guys still do apparently). From that perspective, I can understand that MK is kinda upset about it. He may have talked about it with John or Danny behind the scene because these three are friends.

Again they are nothing without MK which is what you are saying too...
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dmg on August 28, 2021, 02:27:54 pm
https://dslegacy.com/shows/

Seems they're playing cruise ships now.  lol

'Twistin by the pool' perhaps!!!

 :smack

I've a picture in my head of the band on the Titanic that kept playing on as the ship sank.  Maybe there's a metaphor in there somewhere.

 :'(

Wipe away those tears!  I was thinking DSL is a sinking ship when they are now playing such small venues - that's the metaphor.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 28, 2021, 02:31:24 pm
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

100% agree, the personnel have been there but they are nothing without 'The Master' steering the helm....
Nothing is a bit harsh because they can play well. DS just doesn't exist without the songs, the voice and the guitar of MK, period. We've said it before but the whole issue is that they pretended being the real deal (and some of those guys still do apparently). From that perspective, I can understand that MK is kinda upset about it. He may have talked about it with John or Danny behind the scene because these three are friends.

Again they are nothing without MK which is what you are saying too...
Well they are guys who can play DS songs quite well, like other tribute bands can too. They are not DS, which doesn't mean that they are musically nothing, at least to me. Whether we like that band or not, most of them if not all are professional accomplished musicians after all. Once again, it's the ego of some of them in the group and how they promote themselves which is the real issue.

And personally I am not interested in DS tribute bands. Not because they are not good, but because Mark's guitar playing is so unique, and so is his voice to some extent, that it is simply impossible to replicate it well.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 28, 2021, 08:06:59 pm
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

100% agree, the personnel have been there but they are nothing without 'The Master' steering the helm....
Nothing is a bit harsh because they can play well. DS just doesn't exist without the songs, the voice and the guitar of MK, period. We've said it before but the whole issue is that they pretended being the real deal (and some of those guys still do apparently). From that perspective, I can understand that MK is kinda upset about it. He may have talked about it with John or Danny behind the scene because these three are friends.

Again they are nothing without MK which is what you are saying too...
Well they are guys who can play DS songs quite well, like other tribute bands can too. They are not DS, which doesn't mean that they are musically nothing, at least to me. Whether we like that band or not, most of them if not all are professional accomplished musicians after all. Once again, it's the ego of some of them in the group and how they promote themselves which is the real issue.

And personally I am not interested in DS tribute bands. Not because they are not good, but because Mark's guitar playing is so unique, and so is his voice to some extent, that it is simply impossible to replicate it well.

I didn't say they are 'nothing' but when they are playing DS songs they are most definitely nothing without MK...
They are of course good musicians in their own right....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 28, 2021, 08:12:42 pm
https://dslegacy.com/shows/

Seems they're playing cruise ships now.  lol

'Twistin by the pool' perhaps!!!

 :smack

I've a picture in my head of the band on the Titanic that kept playing on as the ship sank.  Maybe there's a metaphor in there somewhere.

 :'(

Wipe away those tears!  I was thinking DSL is a sinking ship when they are now playing such small venues - that's the metaphor.

Like the metaphor even more... :clap :clap :lol
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: ds1984 on August 29, 2021, 01:21:21 pm
I remember a italian poster where the promoter advertised a gig by a cover band as "Dire Straits"
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: superval99 on August 29, 2021, 01:48:58 pm
I remember a italian poster where the promoter advertised a gig by a cover band as "Dire Straits"

I saw one in Italy too, at a bus stop in Poggibonsi, en route to Siena.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 29, 2021, 02:10:38 pm
I remember a italian poster where the promoter advertised a gig by a cover band as "Dire Straits"

I saw one in Italy too, at a bus stop in Poggibonsi, en route to Siena.

No way, that's just wrong.... :disbelief
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Eddie Fox on August 29, 2021, 05:31:49 pm
I promise you all they were not joking when they said they were the real deal when in Brazil. They were announced by the TV host as Dire Straits and as the interview went on they never made it clear they weren’t. Tickets were advertised as to a Dire Straits gig, no matter if the word legacy was included, people were being fooled all along. That band is disgusting, what they do is disgusting.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 29, 2021, 06:43:25 pm
I promise you all they were not joking when they said they were the real deal when in Brazil. They were announced by the TV host as Dire Straits and as the interview went on they never made it clear they weren’t. Tickets were advertised as to a Dire Straits gig, no matter if the word legacy was included, people were being fooled all along. That band is disgusting, what they do is disgusting.

100% wrong and am pleased MK quite rightly got cheesed off with the concept....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 30, 2021, 09:05:48 am
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

Also Pick Withers.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: NicoMK on August 30, 2021, 09:51:46 am
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

Also Pick Withers.
In fact (almost) everyone except MK himself  ;D

Edit : this is a note that I've found on the Marco Caviglia website, out of curiosity. He has even played with Richard Bennett and Steve Phillips, so the guy has played with almost everyone in touch with MK lol. Impressive, whether you like his band or not. Once again, I admit that promoting themselves as the real DS band is a mistake but apart from that, I wish I had met half of these guys too.

I’ve been a lucky guy to be on stage in these all twenty years with very good friends (first) and amazing musicians as well…. After this long trip… I have been very lucky again to have more than a chance to be on stage with my heroes… and for me…it’s absolutely impossible to forget the Pensa Guitars & Friends concerts, the amazing concerts with John Illsley, Alan Clark, Phil Palmer, Jack Sonni, Mel Collins, Pick Withers, Danny Cummings, Chris White all from the Legendary dIRE sTRAITS…it’s impossible to forget the live tours with “The Maestro” Steve Phillips, the guitar legend from The Notting Hillbillies….it’s impossible to forget the wonderfull jazzy session with my friend Richard Bennett, the guitar legend from Nashville and guitar player in the running and amazing Mark Knopfler’s band…it’s impossible to forget the wonderful live jam sesssions with Paolo Bonfanti, it’s impossible to forget the amazing live sessions with the english blues player and folk singer William Topley…. so… finally… here we are with the dIRE sTRAITS LEGACY (former LEGENDS) tours in 2013 and 2014 with thousands of fans from all over the world attending our shows to celebrate the legacy of the Legendary dIRE sTRAITS!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 30, 2021, 11:39:55 am
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

Also Pick Withers.
In fact (almost) everyone except MK himself  ;D

Edit : this is a note that I've found on the Marco Caviglia website, out of curiosity. He has even played with Richard Bennett and Steve Phillips, so the guy has played with almost everyone in touch with MK lol. Impressive, whether you like his band or not. Once again, I admit that promoting themselves as the real DS band is a mistake but apart from that, I wish I had met half of these guys too.

I’ve been a lucky guy to be on stage in these all twenty years with very good friends (first) and amazing musicians as well…. After this long trip… I have been very lucky again to have more than a chance to be on stage with my heroes… and for me…it’s absolutely impossible to forget the Pensa Guitars & Friends concerts, the amazing concerts with John Illsley, Alan Clark, Phil Palmer, Jack Sonni, Mel Collins, Pick Withers, Danny Cummings, Chris White all from the Legendary dIRE sTRAITS…it’s impossible to forget the live tours with “The Maestro” Steve Phillips, the guitar legend from The Notting Hillbillies….it’s impossible to forget the wonderfull jazzy session with my friend Richard Bennett, the guitar legend from Nashville and guitar player in the running and amazing Mark Knopfler’s band…it’s impossible to forget the wonderful live jam sesssions with Paolo Bonfanti, it’s impossible to forget the amazing live sessions with the english blues player and folk singer William Topley…. so… finally… here we are with the dIRE sTRAITS LEGACY (former LEGENDS) tours in 2013 and 2014 with thousands of fans from all over the world attending our shows to celebrate the legacy of the Legendary dIRE sTRAITS!

I think if you set a certain goal in your life you can achieve it. If you want it really hard, I think you can even "force" a meeting with MK himself, it's the question of how desperately you want it. So I don't see this as a big deal, most importantly what all these guys do and say, rather than with whom they played. I never met anybody from that list ever, but my goals in life are just different and I don't want to meet everybody I like.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 30, 2021, 09:15:33 pm
Is he not a wealthy guy who basically paid to set up these things?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: KnopfleRick on August 30, 2021, 09:28:47 pm
I've just seen that Jack Sonni has played with them as well. We have to admit one thing: there's quite a bunch of ex-DS member that have joined this band at some point, and not to mention John Illsley too...

Also Pick Withers.
In fact (almost) everyone except MK himself  ;D

Edit : this is a note that I've found on the Marco Caviglia website, out of curiosity. He has even played with Richard Bennett and Steve Phillips, so the guy has played with almost everyone in touch with MK lol. Impressive, whether you like his band or not. Once again, I admit that promoting themselves as the real DS band is a mistake but apart from that, I wish I had met half of these guys too.

I’ve been a lucky guy to be on stage in these all twenty years with very good friends (first) and amazing musicians as well…. After this long trip… I have been very lucky again to have more than a chance to be on stage with my heroes… and for me…it’s absolutely impossible to forget the Pensa Guitars & Friends concerts, the amazing concerts with John Illsley, Alan Clark, Phil Palmer, Jack Sonni, Mel Collins, Pick Withers, Danny Cummings, Chris White all from the Legendary dIRE sTRAITS…it’s impossible to forget the live tours with “The Maestro” Steve Phillips, the guitar legend from The Notting Hillbillies….it’s impossible to forget the wonderfull jazzy session with my friend Richard Bennett, the guitar legend from Nashville and guitar player in the running and amazing Mark Knopfler’s band…it’s impossible to forget the wonderful live jam sesssions with Paolo Bonfanti, it’s impossible to forget the amazing live sessions with the english blues player and folk singer William Topley…. so… finally… here we are with the dIRE sTRAITS LEGACY (former LEGENDS) tours in 2013 and 2014 with thousands of fans from all over the world attending our shows to celebrate the legacy of the Legendary dIRE sTRAITS!

Quite an impressive list!

Personally I have never really cared for tribute bands and as good as they may be I will always stick with the original.
Mark Knopfler is a class of his own, a unique person and his style is inimitable. Why bother with a tribute band. Nobody will ever fill his shoes!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 30, 2021, 09:32:05 pm
Is he not a wealthy guy who basically paid to set up these things?

Oh, wow... Anything could happen, I know that money certainly could give you that opportunity, but where did he get the money if he's in the Tribute business from 1988 according to his autobiography? And I just realized they have Trevor Horn in the band! Isn't he's a music legend? What he forgot in the tribute band, for Mark's sake? It's like Mark would go on tour with a Bob Dylan cover band or something.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 30, 2021, 09:38:41 pm

Quite an impressive list!

Personally I have never really cared for tribute bands and as good as they may be I will always stick with the original.
Mark Knopfler is a class of his own, a unique person and his style is inimitable. Why bother with a tribute band. Nobody will ever fill his shoes!

I agree... Mark's music and especially his personality is impossible to recreate, so why bother. However, his songs are amazing and that's certainly something that absolutely can be replicated. I think Mark's music is generally underrated and not so many people outside cover bands play his songs. And the most fun you get is when an artist covers Mark's song that is diametrically opposite to his style, like "Brothers In Arms" by Gregorian. That cover is a masterpiece on its own!

So yeah, I can't see the point of replicating Mark, but his songs must be played in some shape or form. I just wish it was less tribute-ish.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Robson on August 30, 2021, 09:50:59 pm

Quite an impressive list!

Personally I have never really cared for tribute bands and as good as they may be I will always stick with the original.
Mark Knopfler is a class of his own, a unique person and his style is inimitable. Why bother with a tribute band. Nobody will ever fill his shoes!

I agree... Mark's music and especially his personality is impossible to recreate, so why bother. However, his songs are amazing and that's certainly something that absolutely can be replicated. I think Mark's music is generally underrated and not so many people outside cover bands play his songs. And the most fun you get is when an artist covers Mark's song that is diametrically opposite to his style, like "Brothers In Arms" by Gregorian. That cover is a masterpiece on its own!

So yeah, I can't see the point of replicating Mark, but his songs must be played in some shape or form. I just wish it was less tribute-ish.

And I agree with that :)
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: peterromer on August 30, 2021, 10:52:02 pm
Is it wrong to call themselves Dire Straits, yes of course.

As I recall Alan Clark and other previous DS members were given the rights from Mr. MK himself, to perform songs in future from albums that they were contributing to.
So why hate them. They have the right to do that and if people have fun remembering the DS sound (or partly how it sounded) and find it interesting so join the concerts so what. Maybe because not all of them have rights, MK even got some pieces of the cake from sales etc.

Our hero himself has also played private concerts when the money was big enough remember ?
He performed with a setlist, that on this forum, was widely considered only to happen because someone was rich enough to order it. So take it easy ;)  on the DSL or whatever they call them selvselves.
As someone said even John Illsleyt joined them at some point.

   

 


Is it wrong to perform concerts with songs that as far as I know
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: KnopfleRick on August 30, 2021, 11:05:15 pm

Quite an impressive list!

Personally I have never really cared for tribute bands and as good as they may be I will always stick with the original.
Mark Knopfler is a class of his own, a unique person and his style is inimitable. Why bother with a tribute band. Nobody will ever fill his shoes!

I agree... Mark's music and especially his personality is impossible to recreate, so why bother. However, his songs are amazing and that's certainly something that absolutely can be replicated. I think Mark's music is generally underrated and not so many people outside cover bands play his songs. And the most fun you get is when an artist covers Mark's song that is diametrically opposite to his style, like "Brothers In Arms" by Gregorian. That cover is a masterpiece on its own!

So yeah, I can't see the point of replicating Mark, but his songs must be played in some shape or form. I just wish it was less tribute-ish.

And I agree with that :)

I also agree with you.
A cover song can sound very exciting if the artist gives the song his own signature. Mark's fantastic version of Paul Simon's "The Boxer" just comes to my mind.
But these tribute bands who want to sound as close to the original as possible seems weird to me. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 31, 2021, 10:23:11 am
Is he not a wealthy guy who basically paid to set up these things?

Oh, wow... Anything could happen, I know that money certainly could give you that opportunity, but where did he get the money if he's in the Tribute business from 1988 according to his autobiography? And I just realized they have Trevor Horn in the band! Isn't he's a music legend? What he forgot in the tribute band, for Mark's sake? It's like Mark would go on tour with a Bob Dylan cover band or something.

The Trevor Horn thing is indeed strange. They even play a Yes song I think?!

I know he is mates with Alan Clark.

I guess these guys just don't have the wealth we assume they do... I'm not sure how many royalties will come in for Trevor from 80s records these days.

Same with Steve Ferrone, you would assume he would be in demand doing sessions.

Or maybe they all just love playing live.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Pottel on August 31, 2021, 10:54:49 am
If you don't have a strong Spanish/Italian/German accent, it's just not a cover band.  ;D that's the main thing about these people.

LE
lol!!!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 31, 2021, 11:55:49 am
Is he not a wealthy guy who basically paid to set up these things?

Oh, wow... Anything could happen, I know that money certainly could give you that opportunity, but where did he get the money if he's in the Tribute business from 1988 according to his autobiography?

Cosa nostra?  :P
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 31, 2021, 02:11:41 pm
Is he not a wealthy guy who basically paid to set up these things?

Oh, wow... Anything could happen, I know that money certainly could give you that opportunity, but where did he get the money if he's in the Tribute business from 1988 according to his autobiography? And I just realized they have Trevor Horn in the band! Isn't he's a music legend? What he forgot in the tribute band, for Mark's sake? It's like Mark would go on tour with a Bob Dylan cover band or something.



The Trevor Horn thing is indeed strange. They even play a Yes song I think?!

I know he is mates with Alan Clark.

I guess these guys just don't have the wealth we assume they do... I'm not sure how many royalties will come in for Trevor from 80s records these days.

Same with Steve Ferrone, you would assume he would be in demand doing sessions.

Or maybe they all just love playing live.

Yes, Trevorn Horn works frequently with Phil and Alan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbA7mzUTuc
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: PensaGhost on August 31, 2021, 02:36:40 pm
From what Marco tells, it all started from Marco and Phil Palmer playing tennis in the same club in Rome
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on August 31, 2021, 02:46:01 pm
Is he not a wealthy guy who basically paid to set up these things?

Oh, wow... Anything could happen, I know that money certainly could give you that opportunity, but where did he get the money if he's in the Tribute business from 1988 according to his autobiography? And I just realized they have Trevor Horn in the band! Isn't he's a music legend? What he forgot in the tribute band, for Mark's sake? It's like Mark would go on tour with a Bob Dylan cover band or something.



The Trevor Horn thing is indeed strange. They even play a Yes song I think?!

I know he is mates with Alan Clark.

I guess these guys just don't have the wealth we assume they do... I'm not sure how many royalties will come in for Trevor from 80s records these days.

Same with Steve Ferrone, you would assume he would be in demand doing sessions.

Or maybe they all just love playing live.

Yes, Trevorn Horn works frequently with Phil and Alan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbA7mzUTuc

I said it before and I'll say it again, all your favorite musicians are not as wealthy as we imagine it, even big ones. They are certainly wealthy but not on a billionaire level, and some of them must continue working to pay the bills. And they've usually got very big bills to pay. Especially Mark, having his big studio in the digital era. Rarely you'll hear this coming from an artist but Sir Van Morrison once said that he still needs to tour to make money and pay the bills.

Not the greatest version of this song though and Marco looks like he's in love with himself if you know what I mean. Anyway, so strange to see all these people doing, well, this. If I were a professional session musician, I would do anything but this. Play on weddings, play for the old artist, local artist, but not going into the cover band territory. This is not the place for people like that. This is the place for amateurs!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 31, 2021, 03:02:34 pm
I know of one musician, one of the most famous of all time, who is completely, 100% flat broke despite being a draw for over 50 years.

Lots of ex wives, stupid money management, combined with the fact that they didn't write their own songs.

They are now to old/sick to tour.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on August 31, 2021, 04:46:42 pm
Is he not a wealthy guy who basically paid to set up these things?

Oh, wow... Anything could happen, I know that money certainly could give you that opportunity, but where did he get the money if he's in the Tribute business from 1988 according to his autobiography? And I just realized they have Trevor Horn in the band! Isn't he's a music legend? What he forgot in the tribute band, for Mark's sake? It's like Mark would go on tour with a Bob Dylan cover band or something.



The Trevor Horn thing is indeed strange. They even play a Yes song I think?!

I know he is mates with Alan Clark.

I guess these guys just don't have the wealth we assume they do... I'm not sure how many royalties will come in for Trevor from 80s records these days.

Same with Steve Ferrone, you would assume he would be in demand doing sessions.

Or maybe they all just love playing live.

Yes, Trevorn Horn works frequently with Phil and Alan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbA7mzUTuc

I said it before and I'll say it again, all your favorite musicians are not as wealthy as we imagine it, even big ones. They are certainly wealthy but not on a billionaire level, and some of them must continue working to pay the bills. And they've usually got very big bills to pay. Especially Mark, having his big studio in the digital era. Rarely you'll hear this coming from an artist but Sir Van Morrison once said that he still needs to tour to make money and pay the bills.

Not the greatest version of this song though and Marco looks like he's in love with himself if you know what I mean. Anyway, so strange to see all these people doing, well, this. If I were a professional session musician, I would do anything but this. Play on weddings, play for the old artist, local artist, but not going into the cover band territory. This is not the place for people like that. This is the place for amateurs!

Work is work, money is money.

They don't do just that, they play still many sessions, less than in the 80's and the 90's, but any gig is a good gig to combine with the sessions they can get in these times when people record in his own house with a computer.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: the visitor on September 01, 2021, 08:46:56 pm
I find it hard to believe MK is not absolutely loaded. After all, unlike many other bands, he is listed as the sole songwriter for the whole of the Dire Straits catalogue with the only shared credit on MFN, not to mention his publishing deals.  Bob Marley on the other hand credited songs to other people even when he wrote them, Vincent Ford for example being listed on No Woman No Cry.

So in some sense it is only natural that the players from DS need to make an income from playing the songs they were involved in to varying degrees.  Fair enough I say, on the basis fan's are not being tricked into thinking they are getting the whole package, of which MK can only provide.   
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on September 01, 2021, 08:55:24 pm
I find it hard to believe MK is not absolutely loaded. After all, unlike many other bands, he is listed as the sole songwriter for the whole of the Dire Straits catalogue with the only shared credit on MFN, not to mention his publishing deals.  Bob Marley on the other hand credited songs to other people even when he wrote them, Vincent Ford for example being listed on No Woman No Cry.

So in some sense it is only natural that the players from DS need to make an income from playing the songs they were involved in to varying degrees.  Fair enough I say, on the basis fan's are not being tricked into thinking they are getting the whole package, of which MK can only provide.

MK is fine, I can guarantee you :lol

All other musicians though... This is sad really. For this reason, I never wanted to become a session musician, because it's basically hell and you justify it because "I do what I love". Yes, you do what you love, but you need to work 24/7 and play on weddings and in tribute bands or on 1000 albums a year or 350 shows a year to sustain your life. I don't want that!

The music business is a very strange place in that regard, and watching and being in contact with so many session musicians and how they're basically suffering, for the most part, makes me never ever want to become a musician. It's great if you're somebody like Mark Knopfler, but everything else... Nah.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: peterromer on September 02, 2021, 10:07:38 am
I find it hard to believe MK is not absolutely loaded. After all, unlike many other bands, he is listed as the sole songwriter for the whole of the Dire Straits catalogue with the only shared credit on MFN, not to mention his publishing deals.  Bob Marley on the other hand credited songs to other people even when he wrote them, Vincent Ford for example being listed on No Woman No Cry.

So in some sense it is only natural that the players from DS need to make an income from playing the songs they were involved in to varying degrees.  Fair enough I say, on the basis fan's are not being tricked into thinking they are getting the whole package, of which MK can only provide.

MK is absolutely loaded thats for sure. Unless he had made some extremely bad financial decisions.
He was a superstar when musicians made a ton of money with CD sales.
BIA was the first really big CD seller, and MK and his management took the chance and thought the CD was going to be a smash hit which it was for some years.
He is also a producer and writes all the songs, so you can be sure that he is a multi millionaire.

I once read he was considered one of Britains richest musicians, and that says a lot I think. When you think of McCartney, George Michael, Elton John, Mick Jagger etc.

Funny enough he is not on this list.
 https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/sir-paul-mccartney-tops-sunday-times-2021-music-rich-list-as-calvin-harris-and-ed-sheeran-vault-into-top-10__33205/

Apparantly Sting is richer, which I find quite odd, I do not think the list is completely correct.

According to this list MK is number 38.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/music/40-richest-musicians-britain-topped-22017265












Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 02, 2021, 10:13:49 am
Let's be honest, Mark has no worries in the money department!!! But, I don't begrudge him a penny of it, he has worked hard for it, both in terms of writing and performing, plus he didn't release his first album until he was 27 and he had plenty of "normal" jobs until then, and did the rounds of playing in pubs etc. It says a lot about his pre-fame situation that he started a band called Dire Straits.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 02, 2021, 10:23:05 am
Let's be honest, Mark has no worries in the money department!!! But, I don't begrudge him a penny of it, he has worked hard for it, both in terms of writing and performing, plus he didn't release his first album until he was 27 and he had plenty of "normal" jobs until then, and did the rounds of playing in pubs etc. It says a lot about his pre-fame situation that he started a band called Dire Straits.

I couldn't agree more!  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on September 02, 2021, 10:34:39 am
Let's be honest, Mark has no worries in the money department!!! But, I don't begrudge him a penny of it, he has worked hard for it, both in terms of writing and performing, plus he didn't release his first album until he was 27 and he had plenty of "normal" jobs until then, and did the rounds of playing in pubs etc. It says a lot about his pre-fame situation that he started a band called Dire Straits.

I couldn't agree more!  :thumbsup

The most important thing about Mark is that this guy would succeed no matter what. Even if not for the music, he would be a successful man. I don't know how it works, but probably has something to do with attitude, courage, and intelligence. So I'm sure he would be as comfortable as today, he was able to learn and decided to do what he can do best and went with it. And I want an MK autobiography just to get a glimpse into the mind of a guy who really knows the key to success.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Robson on September 02, 2021, 12:35:21 pm
Mark has always wanted to write songs and this is his destiny. And it makes him happy
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on September 02, 2021, 01:42:06 pm
Mark has always wanted to write songs and this is his destiny. And it makes him happy

There are no such things as talent, destiny, luck, or anything in between. If that were true he would be a songwriter 10 years earlier. Where are all these early songs (except for One More Matinee)? The coolest part about Mark, I think, is that he wasn't sure what he wanted to be. He always says he wanted to be a musician, tell this story about a Christmas gig. But he sort of failed to become a musician (in a good way), and only then wanted to become a songwriter. So the most important thing about it all is that he preferred songwriting as his "main talent" and pursued that path, and became a master songwriter. It's a lot of work and a lot of psychological work, too. Songwriting is incredibly hard and everybody who tried that knows how difficult it is to write songs.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Robson on September 02, 2021, 02:06:44 pm
"There are no such things as talent, destiny, luck, or anything in between...

Really?
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: peterromer on September 02, 2021, 02:09:51 pm
Mark has always wanted to write songs and this is his destiny. And it makes him happy

There are no such things as talent, destiny, luck, or anything in between. If that were true he would be a songwriter 10 years earlier. Where are all these early songs (except for One More Matinee)? The coolest part about Mark, I think, is that he wasn't sure what he wanted to be. He always says he wanted to be a musician, tell this story about a Christmas gig. But he sort of failed to become a musician (in a good way), and only then wanted to become a songwriter. So the most important thing about it all is that he preferred songwriting as his "main talent" and pursued that path, and became a master songwriter. It's a lot of work and a lot of psychological work, too. Songwriting is incredibly hard and everybody who tried that knows how difficult it is to write songs.

Of course there is a thing called talent. Regardless of music, arts, IT, sports or whatever. You can have a special talent that you are born with, a specific set of strings in your genes you can play better than the majority so to speak. You can call it talent. Something that is natural for you, and that you are excellent in doing.
If you play the guitar and you are naturally good at it, you have a talent for doing that. For me martial arts felt natural, for others it can be anything.
MK also said several times that the piano sounds he heard as a child felt so natural and logical to him. That is talent in my ears.
Then you can work with your talent, and get even better and maybe even quite unique.

 



 

Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: rmarques821 on September 02, 2021, 02:33:41 pm
There is talent and of course there is luck. I have read about some incredible life stories that would've never happened if the person hadn't been at the right place, at the right time. It's quite unbelievable how someone's life changes dramatically by pure accident. I think you can call it luck (or lack thereof).
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on September 02, 2021, 02:53:49 pm
There is talent and of course there is luck. I have read about some incredible life stories that would've never happened if the person hadn't been at the right place, at the right time. It's quite unbelievable how someone's life changes dramatically by pure accident. I think you can call it luck (or lack thereof).

Well, yes, Mark certainly "got lucky" there. But you can't really choose where to be born and when, so is it really "luck"? I think not. He was born in an ordinary family, not a wealthy family, no celebrities, no millionaires, even serious musicians, no nothing. So that's lucky? Millions of people are born in that exact configuration, and I can't see millions of Mark Knopflers walking on the planet.

Of course, there's a natural talent, but also hard work. A lot of creative people said that there's no talent, inspiration, and luck in the sense that if you ignore it, it's gone. Talent without hard work is nothing, zero, waste. Same with luck, as they say, the more I work, the luckier I get. So that's why I say there's no talent, luck, or destiny. There's only hard work!
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 02, 2021, 03:02:47 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 02, 2021, 05:37:31 pm
His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.

Good, valid point....
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 02, 2021, 10:24:00 pm
There is talent and of course there is luck. I have read about some incredible life stories that would've never happened if the person hadn't been at the right place, at the right time. It's quite unbelievable how someone's life changes dramatically by pure accident. I think you can call it luck (or lack thereof).

I agree with you!
And don't forget that you have to be slightly obsessed to do this. Even Mark had said this many times.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: schmonka on September 02, 2021, 11:19:06 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.

"Hey MK...where was your watertight pre-nup when you needed it!!??"... ;D ::)
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 03, 2021, 01:37:42 pm
Virtual proof Mark is loaded is the very existence of this topic. Just imagine how much money he’d make if he decided to reform Dire Straits. The fact that a mediocre Italian singer is making good money out of a tribute band whereas the man himself couldn’t be bothered says tons on the subject.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 03, 2021, 01:43:12 pm
There is talent and of course there is luck. I have read about some incredible life stories that would've never happened if the person hadn't been at the right place, at the right time. It's quite unbelievable how someone's life changes dramatically by pure accident. I think you can call it luck (or lack thereof).

I think in some cases luck plays a smaller role in the equation Mark’s being one of those. The guy has just too much talent. On the top of that he’s always been a hard worker. Sting and Clapton are the same.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jabbathehut on September 03, 2021, 02:58:17 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.
The rich lists are not 100% made up they are based on mainly publicly available company accounts and in the case of musicians for example the earnings are not hard to find either.I would say 70-80% accurate.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on September 03, 2021, 03:08:09 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.
The rich lists are not 100% made up they are based on mainly publicly available company accounts and in the case of musicians for example the earnings are not hard to find either.I would say 70-80% accurate.

I remember an interview where Mark was asked about his net worth and that it is estimated to be around 100 mils, he said that he's got twice that. I can't remember where I've read or heard that, but I remember it! As well as the dentist story ;D
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: jbaent on September 03, 2021, 03:50:39 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.
The rich lists are not 100% made up they are based on mainly publicly available company accounts and in the case of musicians for example the earnings are not hard to find either.I would say 70-80% accurate.

I remember an interview where Mark was asked about his net worth and that it is estimated to be around 100 mils, he said that he's got twice that. I can't remember where I've read or heard that, but I remember it! As well as the dentist story ;D

I also remember MK saying every year he goes to his accountant and ask him if he needs to worry, and he answer him he can still live various life's.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: ds1984 on September 03, 2021, 06:40:54 pm
There is talent and of course there is luck. I have read about some incredible life stories that would've never happened if the person hadn't been at the right place, at the right time. It's quite unbelievable how someone's life changes dramatically by pure accident. I think you can call it luck (or lack thereof).

I think in some cases luck plays a smaller role in the equation Mark’s being one of those. The guy has just too much talent. On the top of that he’s always been a hard worker. Sting and Clapton are the same.

I would include Ed in the success. 
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 03, 2021, 06:54:32 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.
The rich lists are not 100% made up they are based on mainly publicly available company accounts and in the case of musicians for example the earnings are not hard to find either.I would say 70-80% accurate.

I remember an interview where Mark was asked about his net worth and that it is estimated to be around 100 mils, he said that he's got twice that. I can't remember where I've read or heard that, but I remember it! As well as the dentist story ;D

I also remember MK saying every year he goes to his accountant and ask him if he needs to worry, and he answer him he can still live various life's.

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 03, 2021, 06:56:12 pm
Virtual proof Mark is loaded is the very existence of this topic. Just imagine how much money he’d make if he decided to reform Dire Straits. The fact that a mediocre Italian singer is making good money out of a tribute band whereas the man himself couldn’t be bothered says tons on the subject.

Exactly......
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 03, 2021, 07:01:34 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.
The rich lists are not 100% made up they are based on mainly publicly available company accounts and in the case of musicians for example the earnings are not hard to find either.I would say 70-80% accurate.
You can see how much money his company makes in a given year but you have no idea what he spends his money on so that info is worthless.

If he earns a million and spends a million on crack and whores, how much is he worth? Or if he bought a house for a million the sold it for ten 5 years later? Complete guess work.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Banjo99uk on September 03, 2021, 08:03:55 pm
These newspaper rich lists are 100% made up.

I imagine MK spent a lot of his wealth building BG.

His ex wife would have got half of the big 80s money.
The rich lists are not 100% made up they are based on mainly publicly available company accounts and in the case of musicians for example the earnings are not hard to find either.I would say 70-80% accurate.
You can see how much money his company makes in a given year but you have no idea what he spends his money on so that info is worthless.

If he earns a million and spends a million on crack and whores, how much is he worth? Or if he bought a house for a million the sold it for ten 5 years later? Complete guess work.
That wouldn’t leave much time for making music.
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: ds1984 on September 03, 2021, 10:41:04 pm
You wear only one pair of trousers at a time - Mark Knopfler
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: PensaGhost on September 03, 2021, 11:44:19 pm
You wear only one pair of trousers at a time - Mark Knopfler

and I add that some use the same outfit for most of the tour
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: quizzaciously on September 04, 2021, 12:33:23 am
You wear only one pair of trousers at a time - Mark Knopfler

and I add that some use the same outfit for most of the tour

Different tours even! And I think I've seen Mark's OES tour belt like 10 years prior. And the same watches too. Great quote ;D
Title: Re: Daily Mail 'DS Legacy' - 3rd August 2021
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 05, 2021, 08:44:26 pm
You wear only one pair of trousers at a time - Mark Knopfler

and I add that some use the same outfit for most of the tour

Different tours even! And I think I've seen Mark's OES tour belt like 10 years prior. And the same watches too. Great quote ;D

You'd hope there were plenty of the 'same' style clothes otherwise MK would be awfully stinky!!!