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Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Elin N on October 26, 2020, 01:06:41 pm

Title: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Elin N on October 26, 2020, 01:06:41 pm
Today on face
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Post by: border_reiver on October 26, 2020, 01:11:01 pm
By the usual rhetorics of Guy, perhaps a new GF album?  :)
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Post by: Elin N on October 26, 2020, 01:15:52 pm
We already know that he is working on his album  :) Not sure he would post that on the MK forum.
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 26, 2020, 01:22:23 pm
Quite extraordinary that he posted it at all. Didn't know people like Guy Fletcher cares about little fan groups with just 20K subscribers.
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Post by: jbaent on October 26, 2020, 01:35:06 pm
He means MK music. He won't go to a MK facebook group to say such a thing if he meant his own songs...
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Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on October 26, 2020, 01:58:28 pm
Great news! Would be nice to have new MK music in this dark period.
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Post by: PensaGhost on October 26, 2020, 02:06:19 pm
isn't that just a copy and paste of what MK said months ago ?
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 26, 2020, 02:18:42 pm
isn't that just a copy and paste of what MK said months ago ?

This is a typical GF phrase that can mean virtually anything, and it translates into something more like "while Mark is alive, there's a possibility of more music coming your way". Pretty obvious to me, but that's newsworthy, I guess.
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Post by: qjamesfloyd on October 26, 2020, 02:21:10 pm
I wonder how many songs Mark wrote in lockdown? :think
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 26, 2020, 02:27:13 pm
I wonder how many songs Mark wrote in lockdown? :think

I remember after the accident Mark wrote clearly one of the best albums he ever wrote, Shangri-La. Restrictions, either natural or voluntary seems to inspire him a lot, so I hope for the best.
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Post by: Love Expresso on October 26, 2020, 06:22:21 pm
Pretty obvious he talks about the Musical stuff? Wasn't another bunch of recordings announced  for that? So I would keep my expectations very low.

LE
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Post by: jbaent on October 26, 2020, 06:28:26 pm
Pretty obvious he talks about the Musical stuff? Wasn't another bunch of recordings announced  for that? So I would keep my expectations very low.

LE

Cast singing their parts over what MK previously recorded during 2017 and 2018 at British Grove is what is left for the musical. They already did some recordings early 2020 with one of the male main actors.

I bet Guy means MK new songs.
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Post by: dmg on October 26, 2020, 06:50:30 pm
I am certainly hopeful.  I'll bet Mark has been beavering away during lockdown and has lots to show for it! :P
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Post by: superval99 on October 26, 2020, 06:56:57 pm
I am certainly hopeful.  I'll bet Mark has been beavering away during lockdown and has lots to show for it! :P

I hope so!    Some new songs would be wonderful.    :P
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Post by: dmg on October 26, 2020, 07:22:39 pm
I am certainly hopeful.  I'll bet Mark has been beavering away during lockdown and has lots to show for it! :P

I hope so!    Some new songs would be wonderful.    :P

And some new milestones to be made.  ;)
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Post by: superval99 on October 26, 2020, 07:33:22 pm
I am certainly hopeful.  I'll bet Mark has been beavering away during lockdown and has lots to show for it! :P

I hope so!    Some new songs would be wonderful.    :P

And some new milestones to be made.  ;)

 You never know!    ;D
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Post by: rmarques821 on October 26, 2020, 07:37:36 pm
Pretty sure there will be a new MK album in 2021. After "My Bacon Roll" in 2018, I expect "Shepherd's Pie" or "Fried Chicken" to be the best songs of the new album.

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Post by: PensaGhost on October 27, 2020, 04:44:30 pm
btw I find these GF posts extremely irritating and even misleading, give at least some info or shut up

with the last album he wrote 'new MK album coming soon' and it took 2 years
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Post by: dmg on October 27, 2020, 06:08:32 pm
btw I find these GF posts extremely irritating and even misleading, give at least some info or shut up

with the last album he wrote 'new MK album coming soon' and it took 2 years

When you're in your 8th decade "soon" becomes a longer timescale!  :lol
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Post by: Darling Pretty on October 27, 2020, 09:21:56 pm
I wonder how many songs Mark wrote in lockdown? :think

I remember after the accident Mark wrote clearly one of the best albums he ever wrote, Shangri-La. Restrictions, either natural or voluntary seems to inspire him a lot, so I hope for the best.

Very true. That was a masterpiece after his accident
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Post by: Darling Pretty on October 27, 2020, 09:22:59 pm
Pretty obvious he talks about the Musical stuff? Wasn't another bunch of recordings announced  for that? So I would keep my expectations very low.

LE

That Musical shit would be really an asskicker. Waste of time if you ask me
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Post by: Neville Sherman on October 28, 2020, 11:21:12 am
Maybe it is the errant track that never made it on to Down the Road Wherever - Back in the Day? Early Xmas present for us all! That's my guess!
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 28, 2020, 11:32:02 am
Pretty obvious he talks about the Musical stuff? Wasn't another bunch of recordings announced  for that? So I would keep my expectations very low.

LE

That Musical shit would be really an asskicker. Waste of time if you ask me

I agree, because the musical takes a lot of Mark's time, but at the same time:

— You have to live in the UK to see it or travel there and that's tough for 80% of foreign fans
— You have to be fluent in English in order to see it, which is tough for 80% of foreign fans
— You have to happen to love musicals which is tough for 80% of fans regardless

All in all, a pretty local (no pun intended) project takes like the whole time and in the result a few people will actually see it. Great!
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Post by: jbaent on October 28, 2020, 11:46:14 am
Pretty obvious he talks about the Musical stuff? Wasn't another bunch of recordings announced  for that? So I would keep my expectations very low.

LE

That Musical shit would be really an asskicker. Waste of time if you ask me

I agree, because the musical takes a lot of Mark's time, but at the same time:

— You have to live in the UK to see it or travel there and that's tough for 80% of foreign fans
— You have to be fluent in English in order to see it, which is tough for 80% of foreign fans
— You have to happen to love musicals which is tough for 80% of fans regardless

All in all, a pretty local (no pun intended) project takes like the whole time and in the result a few people will actually see it. Great!

I disagree in some points:

- It's not a waste of time as MK created some great songs for it, I can tell you.
- I'm not fluent in English and Ididn't had problems understanding the play
- I don't love musicals but most of the songs that MK created for the musical were amazing, heartbreaking...

It's true that you have to travel to see it but, many fans travel to attend MK concerts, they can also travel to listen live to new MK songs created specifically for the musical.

In fact, it's what I did last tour, traveled in March to Edinburgh for the musical, April I travelled to most of the Spanish shows, May to the RAh, June to Atwerpen and Amsterdam and July to Verona.

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Post by: dustyvalentino on October 28, 2020, 11:57:06 am
The musical was wonderful.  :)
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Post by: Pottel on October 28, 2020, 01:03:38 pm
simply not a musical fan myself, so not even for MK will i shell out my hard earned euros.
hoping for new material, not rehashed old stuff.
unless that rehashed old stuff includes demo's abd unreleased stuff, lol
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Post by: superval99 on October 28, 2020, 02:15:01 pm
I enjoyed the musical very much and the songs were beautiful. Hopefully, there will be a CD of the show, but I'm also looking forward to a new MK album in the not too distant future!   :P
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Post by: dmg on October 28, 2020, 03:06:52 pm
simply not a musical fan myself, so not even for MK will i shell out my hard earned euros.
hoping for new material, not rehashed old stuff.
unless that rehashed old stuff includes demo's abd unreleased stuff, lol

I'm not a musical fan either and if it hadn't been literally 25 mins along the road I wouldn't have bothered.  I was so glad I did that I went again!

The songs are great and will be appreciated most for those who attended the show. Although I will look forward to their release it would be a disappointment if this was what GF was referring to.
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Post by: Darling Pretty on October 28, 2020, 08:24:44 pm
Pretty obvious he talks about the Musical stuff? Wasn't another bunch of recordings announced  for that? So I would keep my expectations very low.

LE

Of course you are right. The songs MK wrote for LH Musical are beautiful for sure. Did not listen to them yet but I believe it.
But I think it is no comparison to travel for a musical without MK and Band or to see them live in some nice spanish cities and cool bullrings with
electrifying atmosphere.
And: MK gets older fast. Get on another tour instead of writing a musical. Better write another solo album.
Just my opinion

That Musical shit would be really an asskicker. Waste of time if you ask me

I agree, because the musical takes a lot of Mark's time, but at the same time:

— You have to live in the UK to see it or travel there and that's tough for 80% of foreign fans
— You have to be fluent in English in order to see it, which is tough for 80% of foreign fans
— You have to happen to love musicals which is tough for 80% of fans regardless

All in all, a pretty local (no pun intended) project takes like the whole time and in the result a few people will actually see it. Great!

I disagree in some points:

- It's not a waste of time as MK created some great songs for it, I can tell you.
- I'm not fluent in English and Ididn't had problems understanding the play
- I don't love musicals but most of the songs that MK created for the musical were amazing, heartbreaking...

It's true that you have to travel to see it but, many fans travel to attend MK concerts, they can also travel to listen live to new MK songs created specifically for the musical.

In fact, it's what I did last tour, traveled in March to Edinburgh for the musical, April I travelled to most of the Spanish shows, May to the RAh, June to Atwerpen and Amsterdam and July to Verona.
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 28, 2020, 09:15:11 pm
Do you think the CD could be with the cast singing or Mark? We actually got one song from Local Hero Musical, but from recordings I've heard, it gave me the impression that not every song could be done by MK.
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Post by: qjamesfloyd on October 29, 2020, 08:48:09 am
The irony about the musical is that Mark has said in the past that he isn't a fan of musicals either. Mark must have written lots of songs in lockdown, so must be keen to make a new album, as there won't be any touring any time soon, he could make a new solo and and the Local Hero Musical album too.
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Post by: jbaent on October 29, 2020, 02:00:30 pm
Do you think the CD could be with the cast singing or Mark? We actually got one song from Local Hero Musical, but from recordings I've heard, it gave me the impression that not every song could be done by MK.

The cd is going to be sung by the cast and the main actors. Once you see the Musical you understans it has to be like that.
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Post by: dmg on October 29, 2020, 02:32:50 pm
Do you think the CD could be with the cast singing or Mark? We actually got one song from Local Hero Musical, but from recordings I've heard, it gave me the impression that not every song could be done by MK.

Some have a male vocal, some a female and others are sung by the ensemble cast.  Even the male vocals couldn't be realistically sung by Mark with his "vocal limitations."
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Post by: jbaent on November 06, 2020, 10:44:54 am
I hope that new restrictions on the UK doesn't affect to MK and Guy going back to the studio. I guess that is allowed to go out to work but I'm not sure if it's only allowed to what is called "essential" jobs, and if so, recording music would be considered as such... In my opinion, it should as any bussiness around music had suffered and would suffer even more because of the pandemic...
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Post by: 2manyguitars on November 06, 2020, 03:20:56 pm
I hope that new restrictions on the UK doesn't affect to MK and Guy going back to the studio. I guess that is allowed to go out to work but I'm not sure if it's only allowed to what is called "essential" jobs, and if so, recording music would be considered as such... In my opinion, it should as any bussiness around music had suffered and would suffer even more because of the pandemic...

it wouldn't be allowed as its not regarded as essential either in terms of travel or work. Given our losses from Covid, especially those close to the knopfler circles heart I very much doubt that mark or guy would disrespect these rules. 
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Post by: KnopfleRick on November 06, 2020, 07:06:04 pm
As much as I`m longing for new music by Mark Knopfler & Co. I`d rather want them to stay at home to keep safe and healthy.
Better times will come - I`m sure - and in the meantime let`s enjoy all of his amazing music he has given us since 1978 until now.

Hope all is well with you, my AMIT-friends!  Take care and stay healthy. :wave


 
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Post by: Robson on November 06, 2020, 09:35:25 pm
As much as I`m longing for new music by Mark Knopfler & Co. I`d rather want them to stay at home to keep safe and healthy.
Better times will come - I`m sure - and in the meantime let`s enjoy all of his amazing music he has given us since 1978 until now.

Hope all is well with you, my AMIT-friends!  Take care and stay healthy. :wave

 :thumbsup It is true. Health is the most important. The rest will come.
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Post by: Mossguitar on November 08, 2020, 07:54:23 am
What’s a CD?
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Post by: localhero1986 on November 10, 2020, 07:26:22 pm
I guess it’s related to the live track which will be made available soon for MK.com members? Just saw a post on fb.
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Post by: border_reiver on November 10, 2020, 07:40:43 pm
Ah, perhaps a live track from one of the already released concerts from last tour?

If that is the case...Positively 100% risk free. Very MK.
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Post by: knopflertom on November 10, 2020, 09:47:02 pm
My guess is „wherever I go“ from MSG :think
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Post by: knopfler1 on November 11, 2020, 08:44:19 am
It's Sultans from Madrid 2010 as far as i can tell.

Here - https://www.markknopfler.com/members/
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Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on November 11, 2020, 08:56:06 am
It's Sultans from Madrid 2010 as far as i can tell.

Here - https://www.markknopfler.com/members/

Metadata tells the same: Live in Madrid (July 29, 2010)
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Post by: qjamesfloyd on November 11, 2020, 09:14:01 am
That's been available to members for a long time, I already have it.
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Post by: border_reiver on November 11, 2020, 09:34:56 am
Want: Madrid DVD 2005
Get: Madrid 1 song download 2010

 ::)
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Post by: knopfler1 on November 11, 2020, 09:39:43 am
That's been available to members for a long time, I already have it.

Cool, I hadn’t noticed. Hopefully something new soon then!
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Post by: dmg on November 11, 2020, 01:00:00 pm
Want: Madrid DVD 2005
Get: Madrid 1 song download 2010

 ::)

Madrid DVD 2001?  It's been such a long wait you've forgotten the year!  :lol
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Post by: border_reiver on November 11, 2020, 07:04:52 pm
Want: Madrid DVD 2005
Get: Madrid 1 song download 2010

 ::)

Madrid DVD 2001?  It's been such a long wait you've forgotten the year!  :lol

 :smack

Oh dear  ;D
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Post by: rmarques821 on November 11, 2020, 08:12:00 pm
MK's management are the biggest trolls on the internet.
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Post by: PensaGhost on November 11, 2020, 09:05:06 pm
MK's management are the biggest trolls on the internet.

hehe good one
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Post by: kaleo74 on November 12, 2020, 03:37:20 am
MK's management are the biggest trolls on the internet.

hehe good one

I imagine them sitting around a table brainstorming and a guy saying, "I have an idea!!!! Why not offer the fans a free and exclusive song... Sultans of swing!"  :clap

It's like when someone is referred to you and you recruit him and then it turns out to be the biggest disappointment of your life, the worst choice... but who's in charge in this mess !?  :disbelief ???
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 12, 2020, 07:56:35 am
MK's management are the biggest trolls on the internet.

hehe good one

I imagine them sitting around a table brainstorming and a guy saying, "I have an idea!!!! Why not offer the fans a free and exclusive song... Sultans of swing!"  :clap

It's like when someone is referred to you and you recruit him and then it turns out to be the biggest disappointment of your life, the worst choice... but who's in charge in this mess !?  :disbelief ???

With all seriousness, as it was discussed before, the management is pretty much the continuation of Mark's own personality. He seems OK with all the bonus tracks, 'exclusive' content and such, and often he chooses it himself (like the bonus tracks).
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Post by: jbaent on November 12, 2020, 09:04:00 am
It doesn't matter which great idea the management or the web people has, in the end, that idea end hitting on a wall called MK... He has to say yes or no to anything and, you know, it's MK...
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Post by: KnopfleRick on November 12, 2020, 02:40:34 pm
It doesn't matter which great idea the management or the web people has, in the end, that idea end hitting on a wall called MK... He has to say yes or no to anything and, you know, it's MK...

Absolutely! He has always been like this and I guess he will never change.  And I can live with it!
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Post by: dmg on November 12, 2020, 06:27:00 pm
It doesn't matter which great idea the management or the web people has, in the end, that idea end hitting on a wall called MK... He has to say yes or no to anything and, you know, it's MK...

Absolutely! He has always been like this and I guess he will never change.  And I can live with it!

We have to!!!
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Post by: superval99 on November 16, 2020, 06:22:48 pm
I received my free download today - "My Bacon Roll" from MSG!    Needless to say, I'm over the moon!   ::)
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Post by: jbaent on November 16, 2020, 06:34:46 pm
I received my free download today - "My Bacon Roll" from MSG!    Needless to say, I'm over the moon!   ::)

W O W ! ! !
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Post by: border_reiver on November 16, 2020, 06:47:35 pm
Don't worry. The generic MK Facebook fan will be raving about this forever!

 ::)
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Post by: rmarques821 on November 17, 2020, 01:58:08 am
This thing of releasing random songs from past tours is the biggest joke I've seen.
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Post by: 2manyguitars on November 17, 2020, 10:45:07 pm
I received my free download today - "My Bacon Roll" from MSG!    Needless to say, I'm over the moon!   ::)

W O W ! ! !

Don't worry. Soon we will have the deluxe bacon roll limited edition version of the download, complete with a freshly preserved rare bacon roll! 😂

Cost, £300!
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Post by: dmg on November 18, 2020, 01:04:24 pm
I received my free download today - "My Bacon Roll" from MSG!    Needless to say, I'm over the moon!   ::)

W O W ! ! !

Don't worry. Soon we will have the deluxe bacon roll limited edition version of the download, complete with a freshly preserved rare bacon roll! 😂

Cost, £300!

And brown sauce at extra cost.  ::)
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Post by: 2manyguitars on November 19, 2020, 12:46:00 am
I received my free download today - "My Bacon Roll" from MSG!    Needless to say, I'm over the moon!   ::)

W O W ! ! !

Don't worry. Soon we will have the deluxe bacon roll limited edition version of the download, complete with a freshly preserved rare bacon roll! 😂

Cost, £300!

And brown sauce at extra cost.  ::)

👍
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Post by: jbaent on November 24, 2020, 05:28:05 pm
Mk and Guy are about to come back to the studio!
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Post by: Kris-b on November 24, 2020, 06:01:10 pm
Jippee😀😀😀
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Post by: rmarques821 on November 24, 2020, 06:14:39 pm
Mk and Guy are about to come back to the studio!

Good news.
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Post by: superval99 on November 24, 2020, 06:17:10 pm
I hope it's a new album!    :)
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 24, 2020, 06:26:40 pm
Mk and Guy are about to come back to the studio!

Good news.

News like this should have a description like *according to Guy Fletcher :lol
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Post by: Robson on November 24, 2020, 07:46:04 pm
Great news in these dark times :)
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Post by: KnopfleRick on November 24, 2020, 09:50:38 pm
Great news in these dark times :)

Yes, you are right.
As happy as I am hearing this great news I hope they take good care of themselves.
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Post by: jbaent on November 24, 2020, 09:56:47 pm
Mk and Guy are about to come back to the studio!

Good news.

News like this should have a description like *according to Guy Fletcher :lol

Yes, it's Guy who said it.
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Post by: Robson on November 25, 2020, 01:54:05 am
Great news in these dark times :)

Yes, you are right.
As happy as I am hearing this great news I hope they take good care of themselves.

Yes. Exactly. I think about it too.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 25, 2020, 12:54:49 pm
Personally I would rather they waited a few months till there is a vaccine...
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Post by: Kris-b on November 25, 2020, 02:05:16 pm
I think it will be only Guy and Mark at the beginning.  After the death of the studio manager, I am sure that everybody will be extremely careful and that the full band will not becoming for a while.
Yes ,and let's hope for a vaccine soon.
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 25, 2020, 02:10:20 pm
I think it will be only Guy and Mark at the beginning.  After the death of the studio manager, I am sure that everybody will be extremely careful and that the full band will not becoming for a while.
Yes ,and let's hope for a vaccine soon.

Some bands manage to record with the full band without having to get together. I know that's not MK's style, but maybe he would change things a little. A dream that will never come true would be of course an album full of acoustic songs, but I think Mark is not in the shape to pull it off anymore, so not this time I'm afraid. At this point, anything will do as long as they'd decide to create something.
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Post by: jbaent on November 25, 2020, 02:33:53 pm
They have a very big studio with plenty of isolated rooms, if they follow the advices, it's safe.
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Post by: 2manyguitars on November 25, 2020, 03:12:28 pm
They have a very big studio with plenty of isolated rooms, if they follow the advices, it's safe.

It all depends on what Tier London goes into at the end of our current lockdown. If it ends up with the strictest measures then all non essential travel could be banned.  :(

We will just have to wait and see what happens....
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 25, 2020, 03:37:37 pm
They have a very big studio with plenty of isolated rooms, if they follow the advices, it's safe.

It all depends on what Tier London goes into at the end of our current lockdown. If it ends up with the strictest measures then all non essential travel could be banned.  :(

We will just have to wait and see what happens....

To be honest, Mark has enough local heroes to work with, his "promo band" deserves more, would love to hear them on a new album. Just those two musicians, rhythm guitar player and a bass player bring SO much into the music. Anyway...
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Post by: jbaent on November 25, 2020, 04:55:52 pm
Marcus Cliffe or David Bronze on bass, Robbie Mcintosh on guitar, no need to bring Richard and Glenn  however those two could record remote for sure...
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Post by: Darling Pretty on November 25, 2020, 05:42:16 pm
well bringing in Robbie instead of Richard could work out very well.
On Tracker MK delivered all guitars. And that very well. But a Record without Glenn Worf is not to think of

They will prepare some songs in 2-3 months and do the Full Band thing maybe later when Joe Biden reopens the States again
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Post by: Elin N on November 25, 2020, 05:51:48 pm
Marcus Cliffe is actually playing with Pick Withers now. Small world!

Facebook post november 22th: "Another little snippet from Pick's brilliant rhythm section rehearsal with his new band,  SLIM PICKIN'S.  Marcus Cliffe on bass and Luca Boscagin on guitar"
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Post by: jbaent on November 25, 2020, 06:39:10 pm
well bringing in Robbie instead of Richard could work out very well.
On Tracker MK delivered all guitars. And that very well. But a Record without Glenn Worf is not to think of

They will prepare some songs in 2-3 months and do the Full Band thing maybe later when Joe Biden reopens the States again

Marcus is an excellent bass player, also David Bronze, Glenn is good but not that necessary.

Actually Guy played bass on some tracks on tracker and in Privateering, the bass on "redbud tree" is Guy, and it was OK.
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Post by: Robson on November 25, 2020, 07:36:03 pm
New album autumn 2021 ? :)
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Post by: hunter on November 25, 2020, 08:09:13 pm
Marcus Cliffe is actually playing with Pick Withers now. Small world!

Facebook post november 22th: "Another little snippet from Pick's brilliant rhythm section rehearsal with his new band,  SLIM PICKIN'S.  Marcus Cliffe on bass and Luca Boscagin on guitar"


Lovely! Just needs MK on guitar  ;D
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Post by: rmarques821 on November 25, 2020, 10:02:46 pm
New album autumn 2021 ? :)
Seems likely.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: qjamesfloyd on November 26, 2020, 08:29:55 am
Well, Guy has a studio, if British Grove is not an option right now, they could start there.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 26, 2020, 04:12:55 pm
Are they using a Kemper or a Zoom for this album ?
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 26, 2020, 07:45:34 pm
Are they using a Kemper or a Zoom for this album ?

I'd suggest them record one track from the album with a Kemper, leaving fans to a 100 pages long discussion on which track it was used on :lol
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: KnopfleRick on November 26, 2020, 08:57:29 pm
Are they using a Kemper or a Zoom for this album ?

I'd suggest them record one track from the album with a Kemper, leaving fans to a 100 pages long discussion on which track it was used on :lol

Yes, and if we are lucky the new album will be ready in 100 years or so  ;D
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 26, 2020, 09:23:50 pm
Are they using a Kemper or a Zoom for this album ?

I'd suggest them record one track from the album with a Kemper, leaving fans to a 100 pages long discussion on which track it was used on :lol

The direction is to the downside so it might be a Zoom this time or Amplitube
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 26, 2020, 10:20:27 pm
Are they using a Kemper or a Zoom for this album ?

I'd suggest them record one track from the album with a Kemper, leaving fans to a 100 pages long discussion on which track it was used on :lol


That would be easy, the one that sounds with too much distortion, unnecessarily unnatural.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 27, 2020, 07:36:59 am
Wow. This must be record breaking. Even before MK has started the studio work, people find something to complain about. Lighten up!
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 27, 2020, 07:59:22 am
Wow. This must be record breaking. Even before MK has started the studio work, people find something to complain about. Lighten up!

Even yourself!
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 27, 2020, 08:27:09 am
Wow. This must be record breaking. Even before MK has started the studio work, people find something to complain about. Lighten up!

Even yourself!


I'll reserve any complaints for the finished album. Until then I'll try to maintain a positive outlook. You and your downers-in-arms should try it sometime.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 08:34:12 am
Wow. This must be record breaking. Even before MK has started the studio work, people find something to complain about. Lighten up!

Even yourself!


I'll reserve any complaints for the finished album. Until then I'll try to maintain a positive outlook. You and your downers-in-arms should try it sometime.

Lol, there's always something to complain about. I'd want Mark to change some musicians at last, I'd want him to change his "right-hand man" at least once in his lifetime, I'd want him to record in some other studios besides British Grove just for the sake of change, to freshen things up a little. I'd want a more acoustic album, I'd want more jazz, and I'd want a ton of other things.

You're always expecting too much from Mark and when he finally delivers, it's always with some "compromises", and leaves too many people unhappy. Like this whole Kemper situation — it seemed to piss a lot of people off, while I personally don't care. Same thing with everything else. The sound of the album, the boring cover picture, bad marketing, there's always something to complaining about, that's just the reality of MK world.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 27, 2020, 08:43:19 am
Wow. This must be record breaking. Even before MK has started the studio work, people find something to complain about. Lighten up!

Even yourself!


I'll reserve any complaints for the finished album. Until then I'll try to maintain a positive outlook. You and your downers-in-arms should try it sometime.

Lol, there's always something to complain about. I'd want Mark to change some musicians at last, I'd want him to change his "right-hand man" at least once in his lifetime, I'd want him to record in some other studios besides British Grove just for the sake of change, to freshen things up a little. I'd want a more acoustic album, I'd want more jazz, and I'd want a ton of other things.

You're always expecting too much from Mark and when he finally delivers, it's always with some "compromises", and leaves too many people unhappy. Like this whole Kemper situation — it seemed to piss a lot of people off, while I personally don't care. Same thing with everything else. The sound of the album, the boring cover picture, bad marketing, there's always something to complaining about, that's just the reality of MK world.


I know, and I honestly don't have extremely high expectations, but I'm still hoping. If everyone starts having a "glass half empty" attitude towards everything, then this forum is doomed.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 08:54:32 am
Wow. This must be record breaking. Even before MK has started the studio work, people find something to complain about. Lighten up!

Even yourself!


I'll reserve any complaints for the finished album. Until then I'll try to maintain a positive outlook. You and your downers-in-arms should try it sometime.

Lol, there's always something to complain about. I'd want Mark to change some musicians at last, I'd want him to change his "right-hand man" at least once in his lifetime, I'd want him to record in some other studios besides British Grove just for the sake of change, to freshen things up a little. I'd want a more acoustic album, I'd want more jazz, and I'd want a ton of other things.

You're always expecting too much from Mark and when he finally delivers, it's always with some "compromises", and leaves too many people unhappy. Like this whole Kemper situation — it seemed to piss a lot of people off, while I personally don't care. Same thing with everything else. The sound of the album, the boring cover picture, bad marketing, there's always something to complaining about, that's just the reality of MK world.


I know, and I honestly don't have extremely high expectations, but I'm still hoping. If everyone starts having a "glass half empty" attitude towards everything, then this forum is doomed.

But that comes directly from MK himself, as he doesn't care at all about pleasing other people, rightfully so, and his entire fan-base and the entire working circle is doomed to be divided to 'yes men' and 'losers'. As with this forum, there are some people that are absolutely happy with literally EVERYTHING Knopfler does, and some people, like myself, tend to complaining a lot, which I can admit. That's not always the case with artists, as some artists care more about pleasing fans and hence deliver 'better marketing', 'better setlist', 'longer shows', 'more variety', etc. The Dude abides, Knopfler divides! :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 27, 2020, 09:11:26 am
I'd loved the last MK record and liked Tracker, also loved most of Privateering and most of the previous ones, but being a fan and love whatever MK does doesn't mean I have to say I'm pleased with everything as everything, always, can be improved. If we can talk about that and only say how wonderful is any little thing he does, then it's when this forum would be doomed to the biggest boredom ever.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 27, 2020, 09:18:25 am
Wow. This must be record breaking. Even before MK has started the studio work, people find something to complain about. Lighten up!

Even yourself!


I'll reserve any complaints for the finished album. Until then I'll try to maintain a positive outlook. You and your downers-in-arms should try it sometime.

Lol, there's always something to complain about. I'd want Mark to change some musicians at last, I'd want him to change his "right-hand man" at least once in his lifetime, I'd want him to record in some other studios besides British Grove just for the sake of change, to freshen things up a little. I'd want a more acoustic album, I'd want more jazz, and I'd want a ton of other things.

You're always expecting too much from Mark and when he finally delivers, it's always with some "compromises", and leaves too many people unhappy. Like this whole Kemper situation — it seemed to piss a lot of people off, while I personally don't care. Same thing with everything else. The sound of the album, the boring cover picture, bad marketing, there's always something to complaining about, that's just the reality of MK world.


I know, and I honestly don't have extremely high expectations, but I'm still hoping. If everyone starts having a "glass half empty" attitude towards everything, then this forum is doomed.

But that comes directly from MK himself, as he doesn't care at all about pleasing other people, rightfully so, and his entire fan-base and the entire working circle is doomed to be divided to 'yes men' and 'losers'. As with this forum, there are some people that are absolutely happy with literally EVERYTHING Knopfler does, and some people, like myself, tend to complaining a lot, which I can admit. That's not always the case with artists, as some artists care more about pleasing fans and hence deliver 'better marketing', 'better setlist', 'longer shows', 'more variety', etc. The Dude abides, Knopfler divides! :lol :lol :lol


No, it's not about "yes men" and "losers". Mark makes the album he wants to - as do most other artists - and sometimes many people like it and sometimes few. And who likes which album depends on taste only. Touring and setlists are another story and leave much to be desired, but now we are talking about the new album, which hasn't even been made yet. DTRW, for example, was a positive surprise for a lot of us, so we can never know what's coming next.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 27, 2020, 02:26:33 pm
1) A forum is exactly the place where all kinds of opinions should be posted

2) I think David Gilmour would kill himself rather playing and touring with a kemper, it's just complete nonsense, unless you like crap sounds

3) Irony exists
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 27, 2020, 03:13:42 pm
1) A forum is exactly the place where all kinds of opinions should be posted

2) I think David Gilmour would kill himself rather playing and touring with a kemper, it's just complete nonsense, unless you like crap sounds

3) Irony exists

Agree on all points.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Elin N on November 27, 2020, 03:39:25 pm
Check out Richard Bennetts last facebook post. Sweetest thing I've seen today  :D ;D

https://www.facebook.com/ModerneShellac/posts/10159195578562847
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 27, 2020, 03:46:14 pm
Check out Richard Bennetts last facebook post. Sweetest thing I've seen today  :D ;D

https://www.facebook.com/ModerneShellac/posts/10159195578562847

lol funny indeed

(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128316529_10159195578072847_3353784952008461174_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=belmShjjQowAX9B_6iC&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=b67a95931a15d26402cc32cc2727457f&oe=5FE61AAC)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: superval99 on November 27, 2020, 03:53:02 pm
Thank you, Elin.   Very sweet indeed!   ;D
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 27, 2020, 04:03:14 pm
1) A forum is exactly the place where all kinds of opinions should be posted

2) I think David Gilmour would kill himself rather playing and touring with a kemper, it's just complete nonsense, unless you like crap sounds

3) Irony exists


1) It's not about restricting anyone's opinion. It's the moaning for the sake of moaning which is a nuisance.


2) I think it's 99.99999% certain that Mark wouldn't use a Kemper in the studio.


3) Indeed, but irony does not come across well because of missing non-verbal communication.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 27, 2020, 04:09:55 pm
Gilmour famously recorded the solo for Another Brick In The Wall straight into the desk, so isn't necessarily hung up on amps.

Just saying.  ;)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 04:22:26 pm
Gilmour famously recorded the solo for Another Brick In The Wall straight into the desk, so isn't necessarily hung up on amps.

Just saying.  ;)

I think there are so many stories like that. You can be a die-hard valve warm tape analogue sound and gear fanatic, but at some point time will come to either try something different or do something else because your beloved stuff is not necessary or not available. It’s like Keith Jarrett famous concerto on a shitty piano, it’s like who cares? Personally I hate gear talk, and I truly believe the future is in the zeros and ones.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 27, 2020, 04:29:43 pm
Gilmour famously recorded the solo for Another Brick In The Wall straight into the desk, so isn't necessarily hung up on amps.

Just saying.  ;)

that sound is fantastic, it's not a dry sound
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: JF on November 27, 2020, 05:36:13 pm
Gilmour famously recorded the solo for Another Brick In The Wall straight into the desk, so isn't necessarily hung up on amps.

Just saying.  ;)

yes but to be accurate, the signal recorded was then re-amplified through an amplifier after the recording
so the tone you hear on the album is not the dry sound from the desk


from gilmourish.com : "clean signal heavily gated/compressed into the mixing desk, then fed through a Mesa/Boogie amp and back into the mixing desk"


the guitars on "Revolution", both by John are George are only through the mixing desk. no amp, no effect.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 27, 2020, 06:11:18 pm
Gilmour famously recorded the solo for Another Brick In The Wall straight into the desk, so isn't necessarily hung up on amps.

Just saying.  ;)

yes but to be accurate, the signal recorded was then re-amplified through an amplifier after the recording
so the tone you hear on the album is not the dry sound from the desk


from gilmourish.com : "clean signal heavily gated/compressed into the mixing desk, then fed through a Mesa/Boogie amp and back into the mixing desk"


the guitars on "Revolution", both by John are George are only through the mixing desk. no amp, no effect.

exactly, it's not a dry sound, it's one of the best engineered sound ever, nothing to do with a kemper
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 27, 2020, 07:55:42 pm
A Kemper on tour makes sense for practical and logistic reasons, and since 98% percent of the audience don't notice the difference, there is good reason to use Kempers. (I heard the difference and didn't like it at all.)


In a multi-million dollar studio, which Mark happens to own, plus his access to a huge selection of vintage and boutique amps, there is no reason why he would use a Kemper there.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 08:28:57 pm
A Kemper on tour makes sense for practical and logistic reasons, and since 98% percent of the audience don't notice the difference, there is good reason to use Kempers. (I heard the difference and didn't like it at all.)


In a multi-million dollar studio, which Mark happens to own, plus his access to a huge selection of vintage and boutique amps, there is no reason why he would use a Kemper there.

Belive it or not, I also hear the difference, but only if I'm actively looking for it. The live music industry really changes the music world in that regard. From the need of using some king of amplification to modern keyboards and amp emulators, it changes a lot. I think Mark's techs were the happiest people on tour, one big thing less to worry about, and getting a consistent sound each night is really worth it in my opinion. By the way, speaking of modeling amps, here's a brand new one for just little over 200 bucks (TWO HUNDRED BUCKS): https://www.positivegrid.com/spark/
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 27, 2020, 08:30:49 pm
A Kemper on tour makes sense for practical and logistic reasons, and since 98% percent of the audience don't notice the difference, there is good reason to use Kempers. (I heard the difference and didn't like it at all.)


In a multi-million dollar studio, which Mark happens to own, plus his access to a huge selection of vintage and boutique amps, there is no reason why he would use a Kemper there.

practical and logistic reasons ? really ? does he carry the amps himself ?
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 08:49:54 pm
A Kemper on tour makes sense for practical and logistic reasons, and since 98% percent of the audience don't notice the difference, there is good reason to use Kempers. (I heard the difference and didn't like it at all.)


In a multi-million dollar studio, which Mark happens to own, plus his access to a huge selection of vintage and boutique amps, there is no reason why he would use a Kemper there.

practical and logistic reasons ? really ? does he carry the amps himself ?

This is like Apple claiming that they will save the world by making iPhone boxes 2 times smaller lol. Seems not legit, but in the long run not bringing amps makes a huge difference — less time to set up, less space taken in trucks, less work for personnel, fewer things to break, incredible consistency night after night, overall it offers huge benefits over the fact that a few nerds will be utterly disappointed by the actual sound. Mark is an old-school guy, who I'm sure can spot Kemper sound from 100 kilometres away, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a cool and modern solution which saved him and his staff a lot of money and nerves. This is not a decision that an artist like this could make without fully realising all the consequences it will make.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 09:01:12 pm
I'm sorry for bringing the iPhone analogy again, but the reason they threw chargers and headphones out of the box was because they wanted to save some money. But why? Because they put the most advanced and expensive 5G chip in their phones, which costs a lot. So they decided, okay, we can put this chip in, but at the expense of less stuff in the box, and will not charge more for the product itself. In the meantime, Android phones with advanced 5G chips gain in their prices.

It could be the case with the whole Knopfler / Kemper situation. Because now they can cut some money on this department, they can bring more people on tour, they can afford more days off, which is not the cheapest thing in the world I imagine. So they decided to cut the corners where it's possible to make the tour happen, that's my little theory. Stop thinking that Mark is a king of the world who can afford everything, he goes on tour to make some money, too.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: ds1984 on November 27, 2020, 09:24:39 pm
practical and logistic reasons ? really ? does he carry the amps himself ?

...if only I had taken the Kemper for that tour I would never have injured my back. Strupid me!

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MvTzjw5j8hI/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 09:33:51 pm
Check out Richard Bennetts last facebook post. Sweetest thing I've seen today  :D ;D

https://www.facebook.com/ModerneShellac/posts/10159195578562847

lol funny indeed

(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128316529_10159195578072847_3353784952008461174_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=belmShjjQowAX9B_6iC&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=b67a95931a15d26402cc32cc2727457f&oe=5FE61AAC)

This picture, strangely enough, makes me happy and sad at the same time. Happy for obvious reasons, and sad because the creative process of MK has become so predictive and so straightforward, that you can start making memes out of it. You know the place, you know all the usual suspects, you know all basically. I don't know any artists like that. This is the most 'living in the comfort zone' behaviour as it gets. I really hope for some really fresh ideas on the new album!
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on November 27, 2020, 10:27:20 pm
Check out Richard Bennetts last facebook post. Sweetest thing I've seen today  :D ;D

https://www.facebook.com/ModerneShellac/posts/10159195578562847

lol funny indeed

(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128316529_10159195578072847_3353784952008461174_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=belmShjjQowAX9B_6iC&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=b67a95931a15d26402cc32cc2727457f&oe=5FE61AAC)

This picture, strangely enough, makes me happy and sad at the same time. Happy for obvious reasons, and sad because the creative process of MK has become so predictive and so straightforward, that you can start making memes out of it. You know the place, you know all the usual suspects, you know all basically. I don't know any artists like that. This is the most 'living in the comfort zone' behaviour as it gets. I really hope for some really fresh ideas on the new album!

My only wish is that Guy doesn’t mix the record. I love his sounds and his role as producer, but his mixing skills are nowhere near Chuck’s.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2020, 11:53:50 pm
Check out Richard Bennetts last facebook post. Sweetest thing I've seen today  :D ;D

https://www.facebook.com/ModerneShellac/posts/10159195578562847

lol funny indeed

(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128316529_10159195578072847_3353784952008461174_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=belmShjjQowAX9B_6iC&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=b67a95931a15d26402cc32cc2727457f&oe=5FE61AAC)

This picture, strangely enough, makes me happy and sad at the same time. Happy for obvious reasons, and sad because the creative process of MK has become so predictive and so straightforward, that you can start making memes out of it. You know the place, you know all the usual suspects, you know all basically. I don't know any artists like that. This is the most 'living in the comfort zone' behaviour as it gets. I really hope for some really fresh ideas on the new album!

My only wish is that Guy doesn’t mix the record. I love his sounds and his role as producer, but his mixing skills are nowhere near Chuck’s.

Me too, I've had quite a rant about mixing of the latest album, but surely knowing Mark there's more chances of him straight up giving some co-writing credits to Guy, rather than downgrading his expertise. Maybe he just thinks that he'll be as great as Chuck one day and keep him on that position. Guy, as it seems, feels like he's the best mixing engineer out there and that Tracker and Down The Road is supposedly the holy grail in terms of mixing, constantly brags about no EQ used, all that usual GF stuff what I'm completely tired about. All that bragging comes with some silver lining to me.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 28, 2020, 10:11:11 am
A Kemper on tour makes sense for practical and logistic reasons, and since 98% percent of the audience don't notice the difference, there is good reason to use Kempers. (I heard the difference and didn't like it at all.)


In a multi-million dollar studio, which Mark happens to own, plus his access to a huge selection of vintage and boutique amps, there is no reason why he would use a Kemper there.

I didn't know they were using a Kemper and I noticed that the guitar sound had more distortion than usual, even when playing with the Strat that usually sounded clean, not it was more "dirty", I thought it was just MK wanted to add more distortion to the sound to hide mistakes, but it ended being just a Kemper...
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 28, 2020, 10:13:22 am
I actually like Guy mix on Tracker, was so damm great to feel that the drums were in your room when listening to it... DTRW was nice but not as nice as Tracker.

I didn't like Chuck mixes, they sound too dry for me.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 28, 2020, 02:55:24 pm
practical and logistic reasons ? really ? does he carry the amps himself ?

...if only I had taken the Kemper for that tour I would never have injured my back. Strupid me!


ahah very good one
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 28, 2020, 03:09:12 pm
A Kemper on tour makes sense for practical and logistic reasons, and since 98% percent of the audience don't notice the difference, there is good reason to use Kempers. (I heard the difference and didn't like it at all.)


In a multi-million dollar studio, which Mark happens to own, plus his access to a huge selection of vintage and boutique amps, there is no reason why he would use a Kemper there.

Guy Fletcher just wrote MK used the kemper also in the last studio DTRW album, you were wrong also on this one
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 28, 2020, 03:53:46 pm
A Kemper on tour makes sense for practical and logistic reasons, and since 98% percent of the audience don't notice the difference, there is good reason to use Kempers. (I heard the difference and didn't like it at all.)


In a multi-million dollar studio, which Mark happens to own, plus his access to a huge selection of vintage and boutique amps, there is no reason why he would use a Kemper there.

Guy Fletcher just wrote MK used the kemper also in the last studio DTRW album, you were wrong also on this one


I can live with being wrong, Rocco. No problem.


I'm surprised to hear it, but I've never thought when listening to DTRW that "this sounds like a modeller", so they fooled me. However, now I need to listen to the album again and try figure out on which tracks they used a Kemper. One possible candidate is Good On You Son. I always felt the guitar on that track felt too processed, but that can just as well be due to the studio effects.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 28, 2020, 03:58:27 pm
Guy confirmed that they are recording a new album, right now setting up things in the studio.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Robson on November 28, 2020, 04:04:11 pm
I am very happy :)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: dmg on November 28, 2020, 05:34:20 pm
Guy confirmed that they are recording a new album, right now setting up things in the studio.

Get plentiful supplies of tea to BG for a 2025 release date then.  ;D
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Justme on November 28, 2020, 07:00:24 pm
I am very happy :)

Now this is good news.  :clap
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: superval99 on November 28, 2020, 07:02:46 pm
Great news!   I can't wait.     :)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Robson on November 28, 2020, 07:15:36 pm
I am very happy :)

Now this is good news.  :clap

Oh yes ! :)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: KnopfleRick on November 28, 2020, 07:31:40 pm
Best news in a long time! :clap
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Robson on November 28, 2020, 09:29:54 pm
Best news in a long time! :clap

Exactly :thumbsup

I’m still up in the morning to get behind the plough
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: tobi777 on November 28, 2020, 09:59:03 pm
2) I think David Gilmour would kill himself rather playing and touring with a kemper, it's just complete nonsense, unless you like crap sounds

Saying that Kempers generally sound like crap is ridiculous, sorry.
This bashing of digital technology is getting tedious. It's like those people who think they need 24/192 downloads and they could hear all the differences.
I bet most of the people - even trained musicians and engineers - couldn't tell the difference between a good Kemper profile and a recorded tube amp, especially on a recording (provided the profiles have been decently created).
Even modelling (not profiling) has become so refined that it is hard to tell from the real deal. You would be astonished on how many recordings this kind of technology has been used now.

If you don't like the sounds MK get with his Kemper, it has something to do with the profiling and personal tastes - but not the capabilities of the Kemper.

Personally I don't like the sound of the Texas Specials in his Signature Strat. When he started using this with "retro" amps, it just sounded to harsh and edgy to my ears.
I'd rather have the smooth sound of the 90's or the bell like sound of DS albums with a lot of compression.
But does that mean that his Komet or Tone King amps sound bad? Of course not.

I don't like the sound David Gilmour created with his Black Strat and his amps on the last tour. I prefer his red Strat with EMG pickups soundwise.
That doesn't mean his equipment is bad - it is just another sound you like or dislike.

I'm sad that his guitar playing has suffered a lot over the last years - comparing 2019 with 2005 live concerts for example makes me cringe - but this nothing to do with the Kemper amps.

BTW:
Just listen to that sound in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNZUYYcew0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNZUYYcew0)

It is the great Anto Drennan with a Boss Katana amp which is basically a practice amp. Does that sound bad? I don't think so.


Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 28, 2020, 10:10:05 pm
Personally I don't like the sound of the Texas Specials in his Signature Strat. When he started using this with "retro" amps, it just sounded to harsh and edgy to my ears.


Couldn't agree more. Such an add choice.


As for Katana tones, check this out. Outstanding playing and - tones!


www.youtube.com/watch?v=67z4PHxzieY
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 28, 2020, 10:25:06 pm
2) I think David Gilmour would kill himself rather playing and touring with a kemper, it's just complete nonsense, unless you like crap sounds

Saying that Kempers generally sound like crap is ridiculous, sorry.
This bashing of digital technology is getting tedious. It's like those people who think they need 24/192 downloads and they could hear all the differences.
I bet most of the people - even trained musicians and engineers - couldn't tell the difference between a good Kemper profile and a recorded tube amp, especially on a recording (provided the profiles have been decently created).
Even modelling (not profiling) has become so refined that it is hard to tell from the real deal. You would be astonished on how many recordings this kind of technology has been used now.

If you don't like the sounds MK get with his Kemper, it has something to do with the profiling and personal tastes - but not the capabilities of the Kemper.

Personally I don't like the sound of the Texas Specials in his Signature Strat. When he started using this with "retro" amps, it just sounded to harsh and edgy to my ears.
I'd rather have the smooth sound of the 90's or the bell like sound of DS albums with a lot of compression.
But does that mean that his Komet or Tone King amps sound bad? Of course not.

I don't like the sound David Gilmour created with his Black Strat and his amps on the last tour. I prefer his red Strat with EMG pickups soundwise.
That doesn't mean his equipment is bad - it is just another sound you like or dislike.

I'm sad that his guitar playing has suffered a lot over the last years - comparing 2019 with 2005 live concerts for example makes me cringe - but this nothing to do with the Kemper amps.

BTW:
Just listen to that sound in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNZUYYcew0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNZUYYcew0)

It is the great Anto Drennan with a Boss Katana amp which is basically a practice amp. Does that sound bad? I don't think so.

A lovely input. I think the bashing of new technology is more like a psychological thing. Being a millennial myself, in my life I somehow managed to get through vinyl, cassettes, CDs, mp3 collections and I have to admit, that streaming is far more convenient and enjoyable than all these "legacy" formats. I used so many headphones In my life, but wireless Bluetooth ones I can't live without anymore, it's so convenient and enjoyable. Same goes with modern amps, simulators and whatnot. Psychologically it's really hard to make that leap, because you lose "the ceremony" aspect of the process, but once you grasp all the benefits it becomes second nature to you.

Mind you, Mark played via wireless radio transmitters way back in the 80s or even maybe 70s, I don't think anybody cried about it. Technology is often not so much about sound, but about convenience. Being able to change many amps and effects on the fly is the dream for any musician. And the best thing is that you can always get back to your "real deal" ceremony and get all that you want from it. And most importantly, the technology, that was really bad years ago, finally gets to the point of real usability.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 28, 2020, 10:29:33 pm
Mind you, Mark played via wireless radio transmitters way back in the 80s or even maybe 70s, I don't think anybody cried about it. Technology is often not so much about sound, but about convenience. Being able to change many amps and effects on the fly is the dream for any musician.


As much as I love Alchemy, I have to say that Mark's guitar tone on for instance OUATITW isn't all that good, and I think much of that is due to the wireless transmitters.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 28, 2020, 11:10:42 pm
Mind you, Mark played via wireless radio transmitters way back in the 80s or even maybe 70s, I don't think anybody cried about it. Technology is often not so much about sound, but about convenience. Being able to change many amps and effects on the fly is the dream for any musician.


As much as I love Alchemy, I have to say that Mark's guitar tone on for instance OUATITW isn't all that good, and I think much of that is due to the wireless transmitters.

I always find it funny, when Mark Knopfler, who barely moves on stage, used wireless, while Brian May, who walked and danced around the whole stadium in the 80s, used a long cable and a separate guy to carry it. He switched to wireless though. And Mark went back to cable, funny enough. And then went to Kemper.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 29, 2020, 12:32:06 am
2) I think David Gilmour would kill himself rather playing and touring with a kemper, it's just complete nonsense, unless you like crap sounds

Saying that Kempers generally sound like crap is ridiculous, sorry.
This bashing of digital technology is getting tedious. It's like those people who think they need 24/192 downloads and they could hear all the differences.
I bet most of the people - even trained musicians and engineers - couldn't tell the difference between a good Kemper profile and a recorded tube amp, especially on a recording (provided the profiles have been decently created).
Even modelling (not profiling) has become so refined that it is hard to tell from the real deal. You would be astonished on how many recordings this kind of technology has been used now.

If you don't like the sounds MK get with his Kemper, it has something to do with the profiling and personal tastes - but not the capabilities of the Kemper.

Personally I don't like the sound of the Texas Specials in his Signature Strat. When he started using this with "retro" amps, it just sounded to harsh and edgy to my ears.
I'd rather have the smooth sound of the 90's or the bell like sound of DS albums with a lot of compression.
But does that mean that his Komet or Tone King amps sound bad? Of course not.

I don't like the sound David Gilmour created with his Black Strat and his amps on the last tour. I prefer his red Strat with EMG pickups soundwise.
That doesn't mean his equipment is bad - it is just another sound you like or dislike.

I'm sad that his guitar playing has suffered a lot over the last years - comparing 2019 with 2005 live concerts for example makes me cringe - but this nothing to do with the Kemper amps.

BTW:
Just listen to that sound in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNZUYYcew0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNZUYYcew0)

It is the great Anto Drennan with a Boss Katana amp which is basically a practice amp. Does that sound bad? I don't think so.

if you are an amateur musician I am sure the kemper can sound to your ears exactly like the real thing,
just like when you play a MK solo with your guitar and you think it's 100% perfect while there are 100000 errors

even Guy Fletcher and Marcus Cliffe (the guy who originally showed the kemper to MK) wrote several times
it does NOT sound like the real thing
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 29, 2020, 05:48:20 am
if you are an amateur musician I am sure the kemper can sound to your ears exactly like the real thing,
just like when you play a MK solo with your guitar and you think it's 100% perfect while there are 100000 errors

even Guy Fletcher and Marcus Cliffe (the guy who originally showed the kemper to MK) wrote several times
it does NOT sound like the real thing


Since now we know that a Kemper was used on DTRW, tell us then on which tracks they used a Kemper.

Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: tobi777 on November 29, 2020, 11:55:45 am
if you are an amateur musician I am sure the kemper can sound to your ears exactly like the real thing,
just like when you play a MK solo with your guitar and you think it's 100% perfect while there are 100000 errors

even Guy Fletcher and Marcus Cliffe (the guy who originally showed the kemper to MK) wrote several times
it does NOT sound like the real thing

Again: what is the "real thing"? The sound of MK has changed significantly over the years and his Tone King with a Strat sounds completely different than e.g. his Pensa Suhr with an overdriven Soldano amp.
When I listen to some recordings I think that his sound is much too grainy and scratchy nowadays - because of the pickups / amp combination. I'd prefer a good modeling to these sounds anytime.

The reason why I have been avoiding modelling for many years was not only the sound (which is getting more and more perfect) - but the feeling while playing. You always had a latency and a feeling you were not realy connected - if that makes any sense.
Even this has been improved so much, that modelling / profiling is now at a point where even professional musicians use these amps - not just amateurs. It is all over the world on literally thousands of records by renowned musicians.
The great Jerry Donahue even used a Morley JD10 Jerry Donahue Amp Emulator extensively - which is a very basic tool. And he always sounded really good.

Is the "real thing" also a cheap chinese tube amp for $200 - just because it has valves?
Does that compare to a Two Rock for $3000 or a Dumble for $50.000? Certainly not.

It is no rocket science to emulate a one channel amp with such a basic layout like the early amps have and MK uses.

The magic comes from his fingers.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 29, 2020, 02:52:56 pm
if you are an amateur musician I am sure the kemper can sound to your ears exactly like the real thing,
just like when you play a MK solo with your guitar and you think it's 100% perfect while there are 100000 errors

even Guy Fletcher and Marcus Cliffe (the guy who originally showed the kemper to MK) wrote several times
it does NOT sound like the real thing

Again: what is the "real thing"? The sound of MK has changed significantly over the years and his Tone King with a Strat sounds completely different than e.g. his Pensa Suhr with an overdriven Soldano amp.
When I listen to some recordings I think that his sound is much too grainy and scratchy nowadays - because of the pickups / amp combination. I'd prefer a good modeling to these sounds anytime.

The reason why I have been avoiding modelling for many years was not only the sound (which is getting more and more perfect) - but the feeling while playing. You always had a latency and a feeling you were not realy connected - if that makes any sense.
Even this has been improved so much, that modelling / profiling is now at a point where even professional musicians use these amps - not just amateurs. It is all over the world on literally thousands of records by renowned musicians.
The great Jerry Donahue even used a Morley JD10 Jerry Donahue Amp Emulator extensively - which is a very basic tool. And he always sounded really good.

Is the "real thing" also a cheap chinese tube amp for $200 - just because it has valves?
Does that compare to a Two Rock for $3000 or a Dumble for $50.000? Certainly not.

It is no rocket science to emulate a one channel amp with such a basic layout like the early amps have and MK uses.

The magic comes from his fingers.

no play on words please... the real thing is the real tube amp the kemper is trying to simulate, if you can't hear any difference you are an amateur and there's nothing wrong with being an amateur, end of story
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 29, 2020, 03:06:39 pm
if you are an amateur musician I am sure the kemper can sound to your ears exactly like the real thing,
just like when you play a MK solo with your guitar and you think it's 100% perfect while there are 100000 errors

even Guy Fletcher and Marcus Cliffe (the guy who originally showed the kemper to MK) wrote several times
it does NOT sound like the real thing


Since now we know that a Kemper was used on DTRW, tell us then on which tracks they used a Kemper.

the sound of an album through an hifi and a live sound in a concert are extremely different dynamically,
1000 times easier to simulate a real amp for a studio album

it's like asking to recognize a les paul in a certain position which sounds 99% like a blue pensa which sounds 99% like a don grosh, you can hear a huge difference live while in a studio album it's 99% the same

I even suspect that MK likes the sound of the kemper so much because he plays live through his in-ears monitors,
so he actually hears a difference of quality which is much smaller than what the audience hears unfortunately
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: tobi777 on November 29, 2020, 03:32:45 pm
the sound of an album through an hifi and a live sound in a concert are extremely different dynamically,
1000 times easier to simulate a real amp for a studio album

it's like asking to recognize a les paul in a certain position which sounds 99% like a blue pensa which sounds 99% like a don grosh, you can hear a huge difference live while in a studio album it's 99% the same

I even suspect that MK likes the sound of the kemper so much because he plays live through his in-ears monitors,
so he actually hears a difference of quality which is much smaller than what the audience hears unfortunately

So you're seriously trying to say that the live audience in a 10.000 seat arena with notoriously bad sound is able to distinguish between a real tube amp (which also goes through some processing stages) and a profiling amp over a PA system?
You must be kidding.

BTW I didn't use any wordplay - I was just asking questions you didn't care to answer.
And: I know that I am an amateur - but you obviously think you are a professional just because you think you can tell the a Kemper sounds crappy.
Who should take that seriously?

Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 29, 2020, 03:52:49 pm
the sound of an album through an hifi and a live sound in a concert are extremely different dynamically,
1000 times easier to simulate a real amp for a studio album

it's like asking to recognize a les paul in a certain position which sounds 99% like a blue pensa which sounds 99% like a don grosh, you can hear a huge difference live while in a studio album it's 99% the same

I even suspect that MK likes the sound of the kemper so much because he plays live through his in-ears monitors,
so he actually hears a difference of quality which is much smaller than what the audience hears unfortunately

So you're seriously trying to say that the live audience in a 10.000 seat arena with notoriously bad sound is able to distinguish between a real tube amp (which also goes through some processing stages) and a profiling amp over a PA system?
You must be kidding.

BTW I didn't use any wordplay - I was just asking questions you didn't care to answer.
And: I know that I am an amateur - but you obviously think you are a professional just because you think you can tell the a Kemper sounds crappy.
Who should take that seriously?

I answered what the real thing is, the amps MK is trying to simulate, so obviously chinese amps are not involved in the discussion, is that the very important question I didn't answer ?

I never wrote the whole audience will be able to hear the kemper lower quality

I am 'professional' only because I was so stupid to play 10 hours every day for a very long time,
I know very well what I am talking about and we are simply talking about very basic things,
and btw I am probably the most stupid person in the world, only a very stupid person can ruin his whole life at 18 yo like I did,
so I am not here to boast anything, I am here just to have a normal discussion in a forum
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 29, 2020, 05:29:49 pm
I am 'professional' only because I was so stupid to play 10 hours every day for a very long time,
I know very well what I am talking about and we are simply talking about very basic things,
and btw I am probably the most stupid person in the world, only a very stupid person can ruin his whole life at 18 yo like I did,
so I am not here to boast anything, I am here just to have a normal discussion in a forum

If you're a professional only because you used to play for hours on end trying to copy MK - then believe it.
I'm just too stupid to understand the "very basic things" then.

If that's a normal discussion for you to ridicule others with different opinions and write condescending posts - then so be it.
I'm rather getting the impression you are kind of frustrated and need to let it out, but this is nothing new.

End of story - as you like to put it.

I am not interested in discussing with a guy who thinks the kemper is perfect, believe what you want, it's more than normal to have different views

I am extremely frustrated for obvious reasons but that has nothing to do it with my comments, infact I never attacked you I just think you are wrong about the kemper, is that such a big problem ? I don't think so, so relax man
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 29, 2020, 05:51:26 pm
I think the fact that a guy with 40 years of touring and recording experience, having one of the best recording studios in the whole world, who played everything through everything, and still he trusts a $2,000 (not cheap by any means by the way) profiling amp speaks more than words. Nobody's put a gun at his head saying "play this or else we'll kill your dog". Realising that Mark played this was a surprise for me, not gonna lie, but it would certainly fool me.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 29, 2020, 05:53:36 pm
Play nice guys.

Arguing over tone and equipment - acceptable.

Personal attacks - unacceptable.


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Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 29, 2020, 05:55:04 pm
I think the fact that a guy with 40 years of touring and recording experience, having one of the best recording studios in the whole world, who played everything through everything, and still he trusts a $2,000 (not cheap by any means by the way) profiling amp speaks more than words. Nobody's put a gun at his head saying "play this or else we'll kill your dog". Realising that Mark played this was a surprise for me, not gonna lie, but it would certainly fool me.

Lewis Hamilton used a Fiat 500 few days ago, it must be a supercar, right ?

Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 29, 2020, 06:04:55 pm
I think the fact that a guy with 40 years of touring and recording experience, having one of the best recording studios in the whole world, who played everything through everything, and still he trusts a $2,000 (not cheap by any means by the way) profiling amp speaks more than words. Nobody's put a gun at his head saying "play this or else we'll kill your dog". Realising that Mark played this was a surprise for me, not gonna lie, but it would certainly fool me.

Lewis Hamilton used a Fiat 500 few days ago, it must be a supercar, right ?

More like Tesla, if you want an automotive analogy. Still takes you 2.5 seconds from 0 to 60, but does it “differently” and not warm and analog enough for purists and car enthusiasts.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: PensaGhost on November 29, 2020, 06:08:40 pm
I think the fact that a guy with 40 years of touring and recording experience, having one of the best recording studios in the whole world, who played everything through everything, and still he trusts a $2,000 (not cheap by any means by the way) profiling amp speaks more than words. Nobody's put a gun at his head saying "play this or else we'll kill your dog". Realising that Mark played this was a surprise for me, not gonna lie, but it would certainly fool me.

Lewis Hamilton used a Fiat 500 few days ago, it must be a supercar, right ?

More like Tesla, if you want an automotive analogy. Still takes you 2.5 seconds from 0 to 60, but does it “differently” and not warm and analog enough for purists and car enthusiasts.

you wrote that if MK uses a thing automatically it must be perfect or great

if this is the level of the discussion there's nothing to be added
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 29, 2020, 06:14:53 pm
Does anyone remember the title of this thread?
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 29, 2020, 06:18:12 pm
Right, you were warned, thread locked.


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Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 30, 2020, 10:22:11 am
Right, edited and reopened.

A reminder, you can say what you like about MK and his tech, but no attacks on fellow AMIT members please.  :)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 30, 2020, 10:27:53 am
if you are an amateur musician I am sure the kemper can sound to your ears exactly like the real thing,
just like when you play a MK solo with your guitar and you think it's 100% perfect while there are 100000 errors

even Guy Fletcher and Marcus Cliffe (the guy who originally showed the kemper to MK) wrote several times
it does NOT sound like the real thing


Since now we know that a Kemper was used on DTRW, tell us then on which tracks they used a Kemper.

I asked myself to Guy in which tracks the kemper were used.

I agree with who said that in a record is more difficult to know that live, as in a record I can't say really which guitar is used on this or that track unless it's too evident like in, let's say Beryl, so for me it's impossible to say which amp they used, but live, I noticed inmediatly that they were using something different because it wasn't sounding clean as in previous tours.

By the way, this Kemper discussion, is not related to the topic of this thread at all, and there is a topic about the Kemper here:

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=7499.0

Regarding the topic, I'm waiting any news about MK and Guy in the studio, they coming back to recording songs would be the best news in this horrible year.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: qjamesfloyd on November 30, 2020, 10:31:46 am
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 30, 2020, 10:33:07 am
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.

I reckon Mark had an awful lot of time to write songs in the lockdown, so I'm sure it will be a great one. He wrote Shangri-La while in his personal lockdown, and it's easily the most consistent album songwriting-wise, each track is a masterpiece, including drummerless ones.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on November 30, 2020, 10:41:03 am
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.

I reckon Mark had an awful lot of time to write songs in the lockdown, so I'm sure it will be a great one. He wrote Shangri-La while in his personal lockdown, and it's easily the most consistent album songwriting-wise, each track is a masterpiece, including drummerless ones.

With that said, Shangri-La is perfectly recorded and mixed as well. I'm not a fan of Tracker and Down The Road Wherever mixing as jbaent is, but I'm listening Shangri-La album right now and I can say that Mark's latest albums may be recorded technically better, but they lack that polished feel, Chuck just knows how to do it, this amazingly warm polished balanced feel of recording, where you're absolutely sure it can't get any better than this. Guy is less about perfectionism on the overall picture but in details.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: hunter on November 30, 2020, 10:42:49 am
One thing is for certain, Mark has never and will never make a bad album. Some are better than others, obviously, and some are growers, but the quality is always high.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: qjamesfloyd on November 30, 2020, 11:27:26 am
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.

I reckon Mark had an awful lot of time to write songs in the lockdown, so I'm sure it will be a great one. He wrote Shangri-La while in his personal lockdown, and it's easily the most consistent album songwriting-wise, each track is a masterpiece, including drummerless ones.

With that said, Shangri-La is perfectly recorded and mixed as well. I'm not a fan of Tracker and Down The Road Wherever mixing as jbaent is, but I'm listening Shangri-La album right now and I can say that Mark's latest albums may be recorded technically better, but they lack that polished feel, Chuck just knows how to do it, this amazingly warm polished balanced feel of recording, where you're absolutely sure it can't get any better than this. Guy is less about perfectionism on the overall picture but in details.

The interesting thing about a polished album. The original Tubular Bells is full or mistakes, in the recording, the playing, the tempo, the instrument tuning, but it is a masterpiece, however, these things always bothered Mike Oldfield, it was a consequence of Mike not really having the time to record the music properly. In 2003 he re-recorded the whole album perfectly, to me it sound great, but he himself acknowledged that it didn't so as well as the original, and what gave the original it's greatness was all the issues it has. So for his latest album, he left  in slight errors, although there are very few noticeable to my ears, if any. The point is, I think there is a lot of focus in modern music making on perfection, and there shouldn't be.

One thing is for certain, Mark has never and will never make a bad album. Some are better than others, obviously, and some are growers, but the quality is always high.

Agreed, Mark has never made a bad solo or Dire Straits album.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on November 30, 2020, 11:37:15 am
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.

I reckon Mark had an awful lot of time to write songs in the lockdown, so I'm sure it will be a great one. He wrote Shangri-La while in his personal lockdown, and it's easily the most consistent album songwriting-wise, each track is a masterpiece, including drummerless ones.

I agree. I'm quite curious to see what he does!
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: localhero1986 on November 30, 2020, 10:30:45 pm
Does anyone remember the title of this thread?

Yes, used to be “More opinions coming your way” ;D
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: 2manyguitars on November 30, 2020, 11:51:39 pm
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.

I reckon Mark had an awful lot of time to write songs in the lockdown, so I'm sure it will be a great one. He wrote Shangri-La while in his personal lockdown, and it's easily the most consistent album songwriting-wise, each track is a masterpiece, including drummerless ones.

With that said, Shangri-La is perfectly recorded and mixed as well. I'm not a fan of Tracker and Down The Road Wherever mixing as jbaent is, but I'm listening Shangri-La album right now and I can say that Mark's latest albums may be recorded technically better, but they lack that polished feel, Chuck just knows how to do it, this amazingly warm polished balanced feel of recording, where you're absolutely sure it can't get any better than this. Guy is less about perfectionism on the overall picture but in details.

The interesting thing about a polished album. The original Tubular Bells is full or mistakes, in the recording, the playing, the tempo, the instrument tuning, but it is a masterpiece, however, these things always bothered Mike Oldfield, it was a consequence of Mike not really having the time to record the music properly. In 2003 he re-recorded the whole album perfectly, to me it sound great, but he himself acknowledged that it didn't so as well as the original, and what gave the original it's greatness was all the issues it has. So for his latest album, he left  in slight errors, although there are very few noticeable to my ears, if any. The point is, I think there is a lot of focus in modern music making on perfection, and there shouldn't be.

One thing is for certain, Mark has never and will never make a bad album. Some are better than others, obviously, and some are growers, but the quality is always high.

Agreed, Mark has never made a bad solo or Dire Straits album.

Just wait for the Knopfler Christmas album 😉😂
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: KnopfleRick on December 01, 2020, 08:04:17 pm
Funny, had the same thought today.  ;D
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: rmarques821 on December 01, 2020, 08:48:32 pm
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.

I reckon Mark had an awful lot of time to write songs in the lockdown, so I'm sure it will be a great one. He wrote Shangri-La while in his personal lockdown, and it's easily the most consistent album songwriting-wise, each track is a masterpiece, including drummerless ones.

With that said, Shangri-La is perfectly recorded and mixed as well. I'm not a fan of Tracker and Down The Road Wherever mixing as jbaent is, but I'm listening Shangri-La album right now and I can say that Mark's latest albums may be recorded technically better, but they lack that polished feel, Chuck just knows how to do it, this amazingly warm polished balanced feel of recording, where you're absolutely sure it can't get any better than this. Guy is less about perfectionism on the overall picture but in details.

The interesting thing about a polished album. The original Tubular Bells is full or mistakes, in the recording, the playing, the tempo, the instrument tuning, but it is a masterpiece, however, these things always bothered Mike Oldfield, it was a consequence of Mike not really having the time to record the music properly. In 2003 he re-recorded the whole album perfectly, to me it sound great, but he himself acknowledged that it didn't so as well as the original, and what gave the original it's greatness was all the issues it has. So for his latest album, he left  in slight errors, although there are very few noticeable to my ears, if any. The point is, I think there is a lot of focus in modern music making on perfection, and there shouldn't be.

One thing is for certain, Mark has never and will never make a bad album. Some are better than others, obviously, and some are growers, but the quality is always high.

Agreed, Mark has never made a bad solo or Dire Straits album.

Just wait for the Knopfler Christmas album 😉😂
With classics such as Rudolph & Juliet, Don't Crash the Sleigh, Sailing to Lapland and Who's Your Santa Now?
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Robson on December 01, 2020, 09:17:51 pm
The Ragpicker's Dream is a beautiful and touching Christmas carol. I don't need any other Christmas songs.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Love Expresso on December 01, 2020, 10:01:06 pm
Very nice post, Robson. And very true.

LE
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Robson on December 02, 2020, 12:04:27 am
Thank you Love Expresso.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: 2manyguitars on December 02, 2020, 12:22:57 am
Mark must have lots of new songs written, not to mention previous ones not recorded, so I am really looking forward to the new album, maybe he could release his 2nd double album.

I reckon Mark had an awful lot of time to write songs in the lockdown, so I'm sure it will be a great one. He wrote Shangri-La while in his personal lockdown, and it's easily the most consistent album songwriting-wise, each track is a masterpiece, including drummerless ones.

With that said, Shangri-La is perfectly recorded and mixed as well. I'm not a fan of Tracker and Down The Road Wherever mixing as jbaent is, but I'm listening Shangri-La album right now and I can say that Mark's latest albums may be recorded technically better, but they lack that polished feel, Chuck just knows how to do it, this amazingly warm polished balanced feel of recording, where you're absolutely sure it can't get any better than this. Guy is less about perfectionism on the overall picture but in details.

The interesting thing about a polished album. The original Tubular Bells is full or mistakes, in the recording, the playing, the tempo, the instrument tuning, but it is a masterpiece, however, these things always bothered Mike Oldfield, it was a consequence of Mike not really having the time to record the music properly. In 2003 he re-recorded the whole album perfectly, to me it sound great, but he himself acknowledged that it didn't so as well as the original, and what gave the original it's greatness was all the issues it has. So for his latest album, he left  in slight errors, although there are very few noticeable to my ears, if any. The point is, I think there is a lot of focus in modern music making on perfection, and there shouldn't be.

One thing is for certain, Mark has never and will never make a bad album. Some are better than others, obviously, and some are growers, but the quality is always high.

Agreed, Mark has never made a bad solo or Dire Straits album.

Just wait for the Knopfler Christmas album 😉😂
With classics such as Rudolph & Juliet, Don't Crash the Sleigh, Sailing to Lapland and Who's Your Santa Now?

Brilliant 😂
 I'd buy it!
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on December 02, 2020, 10:35:09 am
Well, Clapton or Dylan Christmas records were nice, and if MK does one, I'm sure that it would be nice too, but I hope he doesn't any, unless he did songs like "Ragpickers" with christmas taste, instead of christmas songs...
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on December 02, 2020, 01:13:52 pm
Well, Clapton or Dylan Christmas records were nice, and if MK does one, I'm sure that it would be nice too, but I hope he doesn't any, unless he did songs like "Ragpickers" with christmas taste, instead of christmas songs...

Mark is the kind of guy who even for a duo with Tommy Emmanuel writes a brand new song. I think the album of covers is generally not possible, for Christmas, maybe, a one-off single could be possible or collaboration on another album. No way Mark will do a whole Christmas album, no matter how many times Guy could ask for it :lol

But seriously, Mark seems to really love Christmas time, I think from Richard Bennett interview especially you can think that Mark is really serious about Christmas. I think he treats his own fortunate life as a Christmas present and this story about his show on Christmas Eve when he realised he wanted to be a musician for life, this is magical. And "The Ragpicker's Dream" might be the ultimate and best song he's ever done.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: 2manyguitars on December 02, 2020, 01:48:24 pm
Well, Clapton or Dylan Christmas records were nice, and if MK does one, I'm sure that it would be nice too, but I hope he doesn't any, unless he did songs like "Ragpickers" with christmas taste, instead of christmas songs...

Sorry to be negative (although meant with a slightly humorous grin) but Christmas albums are the things an artist does when he/she has completely run out of ideas. I just cant take them seriously from an artistic perspective. I mean come on, how many times can you record Jingle Bells or Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer and maintain a shred of creative originality!  ;D :lol
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: qjamesfloyd on December 02, 2020, 02:41:05 pm
I agree, Mark making a Christmas album is the last thing any of us should want. I doubt he would ever even consider doing one, why would he? It's to limiting for a songwriter of his standard.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: dustyvalentino on December 02, 2020, 02:48:28 pm
Well, Clapton or Dylan Christmas records were nice, and if MK does one, I'm sure that it would be nice too, but I hope he doesn't any, unless he did songs like "Ragpickers" with christmas taste, instead of christmas songs...

Sorry to be negative (although meant with a slightly humorous grin) but Christmas albums are the things an artist does when he/she has completely run out of ideas. I just cant take them seriously from an artistic perspective. I mean come on, how many times can you record Jingle Bells or Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer and maintain a shred of creative originality!  ;D :lol

The Dylan Christmas album is a creative tour de force.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: 2manyguitars on December 02, 2020, 03:59:04 pm
Well, Clapton or Dylan Christmas records were nice, and if MK does one, I'm sure that it would be nice too, but I hope he doesn't any, unless he did songs like "Ragpickers" with christmas taste, instead of christmas songs...

Sorry to be negative (although meant with a slightly humorous grin) but Christmas albums are the things an artist does when he/she has completely run out of ideas. I just cant take them seriously from an artistic perspective. I mean come on, how many times can you record Jingle Bells or Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer and maintain a shred of creative originality!  ;D :lol

The Dylan Christmas album is a creative tour de force.

I found it quite awkward a listen to be  honest but it was for good causes and in that sense is exempt from criticism. Much of what Dylan did on that was tongue in cheek and it certainly wasn't meant as a bold creative statement.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Marnix on December 02, 2020, 05:46:06 pm
Knopfler already did Christmas.

https://youtu.be/s4FJ81GSPqk
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: 2manyguitars on December 02, 2020, 09:57:06 pm
Knopfler already did Christmas.

https://youtu.be/s4FJ81GSPqk

Not forgetting Robbie The Reindeer as well...
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: quizzaciously on December 21, 2020, 08:30:36 am
So how Mark is going to make it into the studio when he actually sold his shoes on a charity auction? :hmm
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Kris-b on December 21, 2020, 08:56:00 am
So how Mark is going to make it into the studio when he actually sold his shoes on a charity auction? :hmm

And doesn’t have a guitar either!
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: skydiver on December 21, 2020, 09:32:24 am
So how Mark is going to make it into the studio when he actually sold his shoes on a charity auction? :hmm

And doesn’t have a guitar either!

On a more serious level, the stricter lockdown rules might delay the inital work of MK and GF at BG on the new album.
Hopefully both stay healthy.
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Post by: quizzaciously on December 21, 2020, 10:35:59 am
So how Mark is going to make it into the studio when he actually sold his shoes on a charity auction? :hmm

And doesn’t have a guitar either!

On a more serious level, the stricter lockdown rules might delay the inital work of MK and GF at BG on the new album.
Hopefully both stay healthy.

The time just screams for a proper 'solo' album, but I think there's 1% chance of MK doing it, unfortunately. Imagine the album filled with songs like Matchstick Man, Heart Of Oak, etc. Mark had many acoustic versions of his songs which sounds amazing. I have a little collection of his acoustic performances, and all of them, including Romeo & Juliet, was extremely great.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on December 21, 2020, 10:58:51 am
He would need someone at the helm anyway, at least to push the button and controls...
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: superval99 on December 21, 2020, 02:47:04 pm
So how Mark is going to make it into the studio when he actually sold his shoes on a charity auction? :hmm

And doesn’t have a guitar either!

On a more serious level, the stricter lockdown rules might delay the inital work of MK and GF at BG on the new album.
Hopefully both stay healthy.

The time just screams for a proper 'solo' album, but I think there's 1% chance of MK doing it, unfortunately. Imagine the album filled with songs like Matchstick Man, Heart Of Oak, etc. Mark had many acoustic versions of his songs which sounds amazing. I have a little collection of his acoustic performances, and all of them, including Romeo & Juliet, was extremely great.

Yes, I would like a solo album very much -  with Guy on keys, of course.   :)
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: cannibals on December 21, 2020, 03:49:50 pm
Reading on Guy’s forum the Henrik Hansen documentary will be out next year.
Did i mis this great news..... ???
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Post by: KnopfleRick on December 21, 2020, 03:51:07 pm
Just Mark and his guitar would be fine.
But now the most important thing is that Mark and everyone around him keep safe and stay healthy. Hopefully better times will come soon.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: Elin N on December 21, 2020, 08:30:02 pm

On a more serious level, the stricter lockdown rules might delay the inital work of MK and GF at BG on the new album.
Hopefully both stay healthy.
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They were about 3 weeks in the studio as far as I know, now in December. My guess is that it was just the two of them, maybe some of the other Brits. 
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: jbaent on December 21, 2020, 09:27:48 pm

On a more serious level, the stricter lockdown rules might delay the inital work of MK and GF at BG on the new album.
Hopefully both stay healthy.

They were about 3 weeks in the studio as far as I know, now in December. My guess is that it was just the two of them, maybe some of the other Brits.
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It would be the two of them for most of the time, until songs are ready for bass, drums and other instruments. I guess that logic says they are doing all guitars and keyboards.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: MagicElliott on December 22, 2020, 09:26:02 pm
It does make you wonder how many people they actually NEED. If everything was stripped back, could they Handel most of it themselves. Could they, for example, do without Glenn Saggers? I fully understand it must be more convenient with him around but I reckon there’s nothing that he can do that Mark and Guy can’t.
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Post by: Pottel on December 22, 2020, 09:40:52 pm
i doubt they can do it without Glenn.
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Post by: jbaent on December 22, 2020, 09:59:05 pm
It does make you wonder how many people they actually NEED. If everything was stripped back, could they Handel most of it themselves. Could they, for example, do without Glenn Saggers? I fully understand it must be more convenient with him around but I reckon there’s nothing that he can do that Mark and Guy can’t.

Without Glenn Saggers and all the rest of techs at BG, no way.
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Post by: quizzaciously on December 22, 2020, 10:23:30 pm
It does make you wonder how many people they actually NEED. If everything was stripped back, could they Handel most of it themselves. Could they, for example, do without Glenn Saggers? I fully understand it must be more convenient with him around but I reckon there’s nothing that he can do that Mark and Guy can’t.

Without Glenn Saggers and all the rest of techs at BG, no way.

I recall that MK recorded "Marbletown" himself in his flat? For a full-time rocker album for sure they can't do it, but a simple one they can handle I think. The problem is they probably don't want a simple album :-\
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Post by: jbaent on December 22, 2020, 10:29:51 pm
Guy can do the engineering, producing, play keyboards, bass and drums, MK can play all guitars and even the bass, but all the technic side of the recording, and the maintenance of the instruments, they need the techs. Probably they can do some of it themselves, but not in the level required.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: qjamesfloyd on December 23, 2020, 10:48:28 am
It's not unusual for an artist to do everything on there on, for example Mike Oldfield lives on the Bahamas, and he plays and records everything himself, and he does the production and engineering too, but then again Mike is unique, and it's just Mark's thing to do that, plus Mark owns a big studio so probably doesn't seem to need a studio at home, even a small one.
Title: Re: "More music coming your way"
Post by: JF on December 23, 2020, 11:34:43 am
I recall that MK recorded "Marbletown" himself in his flat? For a full-time rocker album for sure they can't do it, but a simple one they can handle I think. The problem is they probably don't want a simple album :-\

yes indeed Marbletown was recorde at home, before BG studio exists

river of grog, heart of oak could have been recorded this way too ?
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Post by: jbaent on December 23, 2020, 11:50:50 am
I recall that MK recorded "Marbletown" himself in his flat? For a full-time rocker album for sure they can't do it, but a simple one they can handle I think. The problem is they probably don't want a simple album :-\

yes indeed Marbletown was recorde at home, before BG studio exists

river of grog, heart of oak could have been recorded this way too ?

Studio 2 in British Grove, where he records everything when they are just MK and Guy, was built to emulate that home studio in Holland Park Mews, but with a better equipment in the control room.

As you can see in some pictures, MK record his guitars and voices in that room (studio 2) and Guy controls the desk and play beyboards from the control room. When they bring one musician to play just his part (like when Ian Thomas went to Studio 2 to record alone drums for "Rivre towns") they use also that room in studio 2, or the own control room.

It's only when they have a bigger number of musicians that they go to Studio1.

So, yes, River of Grog, Heart of Oak and Matchstick Man were recorded with MK alone at Studio 2 with Guy at the control room.