Post by: straitsway75 on July 06, 2013, 10:40:11 PM
Evident that Mark Knopfler is my favorite artist in music, but it is not the only artist I listen: people like jj Cale, Dylan, Floyd, Clapton, Morrison, Neil Young, Simon, Springsteen and so on make music that really like too.
Much of these artist are members of famous Rock and roll of fame museum - Cleveland Usa.
Mark Knopfler as leader of Dire Straits, had composed, played guitar, produced songs like Sultans Of Swing, Tunnel of love, Telegraph road, Money for nothing, On every Street & pubblished Brothers in arms world's best selling album having sold 30 million copies worldwide.
Mark Knopfler as guitar player/songwriter/producer had performing for Dylan, V. Morrison, Atkins, Clapton, Marvin, McCartney, Jones, Newman, America, Lynott, Chieftains, Tina Turner, Harris, Buddy Guy, BB King, Phil Everly, Bill Wyman, Scotty Moore and so on.
Mark Knopfler as solo career ha pubblished 7 album well executed just to mention Sailing to Philadelphia & Get Lucky ...very millestones....... plus album with Chet Atkins, Emmylou Harris & Notting Hillbillies.......what else to add?
I've always wondered WHY our MK is not a member yet in this historical museum of music.
Someone knows how to give some opinion on this.
Thanks
straitsway75
Post by: dmg on July 06, 2013, 10:47:07 PM
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 07, 2013, 03:51:27 AM
but I think that there are over a thousand great musicians/bands (some less known) who are not in.
Marks musical goal is not to achieve a place in the Rock and roll of fame museum , I guess .
Are some of my other big friends like: Randy Newman ,John Prine, Greg Trooper, David Olney , Chip Taylor , Eric Taylor,
Robert Earl Keen, Joe Satriani ,EC, Paul Brady etc already in?
If not I must have a bad taste of music.................. :hmm
Post by: sweetsurrender on July 07, 2013, 07:13:44 AM
You said it! I don't care really. In fact, I really quite like the fact he isn't.
Me too. :) Mark doesn't seem to care if he's in or not. We fans actually don't give a hoot about it either. :wave
Post by: Roland Dent on July 07, 2013, 11:33:22 PM
Post by: Hophead on July 07, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
When it comes to mainstream music wor Marky is not on the radar in the USA. He just isn't in the music library of most USA radio stations.That's because the majority of the over-the-air radio stations over here are top-40 crap. With the exception of a few special songwriter oriented shows on a local classic rock station..I don't listen to the radio...not worth the aggravation. As for the Hall of Shame...it's just a popularity contest...and I agree with sweetsurrender in saying that I'm glad he's not in.
Post by: vgonis on July 08, 2013, 12:55:22 AM
I was listening the other night a radio producer, who after he played SOS, he felt oblidged to say a few words about MK. He said that MK likes to strech his solos out of porpotion (like Santana!!!) and that at during the recording of SOS the producer had to fade him out!!!
Of course he was totally mistaken and apart from not doing a research before saying any of these stupid things, I understood that he thought that MK is over rated. And many people that clasify music, find that DS and MK represent the old guard and this is not a good thing to say, since it means old, rich, with nothing new to offer, etc.
And, who cares if he is in the hall of fame or outside playing in the street corner. I would be at the street corner with him.
Post by: Roland Dent on July 08, 2013, 04:01:36 AM
Post by: Lis on July 08, 2013, 08:54:01 PM
And, who cares if he is in the hall of fame or outside playing in the street corner. I would be at the street corner with him.+1 :D
Post by: straitsway75 on July 08, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
This post was intended to bear witness to the inadequacy of Hall of fame not the opposite.
Bye
straitsway75
Post by: IrisRose on July 08, 2013, 10:56:54 PM
Still, I wish that the reviewers, etc, would let him and his music of the past 17 years stand under the name Mark Knopfler, rather than a past incarnation. Just my dollar's worth. :) Inflation, you know.
Post by: Hophead on July 09, 2013, 12:55:13 AM
Something that has bothered me for a number of years now, is that commentators, reviewers, announcers, and the like always refer to him as "former frontman of Dire Straits" Or something similar. I still listen to DS--Communique being my favorite album/cd--but Mark Knopfler is nearly 20 years out from Dire Straits. I admit that here in the US, I have to add . . . "Dire Straits?" when explaining my favorite singer/songrwriter to people. Only then do many of them recognize the name, well, not even the name, just the group. And it is so nice to talk to someone who recognizes the name and knows some fairly recent music of his.It's worth more than a dollar IrisRose ;D. OMG if I had a nic...errr..dollar for everytime I heard an 'entertainment expert' refer to Mark as the 'former frontman' for DS..I'd be..well..I'd have a lot of dollars! ;D I want to just grab them by the collar and yell at them IT'S BEEN OVER SEVENTEEN YEARS YOU IDIOT! Then I remember where I live..and calm my nerves with a dose of something like "Follow the Ribbon"..always works.
Still, I wish that the reviewers, etc, would let him and his music of the past 17 years stand under the name Mark Knopfler, rather than a past incarnation. Just my dollar's worth. :) Inflation, you know.
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 09, 2013, 01:19:39 AM
Something that has bothered me for a number of years now, is that commentators, reviewers, announcers, and the like always refer to him as "former frontman of Dire Straits" Or something similar. I still listen to DS--Communique being my favorite album/cd--but Mark Knopfler is nearly 20 years out from Dire Straits. I admit that here in the US, I have to add . . . "Dire Straits?" when explaining my favorite singer/songrwriter to people. Only then do many of them recognize the name, well, not even the name, just the group. And it is so nice to talk to someone who recognizes the name and knows some fairly recent music of his.
Still, I wish that the reviewers, etc, would let him and his music of the past 17 years stand under the name Mark Knopfler, rather than a past incarnation. Just my dollar's worth. :) Inflation, you know.
I don't think that is only a problem in US,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when I say "I am a fan of Mark Knopfler" (offcourse Dutch spoken), a lot of people
pull up their eye-brows (frown) .............than I only say "Dire Straits"........and they understand with mostly the kind response "Dire Straits..........yeahhh that's a great band"
And when I add to it that the band DS doesn't exists anymore since 1992, they feel sorry for me.
But when I go on and say....after that Mark Knopfler went solo.........I see the same WHO, YOU SAY :hmm on their face.
In pubs and bars only DS hits come along , and when they know me, the one who put up the song tries to get eye contact for a thumb up,
which I always kindly give offcourse.
But visa verse , not long ago I run into a guy who did audition as guitarist for a band in Holland ,
he ended up in my local pub his acoustic guitar with him , after some blabla bla we started to strum some songs on his guitar,
which most of the people in knew.
When the guitar was put in my hands again I choose to play a John Prine song "Angel from Montgomery"
nobody sung along except for the American guy , after the song he asked me if I knew john prine's "All the best" ,
I said yes and I start playing and he sung.......we both were flabbergasted ,he for the fact that somebody in Holland knew John Prine,
and I that john Prine is so well known in the US. because I had never met somebody in person who knew John Prine before and there was somebody who knew at least two songs ;D
Post by: JF on July 09, 2013, 09:59:42 AM
But I would add that in France, Dire Straits doesn't have a "cool" reputation (like e.g. floyd), it's often called "cheesy" music, "fm-80ies-pop-commercial music" which I disagree of course, but most of my colleagues-firends-family see them as an "aged" and "dated" band, while they would prefer bands like U2, Cure, Depeche mode from the same era.
I discovered DS in 88, and since this date, I rarely had the sensation of listen to a "trendy" band, even during the 90-93 period
Post by: Roland Dent on July 09, 2013, 01:13:49 PM
Post by: superval99 on July 09, 2013, 01:20:34 PM
..I have never seen him in person..ever ( I don't need to)
Yes you do, Roland! Nothing is as good as seeing MK playing live in front of you! Not any video or YouTube clip or any live recording comes anywhere close to seeing and hearing him playing live! Give yourself a treat and get a ticket for the next Newcastle show, when it comes! :)
Post by: Roland Dent on July 09, 2013, 01:48:42 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 05, 2017, 10:30:54 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rock-hall-of-fame-radiohead-rage-bon-jovi-lead-nominees-w507052
Post by: vgonis on October 05, 2017, 10:37:09 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on October 05, 2017, 10:40:28 AM
LE
Post by: quizzaciously on October 05, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
first time lucky? Some of the other artists are so popular and with recent works. Lets wait and see. I don't think they will make it.
+1, I bet Radiohead will take this one. Nothing I would cry about though... But I do wait when Mark would receive his knighthood nomination.
Post by: cannibals on October 05, 2017, 10:45:50 AM
Post by: vgonis on October 05, 2017, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: Pottel on October 05, 2017, 11:03:30 AM
The ceremony could also mark the first Dire Straits performance since their 1995 split,
Post by: quizzaciously on October 05, 2017, 11:10:09 AM
i do like this bit though:
The ceremony could also mark the first Dire Straits performance since their 1995 split,
Wow, the word "could" here is so vague I didn't even notice it to be honest. No way it could really happen, unless it has something to do with the "secret project".
Post by: Pottel on October 05, 2017, 11:45:41 AM
I am not waiting on a reunion, but if it would happen for this, why not?i do like this bit though:
The ceremony could also mark the first Dire Straits performance since their 1995 split,
Wow, the word "could" here is so vague I didn't even notice it to be honest. No way it could really happen, unless it has something to do with the "secret project".
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM
I am not waiting on a reunion, but if it would happen for this, why not?i do like this bit though:
The ceremony could also mark the first Dire Straits performance since their 1995 split,
Wow, the word "could" here is so vague I didn't even notice it to be honest. No way it could really happen, unless it has something to do with the "secret project".
If so, I hope somebody at the ceremony, preferably Mark himself, would tell at last, that there's no any major difference between DS and MK. He could continue with DS, he could be MK right from the start. The funniest thing is how to determine the lineup? Do they mean the first Dire Straits performance since their 1995 split as in with MK and John Illsley? Or MK with David, Pick and John? Or the early 90s lineup? Or what's happening? :lol
What was the band before the split anyway? Mark, John, Clark & Guy? He obviously can't play with Alan and David anymore, so should it be just Mark, John and Guy? Oh my, I'm so confused. Please, no.
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 05, 2017, 02:24:02 PM
1. Dire Straits and Bon Jovi are not 'cool'.
2. They probably know Mark wouldn't play live at the ceremony with Alan or David.
3. They surely know Mark couldn't care less...
Post by: Pottel on October 05, 2017, 02:44:38 PM
Ain't gonna happen, we all know why...In the article they mention mark, John, guy, pick, David and Alan are the ones to be inaugurated.
1. Dire Straits and Bon Jovi are not 'cool'.
2. They probably know Mark wouldn't play live at the ceremony with Alan or David.
3. They surely know Mark couldn't care less...
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Post by: Eddie Fox on October 05, 2017, 03:06:12 PM
Post by: Jules on October 05, 2017, 05:20:33 PM
Dire Straits are MK and John Illsey. Alan, Guy and the rest were hired musicians.
If DS are in this hall of fame and they have to play, it would be MK, John and others, probably Guy, Robbie, Ian, Nigel and it's needed, other keyboard player, but for just a short gig, I doubt it.
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 05, 2017, 05:39:54 PM
In case Mark accepts the induction and performs I'm positively sure they'll do it together but... that's also the very reason why I'm positively sure there'd be no live performance.
Post by: Jules on October 05, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 05, 2017, 06:00:24 PM
Post by: AMARKINTIME on October 05, 2017, 06:37:12 PM
;D
Post by: Jules on October 05, 2017, 06:56:16 PM
Yes, but the other guys weren't there. Just imagine how awkward that would be. That's supposed to be a celebration and Mark would end up looking like a spoilt tyrant who can't let resentments go. No, please...
That's what it is.
The other guys are musicians that if DS would came back, won't be in the band anyway.
By the way, let's vote
https://www.rockhall.com/fan-vote/2018-fan-vote?_ga=2.232843992.71407676.1507219134-1283432469.1507219134
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 05, 2017, 07:04:30 PM
Yes, but the other guys weren't there. Just imagine how awkward that would be. That's supposed to be a celebration and Mark would end up looking like a spoilt tyrant who can't let resentments go. No, please...
That's what it is.
The other guys are musicians that if DS would came back, won't be in the band anyway.
By the way, let's vote
https://www.rockhall.com/fan-vote/2018-fan-vote?_ga=2.232843992.71407676.1507219134-1283432469.1507219134
I just did... but yeah, don't see that happening. I'd rather see other artists performing DS songs than that kind of public embarrassment.
Post by: Jules on October 05, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 05, 2017, 07:38:35 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 05, 2017, 07:55:40 PM
Ace Frehley:
"I don't think KISS fans are gonna be too excited and happy about the news, 'cause at this juncture, [KISS leaders] Paul [Stanley] and Gene [Simmons] have decided to perform with [current KISS members] Tommy [Thayer, guitar] and Eric [Singer, drums], and it looks like the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is going along with it,".
But note that the 'replacements' are also band members. Not inducted though...
Post by: cannibals on October 05, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
Meaning on how the RRHOF works.. Guy for sure is not on speaking terms on this subject.
Perhaps he should just stick with tour and recording diaries and leave the questions for what it is..
He almost never gives a straight answer. Teasing us with some kind of new secret project for more than one year now. What's the fun in his forum if you can/have notthing to say. What i'm trying to say is that i'm having enough of his forum.......
Post by: quizzaciously on October 05, 2017, 08:11:38 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on October 05, 2017, 08:14:09 PM
What i'm trying to say is that i'm having enough of his forum.......
Yeah, too many taboo topics on Guy's forum. I know he won't answer 99% of my questions so I don't even bother to ask.
Post by: primi on October 05, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Several questions on Guy's forum about this. He replies on one by saying: it's a mystery to me....Ah, but you're wrong. They will be playing Private Investigations but he just can't say it straight!
Meaning on how the RRHOF works.. Guy for sure is not on speaking terms on this subject.
Post by: rmarques821 on October 05, 2017, 10:38:10 PM
Post by: cannibals on October 05, 2017, 11:26:15 PM
http://www.markknopfler.com/rock-roll-hall-of-fame/
They even send an email about it! ;)
Post by: straitsway75 on October 06, 2017, 09:29:09 AM
DS (16000 votes) second after Bon Jovi (25000 votes)
Anyone know how many artists will inductees in 2018?
Bye
Post by: Jules on October 06, 2017, 10:13:05 AM
I did it ;D
Post by: Kris-b on October 06, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
Post by: cannibals on October 06, 2017, 02:57:50 PM
I voted last night
DS (16000 votes) second after Bon Jovi (25000 votes)
Anyone know how many artists will inductees in 2018?
Bye
5, correct me if i am wrong
Post by: Hoops McCann on October 06, 2017, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 06, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
I voted last night
DS (16000 votes) second after Bon Jovi (25000 votes)
Anyone know how many artists will inductees in 2018?
Bye
The number is 5, but fan voting is almost symbolic.
Post by: rmarques821 on October 06, 2017, 08:07:54 PM
It's nice and all but Mark is up to far more classier efforts these days. I also think a DS reunion at this point would be cringeworthy. Yikes.
There's nothing cringeworthy about playing one or two songs with John, Pick, Guy and maybe David...It's not like he has to play all those crazy fast licks like he used to back in the day, or play long progressive songs like Telegraph Road. Just get there and do Brothers in Arms or another hit he can actually play and that's it.
I would not like a full reunion tour, but I'd be happy to see them play just once again for one last time.
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 06, 2017, 08:14:30 PM
It's nice and all but Mark is up to far more classier efforts these days. I also think a DS reunion at this point would be cringeworthy. Yikes.
There's nothing cringeworthy about playing one or two songs with John, Pick, Guy and maybe David...It's not like he has to play all those crazy fast licks like he used to back in the day, or play long progressive songs like Telegraph Road. Just get there and do Brothers in Arms or another hit he can actually play and that's it.
I would not like a full reunion tour, but I'd be happy to see them play just once again for one last time.
I really don't know if I'd like to see Mark play with Alan again, but if it comes to that that's because Mark is ok with that then why should not I be too.
Post by: BrianT on October 06, 2017, 10:20:26 PM
Will be back tomorrow
Brian
Post by: playhurt4 on October 07, 2017, 06:22:24 PM
Mark
Post by: cannibals on October 07, 2017, 07:12:49 PM
I voted last night
DS (16000 votes) second after Bon Jovi (25000 votes)
Anyone know how many artists will inductees in 2018?
Bye
The number is 5, but fan voting is almost symbolic.
Than why they do fan voting?
Post by: dmg on October 07, 2017, 07:28:22 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 07, 2017, 08:06:19 PM
I voted last night
DS (16000 votes) second after Bon Jovi (25000 votes)
Anyone know how many artists will inductees in 2018?
Bye
The number is 5, but fan voting is almost symbolic.
Than why they do fan voting?
To seem nice I guess. Some 800 'experts' are the ones who do decide.
Post by: straitsway75 on October 07, 2017, 08:57:30 PM
bjovi 89519
ds 62421
mblues 58183
DS should have been in the R'n'R Hall of Fame years ago if it had any real meaning or even credibility. I have no respect for it or even interest when I look at some who are there when DS isn't and therefore feel it would be hypocritical to vote. I doubt very much that Mark will mind either. Sorry folks.
I think like you, but I think also that name of 'our favourite band' must be in :thumbsup
Post by: Kris-b on October 08, 2017, 08:14:54 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on October 08, 2017, 02:07:02 PM
Moody Blues are coming closer, DS 67807, MB 65348, so keep on voting everybody!
Now this that you would call "an underrated band". DS barely wins over Bon Jovi and Moody Blues. Kinda... sad actually.
Post by: Love Expresso on October 08, 2017, 02:07:13 PM
(Edited)
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Post by: Eddie Fox on October 09, 2017, 01:45:51 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on October 09, 2017, 02:05:44 PM
Am I the only one around here who had no clue who or what moody blues was before like... yesterday?
They're good, but I'm surprised that DS is on the 3rd place already. Even with THAT name it's not a 100% win situation.
I bet if there was "Sultans Of Swing" instead of "Dire Straits" in the poll, it would win with 999999-vote vote margin :lol
Post by: quizzaciously on October 09, 2017, 02:38:19 PM
OMG, should fans stop listening DS material then? The question that always pops in my head when I read these statements by Guy.
Even Mark would never tell it as if all that he was doing before is nothing and he look only forward. Strange view on things...
Post by: Jules on October 09, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Am I the only one around here who had no clue who or what moody blues was before like... yesterday?
They're good, but I'm surprised that DS is on the 3rd place already. Even with THAT name it's not a 100% win situation.
I bet if there was "Sultans Of Swing" instead of "Dire Straits" in the poll, it would win with 999999-vote vote margin :lol
Nights in white satin
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 09, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
Guy on his forum: "It's always nice to be commended for work done 30 years ago but what I/we are doing now is far more interesting."
OMG, should fans stop listening DS material then? The question that always pops in my head when I read these statements by Guy.
Even Mark would never tell it as if all that he was doing before is nothing and he look only forward. Strange view on things...
Guy needs to understand that now in that sense only exists due to what was done 30 years ago.
Without the past Mark wouldn't have the fans nor the resources he has.
He can say whatever he wants about the nomination and the institution that handles the process but he doesn't need to look down upon DS in order to do so. That's so tiny.
Post by: dmg on October 09, 2017, 11:11:57 PM
Guy on his forum: "It's always nice to be commended for work done 30 years ago but what I/we are doing now is far more interesting."
OMG, should fans stop listening DS material then? The question that always pops in my head when I read these statements by Guy.
Even Mark would never tell it as if all that he was doing before is nothing and he look only forward. Strange view on things...
Very strange I agree. I mean Privateering is old news now so should we already be ignoring that? And when the new one comes out in 2019 (to celebrate a milestone birthday) should we put our Tracker super deluxe versions in the bin because it is no longer "interesting?"
If you are reading this Guy let me tell you that I for one find 99% of DS material considerably more interesting than the stuff being churned out by your boss today. DS music is timeless and frankly I find it insulting that you tell me the soundtrack I grew up listening to is now not relevant, just because you are involved in these new projects and want to promote them as best you can.
"Best album ever...best tour ever." These phrases just don't cut it with me and the more you say them the more I think you are really trying to convince yourself it's actually true!
Sorry for the little rant but Guy gets my goat sometimes.
Post by: vgonis on October 09, 2017, 11:46:07 PM
I think what Guy means is that as a participant in the creation, the old material bring little joy to the creators, simply because they have come full circle.
The creative phase is an ongoing effort. And they enjoy the new, yet to be created material, because it is challenging and give them reason to carry on.
As a listener, it is a completely different thing. Recorded music is timeless and new to people that listen to it for the first time even if it was recorded 130 years ago on wax.
And I think that MK has said a similar thing and he tries to please his audience by playing older songs, because he understands the difference.
Post by: asouza on October 10, 2017, 02:22:47 AM
Guy on his forum: "It's always nice to be commended for work done 30 years ago but what I/we are doing now is far more interesting."
OMG, should fans stop listening DS material then? The question that always pops in my head when I read these statements by Guy.
Even Mark would never tell it as if all that he was doing before is nothing and he look only forward. Strange view on things...
Very strange I agree. I mean Privateering is old news now so should we already be ignoring that? And when the new one comes out in 2019 (to celebrate a milestone birthday) should we put our Tracker super deluxe versions in the bin because it is no longer "interesting?"
If you are reading this Guy let me tell you that I for one find 99% of DS material considerably more interesting than the stuff being churned out by your boss today. DS music is timeless and frankly I find it insulting that you tell me the soundtrack I grew up listening to is now not relevant, just because you are involved in these new projects and want to promote them as best you can.
"Best album ever...best tour ever." These phrases just don't cut it with me and the more you say them the more I think you are really trying to convince yourself it's actually true!
Sorry for the little rant but Guy gets my goat sometimes.
My opinion too.
Post by: asouza on October 10, 2017, 03:32:05 AM
"Please note that voting is capped. You can make 5 votes each day but you cannot vote for the same act more than once a day.
VOTE VOTE VOTE ... PLEASE KEEP VOTING,
TODAY, TOMORROW, EVERYDAY !"
Looks like somebody in oficial site have a growing interest in case!
Post by: Love Expresso on October 10, 2017, 08:25:51 AM
I was literally shaking my head reading Guy's line that recent work should be more interesting than working on those timeless masterpieces from 1978 to 1991... all of them.
The result should be more important than the working process, it seems he or they forgot about that...
LE
Post by: Jules on October 10, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
It's a curious way to look forward.
Rock and roll hall of fame is something I never care about, but I recognize than my "fan ego" would like to see them inducted, just to read/hear in the media about DS again.
Post by: cannibals on October 10, 2017, 08:43:37 AM
Post by: Vesper on October 10, 2017, 09:20:14 AM
Rock and roll hall of fame is something I never care about, but I recognize than my "fan ego" would like to see them inducted, just to read/hear in the media about DS again.
This :thumbsup
Post by: straitsway75 on October 10, 2017, 12:21:33 PM
Rock and roll hall of fame is something I never care about, but I recognize than my "fan ego" would like to see them inducted, just to read/hear in the media about DS again.
This :thumbsup
:thumbsup
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 10, 2017, 04:11:15 PM
I must say I agree with dmg as I was trying to post something similar.... In my opinion, ever since they started working at British Grove in 2007 and made themselves bound to this place more and more, they exactly started to become those "boring old farts" Guy was once joking about himself.. too much time, too many guitars, far too many microphones, but too little inspiration.
I was literally shaking my head reading Guy's line that recent work should be more interesting than working on those timeless masterpieces from 1978 to 1991... all of them.
The result should be more important than the working process, it seems he or they forgot about that...
LE
Funny thing, those very timeless masterpieces from 1978 to 1991 paid for British Grove. Guy loves vintage equipment and music but belittles Dire Straits. If I could say something to him that would be 'thank Dire Straits everyday - including the lineups you were not part of - for your Porsche, your windsurf boards and trips, your mortgage, your home studio and the awesome job you have because none of those would exist without Sultans of Swing, Tunnel of Love, Romeo and Juliet, Money for Nothing and Brothers in Arms'.
Post by: vgonis on October 10, 2017, 08:52:06 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 10, 2017, 11:06:13 PM
What "annoy" me about this is the "we always look forward" but when they go on tour like in 2015, they copied and pasted the 2013 tour leaving some songs out to give room to some Tracker ones, and when adding "new songs" to the set as it progress, what they add are old Dire Straits songs instead of MK ones...Excellent point. And the 2013 tour was a cut and paste of 2010!
It's a curious way to look forward.
Rock and roll hall of fame is something I never care about, but I recognize than my "fan ego" would like to see them inducted, just to read/hear in the media about DS again.
Other than the travel and meeting fellow AMIT members the tours are very boring these days.
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Post by: Vesper on October 12, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
Post by: Jules on October 12, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/induction-process
That means that even DS are between the 5 more voted by fans, if the other 900 experts voting don't vote them, DS won't be inducted even they were on number one in fans vote.
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 12, 2017, 03:44:46 PM
It doesn't matter anyway. This fans vote will count as just one vote together with the another 900 individual votes from experts etc
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/induction-process
That means that even DS are between the 5 more voted by fans, if the other 900 experts voting don't vote them, DS won't be inducted even they were on number one in fans vote.
And just in case anyone still needs any further proof this circus deserves no credit just click on the link above. When Greenday is already in and Dire Straits had never even been nominated prior to this year's you know something is very wrong. And make no mistake, for some weird reason critics love Radiohead, their spot is granted, only four seats are available.
Post by: vgonis on October 12, 2017, 09:43:46 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 14, 2017, 04:53:52 PM
Post by: vgonis on October 14, 2017, 11:05:28 PM
As for Rob, I find it that being truthful (no question about it) is harsh. And we are not talking here about human lives, we are supposed to be talking about music, art. When you downgrade it to an artful product and then have expectations on another person's lives, I think the balance between the two is lost and with it the real weight of the whole matter.
Simply put, why it means so much to all these people, the Hall of fame. Would they enjoy the music less if they fail, or if they don't show up? I say, a Hall of fame member, might charge 200 $ more, for the next concerts. Does this make any sense? No. They are completely different things. Why mix them up all together?
And if you don't like the last albums as much, (we all like DS more, I believe) well why connect this with the Hall of fame?
My sincere thoughts, no disrespect.
Post by: dmg on October 14, 2017, 11:13:48 PM
Stephen and Rob nailed it on Guy's forum. Are they AMIT members? It's hard to tell since pretty much everyone uses nicknames here. In case they are, hats off to you, guys.
Certainly seemed to annoy Guy to the extent he answered back in capital letters! :lol
Post by: cannibals on November 06, 2017, 01:12:24 PM
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Post by: Eddie Fox on November 06, 2017, 03:05:11 PM
Post by: Jules on November 06, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
Nights in white satin is a classic!!!!!
https://youtu.be/v3jJpGw_K2Y
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 07, 2017, 01:13:42 PM
Really?
Nights in white satin is a classic!!!!!
https://youtu.be/v3jJpGw_K2Y
Beautiful tune indeed, I'd never heard it. I'm familiar with lots of obscure stuff but apparently I have overlooked something big here.
Post by: Robson on November 07, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 07, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
Post by: Robson on November 07, 2017, 01:47:20 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 07, 2017, 01:49:19 PM
I understand The Moody Blues but Bon Jovi is higher than the DS. Noooo
The Moody Blues deserve to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. They should have been there a long time ago. Bon Jovi are American, so there would be more votes for them than DS, but they deserve to be in there too. :)
Yeah, I thought if you slap "Dire Straits" name on anything it will win anything, it will be sold and will have a million views. To me this quiz shows that resurrecting DS is a completely useless idea in any way — spiritually, economically, historically, and turns out that even fame-wise.
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 07, 2017, 02:33:23 PM
I'm sure lots of people who vote online and are not DS fans get surprised when they see the name there. Not because DS don't deserve to be nominated but because DS would have been inducted already :hmm
Post by: asouza on November 07, 2017, 10:41:22 PM
Post by: Darling Pretty on November 07, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
Dire Straits are 25 years away.
A bit late to nominate them.
20 years too late
anyhow, it would be cool to see them there because they fu***ing belong there
They are Rock'n'Roll
Milano 81: Please welcome to greatest Rock n Roll Band in the World: Please welcome Dire Straits
Post by: Robson on November 07, 2017, 11:33:57 PM
Exactly.
Post by: dmg on November 08, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
"Bon Jovi and Moody Blues yet in activity; Dire Straits disbanded in 95. For a band that does not in activity, third is a excellent position"
Exactly.
This is partly my problem. DS should have been inducted back then and not now. If they wait much longer they will be inducted posthumously! Another part of me thinks that I don't really care what other people think and why should they be in the same company as some of the junk that is there already. Then there is the very likelihood that Mark himself will not like this.
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 08, 2017, 01:40:53 PM
"Bon Jovi and Moody Blues yet in activity; Dire Straits disbanded in 95. For a band that does not in activity, third is a excellent position"
Exactly.
This is partly my problem. DS should have been inducted back then and not now. If they wait much longer they will be inducted posthumously! Another part of me thinks that I don't really care what other people think and why should they be in the same company as some of the junk that is there already. Then there is the very likelihood that Mark himself will not like this.
Most artists that have been inducted fully deserve to be there, but man... Green Day? Really? Hip hop "bands"? WTH?? And now Radiohead?? Radiohead??? I don't know if I want to see Mark standing next to those pretentious punks. I mean, once you get nominated it's better to make the cut and get in but no need to attend.
Post by: Jules on November 08, 2017, 05:19:54 PM
It follows the logical.
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 09, 2017, 01:35:39 PM
Post by: Jules on December 04, 2017, 01:25:58 PM
https://www.rockhall.com/fan-vote/2018-fan-vote (https://www.rockhall.com/fan-vote/2018-fan-vote)
DS are still on number three position but maybe we could give it a little push, just in case. For the ballot fans, until the five more voted will be chosen,so I guess DS are safe to be in that fan ballot but... just in case!
Post by: Jules on December 04, 2017, 01:28:06 PM
"Bon Jovi and Moody Blues yet in activity; Dire Straits disbanded in 95. For a band that does not in activity, third is a excellent position"
Exactly.
This is partly my problem. DS should have been inducted back then and not now. If they wait much longer they will be inducted posthumously! Another part of me thinks that I don't really care what other people think and why should they be in the same company as some of the junk that is there already. Then there is the very likelihood that Mark himself will not like this.
I think I've read that they are elegible from 2003, I don't know why, and I don't know why if they were eligible from 2003, why they weren't until this year...
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 05, 2017, 05:46:06 PM
"Bon Jovi and Moody Blues yet in activity; Dire Straits disbanded in 95. For a band that does not in activity, third is a excellent position"
Exactly.
This is partly my problem. DS should have been inducted back then and not now. If they wait much longer they will be inducted posthumously! Another part of me thinks that I don't really care what other people think and why should they be in the same company as some of the junk that is there already. Then there is the very likelihood that Mark himself will not like this.
I think I've read that they are elegible from 2003, I don't know why, and I don't know why if they were eligible from 2003, why they weren't until this year...
Pretty simple, Dire Straits is ‘uncool’. It makes you look good saying Radiohead or Neil Young is cool but try mentioning Dire Straits in front of a smartass critic.
As a person who loves movies I’m experiencing that right now with this director called Taika Waititi, from New Zealand. His movies are pretty dumb and visually flat but he’s ‘cool’, critics love him. If you wanna be accepted just say ‘Taika is a genius’. Go figure.
Post by: cannibals on December 06, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR 2018 FAN VOTE WINNERS:
Bon Jovi
Moody Blues
Dire Straits
The Cars
Judas Priest
Thank you fans for showing your support and voting! Each of the Fan Vote winners will receive an extra vote in the Official Vote. We'll be announcing the official Class of 2018 Inductees on Wednesday, December 13 at 7 a.m. ET. Tune in with us and SiriusXM Volume (channel 106) and hear the news. Scroll down to see the Fan Vote results.
Post by: knopflertom on December 07, 2017, 09:16:00 PM
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Post by: Eddie Fox on December 10, 2017, 12:36:58 AM
Loved David’s answer. In fact he’s the only one there who’s got the right to say anything about it.
Post by: Pottel on December 10, 2017, 01:29:23 AM
I look at Terry saying no and I wonder if he thinks he would be consulted lolLol
Loved David’s answer. In fact he’s the only one there who’s got the right to say anything about it.
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Post by: Lis on December 11, 2017, 03:28:19 AM
Loved David’s answer. In fact he’s the only one there who’s got the right to say anything about it.:thumbsup
Post by: dmg on December 11, 2017, 02:41:09 PM
I look at Terry saying no and I wonder if he thinks he would be consulted lol
Loved David’s answer. In fact he’s the only one there who’s got the right to say anything about it.
Thinking about it, who would be consulted? Mark and John and...well, that's it really. The rest were either only there at the start or hired and fired. It was always Mark's band. David has ideas above his station - he simply wasn't/isn't good enough.
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 11, 2017, 03:19:32 PM
I look at Terry saying no and I wonder if he thinks he would be consulted lol
Loved David’s answer. In fact he’s the only one there who’s got the right to say anything about it.
Thinking about it, who would be consulted? Mark and John and...well, that's it really. The rest were either only there at the start or hired and fired. It was always Mark's band. David has ideas above his station - he simply wasn't/isn't good enough.
I agree with you. When I say David has the right to say something I don't mean he would or should be consulted. I just think that as an original member and being the guy who put the band together he's above Alan or any other musician who's ever been part of DS in some capacity - apart from Mark and John obviously. And his answer was pretty classy. David is a very intelligent individual. I don't agree with most of what he says on his fb page but still, very educated and fluent man.
Post by: Jules on December 11, 2017, 03:37:53 PM
I foresee DK and Alan playing Wild west end at the ceremony as all the rest decline to attend.
And people in Amit will peste about them until kingdom come.
Bets?
Post by: quizzaciously on December 11, 2017, 03:54:38 PM
I can see the future...
I foresee DK and Alan playing Wild west end at the ceremony as all the rest decline to attend.
And people in Amit will peste about them until kingdom come.
Bets?
I think in such a "great" atmosphere where everybody won't talk with anybody and people slamming each other in songs there'll be no performance at all and who's going to collect the award? I don't know. DS = MK so maybe he should collect it, but so many people thinks DS ≠ MK apparently... That we have what we have.
Post by: rmarques821 on December 11, 2017, 04:01:41 PM
So: Mark, John, Guy, David and Pick(?)
Nobody cares about Alan anyway. I've always liked David, he's a good musician and it seems like he has let his resentments with Mark go as time went by.
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Post by: Eddie Fox on December 11, 2017, 04:43:54 PM
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Post by: knopflertom on December 12, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
Call me crazy, but for some reason I can see David and Mark perform together again. But I don't think he would play with Alan at all.
So: Mark, John, Guy, David and Pick(?)
Nobody cares about Alan anyway. I've always liked David, he's a good musician and it seems like he has let his resentments with Mark go as time went by.
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Sorry for the offtpic, but could someone please tell me why MK and AC aren't friends anymore or even 'enemies'?
Post by: the visitor on December 12, 2017, 08:12:28 PM
AC has not been involved in any solo MK project or even the DS charity shows in 2002 ish w
Terminal of Tribute to appears to be a direct lyrical shot at "tribute bands" and some pretty direct words to someone who could be Alan Clark
I can't see anything more substantive than that but there is a lot of speculation. I've never heard Alan talk ill of MK in an interview, though he is full of himself when talking about his capabilities.
Post by: JF on December 12, 2017, 09:28:35 PM
AC has not been involved in any solo MK project or even the DS charity shows in 2002 ish w
I know it isn't really "solo MK project", but Alan played on NHB's Swan hunter in 1993, and on MK's guitar masterclass CIRCA 1998 I guess ?
Does this mean that at that time, they were still "friends" (at least in touch) ?
Post by: quizzaciously on December 12, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
AC has not been involved in any solo MK project or even the DS charity shows in 2002 ish w
I know it isn't really "solo MK project", but Alan played on NHB's Swan hunter in 1993, and on MK's guitar masterclass CIRCA 1998 I guess ?
Does this mean that at that time, they were still "friends" (at least in touch) ?
Mark said he works with Guy, because they haven't had a single argument... Translation: Guy does what Mark wants and he's in business. Apparently, if your opinion is different while working with MK you end up working
You can't compose something together without a battle, so I'm pretty sure Clark and Mark had some arguments in the process which resulted in epic songs in the 80s, but now it results in one guy slamming other in lyrics. Also creative battle, but on different sides.
Post by: dustyvalentino on December 12, 2017, 10:38:26 PM
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Post by: ds1984 on December 12, 2017, 11:25:46 PM
Seem to recall AC also played with MK at the launch of Shearer's Bar, 2005.
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Yes, they performed "Going Home" (as they already did for a MK masterclass by the past) and if my memory is correct, this is their last public appearance together.
Post by: ds1984 on December 12, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
A decade earlier I would have dreamed to witness the original four piece appearing on stage and then addities members (Alan, Guy, Chris) for the next songs.
Post by: rmarques821 on December 12, 2017, 11:49:24 PM
My main problem is now Mark doesn't seem to be able to properly play the old stuff, the required energy is gone (just watch Rockpalast '79 - and that is even not their best night).Even by 2007 Mark's speed and agility was gone and he couldn't play like he used to. It would be painful to watch him have a go at In The Gallery or Down To The Waterline now.
A decade earlier I would have dreamed to witness the original four piece appearing on stage and then addities members (Alan, Guy, Chris) for the next songs.
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Post by: cannibals on December 13, 2017, 10:13:28 AM
Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
We'll be announcing the official Class of 2018 Inductees on Wednesday, December 13 at 7 a.m. ET. Tune in with us and SiriusXM Volume (channel 106) and hear the news.
Post by: Dutchessy on December 13, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
If I understood the timing correctly, the announcement will be today in one hour and twenty minutes... In a radio station!
We'll be announcing the official Class of 2018 Inductees on Wednesday, December 13 at 7 a.m. ET. Tune in with us and SiriusXM Volume (channel 106) and hear the news.
13.00 Netherlands time, so 45min left.
Post by: flinn75 on December 13, 2017, 01:07:03 PM
:D So let‘s See what will Happen... Congratulations!
Post by: cannibals on December 13, 2017, 01:07:39 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 13, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
Again, I think Mark is above this bs but it's a nice to have. If the outcome is a little reunion, especially if David is in and Alan is out, it will be worth it. I won't dare say it ain't gonna happen cos I said DS wouldn't be inducted and look at where we are sitting now but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still, congratulating Guy and begging for it now! :lol :lol :lol
Post by: superval99 on December 13, 2017, 01:26:23 PM
Post by: Millionaire Blues on December 13, 2017, 01:49:51 PM
Be interesting who turns up for the award if anyone...
MB
Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 01:50:30 PM
Mk is going to refuse attend the induction ceremony in April due to agenda problems.
You'll see ;D
Post by: quizzaciously on December 13, 2017, 02:14:11 PM
Did I told you that I can see the future?
Mk is going to refuse attend the induction ceremony in April due to agenda problems.
You'll see ;D
Lol awards in creative industries generally make no sense. If I were MK, I'd avoid this thing... And get an award "The most badass HoF inductee 2018".
Post by: dmg on December 13, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Awards are just popularity contests. Why do you think ABBA are there before DS? Because they're better?
Post by: cannibals on December 13, 2017, 02:34:11 PM
Did I told you that I can see the future?
Mk is going to refuse attend the induction ceremony in April due to agenda problems.
You'll see ;D
They are planning a tour for april in Australia asap ;D
Post by: Vesper on December 13, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bon-jovi-dire-straits-the-cars-lead-hall-of-fame-class-w513945
I like this. The way RS writing the acknowledgement of Mark being the boss and DS hasn't performed in any incarnation since 1992
Post by: allen on December 13, 2017, 03:13:26 PM
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Post by: Vesper on December 13, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/arts/music/rock-roll-hall-fame-bon-jovi-nina-simone-cars.html
This will be fun to watch
Post by: JF on December 13, 2017, 03:32:27 PM
https://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/musique/rock/redecouvrir-dire-straits-l-un-des-groupes-intronises-au-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fame-266829 (https://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/musique/rock/redecouvrir-dire-straits-l-un-des-groupes-intronises-au-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fame-266829)
I'm glad for this, and I have a (very little) hope that it will give us a surprise
Post by: quizzaciously on December 13, 2017, 03:34:09 PM
Mr. Bon Jovi said he was looking forward to the ceremony, though he was not aware that all the groups present traditionally participate in an all-star jam at the end.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/arts/music/rock-roll-hall-fame-bon-jovi-nina-simone-cars.html
This will be fun to watch
I'm looking forward to Nina Simone's performance.
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 13, 2017, 03:52:49 PM
Mr. Bon Jovi said he was looking forward to the ceremony, though he was not aware that all the groups present traditionally participate in an all-star jam at the end.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/arts/music/rock-roll-hall-fame-bon-jovi-nina-simone-cars.html
This will be fun to watch
I'm looking forward to Nina Simone's performance.
Don't even say that again, mate! It sounds like you want to meet her you know where! Seriously lol
Post by: Pottel on December 13, 2017, 03:57:43 PM
Pleased for everyone on here for whom it mattered, but personally I still couldn't give a toss.Don't you go dissin' abba boy!
Awards are just popularity contests. Why do you think ABBA are there before DS? Because they're better?
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Post by: Pottel on December 13, 2017, 03:58:22 PM
Congrats to all member of DS over the years!!MB! Long time no see!
Be interesting who turns up for the award if anyone...
MB
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Post by: Pottel on December 13, 2017, 04:01:12 PM
Wow, now I'm pleasantly surprised, didn't see it coming. If you asked me I'd have come up with exactly the same names but never expected the hall of fame to pick them. Maybe Bon Jovi and Nina Simone, but for the others I really thought they were going for Rage Against the Machine, Judas Priest and Radiohead.Was Allan ever an official DS member?
Again, I think Mark is above this bs but it's a nice to have. If the outcome is a little reunion, especially if David is in and Alan is out, it will be worth it. I won't dare say it ain't gonna happen cos I said DS wouldn't be inducted and look at where we are sitting now but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still, congratulating Guy and begging for it now!
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Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 04:12:56 PM
Wow, now I'm pleasantly surprised, didn't see it coming. If you asked me I'd have come up with exactly the same names but never expected the hall of fame to pick them. Maybe Bon Jovi and Nina Simone, but for the others I really thought they were going for Rage Against the Machine, Judas Priest and Radiohead.Was Allan ever an official DS member?
Again, I think Mark is above this bs but it's a nice to have. If the outcome is a little reunion, especially if David is in and Alan is out, it will be worth it. I won't dare say it ain't gonna happen cos I said DS wouldn't be inducted and look at where we are sitting now but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still, congratulating Guy and begging for it now!
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According OES, yes.
But no.
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 13, 2017, 04:15:50 PM
Wow, now I'm pleasantly surprised, didn't see it coming. If you asked me I'd have come up with exactly the same names but never expected the hall of fame to pick them. Maybe Bon Jovi and Nina Simone, but for the others I really thought they were going for Rage Against the Machine, Judas Priest and Radiohead.Was Allan ever an official DS member?
Again, I think Mark is above this bs but it's a nice to have. If the outcome is a little reunion, especially if David is in and Alan is out, it will be worth it. I won't dare say it ain't gonna happen cos I said DS wouldn't be inducted and look at where we are sitting now but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still, congratulating Guy and begging for it now!
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He's credited as an official member in every album he played on and also on the hall of fame website. Looks like he will be receiving an invitation.
Post by: quizzaciously on December 13, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
He's credited as an official member in every album he played on and also on the hall of fame website. Looks like he will be receiving an invitation.
He will receive the award. After that all the credits where he was a contributor will change to Knoplfler/Clark. And then... he'll wake up.
Post by: Pottel on December 13, 2017, 04:20:59 PM
I thought it is mark, guy, John? Company wiseWow, now I'm pleasantly surprised, didn't see it coming. If you asked me I'd have come up with exactly the same names but never expected the hall of fame to pick them. Maybe Bon Jovi and Nina Simone, but for the others I really thought they were going for Rage Against the Machine, Judas Priest and Radiohead.Was Allan ever an official DS member?
Again, I think Mark is above this bs but it's a nice to have. If the outcome is a little reunion, especially if David is in and Alan is out, it will be worth it. I won't dare say it ain't gonna happen cos I said DS wouldn't be inducted and look at where we are sitting now but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still, congratulating Guy and begging for it now!
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According OES, yes.
But no.
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Post by: Eddie Fox on December 13, 2017, 04:24:17 PM
He's credited as an official member in every album he played on and also on the hall of fame website. Looks like he will be receiving an invitation.
He will receive the award. After that all the credits where he was a contributor will change to Knoplfler/Clark. And then... he'll wake up.
To be honest I do think he deserves the award, he was a very important part of the DS sound, perhaps the second most important part. That being said, after the legacy event I don't think he deserves to perform at the cerimony. Grab your award and go back to your seat.
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 13, 2017, 04:28:57 PM
I thought it is mark, guy, John? Company wiseWow, now I'm pleasantly surprised, didn't see it coming. If you asked me I'd have come up with exactly the same names but never expected the hall of fame to pick them. Maybe Bon Jovi and Nina Simone, but for the others I really thought they were going for Rage Against the Machine, Judas Priest and Radiohead.Was Allan ever an official DS member?
Again, I think Mark is above this bs but it's a nice to have. If the outcome is a little reunion, especially if David is in and Alan is out, it will be worth it. I won't dare say it ain't gonna happen cos I said DS wouldn't be inducted and look at where we are sitting now but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still, congratulating Guy and begging for it now!
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According OES, yes.
But no.
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Dire Straits belongs to Mark and John legally speaking but that doesn't define who's a member and who isn't me thinks. Apparently it all comes down to who has been an official member throughout the band's existence and I'm pretty sure Alan was one at some point.
Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
When OES was released, it was agreed that it will be reflected that also Alan and Guy, as oldest members, were part of DS, and the record production was credited to the four of them that way, but DS overseas was formed just by MK and John.
Funnily, Ed Bicknell was featured in DS overseas as well until he left MK in 2000.
Post by: Pottel on December 13, 2017, 06:03:36 PM
It's complicate. Since the beginning DS were Mk, John, David and Pick. When David left, DS were MK, JI and PW with Alan and Hal under contract. When Pick left, there were Mk and John as DS and all the rest were under contract.So we can assume guy gets full royalties as a band member for those albums?
When OES was released, it was agreed that it will be reflected that also Alan and Guy, as oldest members, were part of DS, and the record production was credited to the four of them that way, but DS overseas was formed just by MK and John.
Funnily, Ed Bicknell was featured in DS overseas as well until he left MK in 2000.
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Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Alan gets royalties just for OES as producer.
David and Pick got royalties, at least in the past, for the records in which they played as full members of the band. After their departure, there were just two full band members, mk and John.
The OES tour costed a lot of money, that was paid by DS overseas (mk, John and ed) and they assumed a financial risk. The rest ( including Alan and Guy) got paid the same despite the tour generates benefits or debts.
I guess that Alan and Guy got paid more than the rest of musicians, as they were at least three levels economically, the first were DS overseas, the second Alan and Guy ( they were the other two DS...) and the third step, the rest of musicians.
I'm sure that everything is even more complicated than this...
Post by: border_reiver on December 13, 2017, 06:45:50 PM
This joke has been going on far too long.
If MK declines to perform, will Legacy get the call? ;D
Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
It would be even possible that David and Alan play together any of the DS first record songs, as they already did during last David tour celebrating the 40th anniversary of his musical career.
Post by: vgonis on December 13, 2017, 07:45:17 PM
Pleased for everyone on here for whom it mattered, but personally I still couldn't give a toss.Well you can't compare the two, but if you imply they are no good, i have to respectfully disagree. Their songs are indeed pop masterpieces.
Awards are just popularity contests. Why do you think ABBA are there before DS? Because they're better?
Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
Nina Simone and Sister Rosetha were not popular in the fans votes, I'm glad the experts choose them.
Post by: Pottel on December 13, 2017, 08:37:05 PM
When I voted, I always voted Nina Simone and Sister Rosetha as the other selections, together with Kate Bush and Depeche Mode (and DS if course).Well done
Nina Simone and Sister Rosetha were not popular in the fans votes, I'm glad the experts choose them.
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Post by: Love Expresso on December 13, 2017, 08:47:52 PM
Pleased for everyone on here for whom it mattered, but personally I still couldn't give a toss.Well you can't compare the two, but if you imply they are no good, i have to respectfully disagree. Their songs are indeed pop masterpieces.
Awards are just popularity contests. Why do you think ABBA are there before DS? Because they're better?
ABBA produced a lot of timeless masterpieces of a great musical quality combined with immense popularity. I am afraid to say that ABBA's place in music history from my point of view has to be judged much higher than DS/MK's output. It's always only "that" guitar and a polite "He is a great songwriter", but emotionally ABBA means so much more to so much many more people. I btw always loved them..
LE
Post by: the visitor on December 13, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
Post by: Jules on December 13, 2017, 09:34:45 PM
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8070419/dire-straits-rock-hall-reunion
Very very interesting.
Post by: Robson on December 13, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on December 13, 2017, 10:44:42 PM
Abba are a better band than DS.
Unlikely they will perform. MK MIGHT agree if AC is uninvited.
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Post by: ds1984 on December 13, 2017, 11:22:42 PM
Guy gets royalties as producer for OES and OTN.
Alan gets royalties just for OES as producer.
David and Pick got royalties, at least in the past, for the records in which they played as full members of the band. After their departure, there were just two full band members, mk and John.
The OES tour costed a lot of money, that was paid by DS overseas (mk, John and ed) and they assumed a financial risk. The rest ( including Alan and Guy) got paid the same despite the tour generates benefits or debts.
I guess that Alan and Guy got paid more than the rest of musicians, as they were at least three levels economically, the first were DS overseas, the second Alan and Guy ( they were the other two DS...) and the third step, the rest of musicians.
I'm sure that everything is even more complicated than this...
That is more complex. Actually there is things to take in account : the law and the contract.
So speaking of "official" member to determine if or if not is way too restrictive.
One example : when Dire straits was contractually founded, the band revenue were divided in five parts, one for each musician and on for Ed.
That mean the money from gig were earned that way.
Let say the recording contract was done the same and everyboby got some royalties (plus the producer) - 6 person involved
Then David left. The royalties for MM were then for 6 would you think (MK + JI + PW + EB + Jimmy Iovine + Mark Knopfler as co producer)
I would say it depends because Roy Bittan and Sid McGinnis were also playing.
And here it really depends the way they dealed, they could be on a fixed wage or on a percentage :think
I would say that every musician listed on album being part of Dire Straits band got on royalties regardless of their Dire Straits wage status.
Listed "additionnal" musicians I would say fixed wage but when you get someone like Jeff Porcaro playing on you record it can be assumed that he was allowed royalties too if he asked for.
Post by: dmg on December 13, 2017, 11:47:45 PM
Pleased for everyone on here for whom it mattered, but personally I still couldn't give a toss.Well you can't compare the two, but if you imply they are no good, i have to respectfully disagree. Their songs are indeed pop masterpieces.
Awards are just popularity contests. Why do you think ABBA are there before DS? Because they're better?
ABBA produced a lot of timeless masterpieces of a great musical quality combined with immense popularity. I am afraid to say that ABBA's place in music history from my point of view has to be judged much higher than DS/MK's output. It's always only "that" guitar and a polite "He is a great songwriter", but emotionally ABBA means so much more to so much many more people. I btw always loved them..
LE
I DO, I DO, I DO, I DO, I DO
NOT LIKE ABBA
Very good article:
https://isiria.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/i-hate-abba/
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Post by: Jules on December 14, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
I always voted for Nina and SR as well.
Abba are a better band than DS.
Unlikely they will perform. MK MIGHT agree if AC is uninvited.
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Alan is invited, as they are David, Pick and Guy.
I don't think the hall of fame are going to uninvite anyone by mk wishes.
Post by: Jules on December 14, 2017, 08:11:21 AM
This is the part about Alan Clark in the article
Clark, who's now in the band Legacy with several other former Dire Straits members (its debut album, 3 Chord Trick, came out in November), says he's reserving his commitment to attend the ceremony until the group's plans are determined. "I'll go if there's a reason to go, if Mark decides he wants to go and put something together and go and perform there," Clark explains. "Jump back to 1992, the last gig we played in Spain, I said, 'That will be the last gig we ever play.' When people say, 'Will the band ever get back together, I always say no. But will we get together for this? I don't know. I'd be totally into the idea of it happening."
Post by: JF on December 14, 2017, 09:40:08 AM
I also think that only Mark and John will go like for plaque event in Depford
But a little voice in my head says that I have to keep hope for something "special"...
Post by: JF on December 14, 2017, 09:47:04 AM
SR was a very big influence in rock history, and I don't understand why she wasn't inducted a long way before 2018
Although I don't like them, I agree that ABBA had a biggest influence in pop history than DS, but I'd say it's more "disco" than "rock music", although it's always difficult to determine what music is behind the word "rock"
Post by: quizzaciously on December 14, 2017, 11:32:11 AM
I always voted for Nina and SR as well.
Abba are a better band than DS.
Unlikely they will perform. MK MIGHT agree if AC is uninvited.
Still think a concert like Live 8 is MUCH better choice for DS resurrection. Pink Floyd 2005, Dire Straits 20XX, makes sense...
I can't see even 0% of this happening on HoF occasion. Either that or Mark will drop down a few steps in my respectful people list.
Post by: vgonis on December 14, 2017, 12:32:11 PM
I DO, I DO, I DO, I DO, I DO
NOT LIKE ABBA
Very good article:
https://isiria.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/i-hate-abba/
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Of course we won't argue about ABBA or any other artist. Taste in music is rather hard to explain. Maybe some people are allergic to pop songs. However I should note that the article is not good at all. If you remove the direct references to ABBA and the titles of their songs, he could be referring to any big pop band ever existed, dare I say even the Beatles (since he is so keen to compare them with) and the Stones, the Kinks and the Who. Even the Velvet underground, despite the fact that none of these groups are considered pop any longer, they were THE pop acts back in their heyday.Simply there was no disco back then. So this is another thing that he is not considering. What we consider pop, throughout the decades. He also name checks Ramones and Status quo, two bands that were not as popular as ABBA, having a more concentrated audience because of the type of music they played, which was in fact pop with an edge (3 chord punk the Ramones and 5 chord boogie Status, but after their 3rd record). So he also dislikes Ramones and Status quo. Phil Spector went on to produce songs for the Ramones, thinking they are the next big pop thing. He was wrong, their sales were adequate to sustain a record contract but not like ABBA. Somehow they were more influential than ABBA, but because of the same flaws they had with ABBA! And this is exactly the point. A pop song has flaws. Many flaws, in order to be liked by many people. Simplistic lyrics, kitsch outfits, instant and repeated hooks, over the top production, etc. Maybe we should reconsider Pink Floyd's work after Meddley, too and blame David Bowie for all his records after Honky Dory.
Post by: dmg on December 14, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
I DO, I DO, I DO, I DO, I DO
NOT LIKE ABBA
Very good article:
https://isiria.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/i-hate-abba/
Of course we won't argue about ABBA or any other artist. Taste in music is rather hard to explain. Maybe some people are allergic to pop songs. However I should note that the article is not good at all. If you remove the direct references to ABBA and the titles of their songs, he could be referring to any big pop band ever existed, dare I say even the Beatles (since he is so keen to compare them with) and the Stones, the Kinks and the Who. Even the Velvet underground, despite the fact that none of these groups are considered pop any longer, they were THE pop acts back in their heyday.Simply there was no disco back then. So this is another thing that he is not considering. What we consider pop, throughout the decades. He also name checks Ramones and Status quo, two bands that were not as popular as ABBA, having a more concentrated audience because of the type of music they played, which was in fact pop with an edge (3 chord punk the Ramones and 5 chord boogie Status, but after their 3rd record). So he also dislikes Ramones and Status quo. Phil Spector went on to produce songs for the Ramones, thinking they are the next big pop thing. He was wrong, their sales were adequate to sustain a record contract but not like ABBA. Somehow they were more influential than ABBA, but because of the same flaws they had with ABBA! And this is exactly the point. A pop song has flaws. Many flaws, in order to be liked by many people. Simplistic lyrics, kitsch outfits, instant and repeated hooks, over the top production, etc. Maybe we should reconsider Pink Floyd's work after Meddley, too and blame David Bowie for all his records after Honky Dory.
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We have been informed in a previous post that "ABBA are a better band than DS" so perhaps the whole issue really lies with the criteria needed for entry in the first place. According to Wiki:
"Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."
In that case then popularity counts for a whole lot more than quality IMHO. Why did they have a fan vote in the first instance if popularity was not a criteria? A band never off the radio or TV is surely destined for this scrapyard of fame. Good lyrics and musicianship has nothing to do with it. IMO it has more to do with having radio-friendly singles and making lots of TV appearances.
Post by: Jules on December 14, 2017, 02:51:14 PM
I think that Mark and David are in better terms now than Mark and Alan.
I also think that only Mark and John will go like for plaque event in Depford
But a little voice in my head says that I have to keep hope for something "special"...
The day Waters played again with PF at Live8 I was so nervous like if it was DK sharing a stage with MK again...
Oh... Let's dream.
Post by: vgonis on December 14, 2017, 03:01:21 PM
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We have been informed in a previous post that "ABBA are a better band than DS" so perhaps the whole issue really lies with the criteria needed for entry in the first place. According to Wiki:
"Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."
In that case then popularity counts for a whole lot more than quality IMHO. Why did they have a fan vote in the first instance if popularity was not a criteria? A band never off the radio or TV is surely destined for this scrapyard of fame. Good lyrics and musicianship has nothing to do with it. IMO it has more to do with having radio-friendly singles and making lots of TV appearances.
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Yes, even quality in the arts is a minefield. So I wouldn't even dare to go down this road, unless if it is to have a poke at the weirdness of our world. Yet, trying to find some relevance, I would try to compare this with historical figures. So Field Marshall Haig is well known for all the wrong reasons and very influential to the future of England and the world, since he is to be blamed for the mindless loss of numerous young promising men. The same to n degree goes to Hitler, etc. He is perhaps more known than his opponents, Patton et all. He is more influential, even if it is in a negative way. So lets at least give ABBA this, while I enjoy listening to them, guilt free, since they are not Haig or Hitler.
Post by: Pottel on December 14, 2017, 03:03:16 PM
Same here, I criedI think that Mark and David are in better terms now than Mark and Alan.
I also think that only Mark and John will go like for plaque event in Depford
But a little voice in my head says that I have to keep hope for something "special"...
The day Waters played again with PF at Live8 I was so nervous like if it was DK sharing a stage with MK again...
Oh... Let's dream.
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Post by: Love Expresso on December 14, 2017, 03:27:01 PM
LE
Post by: vgonis on December 14, 2017, 04:56:05 PM
Post by: Pottel on December 14, 2017, 06:15:50 PM
Not sure what Hitler has to do with it. Just wanted to say that ABBA is far more than just a Radio Pop Band with a lot of uncritical fans but are known for great composing, phantastic arrangements, unique vocals and timeless melodies. ABBA will never get outdated or "uncool" because it was music in the first way what was their aim and not being pop stars.There is the Hitler forum law. Something about "any discussion on any forum will mention Hitler at some point" or something like that. And no, I am not joking
LE
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Post by: Pottel on December 14, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
We wouldn't have ABBA if he had won? Only Wagnerian operas? ;)Muhahahaaa
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Post by: vgonis on December 14, 2017, 06:21:25 PM
Not sure what Hitler has to do with it. Just wanted to say that ABBA is far more than just a Radio Pop Band with a lot of uncritical fans but are known for great composing, phantastic arrangements, unique vocals and timeless melodies. ABBA will never get outdated or "uncool" because it was music in the first way what was their aim and not being pop stars.There is the Hitler forum law. Something about "any discussion on any forum will mention Hitler at some point" or something like that. And no, I am not joking
LE
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Does it count if you were aware of this law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Post by: Vesper on December 14, 2017, 06:33:56 PM
Nice interview with John.
Post by: Pottel on December 14, 2017, 06:48:09 PM
Exactly what I meant ! ThnxNot sure what Hitler has to do with it. Just wanted to say that ABBA is far more than just a Radio Pop Band with a lot of uncritical fans but are known for great composing, phantastic arrangements, unique vocals and timeless melodies. ABBA will never get outdated or "uncool" because it was music in the first way what was their aim and not being pop stars.There is the Hitler forum law. Something about "any discussion on any forum will mention Hitler at some point" or something like that. And no, I am not joking
LE
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Post by: rmarques821 on December 14, 2017, 07:06:12 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/dire-straits-john-illsley-on-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-w514034After reading this interview, I'm pretty certain if they do play it's going to be Mark, John, Guy, David and Pick. No way they'll want to play with Clark.
Nice interview with John.
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Post by: Jules on December 14, 2017, 07:46:37 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/dire-straits-john-illsley-on-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-w514034After reading this interview, I'm pretty certain if they do play it's going to be Mark, John, Guy, David and Pick. No way they'll want to play with Clark.
Nice interview with John.
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As.long as it's a one off, I'm ok with it.
Post by: binone on December 14, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
Post by: Jules on December 14, 2017, 09:06:30 PM
A journalist asked Pick, and he doesn´t want to go there. Don´t have the link.
It was me in his Facebook account ;)
Post by: ds1984 on December 14, 2017, 10:56:54 PM
Post by: straitsway75 on December 14, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
A reunion with Dave and Pick, persons that in years had no contact.
Persons that had spoke of Mark like a monster of ego.
All we know, like John says, without songs like Sultans and Telegraph all of us weren't here.
Bye
Post by: straitsway75 on December 14, 2017, 11:05:12 PM
Roger Waters publicly treated both David & Nick as "d'enculés" on a french radio. 20 years later or so they shared a stage together :thinkPink Floyd a band
Dire Straits a name for Mark's musics and songs
Bye
Post by: quizzaciously on December 14, 2017, 11:28:24 PM
Roger Waters publicly treated both David & Nick as "d'enculés" on a french radio. 20 years later or so they shared a stage together :thinkPink Floyd a band
Dire Straits a name for Mark's musics and songs
Bye
Short and simple... As I love to put it, MK = DS.
You made me think about actual popularity of the name... And seems like DS is twice as popular on the web and FOUR times on YouTube.
I mean, it's still quite a name.
Post by: straitsway75 on December 15, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Sure. it's still quite a name, but only this.Roger Waters publicly treated both David & Nick as "d'enculés" on a french radio. 20 years later or so they shared a stage together :thinkPink Floyd a band
Dire Straits a name for Mark's musics and songs
Bye
Short and simple... As I love to put it, MK = DS.
You made me think about actual popularity of the name... And seems like DS is twice as popular on the web and FOUR times on YouTube.
I mean, it's still quite a name.
Anyway, like you I love all of DS and see another time the 'name' on media is very good, but I have too much respect for dignity and way of Mark to live his life in music
:wave
Post by: Rail King on December 15, 2017, 12:02:01 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/dire-straits-john-illsley-on-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-w514034After reading this interview, I'm pretty certain if they do play it's going to be Mark, John, Guy, David and Pick. No way they'll want to play with Clark.
Nice interview with John.
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I suspect that Mark would like to go. He's shown up for lesser awards, why not for this one? What will be interesting, though, is what happens if Alan Clark decides to go, too ...
Post by: Jules on December 15, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/12/2018_rock_roll_hall_of_fame_ce.html
It kind of sucks... What's the important thing in the rock and roll hall of fame, the rock, or attract the young people to the hall of fame?
Sucks.
Post by: vgonis on December 15, 2017, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on December 15, 2017, 05:05:43 PM
You should read this article...
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/12/2018_rock_roll_hall_of_fame_ce.html
It kind of sucks... What's the important thing in the rock and roll hall of fame, the rock, or attract the young people to the hall of fame?
Sucks.
Probably written by a frustrated Radiohead fan ;D :lol
Post by: vgonis on December 15, 2017, 06:34:48 PM
Post by: Banjo99uk on December 15, 2017, 07:12:22 PM
Post by: Billy’s Tune on December 16, 2017, 11:03:57 AM
No full songs just snippets like the London show way back in 2009.
Probably way off the mark but ......
Post by: caci99 on December 16, 2017, 12:05:48 PM
Anyway, glad that Dire Straits are now included into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. When will be Mark Knopfler be included for his solo career though? :P
Post by: Pottel on December 16, 2017, 12:21:27 PM
Valid point, he goes to manyhttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/dire-straits-john-illsley-on-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-w514034After reading this interview, I'm pretty certain if they do play it's going to be Mark, John, Guy, David and Pick. No way they'll want to play with Clark.
Nice interview with John.
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I suspect that Mark would like to go. He's shown up for lesser awards, why not for this one? What will be interesting, though, is what happens if Alan Clark decides to go, too ...
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Post by: Jules on December 16, 2017, 02:29:54 PM
From all the names mentioned as Dire Straits members, not once was called Terry Williams, even from jbaent :lol. Love that guy and he brought to alchemy and that period.
Anyway, glad that Dire Straits are now included into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. When will be Mark Knopfler be included for his solo career though? :P
Because the hall of fame induction says clearly that the members inducted are Mark, John, David, Alan and Guy.
And if you think it right, Terry was only a member during two tours, he only played drums in the Twisting by the pool EP and in walk of life and the mfn intro in BiA record. He didn't recorded any DS studio record in full, or even in half... Just four complete songs and a intro...
Post by: dmg on December 16, 2017, 07:39:25 PM
From all the names mentioned as Dire Straits members, not once was called Terry Williams, even from jbaent :lol. Love that guy and he brought to alchemy and that period.
Anyway, glad that Dire Straits are now included into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. When will be Mark Knopfler be included for his solo career though? :P
Because the hall of fame induction says clearly that the members inducted are Mark, John, David, Alan and Guy.
And if you think it right, Terry was only a member during two tours, he only played drums in the Twisting by the pool EP and in walk of life and the mfn intro in BiA record. He didn't recorded any DS studio record in full, or even in half... Just four complete songs and a intro...
True, and I really like Omar Hakim's work on BIA too. I must say that I do feel so sorry for Terry as he was such a big part of the music I listen to on a daily basis and DS at their peak. I don't think albums matter as much as tours tbh and Terry was present for DS most important era. He also appears to be a nice guy. They do say nice guys finish last.
Post by: Jules on December 16, 2017, 07:58:30 PM
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Post by: caci99 on December 16, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
It was a tongue in cheek comment ;).From all the names mentioned as Dire Straits members, not once was called Terry Williams, even from jbaent :lol. Love that guy and he brought to alchemy and that period.
Anyway, glad that Dire Straits are now included into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. When will be Mark Knopfler be included for his solo career though? :P
Because the hall of fame induction says clearly that the members inducted are Mark, John, David, Alan and Guy.
And if you think it right, Terry was only a member during two tours, he only played drums in the Twisting by the pool EP and in walk of life and the mfn intro in BiA record. He didn't recorded any DS studio record in full, or even in half... Just four complete songs and a intro...
Omar Hakim did a great job too now that it was mentioned, superb I must say. Mark got pretty much the best bunch of musician through out his career except for a rhythm guitar until Richard Bennett came to scene in my opinion.
Post by: quizzaciously on December 16, 2017, 09:12:23 PM
Omar Hakim did a great job too now that it was mentioned, superb I must say. Mark got pretty much the best bunch of musician through out his career except for a rhythm guitar until Richard Bennett came to scene in my opinion.
It's still funny to me to see MONSTER jazz guitar player like Richard strumming a couple of chords in most of Mark's songs with a rare stuff like 1 chorus solo in Romeo or guitar duel in Diamond. The rhythm guitarist is an overkill for sure, but the rest of the guys are fabulous. Mark should get Tommy Emmanuel to play the rhythm guitar in his band :lol
Post by: quizzaciously on December 16, 2017, 11:15:17 PM
bassist John McIllsley reveals...
http://iloveclassicrock.com/dire-straits-rock-hall-reunion-ultimately-comes-down-to-one-thing-and-its-not-looking-good/
Post by: Jules on December 17, 2017, 08:49:55 AM
Post by: Darling Pretty on December 17, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
Weren't McGoldie and McCuskie also DS Members???
In April maybe they are
Good one
Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 10:45:20 AM
Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.I like Terry a lot. But...
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
I currently listen to Paris 16.06.81 (excellent recording by a qualified taper and top-notch equipment) and I was thinking that the common view on AMIT is that Pick was best-suited for intimate concerts and Terry best suited for stadium rock concerts; but frankly... Anything wrong with Pick's druming in 81, even though there already were keyboards and huge venues ? And already Telegraph Road and part of Private Investigations (at the end of the faboulus "News", turned into an epic masterpiece with Hammond Organ) ?
Had Pick stayed for the LOG tour after the recording of the LOG album, I'm pretty sure Alchemy would have sounded as terrific as it actually is, if not more subtle drumming :) I heard drummers say that Terry did not handle TOL's drumming section in the middle as well as Pick did...
I think Pick stated somewhere that Mark was adding more and more keyboards (and it's true that Mark added one keyboardist between 81 and 82), and that he felt that it would be at the expense of drums... Some people say that's also why most songs from the 2 firsts albums were sadly dropped after 81 (save for Sultans, OUATITW and Portobello Belle, as well as Wild West End, Water of Love and Setting me Up sometimes). Anybody has any insight about this ? Did Pick prefer that more stripped-down playing of '78 and '79 over the keyboards-"enhanced" (for the best, like News and WDYTYRG, or the worst, or at least strange, like In the Gallery and Single Handed Sailor or even Sultans in 80/81 were the keyboards are so cheesy) ?
Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.Is this a firm rule written in stone ?
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Hal has two albums with DS: Log and Alchemy, which is even a double album. So live albums don't count ?
Terry also has two albums, but one his live and the other a strange thing, kind of a small studio album never released on CD. No luck for him...
Omar has only one studio album.
Let's not talk about Jack Soni, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Joop de Korte, Chris Witten, Danny K and Paul Franklin then... :)
Post by: Jules on December 17, 2017, 11:45:04 AM
Kind of fair to me, live albums are a portrait of a tour that is also a portrait of the studio albums, so the main production of a band looks like is considered to be the studio albums.
Post by: binone on December 17, 2017, 07:48:21 PM
Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.Is this a firm rule written in stone ?
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Hal has two albums with DS: Log and Alchemy, which is even a double album. So live albums don't count ?
Terry also has two albums, but one his live and the other a strange thing, kind of a small studio album never released on CD. No luck for him...
Omar has only one studio album.
Let's not talk about Jack Soni, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Joop de Korte, Chris Witten, Danny K and Paul Franklin then... :)
You mean 17.6.81, don´t you?
Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 08:02:25 PM
Yes, sorry, 17.07.81Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.Is this a firm rule written in stone ?
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Hal has two albums with DS: Log and Alchemy, which is even a double album. So live albums don't count ?
Terry also has two albums, but one his live and the other a strange thing, kind of a small studio album never released on CD. No luck for him...
Omar has only one studio album.
Let's not talk about Jack Soni, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Joop de Korte, Chris Witten, Danny K and Paul Franklin then... :)
You mean 17.6.81, don´t you?
This is my favorite recording from the period, as it was made by a good taper, with full info on the equipment used (Sony tc-5dm, the Rolls-Royce of the time). Amazing that even in 1981 you could get quality recordings ! And these audience recordings are all what we have...
Post by: binone on December 17, 2017, 08:07:04 PM
Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 08:16:10 PM
Yes, a masterpiece. sounds nearly as a Soundboard, and a marvelous playing by the band. :thumbsupYes, indeed. Actually a good audience recording is better than a poorly mixed soundboard I think.
"News" with Hammond Organ is heartbreaking, a little tune turned into an epic Masterpiece.
TR is still in infancy, but so nice to hear this new, freash version.
Skateway... should have stayed in the setlist.
TOL was already well developped.
I have yet to decide whether I prefer the keyboard-enhanced versions of DTTW, Lions and WDYTYRG over the more stripped-down version of 78/79. All are great actually. What do you think ?
Post by: binone on December 17, 2017, 09:21:01 PM
Yes, a masterpiece. sounds nearly as a Soundboard, and a marvelous playing by the band. :thumbsupYes, indeed. Actually a good audience recording is better than a poorly mixed soundboard I think.
"News" with Hammond Organ is heartbreaking, a little tune turned into an epic Masterpiece.
TR is still in infancy, but so nice to hear this new, freash version.
Skateway... should have stayed in the setlist.
TOL was already well developped.
I have yet to decide whether I prefer the keyboard-enhanced versions of DTTW, Lions and WDYTYRG over the more stripped-down version of 78/79. All are great actually. What do you think ?
I totally share your opinion. Also, this gave me the opportunity to enjoy once more of this reccording I had little forgotten.
Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 09:39:59 PM
:) great if I made you listen to it again !Yes, a masterpiece. sounds nearly as a Soundboard, and a marvelous playing by the band. :thumbsupYes, indeed. Actually a good audience recording is better than a poorly mixed soundboard I think.
"News" with Hammond Organ is heartbreaking, a little tune turned into an epic Masterpiece.
TR is still in infancy, but so nice to hear this new, freash version.
Skateway... should have stayed in the setlist.
TOL was already well developped.
I have yet to decide whether I prefer the keyboard-enhanced versions of DTTW, Lions and WDYTYRG over the more stripped-down version of 78/79. All are great actually. What do you think ?
I totally share your opinion. Also, this gave me the opportunity to enjoy once more of this reccording I had little forgotten.
My question actually was: how do you prefer the songs from the first 2 DS albums ? stripped-down as in 78/79, or more developped with keyboards as in 80/81 ?
Post by: Pottel on December 17, 2017, 09:44:22 PM
There are many amazing recordings from the 60ies and 70iesYes, sorry, 17.07.81Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.Is this a firm rule written in stone ?
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Hal has two albums with DS: Log and Alchemy, which is even a double album. So live albums don't count ?
Terry also has two albums, but one his live and the other a strange thing, kind of a small studio album never released on CD. No luck for him...
Omar has only one studio album.
Let's not talk about Jack Soni, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Joop de Korte, Chris Witten, Danny K and Paul Franklin then... :)
You mean 17.6.81, don´t you?
This is my favorite recording from the period, as it was made by a good taper, with full info on the equipment used (Sony tc-5dm, the Rolls-Royce of the time). Amazing that even in 1981 you could get quality recordings ! And these audience recordings are all what we have...
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Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 09:54:38 PM
Indeed, but prior to portable équipement such as Sony tc-d5m, you had to carry a heavy device, either cassette or reel-to-reel in the 60s. I'm not sure that it was easy to go through security with that, so I imagine less concerts were recorded :)There are many amazing recordings from the 60ies and 70iesYes, sorry, 17.07.81Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.Is this a firm rule written in stone ?
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Hal has two albums with DS: Log and Alchemy, which is even a double album. So live albums don't count ?
Terry also has two albums, but one his live and the other a strange thing, kind of a small studio album never released on CD. No luck for him...
Omar has only one studio album.
Let's not talk about Jack Soni, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Joop de Korte, Chris Witten, Danny K and Paul Franklin then... :)
You mean 17.6.81, don´t you?
This is my favorite recording from the period, as it was made by a good taper, with full info on the equipment used (Sony tc-5dm, the Rolls-Royce of the time). Amazing that even in 1981 you could get quality recordings ! And these audience recordings are all what we have...
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Post by: Love Expresso on December 17, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
I have no clue what you are talking about ... could you share some of your exklusive Collector's Club knowledge with us ordinary guys ..? :wave
LE
Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 10:44:27 PM
Or less security...Well it is only a matter of weight really.
I have no clue what you are talking about ... could you share some of your exklusive Collector's Club knowledge with us ordinary guys ..? :wave
LE
You have had quality recorders since the 60s, but they were reel-to-reel (tapes not in a compact cassette) and a recorder could weight 10kg ! Then you had (trans)portable cassette recorders, 5kg, then real portable ones , less than 2kg (I believe the Sony tc-d5 in 1978 was the first), and then the Walkman series (like Sony wm-d6, almost pocketable in 1982). Then in 1988 came DAT, but that was really heavy and expensive, until the Sony tcd-d3 DAT Walkman in 1990. Then came DCC (a digital cassette, huge technical failure...advertised by Dire Straits on the OES tour), and minidic (less of a failure), both in 1992, until the pure digital recorders in use today.
But analog cassette does not mean bad... In fact some old quality analog recordings, properly transferred from a master cassette, can sound better than recent ones !
Post by: Pottel on December 17, 2017, 10:50:17 PM
There was the legendary taper whose name eludes me right now, but he faked being disabled and hid the equipment in his wheelchair. Added benefit was that he tended to be put in amazing viewing positions with less audience noiseIndeed, but prior to portable équipement such as Sony tc-d5m, you had to carry a heavy device, either cassette or reel-to-reel in the 60s. I'm not sure that it was easy to go through security with that, so I imagine less concerts were recorded :)There are many amazing recordings from the 60ies and 70iesYes, sorry, 17.07.81Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.Is this a firm rule written in stone ?
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Hal has two albums with DS: Log and Alchemy, which is even a double album. So live albums don't count ?
Terry also has two albums, but one his live and the other a strange thing, kind of a small studio album never released on CD. No luck for him...
Omar has only one studio album.
Let's not talk about Jack Soni, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Joop de Korte, Chris Witten, Danny K and Paul Franklin then... :)
You mean 17.6.81, don´t you?
This is my favorite recording from the period, as it was made by a good taper, with full info on the equipment used (Sony tc-5dm, the Rolls-Royce of the time). Amazing that even in 1981 you could get quality recordings ! And these audience recordings are all what we have...
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Post by: herlock on December 17, 2017, 10:56:18 PM
Incredible ! :)There was the legendary taper whose name eludes me right now, but he faked being disabled and hid the equipment in his wheelchair. Added benefit was that he tended to be put in amazing viewing positions with less audience noiseIndeed, but prior to portable équipement such as Sony tc-d5m, you had to carry a heavy device, either cassette or reel-to-reel in the 60s. I'm not sure that it was easy to go through security with that, so I imagine less concerts were recorded :)There are many amazing recordings from the 60ies and 70iesYes, sorry, 17.07.81Terry Williams is, to me, the DS drummer. He was a key element when DS turned into the great rock and roll band they were between 1982 and 1986, his addition, together with Alan Clark and Hal Lindes changed the band.Is this a firm rule written in stone ?
Is one of those strange stories that he didn't play drums in any DS record more than one song and an intro in BIA and three straight rock songs in an EP, and is still consider by many of the fans as "the drummer".
But it looks the Hall Of Fame stablish that the inducted members had to feature in at least two records, that's why they are MK, David, John, Pick, Alan and Guy alone.
Hal has two albums with DS: Log and Alchemy, which is even a double album. So live albums don't count ?
Terry also has two albums, but one his live and the other a strange thing, kind of a small studio album never released on CD. No luck for him...
Omar has only one studio album.
Let's not talk about Jack Soni, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Joop de Korte, Chris Witten, Danny K and Paul Franklin then... :)
You mean 17.6.81, don´t you?
This is my favorite recording from the period, as it was made by a good taper, with full info on the equipment used (Sony tc-5dm, the Rolls-Royce of the time). Amazing that even in 1981 you could get quality recordings ! And these audience recordings are all what we have...
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I don't know whether I should call this guy a bastard or a genius. Probably both :)
Post by: dmg on December 17, 2017, 11:00:08 PM
Or less security...Well it is only a matter of weight really.
I have no clue what you are talking about ... could you share some of your exklusive Collector's Club knowledge with us ordinary guys ..? :wave
LE
You have had quality recorders since the 60s, but they were reel-to-reel (tapes not in a compact cassette) and a recorder could weight 10kg ! Then you had (trans)portable cassette recorders, 5kg, then real portable ones , less than 2kg (I believe the Sony tc-d5 in 1978 was the first), and then the Walkman series (like Sony wm-d6, almost pocketable in 1982). Then in 1988 came DAT, but that was really heavy and expensive, until the Sony tcd-d3 DAT Walkman in 1990. Then came DCC (a digital cassette, huge technical failure...advertised by Dire Straits on the OES tour), and minidic (less of a failure), both in 1992, until the pure digital recorders in use today.
But analog cassette does not mean bad... In fact some old quality analog recordings, properly transferred from a master cassette, can sound better than recent ones !
I own the Sony wm-d6c and it is a fabulous machine to this day. Connect it up to the amplifier and it plays to a professional standard through the speakers.
I owned the DAT you mentioned too but it developed a fault where the tape became tangled. Heavy on the batteries; later version better in this respect. Good system though.
Post by: dmg on December 17, 2017, 11:01:53 PM
[/quote]There was the legendary taper whose name eludes me right now, but he faked being disabled and hid the equipment in his wheelchair. Added benefit was that he tended to be put in amazing viewing positions with less audience noise
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Incredible ! :)
I don't know whether I should call this guy a bastard or a genius. Probably both :)
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The former. He sounds like he needs help to me.
Post by: Pottel on December 17, 2017, 11:06:25 PM
There was the legendary taper whose name eludes me right now, but he faked being disabled and hid the equipment in his wheelchair. Added benefit was that he tended to be put in amazing viewing positions with less audience noise
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[/quote]
Incredible ! :)
I don't know whether I should call this guy a bastard or a genius. Probably both :)
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The former. He sounds like he needs help to me.
[/quote]He died. Leaving us with literally hundreds of immaculate recordings of all the major bands . He was of sound mind. I remember there is a documentary on YouTube bout him. Now I just need to find it
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Post by: vgonis on December 18, 2017, 12:09:08 AM
interesting PDF on bootlegs,
The taper you mean is Mike Millard by any chance?
Post by: herlock on December 18, 2017, 09:31:17 AM
Yes, a masterpiece. sounds nearly as a Soundboard, and a marvelous playing by the band. :thumbsupBy the way - I know there is a version of it, that is "enhanced" by Enlight, but the torrent is dead on the Knopfler TK, and it is not on your repository as well. Do you know where I could find it ? And do you know how "enhanced" it is ? It is almost perfect as it is, I just notice one channel was down for a while during TR... Does the new version correct that ?
Post by: Pottel on December 18, 2017, 09:40:44 AM
https://monoskop.org/images/a/a4/Heylin_Clinton_Bootleg_The_Secret_History_of_the_Other_Recording_Industry.pdfThe legend, indeed. I have so many amazing recordings in my collection because of this man. Thnx vgonis
interesting PDF on bootlegs,
The taper you mean is Mike Millard by any chance?
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Post by: caci99 on December 18, 2017, 10:08:42 AM
Anyone has a torrent of it? It is not on KnopflerTK
Post by: binone on December 18, 2017, 11:04:01 AM
Yes, a masterpiece. sounds nearly as a Soundboard, and a marvelous playing by the band. :thumbsupBy the way - I know there is a version of it, that is "enhanced" by Enlight, but the torrent is dead on the Knopfler TK, and it is not on your repository as well. Do you know where I could find it ? And do you know how "enhanced" it is ? It is almost perfect as it is, I just notice one channel was down for a while during TR... Does the new version correct that ?
I didn´t know about the Enlight version of this bootleg. If any of you have it and want to share, let me know, and will upload it to Knopfler Unlimited.
Post by: ds1984 on December 18, 2017, 12:40:12 PM
https://monoskop.org/images/a/a4/Heylin_Clinton_Bootleg_The_Secret_History_of_the_Other_Recording_Industry.pdfThe legend, indeed. I have so many amazing recordings in my collection because of this man. Thnx vgonis
interesting PDF on bootlegs,
The taper you mean is Mike Millard by any chance?
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I have this book for years.
Great book
It would deserve to get film adapted from it.
Post by: vgonis on December 18, 2017, 02:58:16 PM
https://monoskop.org/images/a/a4/Heylin_Clinton_Bootleg_The_Secret_History_of_the_Other_Recording_Industry.pdfThe legend, indeed. I have so many amazing recordings in my collection because of this man. Thnx vgonis
interesting PDF on bootlegs,
The taper you mean is Mike Millard by any chance?
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I have this book for years.
Great book
It would deserve to get film adapted from it.
It is a great read, although the Dire straits references are rather demeaning, usually putting them in the same sentence with Simply red and Phil Collins. ;D And a little nown fact that DS copyright holder had started a lawsuit against the Bazel 1992 taper. Which means that despite the fact that MK is not against tapping for personal use, there are many more behind him (the copyright holders and record companies) that have different ideas about the bootleg recordings circulation. He explains the whys and hows very nicely. And yes, together with several other books on the economics of the music industry (Rockonomics, Appetite for self destruction, etc) can become a great movie. Anybody seen the "Vinyl" series? It contains some of the rock stories, although I must admit that I only saw the pilot and the next episode only.
Post by: ds1984 on December 18, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Underground should remain where he has to stay.
Post by: Jules on December 18, 2017, 06:43:41 PM
Post by: herlock on December 18, 2017, 06:51:17 PM
When you find the basel DVD at you local Fnac (I did) that means that soon the Sacem will release its dogs (and this what happened)...A ridiculous fight if you want my opinion.
Underground should remain where he has to stay.
Mark has almost never bothered to release anything live.
I myself have bought several versions of each and single official release from MK and DS. So I will take no lecture about buying the other stuff. I bought the immortal Rockpalast DVD with no remorse, because at least it feels semi-official and it is brought to the masses. I don't understand the "support Mark, don't buy unofficial" moto. I would rather "support Mark, buy everything, but hey Mark, support yourself, release things officially, so that this pirated market does not exist anymore".
Post by: Pottel on December 18, 2017, 07:42:28 PM
Fully agree!When you find the basel DVD at you local Fnac (I did) that means that soon the Sacem will release its dogs (and this what happened)...A ridiculous fight if you want my opinion.
Underground should remain where he has to stay.
Mark has almost never bothered to release anything live.
I myself have bought several versions of each and single official release from MK and DS. So I will take no lecture about buying the other stuff. I bought the immortal Rockpalast DVD with no remorse, because at least it feels semi-official and it is brought to the masses. I don't understand the "support Mark, don't buy unofficial" moto. I would rather "support Mark, buy everything, but hey Mark, support yourself, release things officially, so that this pirated market does not exist anymore".
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Post by: vgonis on December 18, 2017, 07:59:54 PM
Post by: ds1984 on December 19, 2017, 01:20:46 PM
When you find the basel DVD at you local Fnac (I did) that means that soon the Sacem will release its dogs (and this what happened)...A ridiculous fight if you want my opinion.
Underground should remain where he has to stay.
Mark has almost never bothered to release anything live.
I myself have bought several versions of each and single official release from MK and DS. So I will take no lecture about buying the other stuff. I bought the immortal Rockpalast DVD with no remorse, because at least it feels semi-official and it is brought to the masses. I don't understand the "support Mark, don't buy unofficial" moto. I would rather "support Mark, buy everything, but hey Mark, support yourself, release things officially, so that this pirated market does not exist anymore".
Nada it is counterfeiting, Rockpalast doing official release so with Immortal we are clearly facing a 100% illegal release, this is not grey but blakmarket...
Post by: Jules on December 19, 2017, 02:56:20 PM
Post by: herlock on December 19, 2017, 04:38:27 PM
Yes it is.When you find the basel DVD at you local Fnac (I did) that means that soon the Sacem will release its dogs (and this what happened)...A ridiculous fight if you want my opinion.
Underground should remain where he has to stay.
Mark has almost never bothered to release anything live.
I myself have bought several versions of each and single official release from MK and DS. So I will take no lecture about buying the other stuff. I bought the immortal Rockpalast DVD with no remorse, because at least it feels semi-official and it is brought to the masses. I don't understand the "support Mark, don't buy unofficial" moto. I would rather "support Mark, buy everything, but hey Mark, support yourself, release things officially, so that this pirated market does not exist anymore".
Nada it is counterfeiting, Rockpalast doing official release so with Immortal we are clearly facing a 100% illegal release, this is not grey but blakmarket...
And I don't give a damn.
Mark doesn't, why should I ?
At least Immortal packaged the thing...
Mark did not get anything less, because he does not release it...
Post by: playhurt4 on December 21, 2017, 02:25:50 AM
so what might he gain? my money is on: MK shows up, takes the stage with the others, grumbles a few words, and has illsley step up and thank a bunch of folks.
and really it's enough. DS was only ever MK's house band anyway. i do wish he would throw DK a bone at some point, maybe let him record at BG and play on a song or 2.
playhurt4
PS - hope i'm wrong!
Post by: vgonis on December 21, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
This is what I expect to happen! Sultans of swing will be played, of course.
Post by: JF on December 21, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
https://youtu.be/E05eBPjZNds
This is what I expect to happen! Sultans of swing will be played, of course.
yes great but it means, that all nominees would perform together ?
you mean Bon Jovi with the Cars and Dire Straits ? ::) :lol
Post by: vgonis on December 21, 2017, 08:53:32 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on December 21, 2017, 09:12:17 AM
And you forget the mucisians that will introduce the inductees. Who will introduce DS? Bruce Springsteen? Bob Dylan?Killers?
Wow, a good question. It could be virtually anyone... Dylan would be the ultimate choice. Lol imagine David Knopfler giving out the award to Mark, this would be even cooler than DS reunion! But of course I bet nothing extraordinary will happen and even the announcer will be as boring as possible.
Post by: Rail King on December 21, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
Fully agree!When you find the basel DVD at you local Fnac (I did) that means that soon the Sacem will release its dogs (and this what happened)...A ridiculous fight if you want my opinion.
Underground should remain where he has to stay.
Mark has almost never bothered to release anything live.
I myself have bought several versions of each and single official release from MK and DS. So I will take no lecture about buying the other stuff. I bought the immortal Rockpalast DVD with no remorse, because at least it feels semi-official and it is brought to the masses. I don't understand the "support Mark, don't buy unofficial" moto. I would rather "support Mark, buy everything, but hey Mark, support yourself, release things officially, so that this pirated market does not exist anymore".
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Couldn't agree more.
Funnily, if I buy records these days (out of loyalty with the artist, and because I like the booklets), I also download them (for free!!!) somewhere, so I have them on my phone, too.
The whole copyright discussion is pointless in a digital age, anyway. Everybody will get everything for free if they want it. That's just a fact, and it won't disappear because some corporate executive wishes it did. "Copyright" is a privilege that artists and writers were able to enjoy for a while (some 200 years, maybe), but there were millions of artists before that who didn't have it (think Bach or Van Gogh), and it's ultimately an illogical concept. Have you ever heard a baker complain about not being able to bake 1 loaf of bread and sell it a million times? If musicians are forced to play live again to make money, that's a good thing in my opinion. It's not a shame. It's back to normal.
Post by: herlock on December 21, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
I'm against lack of availability, which is way different.
If there is an official source that I can get for a reasonable price and time I will ALWAYS take this route - both out of honesty and preference for a professional quality package endorsed by the artist.
But if piracy is the only way to get the thing, I will have no remorse whatsoever - I don't consider it as piracy any more.
The case of Rockpalast is slighly different. The thing is legally available for free on the internet - a fan record from the TV. Die-hard anti-piracy activists pointed to me that I should have got it there instead of giving money to Immortal and not Mark. I hear that, but I still bought the immortal. I feel good to get a package that feels semi-official. And I'm happy to see it in big stores, because at least it brings it to the casual fans, not only to get-a-lifers computer nerds like ourselves. Live music should be for everyone, not only geeks :)
If Mark is not happy with this situation, he is in power to release things officially. My take on it is that he does not give a damn, and that is only a concern for Paul Crowford...
Post by: Rail King on December 21, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
I'm not against copyright.
I'm against lack of availability, which is way different.
If there is an official source that I can get for a reasonable price and time I will ALWAYS take this route - both out of honesty and preference for a professional quality package endorsed by the artist.
But if piracy is the only way to get the thing, I will have no remorse whatsoever - I don't consider it as piracy any more.
The case of Rockpalast is slighly different. The thing is legally available for free on the internet - a fan record from the TV. Die-hard anti-piracy activists pointed to me that I should have got it there instead of giving money to Immortal and not Mark. I hear that, but I still bought the immortal. I feel good to get a package that feels semi-official. And I'm happy to see it in big stores, because at least it brings it to the casual fans, not only to get-a-lifers computer nerds like ourselves. Live music should be for everyone, not only geeks :)
If Mark is not happy with this situation, he is in power to release things officially. My take on it is that he does not give a damn, and that is only a concern for Paul Crowford...
I also buy the official recordings whenever they're available. I'm willing to pay for the extra value they give me (artwork, the ability to have the product I love in my hands). I still think copyright is doomed, though – and that's not a bad thing IMO.
Post by: vgonis on December 21, 2017, 03:40:27 PM
A nice interview about copyright, digital era and musicians.
Post by: zeta on December 23, 2017, 01:58:54 AM
And you forget the mucisians that will introduce the inductees. Who will introduce DS? Bruce Springsteen? Bob Dylan?Killers?
Killers would be a good choice or Sting.
Post by: Banjo99uk on December 23, 2017, 03:45:24 AM
Post by: JF on December 23, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
I'd like to see Eric Clapton do it. One legend to another.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Post by: dmg on December 23, 2017, 04:15:37 PM
I'd like to see Eric Clapton do it. One legend to another.
Nice idea. If only Chet was still alive though... :'(
Post by: Fletch on December 29, 2017, 01:53:36 AM
https://monoskop.org/images/a/a4/Heylin_Clinton_Bootleg_The_Secret_History_of_the_Other_Recording_Industry.pdf
interesting PDF on bootlegs,
The taper you mean is Mike Millard by any chance?
Thanks for this great link Vgonis :)
Post by: cannibals on January 07, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
John is touring Europe untill the end of march so not much time to rehearsel.
Perhaps some news about this in the next few weeks. Still nothing official from MK about this.
I wonder if he will give any interviews in the next few months...
Post by: allen on January 07, 2018, 11:58:23 PM
https://youtu.be/Znm6P5EFCUI (https://youtu.be/Znm6P5EFCUI)
Post by: cannibals on January 08, 2018, 12:14:13 AM
Post by: allen on January 08, 2018, 12:20:53 AM
Why did Genesis not perform???
I guess no time for rehearsal. They did a reunion tour in 2007, and they were inducted in 2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q5c-JtAD10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q5c-JtAD10)
Post by: cannibals on January 08, 2018, 12:30:18 AM
He still has today but since he is touring these days i assume he is better. I wonder if MK aprove anyone else playing DS songs at the induction. :thumbsdown
Post by: allen on January 08, 2018, 12:37:41 AM
Phil Collins had some big health problems at the time i remember know...
He still has today but since he is touring these days i assume he is better. I wonder if MK aprove anyone else playing DS songs at the induction. :thumbsdown
Phil Collins' health is not as good now as it was back in 2010. Now he walks with a walking stick, coz he gets a right numb leg now and cannot play the drum any more.
Mark is a perfectionist, and I guess he may think it's better for him to do the DS stuff instead of others.
Post by: JF on January 08, 2018, 10:28:11 AM
I know it's not the same thing as the rock n roll hall of fame, but it could be an idea....I hope not :-\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3hvvqzna6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzB4CcMoLA
Post by: Friday Night on January 10, 2018, 09:21:49 PM
What I'd like to point out, is that we know almost nothing about Mark's ideas and current relationships with other members -- all of them are grown ups, and one simple phone call could possibly change a lot.
Mark owes Dire Straits and this ceremony without his presence would be err... (let's say I can't find a good word).
Whatever his decision will be, we have to take it as the best choice.
Even if that would be a 60-minutes set consisting of OUaTitW, TR, ToL and SoS. Bang! 50% of grown up AMiTers dead because of heart attack :)
Post by: primi on January 10, 2018, 10:30:47 PM
Post by: Jules on January 11, 2018, 12:44:02 PM
When it comes to Dire Straits, all the inductees members, except Pick and MK, said that they would like to attend and play, but it's up to MK to do it... The only DS member who talked to Rolling Stone was John Illsley to say that it depends on MK
And MK hasn't said a word yet. I know he's busy right now finishing the new album and continue the work on the secret project but... is as easy as rake a look to the agenda and say "Ok, I could go, and I will, or, I won't go"...
It's not so important anyway but I guess that any DS fan would be happy to at least see them together being inducted, it kinds of feed our fan ego to see again our favorite band in the spotlight for a last time.
Post by: skydiver on January 11, 2018, 01:06:06 PM
I guess that any DS fan would be happy to at least see them together being inducted, it kinds of feed our fan ego to see again our favorite band in the spotlight for a last time.
Please accept that this is just your oppinion and that there are other DS/MK fans for whom even this idea is horrible and who feel very sorry for MK for having been thrown with dirt again and again by certain overbearing former temporary band members.
Post by: Jules on January 11, 2018, 01:12:36 PM
I guess that any DS fan would be happy to at least see them together being inducted, it kinds of feed our fan ego to see again our favorite band in the spotlight for a last time.
Please accept that this is just your oppinion and that there are other DS/MK fans for whom even this idea is horrible and who feel very sorry for MK for having been thrown with dirt again and again by certain overbearing former temporary band members.
Did you notice that I said "I Guess"...? I said "I" that means ME and GUESS that means it's not an absolute truth, but a guess.
Post by: allen on January 12, 2018, 12:07:51 AM
Post by: kaleo74 on January 12, 2018, 04:55:54 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ray-thomas-moody-blues-flautist-and-founder-dead-at-76-w515092
Post by: dsbs on January 13, 2018, 07:53:15 PM
Yes, a masterpiece. sounds nearly as a Soundboard, and a marvelous playing by the band. :thumbsupBy the way - I know there is a version of it, that is "enhanced" by Enlight, but the torrent is dead on the Knopfler TK, and it is not on your repository as well. Do you know where I could find it ? And do you know how "enhanced" it is ? It is almost perfect as it is, I just notice one channel was down for a while during TR... Does the new version correct that ?
I just found this link via google. Don't know which version is. But it will work for those who don't have this bootleg in their collection (as it was my case). Thank you all for lettin' me know about it.
http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f145/dire-straits-1981-06-17-palais-des-sports-paris-france-355657.html
Best regards
Post by: herlock on January 13, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
Post by: dsbs on January 14, 2018, 10:59:25 AM
I'll keep looking for the other bottleg from that night. No luck so far.
Post by: caci99 on January 14, 2018, 12:27:53 PM
Yes, I realised that as soon as I listened a few seconds of a few tracks.Fans having a hard time finding a bootleg :). Hope you find it for me as well :)
I'll keep looking for the other bottleg from that night. No luck so far.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 14, 2018, 10:07:49 PM
Post by: rmarques821 on January 14, 2018, 11:15:31 PM
David Knopfler got asked about playing with Mark on this HOF ceremony, he said he would play at least in Mark's studio. It just ***** my brain on so many levels to know that you can't let your own BROTHER to play in your studio. What's going on, Mark? Huh? But it's of course their trouble.
He also said he would like to play at the RRHOF ceremony, but says it's all up to Mark.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 14, 2018, 11:27:50 PM
David Knopfler got asked about playing with Mark on this HOF ceremony, he said he would play at least in Mark's studio. It just ***** my brain on so many levels to know that you can't let your own BROTHER to play in your studio. What's going on, Mark? Huh? But it's of course their trouble.
I’m sure he’ll be allowed to work there if he pays for it... ::)
Post by: quizzaciously on January 14, 2018, 11:36:32 PM
David Knopfler got asked about playing with Mark on this HOF ceremony, he said he would play at least in Mark's studio. It just ***** my brain on so many levels to know that you can't let your own BROTHER to play in your studio. What's going on, Mark? Huh? But it's of course their trouble.
I’m sure he’ll be allowed to work there if he pays for it... ::)
So as you and me lol :lol But this is a fair point, I agree. So maybe DK is really don't "deserve" playing in a studio like this and MK is right as always.
Post by: allen on January 15, 2018, 12:05:45 AM
Post by: Pottel on January 15, 2018, 12:06:37 AM
Now I'n wondering if the secret project is a reunion album recording of Knopfler brothers. :DLet's keep dreaming.
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Post by: Pottel on January 15, 2018, 12:08:36 AM
David Knopfler got asked about playing with Mark on this HOF ceremony, he said he would play at least in Mark's studio. It just ***** my brain on so many levels to know that you can't let your own BROTHER to play in your studio. What's going on, Mark? Huh? But it's of course their trouble.No one said he is not "allowed" to play there, this is far beyond, a family thing, as they happen in the best of families,
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Post by: Eddie Fox on January 15, 2018, 12:16:37 AM
David Knopfler got asked about playing with Mark on this HOF ceremony, he said he would play at least in Mark's studio. It just ***** my brain on so many levels to know that you can't let your own BROTHER to play in your studio. What's going on, Mark? Huh? But it's of course their trouble.
I’m sure he’ll be allowed to work there if he pays for it... ::)
So as you and me lol :lol But this is a fair point, I agree. So maybe DK is really don't "deserve" playing in a studio like this and MK is right as always.
I don’t think it’s about deserving. BG is a business and has its price. According to GF Mark and Eric Clapton are pretty close and I’m sure Eric didn’t record there for free. Perhaps John Illsley didn’t pay for the studio itself but he surely paid the workers. I mean, come on, they haven’t been on speaking terms forever. And there’s no right or wrong here I think.
Post by: Jules on January 15, 2018, 09:02:23 AM
In the last year I saw pictures of people like Marcus cliffe, Hal Lindes and Phil Palmer recording at BG with different artists.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 15, 2018, 09:23:08 AM
I recall reading a Dave Stewart (the studio manager) that MK approves every customer.
In the last year I saw pictures of people like Marcus cliffe, Hal Lindes and Phil Palmer recording at BG with different artists.
Mark for President lol. What a democratic guy. But it would be strange to stop someone from using the studio anyway...
Anyway, I recall my words on David, I think this situation is okay. I think then he'll have a material and money, he's in BG.
Post by: Jules on January 15, 2018, 09:45:56 AM
Post by: JF on January 15, 2018, 09:58:54 AM
Now I'n wondering if the secret project is a reunion album recording of Knopfler brothers. :D
this morning I was listening to the album Communique with headphones on bike on the way to work.
It's one of my fav albums, but I hadn't listened to it for a while.
It struck me how good is the guitar interaction between Mark and David on this album, I think far more better than on the first one.
Rhythm interaction on Once upon a time : Mark on the left, David on the right. very groovy
Communique (the song) : very good playing by David (left channel, Mark is on the right) : nice arpeggions on the verse, funky rhythm on the bridge
Very very nice interplay by the two brothers on the 2nd solo on Angel of mercy : it sounds like they have fun together (Mark on the left, David on the right)
And sophitiscated rhythm interplay on Single handed sailor (Mark on the left, David on the right)
The two brothers at their best....
you remember the album "family style" by the Vaughan Brothers ? I know it's only a dream, and I don't even think of it, but hey...wouldn't it be amazing for the DS 40th anniversary, linked to the RoRHOF induction ?
Post by: caci99 on January 15, 2018, 11:18:13 AM
David Knopfler got asked about playing with Mark on this HOF ceremony, he said he would play at least in Mark's studio. It just ***** my brain on so many levels to know that you can't let your own BROTHER to play in your studio. What's going on, Mark? Huh? But it's of course their trouble.
I think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves here on judging whether David is allowed or not. He is just expressing his desire to work on the studio which is obvious because it is a state of the art studio, but we don't know if he asked Mark about it. Of course some payment might be due because of maintenance.
Still we do not know if David asked Marked and we do not know what the answer was if the request was made.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 15, 2018, 11:26:35 AM
David Knopfler got asked about playing with Mark on this HOF ceremony, he said he would play at least in Mark's studio. It just ***** my brain on so many levels to know that you can't let your own BROTHER to play in your studio. What's going on, Mark? Huh? But it's of course their trouble.
I think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves here on judging whether David is allowed or not. He is just expressing his desire to work on the studio which is obvious because it is a state of the art studio, but we don't know if he asked Mark about it. Of course some payment might be due because of maintenance.
Still we do not know if David asked Marked and we do not know what the answer was if the request was made.
Of course and I already changed my mind.
Post by: Robson on January 15, 2018, 11:26:58 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on January 15, 2018, 11:30:52 AM
Now I'n wondering if the secret project is a reunion album recording of Knopfler brothers. :D
this morning I was listening to the album Communique with headphones on bike on the way to work.
It's one of my fav albums, but I hadn't listened to it for a while.
It struck me how good is the guitar interaction between Mark and David on this album, I think far more better than on the first one.
Rhythm interaction on Once upon a time : Mark on the left, David on the right. very groovy
Communique (the song) : very good playing by David (left channel, Mark is on the right) : nice arpeggions on the verse, funky rhythm on the bridge
Very very nice interplay by the two brothers on the 2nd solo on Angel of mercy : it sounds like they have fun together (Mark on the left, David on the right)
And sophitiscated rhythm interplay on Single handed sailor (Mark on the left, David on the right)
The two brothers at their best....
you remember the album "family style" by the Vaughan Brothers ? I know it's only a dream, and I don't even think of it, but hey...wouldn't it be amazing for the DS 40th anniversary, linked to the RoRHOF induction ?
Well all this family business aside at least it would be nice if Mark would guest on David's albums more, but really I just don't want to know the real state of their relationship, because I think the reality is pretty sad.
Post by: Robson on January 15, 2018, 11:36:05 AM
I've always wondered about that.
Post by: Jules on January 15, 2018, 01:51:51 PM
How is it really? They parted in a hostile atmosphere (82) and Mark played the first album of David "Release" in 1983?
I've always wondered about that.
There is more...
When the "Sultans Of Swing" compilation was released, DK released a note in his site telling that he has been left out of the benefits of it regarding the songs in which he plays, and that he brought that to the court.
About eleven years ago it was published that DK was auctioning the first MK guitar. Apparently it was left in their parents house and MK never went back to take it. That's why David had it. The auction was closed and during "Kill To Get Crimson" promo pictures, MK was pictured with that guitar and he included it in the "Guitar Stories" documentary.
In a BBC Documentary called "Brothers In Arms" about brothers in rock bands, David mentioned that they only met in weddings and funerals with a cold "Hi David" and that's all.
And that's only three stories we know.
Post by: cannibals on January 15, 2018, 03:45:45 PM
David knopfler some years ago about his brother.
Post by: Robson on January 15, 2018, 04:27:09 PM
Post by: Stanko on January 15, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
https://youtu.be/wUSt936wA84the song is lovely. the action took some time before beaching in so far from from the Clyde or even better, around haul away!
David knopfler some years ago about his brother.
;)
Post by: Pottel on January 15, 2018, 07:13:40 PM
It is very interesting. The brothers often have a communication problem. I know something about itStill, that is not a total communication breakdown. If they want, they can. I stay positive on this one
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Post by: Robson on January 15, 2018, 07:25:46 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on January 15, 2018, 07:31:57 PM
LE
Post by: Robson on January 15, 2018, 08:17:54 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 17, 2018, 11:03:28 AM
Post by: caci99 on January 17, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
What we do know is from David side, because he is the one often questioned about Mark and of course a co-founder of Dire Straits, but we never listen from Mark about it. Even if questioned, I doubt he will give an answer to please the tabloids curiosity.
Remember it is Mark we are talking about, a very tough and strong personality. As any of us must have experienced in their own life, it is very hard to work and live close to such personalities, you either accept their greatness and find a way around to make your ideas forward (John Illsley), or you part ways and say you would like to explore your own ideas instead of working for those of some one else. The parting away might not be as graceful though, leaving scars which even time can not heal. Mark even had a fall out with Dylan after "Infidels", his own idol, that shows how strong he is and how much he believes in his own way. That does not mean he is always right, but one must have a really hard time to convince him otherwise.
In his whole career Mark has taken solid decisions, producing his own albums as soon as it was possible for him, exploring new ways and arrangements album after album not afraid of public reaction, leaving Dire Straits at sabbatical at their peak to work on more down to earth projects, leaving them for good to pursue his own style splitting in the way with Ed Bicknell, a great manager.
If the two brothers get together, it will be a great story, but if they can make great music together, that should be the aim, I am here for the love of Mark's music after all.
Post by: Robson on January 17, 2018, 01:42:51 PM
Post by: Pottel on January 17, 2018, 05:54:34 PM
Everything is true. In one of the interviews, I remember how Mark, when asked about the cooperation with Bob Dylan, said that it was not easy cooperation.Long forgotten now. They got along really well during their tour of last. The rest of the. And obviously did not, but mark DID interact with bob. The huge respect is mutual
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Post by: Robson on January 17, 2018, 06:09:59 PM
Post by: rmarques821 on January 18, 2018, 11:14:07 PM
A new interview with David with some interesting stuff! It's in Italian, but I guess Google Translate can be used if you don't speak the language...
Among other things, he says he would like to work with his brother at least one more time before he dies.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 18, 2018, 11:27:07 PM
http://www.cronacatorino.it/cultura-societa/intervista-david-knopfler-vorrei-lavorare-nuovo-mark.html
A new interview with David with some interesting stuff! It's in Italian, but I guess Google Translate can be used if you don't speak the language...
Among other things, he says he would like to work with his brother at least one more time before he dies.
Thanks for sharing! I personally think that Knopfler brothers have a very healthy and happy life, so they won't die any time soon, that basically means a possible collaboration between the two in 20 years maybe :lol
Post by: junkiedoll on January 18, 2018, 11:34:59 PM
http://www.cronacatorino.it/cultura-societa/intervista-david-knopfler-vorrei-lavorare-nuovo-mark.html
A new interview with David with some interesting stuff! It's in Italian, but I guess Google Translate can be used if you don't speak the language...
Among other things, he says he would like to work with his brother at least one more time before he dies.
This is really quite remarkable I´d say, and somewhat surprising after the last statements we got from DK. Maybe with the induction one gets some kind of comprehensive reminder on the whole history and development of DS, and history of course tells that MK is not only the main source of this, but also - in contrast to all other band members - the only irreplaceable component and musical backbone of this success story.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 18, 2018, 11:38:27 PM
http://www.cronacatorino.it/cultura-societa/intervista-david-knopfler-vorrei-lavorare-nuovo-mark.html
A new interview with David with some interesting stuff! It's in Italian, but I guess Google Translate can be used if you don't speak the language...
Among other things, he says he would like to work with his brother at least one more time before he dies.
I think it’s very nice of David to say it. He’s trying. But the truth is we don’t know much, perhaps he did something hard to be forgiven we don’t know about.
I hope they make peace though. It would be moving.
Post by: Love Expresso on January 18, 2018, 11:47:00 PM
This is really quite remarkable I´d say
Indeed it is. Brings a new dimension to the whole affair.
LE
Post by: Robson on January 19, 2018, 12:22:37 AM
A touching statement
Post by: quizzaciously on January 19, 2018, 08:30:38 AM
I would like to work with my brother again before we both die!
A touching statement
Touching maybe, but I think it's too dark and pessimistic. Mark would say something like "before we both wouldn't be able to play". Same thing basically, but in more optimistic way rather than "we both die". Maybe Mark tried to teach David an optimistic way of thinking, but failed hence their break up? I don't know DK personally so can't judge it, but MK seems to be the most optimistic guy on Earth.
Post by: Love Expresso on January 19, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
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Post by: Jules on January 19, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
Keeping in mind that David struggles with finding money every time he wants to produce his next album and only tours absolute low scale compared with Mark drowning in money, residing in his superior super studio and touring with his own Jet, I guess I understand he of them is the optimistic one and who the pessimist...
LE
Totally agree
Post by: Robson on January 19, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on January 19, 2018, 11:24:28 AM
Keeping in mind that David struggles with finding money every time he wants to produce his next album and only tours absolute low scale compared with Mark drowning in money, residing in his superior super studio and touring with his own Jet, I guess I understand he of them is the optimistic one and who the pessimist...
LE
To be die honest, if I were struggling making music, I would do something else, which I actually do. You got to evaluate your strongest skills.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 19, 2018, 11:29:57 AM
Post by: dmg on January 19, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
Keeping in mind that David struggles with finding money every time he wants to produce his next album and only tours absolute low scale compared with Mark drowning in money, residing in his superior super studio and touring with his own Jet, I guess I understand he of them is the optimistic one and who the pessimist...
LE
I don't. They're both doing what they love and David isn't exactly in poverty. Perhaps this has been the problem over the years - David values wealth too highly.
Post by: skydiver on January 19, 2018, 01:34:03 PM
No one asks (and is entitled to ask) what it cost MK to be where he is today.
Yes he has talent, but no one sees the hard work he put into it over all those years.
Sooo many songs he writes tell the story of what it cost him...
And David, too, must pay the price for his decisions in life and must live with the consequences.
I have heard enough bad words from him over the years to not trust his words now around the April date.
Post by: Robson on January 19, 2018, 01:36:49 PM
No one asks (and is entitled to ask) what it cost MK to be where he is today.
Yes he has talent, but no one sees the hard work he put into it over all those years.
Sooo many songs he writes tell the story of what it cost him...
And David, too, must pay the price for his decisions in life and must live with the consequences"
Exactly
Post by: quizzaciously on January 19, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
Everything comes at a price and "everybody pays".
No one asks (and is entitled to ask) what it cost MK to be where he is today.
Yes he has talent, but no one sees the hard work he put into it over all those years.
Sooo many songs he writes tell the story of what it cost him...
And David, too, must pay the price for his decisions in life and must live with the consequences.
I have heard enough bad words from him over the years to not trust his words now around the April date.
Yeah, I struggle and can barely even try to imitate only what Mark did on acoustic guitar. Not only you need to write all the songs, arrange songs, find people to play songs, you need to put songs in fan's hands as brilliant as he and his team did it from day one. Overall given his amount of work he deserves even more than he have now, but in his own words, "the reality is never like your dream". So who knows what MK is really dreaming of? Can you imagine it? I can't.
David's situation is so unique that I can't even discuss it. You admire him very much and kind of sorry for him at the same time, wishing he would have the other surname so to not to be regarded as "the other Knopfler". Wish he would have a solid fan base which doesn't even know who his brother is. Either that, or them performing together. All in between is a disaster from the start to me. Unless he would be as talented and prolific like his sibling (think Gibb or Everly brothers).
The break up of all the relationships based on love is just a matter of time. Lennon and McCartney, Simon and Garfunkel and many other non English-speaking artists, brothers and partners usually part in a bad way, because of their affection. Family-wise or friend-wise it doesn't matter, but surely it won't last forever. You're supposed to base your relationships on mutual respect.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 19, 2018, 05:32:08 PM
It's easy to tell Mark is a genius and David isn't. I'm not saying David isn't talented, he is, but compared to Mark he's just a good musician. It was also pretty evident that DS was MK and MK was DS, from the get go. David then had two options, he could have either accepted it like John did or fought it and eventually drop out to seek a solo career, which is what he ended up doing.
Putting it this way it looks like a no-brainer to me. My brother is one of the best musicians the world has ever seen! I'll stick around and serve his music, leading a comfortable life, playing my guitar around the world - and if at some point I feel like doing my own little thing I'll just use some of all this money I've made, record a solo album, put on a tour of some sort and then back to DS for another album, another tour, stability and so on. Sounds perfect, but... we do not know what it was like for David to be in the band at that time. What we do know really well by now is that Mark was a bit of a tyrant back then and it's quite likely that he would bully his little brother around.
At this point, assuming all the above is true, David decides to take another path and the rest is history. Or maybe David just wasn't ready to take the passenger's seat and let Mark do all the driving. So many variables...
In the end I just hope they leave whatever happened behind and allow themselves to be brothers in a broader sense again.
Post by: PensaGhost on January 19, 2018, 05:39:36 PM
When did David leave ? Not in 1994, Not in 1986, not even in 1984, but in 1980
At that time it was not necessarily clear how big Dire Straits would have become later and this might have led him to take the wrong decision that with hindsight he would have never taken
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 19, 2018, 05:45:19 PM
As I said, just my two cents...
Post by: PensaGhost on January 19, 2018, 06:23:38 PM
I didn't say that was what happened :lol
As I said, just my two cents...
of course
Post by: dmg on January 19, 2018, 06:40:13 PM
Ok, just my two cents on what triggered off the whole issue between the Knopflers - and based on the very little I know about it and bands in general.
It's easy to tell Mark is a genius and David isn't. I'm not saying David isn't talented, he is, but compared to Mark he's just a good musician. It was also pretty evident that DS was MK and MK was DS, from the get go. David then had two options, he could have either accepted it like John did or fought it and eventually drop out to seek a solo career, which is what he ended up doing.
A lot of good points there Ed. Seems David has a bigger ego than JI, so big that it wouldn't allow him to stay.
Post by: Marijo58 on January 19, 2018, 07:08:03 PM
Hello everybody. Of course David has a bigger ego than JI because he is MK little Brother. They share the same parents and the same education !! Beside David started to be interested by the Music like Mark. But they didn't have the same talent and the same ambition unfortunately for David... I feel sorry for him because he has a lot of frustration.. I really hope that they are able now to talk again like brothers usually do!!!Ok, just my two cents on what triggered off the whole issue between the Knopflers - and based on the very little I know about it and bands in general.
It's easy to tell Mark is a genius and David isn't. I'm not saying David isn't talented, he is, but compared to Mark he's just a good musician. It was also pretty evident that DS was MK and MK was DS, from the get go. David then had two options, he could have either accepted it like John did or fought it and eventually drop out to seek a solo career, which is what he ended up doing.
A lot of good points there Ed. Seems David has a bigger ego than JI, so big that it wouldn't allow him to stay.
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Post by: Marijo58 on January 19, 2018, 07:16:59 PM
So do I!! I think David is really trying to send a message of peace to Mark. And yes Mark should consider to work with his little brother before he dies.. It has always been my point of view for a long time now..http://www.cronacatorino.it/cultura-societa/intervista-david-knopfler-vorrei-lavorare-nuovo-mark.html
A new interview with David with some interesting stuff! It's in Italian, but I guess Google Translate can be used if you don't speak the language...
Among other things, he says he would like to work with his brother at least one more time before he dies.
I think it’s very nice of David to say it. He’s trying. But the truth is we don’t know much, perhaps he did something hard to be forgiven we don’t know about.
I hope they make peace though. It would be moving.
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Post by: Marijo58 on January 19, 2018, 07:21:04 PM
It's touchIng to see all those little resemblances in gesture, laughing, facial expressions, habits.. they are brothers without a doubt! Obviously both have a lot of their Dad in them..True LE...
LE
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Post by: Stanko on January 19, 2018, 07:21:15 PM
Mark himself explains some at 28:57, you want to try?
https://youtu.be/2ZXNSX3V2zs
Post by: Jules on January 19, 2018, 08:29:31 PM
there, there... ::)
Mark himself explains some at 28:57, you want to try?
https://youtu.be/2ZXNSX3V2zs
Can you explain?
Post by: Robson on January 19, 2018, 08:38:26 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on January 19, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
Mark, in the other hand, obviously knew he could and will "make it". I think it's the most important thing about Mark which you can learn from him — 10000000% believing to yourself. It's like this quote which is often attributed to John Lennon, something like "talent is the ability to believe in yourself". David had enough confidence to leave and had reasons for it (like ignoring of his songwriting), but not enough confidence to continue. If they had one father it doesn't mean they're the same people, right?
And it's kind of sad, because I don't think you can learn this craft of being an optimist like Mark, it's not just saying "today is the best day in my life", it's actually feeling like so.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 19, 2018, 09:37:50 PM
This documentary paints Mark Knopfler as an ignorant selfish monster, and the most funny thing is that he's getting painted by the people he doesn't work with anymore (David Knopfler and Ed Bicknell). Could it tell us something? I'm pretty sure it could. Like another old saying goes, "I don't have a bad temper — I have a temper". Creative people are often get in trouble communicating with people, because their partners often can't understand them, because they're on another level of thinking. One says "white" and the other says "black", you can't get something useful out of that combination.
Post by: PensaGhost on January 19, 2018, 09:57:12 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on January 19, 2018, 10:08:07 PM
Mark: "Just shut up!"
I'm feeling a strong possibility of a double meaning of this quote considering all the factors, but please don't try, I won't fight with you again.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 19, 2018, 11:40:40 PM
Ok, just my two cents on what triggered off the whole issue between the Knopflers - and based on the very little I know about it and bands in general.
It's easy to tell Mark is a genius and David isn't. I'm not saying David isn't talented, he is, but compared to Mark he's just a good musician. It was also pretty evident that DS was MK and MK was DS, from the get go. David then had two options, he could have either accepted it like John did or fought it and eventually drop out to seek a solo career, which is what he ended up doing.
A lot of good points there Ed. Seems David has a bigger ego than JI, so big that it wouldn't allow him to stay.
I think David failed to understand how lucky he was. John did not. Now John seems to be the most relaxed person in the world lol and not worried about his mortgage. Guess who was wiser...
Post by: Jules on January 20, 2018, 11:06:10 AM
Ok, just my two cents on what triggered off the whole issue between the Knopflers - and based on the very little I know about it and bands in general.
It's easy to tell Mark is a genius and David isn't. I'm not saying David isn't talented, he is, but compared to Mark he's just a good musician. It was also pretty evident that DS was MK and MK was DS, from the get go. David then had two options, he could have either accepted it like John did or fought it and eventually drop out to seek a solo career, which is what he ended up doing.
A lot of good points there Ed. Seems David has a bigger ego than JI, so big that it wouldn't allow him to stay.
I think David failed to understand how lucky he was. John did not. Now John seems to be the most relaxed person in the world lol and not worried about his mortgage. Guess who was wiser...
David was composing his own songs from even before DS early days and he continued while he was in DS but his songs never got further than some live concerts so he had musical ambitions that John didn't had.
David did the right thing for what he wanted to do. John maybe was writing songs as well, but he didn't mattered about them as much as David.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 20, 2018, 12:10:11 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 20, 2018, 12:22:20 PM
Post by: ds1984 on January 20, 2018, 01:41:12 PM
His own choice or the circumstances had him to do so?
Besides being his brother, David is the only member (apart Mark of course) to have his own material performed within the early days of DS that put him in a different situation than Pick and John.
So both David and Mark wanted to make it as composers but it turned out there was room for only one.
What happened afterwards?
We don't really know all the truth apart that Dave failed to get successful while the band he was previously in topped the charts.
Post by: JF on January 20, 2018, 02:43:03 PM
Sometimes all we need to do is to humble up, swallow our pride, put our ideals aside and enjoy the ride.
Excatly, and Mark did the total opposite at that time : David explains inthe Oldfield book that he didn't understand why all the world seemed to see in Mark an "ayatollah" when he just saw his brother.
You are all saying that David "chose" to leave. What is described in the Oldfield book is not exactly that. Mark was very selfish, he wanted that David to apologise, only for not having played a particular guitar part in the studio...so yes, "sometimes all we need to do si to humble up..." indeed, but Mark had to do it too imho
I think it's not that clear that David "left" the band. Even if he didn't leave at that time, I guess that Mark would have "fired" him up a few months/years later...
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 20, 2018, 03:39:05 PM
Sometimes all we need to do is to humble up, swallow our pride, put our ideals aside and enjoy the ride.
Excatly, and Mark did the total opposite at that time : David explains inthe Oldfield book that he didn't understand why all the world seemed to see in Mark an "ayatollah" when he just saw his brother.
You are all saying that David "chose" to leave. What is described in the Oldfield book is not exactly that. Mark was very selfish, he wanted that David to apologise, only for not having played a particular guitar part in the studio...so yes, "sometimes all we need to do si to humble up..." indeed, but Mark had to do it too imho
I think it's not that clear that David "left" the band. Even if he didn't leave at that time, I guess that Mark would have "fired" him up a few months/years later...
Absolutely, if David was to stay in the band he'd have to accept a secondary role and Mark's rules, including evolving as a musician. When I say that David left the band I mean he didn't want to accept it, the fact that Mark's protagonism was real, and that he, David, would have to subject himself to that, being just the little brother, playing rhythm guitar and doing backing vocals. I don't think Mark would have fired David if David had, let's say, adapted. Instead David wanted to prove himself, to show the world he wasn't just Mark's brother and that he was good enough to lead a successsful solo career. In the end he neither accepted Mark's ruling nor achieved success as a solo artist, at least not commercial success.
But as I said before, it's pretty feasible that David doesn't regret anything and is happy with his career. If you ask me I think he just wants to make peace with his brother and reunite the family. That must be painful having nephews and nieces he doesn't know at all. And it applies to Mark as well, I might be mistaken but David has children too.
Come on guys, leave all the crap behind and be a family again will you.
Now just imagine the scene. David enters Mark's office, Mark gets up, they look into each other's eyes. David is a little timid. They share a smile and then Mark finally says 'come here brother, give me a hug'. They never discuss the past, always forward, just like Mark sees his music. How about that? I almost dropped a tear just picturing it :clap
Post by: Trawlerman on January 20, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
I would never blame David for being ambitious, especially when you are young, but let's face the music, he's recorded dozens of songs since he left DS and despite some being very good none of them comes close to what Mark had or has produced. I think his ego - combined with the fact that Mark's attitude wasn't easy to put up with - prevented him from making better choices if you will. Yes, he'd been writing songs, but he could've recorded them without having to leave DS. Now it all comes down to how David feels about his choices. Perhaps he's happy with how things developed after the breakup and just wants his big brother back. All we can do is to wonder what we would've done instead based on the very limited knowledge we have on the matter. Me? I'd have stuck around, put up with Mark's behaviour, studied a lot to become an even better guitar player and made a leaving out of what my brother built. Sometimes all we need to do is to humble up, swallow our pride, put our ideals aside and enjoy the ride.
It's a shame some of David's songs didn't make it on DS albums though. I mean, take a listen to Bernadette, great song, and could have easily found its place on DS first album.
It seems clear to me Mark never wanted to share the success. I'm sorry to say that but I always had the feeling I wouldn't appreciate Mark Knopfler, the human being.
I don't know him, I love him as an artist and it's probably better not to know more about him. He doesn't seem to be the easiest and nicest guy to have around.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 20, 2018, 04:10:11 PM
It's a shame some of David's songs didn't make it on DS albums though. I mean, take a listen to Bernadette, great song, and could have easily found its place on DS first album.
It seems clear to me Mark never wanted to share the success. I'm sorry to say that but I always had the feeling I wouldn't appreciate Mark Knopfler, the human being.
I don't know him, I love him as an artist and it's probably better not to know more about him. He doesn't seem to be the easiest and nicest guy to have around.
I agree, Bernadette is a good song indeed, but... is it better than any song that made the final cut? Because if you include it just because it's David's you'll be doing it for the wrong reason. I'm not saying Mark's the nicest person in the world but I don't think it's about not wanting to share the success either. He probably thought his songs were better. And they were! :lol
Post by: Robson on January 20, 2018, 04:40:02 PM
Post by: dmg on January 20, 2018, 06:32:11 PM
Ok, just my two cents on what triggered off the whole issue between the Knopflers - and based on the very little I know about it and bands in general.
It's easy to tell Mark is a genius and David isn't. I'm not saying David isn't talented, he is, but compared to Mark he's just a good musician. It was also pretty evident that DS was MK and MK was DS, from the get go. David then had two options, he could have either accepted it like John did or fought it and eventually drop out to seek a solo career, which is what he ended up doing.
A lot of good points there Ed. Seems David has a bigger ego than JI, so big that it wouldn't allow him to stay.
I think David failed to understand how lucky he was. John did not. Now John seems to be the most relaxed person in the world lol and not worried about his mortgage. Guess who was wiser...
Yeah, I wonder what David thinks now when he looks at the way John's life/career has worked out...
Post by: Robson on January 20, 2018, 06:40:56 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 20, 2018, 06:57:13 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on January 20, 2018, 07:34:49 PM
Yeah, I wonder what David thinks now when he looks at the way John's life/career has worked out...
imagine David's reaction with each new DS album coming out , probably "omg"
Post by: JF on January 21, 2018, 12:13:46 AM
I do not understand. No one knows MK personally. Why do you write that it is unpleasant, etc. Strangeit is simply based on interviews by others members, and some passages in the Oldfield Book.
Oldfield was very close to the band and Mark's friend, and his book was approved by the band , including Mark, so we can rely on what is written in this book, more than on others
Post by: Robson on January 21, 2018, 02:08:06 AM
Post by: Mossguitar on January 21, 2018, 02:33:50 AM
It is not enough. There are many interviews with MK and repeat that a very nice kind guy.I absolutely agree!
Post by: Kris-b on January 21, 2018, 08:44:36 AM
Post by: Jules on January 21, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
It is not enough. There are many interviews with MK and repeat that a very nice kind guy.
Just because someone is kind during interviews doesn't means is kind in the real world... Being kind during interviews is a strategy.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 21, 2018, 12:16:15 PM
I think it always depends from which perspective people talk about him. If you had problems with him, you are more likely to say something negative and if get on well, you praise him!
This is so true! Mark as you imagine have higher standards than most of the people, so inevitably there'll be some people who's merely underqualified and have lower standards. Their choice is either going to war, going to leave or just doing their thing leaving MK alone. As I said earlier, Mark can be underqualified in other areas just as well, so nobody's perfect. If it doesn't work, stop doing it, if it works — continue doing it. As simple as that!
Post by: Love Expresso on January 21, 2018, 01:17:18 PM
LE
Post by: Robson on January 21, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 21, 2018, 07:02:19 PM
Post by: Stanko on January 21, 2018, 07:21:07 PM
"people call me lucky but I'll say you, you make your own"
Post by: JF on January 21, 2018, 07:29:44 PM
I only try to make links between some interviews, facts writen in some books, facts relied by other persons, etc... that's all, and I think most of us do the same.
I love his music, but I see him as a human person with good and bad sides, like all people.
That's why I don't always like the "fan" point of view which says he was always right and other were always wrong (like with David or later with other members).
I just wanted to say that of course nothing is black or white, and recent posts had focused on the fact that David may have regreted his "choice" to leave the band. My opinion is that, maybe, he didn't have really the choice, but that's only speculation, and by saying that I am not judging Mark.
Post by: asouza on January 21, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
Post by: Pottel on January 21, 2018, 08:10:37 PM
subject of the topic completely changed! Should be news about hall of fame, don´t should? :thinkTrue
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Post by: Jules on January 21, 2018, 08:14:28 PM
He wasn't happy in the band. He was happy and enjoyed his solo career. He always said that.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 21, 2018, 08:58:29 PM
Post by: Marijo58 on January 21, 2018, 09:12:48 PM
I don't think David regret leaving DS. I think David regret breaking the relationship with his brother.That's what I suppose how David feels!! Never easy to break a relationship with a sibling !! But I want to believe that deep down inside Mark has the same feelings. Afterall he is a normal human being.... He just doesn't want to speak to the media about that.... David is different on this point. Medias are the only way for him to reach out to MK.. Not an easy situation after all these years !!
He wasn't happy in the band. He was happy and enjoyed his solo career. He always said that.
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Post by: Robson on January 21, 2018, 09:24:03 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on January 21, 2018, 09:48:00 PM
Someone wrote here that David talked badly about Mark over the years. Public in the media. Mark never. It probably is not right
He talked... With no talking. Usually when asked about David MK gets extremely uncomfortable and just mumble a couple of default words.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 21, 2018, 09:57:19 PM
Post by: Robson on January 21, 2018, 10:09:34 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on January 21, 2018, 10:19:47 PM
What does it mean to mumble ?
To say something fast and unclearly, as if you're uncertain about it or obviously want to take the discussion in the other direction.
It's like when Mark was asked about cancelling his shows in Russia in 2013, all he said was "It was a good thing to do. Next question".
Post by: JF on January 21, 2018, 11:32:30 PM
Going [almost] back to topic, I just realised there's also Songwriters Hall of Fame. There's no MK, but there's Jay Z in it. Should I say something?;D ;D ;D
Post by: JF on January 21, 2018, 11:34:40 PM
Eurovision song context is even better than this thing.
:o :o :o
Post by: quizzaciously on January 21, 2018, 11:55:47 PM
Eurovision song context is even better than this thing.
:o :o :o
Because all this Hall Of Fame Of Something thing isn't about achievements, but more like a random award given to random people. I understand Oscars, at least this award is about some kind of achievements, but HOF is more like a honorary Oscar — just to indicate that "we thought to give you this award, but here you have it, when you doesn't need it anymore". Charlie Chaplin got his Oscar 5 years before his death. Is this okay? Why not to give Radiohead the award, but The Moody Blues is okay?
Every one of these awards cheapens everything the artists do in my opinion, so the best way to recognise it is refuse to take it. I'm shocked that people even have an option to talk about the DS reunion. Reunion because of this? I think my birthday is a better cause for Dire Straits to go for a reunion.
Give Mark a knighthood and there'll be no questions about wether Alan Clark or David Knopfler should take it. Crystal clear, no questions about it, alcohol free award. By the way, Sir Roger Moore was knighted because of his "services to charity" and he was very proud of it. Because he got it not for his acting even.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 22, 2018, 10:58:45 AM
subject of the topic completely changed! Should be news about hall of fame, don´t should? :think
We're just socializing and philosophizing in between news lol but it ends up being about the topic considering that these issues are what will most likely prevent DS from performing at the cerimony.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 22, 2018, 11:03:06 AM
Going [almost] back to topic, I just realised there's also Songwriters Hall of Fame. There's no MK, but there's Jay Z in it. Should I say something?
Well, if you consider that Greenday is in the RRHOF...
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 22, 2018, 11:04:18 AM
Eurovision song context is even better than this thing.
:o :o :o
Because all this Hall Of Fame Of Something thing isn't about achievements, but more like a random award given to random people. I understand Oscars, at least this award is about some kind of achievements, but HOF is more like a honorary Oscar — just to indicate that "we thought to give you this award, but here you have it, when you doesn't need it anymore". Charlie Chaplin got his Oscar 5 years before his death. Is this okay? Why not to give Radiohead the award, but The Moody Blues is okay?
Every one of these awards cheapens everything the artists do in my opinion, so the best way to recognise it is refuse to take it. I'm shocked that people even have an option to talk about the DS reunion. Reunion because of this? I think my birthday is a better cause for Dire Straits to go for a reunion.
Give Mark a knighthood and there'll be no questions about wether Alan Clark or David Knopfler should take it. Crystal clear, no questions about it, alcohol free award. By the way, Sir Roger Moore was knighted because of his "services to charity" and he was very proud of it. Because he got it not for his acting even.
Radiohead sucks! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: caci99 on January 22, 2018, 11:12:33 AM
Going [almost] back to topic, I just realised there's also Songwriters Hall of Fame. There's no MK, but there's Jay Z in it. Should I say something?Are you for real!? :smack :lol :lol
Well, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is definitely not an award for artistic achievements, is more about popularity. It is not a great way to reward a lifetime of musical achievements, but it's what it is.
I have no nerves to go and check who is on this Hall, but I wonder if JJ Cale ever made into it.
Post by: Jules on January 24, 2018, 06:22:18 PM
. Your Chance to Score Induction Ceremony Tickets is Coming
Starting at 10 am ET on Thursday, February 8 tickets for the 33rd annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will be released for public sale.
Ticket prices range from $90 to $500. All sales have a limit of two [2] tickets per transaction.
Tickets will be available online at ticketmaster.com or by calling Ticketmaster directly at 1-800-745-3000.
Any of you would buy tickets just in case?
As long as MK doesn't confirm or deny it's presence and if they will play or not... It's a big bet.
Post by: Pottel on January 24, 2018, 06:39:14 PM
Tickets go on sale very soon90 i would consider a small bet. Not much more though
. Your Chance to Score Induction Ceremony Tickets is Coming
Starting at 10 am ET on Thursday, February 8 tickets for the 33rd annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will be released for public sale.
Ticket prices range from $90 to $500. All sales have a limit of two [2] tickets per transaction.
Tickets will be available online at ticketmaster.com or by calling Ticketmaster directly at 1-800-745-3000.
Any of you would buy tickets just in case?
As long as MK doesn't confirm or deny it's presence and if they will play or not... It's a big bet.
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Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 11:12:41 AM
Official Simulcast Tickets
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Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 03:29:49 PM
Post by: cannibals on January 25, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
Probably they will be there but i doubt if they will perform.
Post by: Trawlerman on January 25, 2018, 05:41:37 PM
Apparently we'll be getting a new diary entry and news on the RRHOF cerimony within the next few days. I don't know but I have a very strong feeling that Alan's band might have triggered off a DS reunion for the event. Without Alan.
You mean without Mark and Guy ? ;D
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 06:14:10 PM
Apparently we'll be getting a new diary entry and news on the RRHOF cerimony within the next few days. I don't know but I have a very strong feeling that Alan's band might have triggered off a DS reunion for the event. Without Alan.
You mean without Mark and Guy ? ;D
No, without Alan.
Post by: Trawlerman on January 25, 2018, 06:23:25 PM
Apparently we'll be getting a new diary entry and news on the RRHOF cerimony within the next few days. I don't know but I have a very strong feeling that Alan's band might have triggered off a DS reunion for the event. Without Alan.
You mean without Mark and Guy ? ;D
No, without Alan.
I was just joking
But still, why would Alan miss this ? He's an inductee and has every right to be there without MK's approval.
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 06:25:22 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 06:51:59 PM
What if Mark contacts the HOF and says that he'll play at the ceremony as long as Alan is not on stage? Mark can't forbid Alan to show up and grab his award but the HOF can't force Mark to play with Alan either. So, if you were the president of the HOF, would you accept Mark's terms or say no to him? I think it's a no-brainer, don't you think?
Post by: cannibals on January 25, 2018, 07:11:37 PM
Or do you all think a DS reunion wil be published true Guy's website....
Post by: Trawlerman on January 25, 2018, 07:17:02 PM
LOL I used to like Alan very much indeed. Still do as a musician though. Anyway, I don't see Mark performing live with Alan again any time soon.
What if Mark contacts the HOF and says that he'll play at the ceremony as long as Alan is not on stage? Mark can't forbid Alan to show up and grab his award but the HOF can't force Mark to play with Alan either. So, if you were the president of the HOF, would you accept Mark's terms or say no to him? I think it's a no-brainer, don't you think?
Well, RnRHoF can't forbid Alan to show up either.
They'll probably try to arrange the situation between all protagonists though. But they can't forbid an inductee to show up. The no brainer would have been no induction for Alan.
Post by: Trawlerman on January 25, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
Guy on his forum saying he will have some news about the induction next week. :think
Probably they will be there but i doubt if they will perform.
His answer was very neutral
'If you'd like to go then' buy some tickets. Sounds like 'whatever'
And saying he will give some news later sounds to me 'but you'd rather wait a little bit, I have some bad news but I can't tell yet'
IMHO MK fans shouldn't rush on tickets because it may be not worth it.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 07:35:28 PM
LOL I used to like Alan very much indeed. Still do as a musician though. Anyway, I don't see Mark performing live with Alan again any time soon.
What if Mark contacts the HOF and says that he'll play at the ceremony as long as Alan is not on stage? Mark can't forbid Alan to show up and grab his award but the HOF can't force Mark to play with Alan either. So, if you were the president of the HOF, would you accept Mark's terms or say no to him? I think it's a no-brainer, don't you think?
Well, RnRHoF can't forbid Alan to show up either.
They'll probably try to arrange the situation between all protagonists though. But they can't forbid an inductee to show up. The no brainer would have been no induction for Alan.
I ask you to read more carefully what I wrote.
Post by: Trawlerman on January 25, 2018, 07:42:16 PM
LOL I used to like Alan very much indeed. Still do as a musician though. Anyway, I don't see Mark performing live with Alan again any time soon.
What if Mark contacts the HOF and says that he'll play at the ceremony as long as Alan is not on stage? Mark can't forbid Alan to show up and grab his award but the HOF can't force Mark to play with Alan either. So, if you were the president of the HOF, would you accept Mark's terms or say no to him? I think it's a no-brainer, don't you think?
Well, RnRHoF can't forbid Alan to show up either.
They'll probably try to arrange the situation between all protagonists though. But they can't forbid an inductee to show up. The no brainer would have been no induction for Alan.
I ask you to read more carefully what I wrote.
And it's what I've done.
Mark is no God you know, it is RnRHoF rules.
Like I said in a previous post, Guns N'Roses has been inducted 2 or 3 years ago.
The ONLY members who were there were former members of the band. Axl Rose, the equivalent of Mark Knopfler didn't show up at all.
Former members + a singer who NEVER actually played in the band performed that night.
You see, it will happen with or without MK.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 07:53:55 PM
Post by: Trawlerman on January 25, 2018, 08:09:42 PM
Oh god... did I say it wouldn’t? I asked if you, as the person in charge, would prefer to have Mark, John, David, Guy and Pick playing, as Mark could hypothetically demand, or Alan and whoever wants to join him instead? It’s not about rules, it’s an administrative decision. The HOF can do whatever they want, it’s a private organization.
You give me only 2 choices
I'd prefer to have all inductees perform together because that's how it is supposed to be, that's how it is traditionally designed.
But it rarely happens to be like that. So I guess it doesn't really matter what the president wishes or not. At the end of the day it's the inductees choice.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
If Guy says he’ll have news next week that’s because arrangements and decisions are being made, it’s pretty obvious. And quite frankly, after all this Legacy bs I truly hope Alan is left out if they do perform.
Post by: PensaGhost on January 25, 2018, 09:03:31 PM
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 09:34:15 PM
If Mark says he will play only if Alan doesn’t play it does become a yes or no matter. Mark is extremely disappointed in Alan, sharing the stage with him is not an option, that won’t happen.
If Guy says he’ll have news next week that’s because arrangements and decisions are being made, it’s pretty obvious. And quite frankly, after all this Legacy bs I truly hope Alan is left out if they do perform.
I honestly think that you care about this far more than MK himself.
He probably won't mind to share a stage with Alan or whoever for a ceremony like this. But further than this, no, for sure.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 10:33:59 PM
Post by: Pottel on January 25, 2018, 11:37:27 PM
I’d agree with you if he hadn’t written a very direct song about it lolWhich most of us assume to be about this topic, but truly no one knows
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Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 11:47:29 PM
I’d agree with you if he hadn’t written a very direct song about it lolWhich most of us assume to be about this topic, but truly no one knows
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Yeah, perhaps that’s about Queen :think :lol
Post by: cannibals on February 01, 2018, 11:09:07 AM
But with Guy :think :think :think you'll never know.
Post by: Jules on February 01, 2018, 11:56:18 AM
Guy is saying he will travel to the US in april on his forum.
But with Guy :think :think :think you'll never know.
I saw it but didn't connect the dots...
Post by: Eddie Fox on February 01, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
Everything is a mistery these days. Should we contact Snowden?
Post by: cannibals on February 01, 2018, 11:21:11 PM
Ask me again in a week he replied....
Post by: cannibals on February 02, 2018, 11:03:32 AM
There is for sure something going on i think....
Post by: Eddie Fox on February 03, 2018, 01:03:33 AM
And he was asked today again. Guy now saying there is a delay on that. More in a week.
There is for sure something going on i think....
I don’t know if this something will lead to a performance but I agree, they must be discussing it at least.
Post by: cannibals on February 03, 2018, 11:36:03 AM
And he was asked today again. Guy now saying there is a delay on that. More in a week.
There is for sure something going on i think....
I don’t know if this something will lead to a performance but I agree, they must be discussing it at least.
And today Guy said that at this moment he don't know if DS will perform or not. I somehow believe him. It's all up to Mark and perhaps he still hasn't made up his mind yet....
Post by: Eddie Fox on February 03, 2018, 03:55:42 PM
And he was asked today again. Guy now saying there is a delay on that. More in a week.
There is for sure something going on i think....
I don’t know if this something will lead to a performance but I agree, they must be discussing it at least.
And today Guy said that at this moment he don't know if DS will perform or not. I somehow believe him. It's all up to Mark and perhaps he still hasn't made up his mind yet....
I said it a few days ago and say it again now: Mark probably imposed conditions that haven't been fullfilled and the parts are still negotiating.
My guess is Mark doesn't want to play with Alan - or maybe Mark agrees to play with him but just in case Alan stops using the DS brand the way he has been using it. The truth is nobody but them knows for sure what's happening behind the curtains but it's pretty obvious they are discussing the terms of a possible reunion for the event.
Post by: Jules on February 09, 2018, 11:03:50 AM
@Dmac:
I see no harm in asking Guy if MK will be at the induction. When there is some news Guy can share i’m sure he will.
Answer: He Will
A quick read could let you think that it means MK will be at the induction. But, typical mistake most of us do when asking Guy, finishing with a sentence that it's not the question but that's the one Guy answers...
"He Will" is the answer that "When there is some news Guy can share I'm sure he will", not to "MK will be at the induction"
My first read made me think there was already a confirmation of MK going to the induction but no... :(
Post by: Trawlerman on February 09, 2018, 11:18:30 AM
Check "Erwin" question in Guy's forum:
@Dmac:
I see no harm in asking Guy if MK will be at the induction. When there is some news Guy can share i’m sure he will.
Answer: He Will
A quick read could let you think that it means MK will be at the induction. But, typical mistake most of us do when asking Guy, finishing with a sentence that it's not the question but that's the one Guy answers...
"He Will" is the answer that "When there is some news Guy can share I'm sure he will", not to "MK will be at the induction"
My first read made me think there was already a confirmation of MK going to the induction but no... :(
I'd say it's a typical mistake for a non native English speaker / reader
Post by: Jules on February 09, 2018, 11:22:00 AM
Check "Erwin" question in Guy's forum:
@Dmac:
I see no harm in asking Guy if MK will be at the induction. When there is some news Guy can share i’m sure he will.
Answer: He Will
A quick read could let you think that it means MK will be at the induction. But, typical mistake most of us do when asking Guy, finishing with a sentence that it's not the question but that's the one Guy answers...
"He Will" is the answer that "When there is some news Guy can share I'm sure he will", not to "MK will be at the induction"
My first read made me think there was already a confirmation of MK going to the induction but no... :(
I'd say it's a typical mistake for a non native English speaker / reader
Funnily, Guy has deleted the answer, but he has left a dot undeleted ;D :lol
Post by: Trawlerman on February 09, 2018, 11:29:38 AM
Check "Erwin" question in Guy's forum:
@Dmac:
I see no harm in asking Guy if MK will be at the induction. When there is some news Guy can share i’m sure he will.
Answer: He Will
A quick read could let you think that it means MK will be at the induction. But, typical mistake most of us do when asking Guy, finishing with a sentence that it's not the question but that's the one Guy answers...
"He Will" is the answer that "When there is some news Guy can share I'm sure he will", not to "MK will be at the induction"
My first read made me think there was already a confirmation of MK going to the induction but no... :(
I'd say it's a typical mistake for a non native English speaker / reader
Funnily, Guy has deleted the answer, but he has left a dot undeleted ;D :lol
He doesn't want to be held responsible if people buy tickets for the ceremony just to see MK NOT being there probably.
I'm sure he would have given a hint or two if there actually was something worth buying an expensive ticket.
Dot could mean end of discussion
Post by: quizzaciously on February 09, 2018, 11:31:46 AM
But it strange to talk about yourself in third person.
I think he's right!
Post by: Trawlerman on February 09, 2018, 11:37:57 AM
But it strange to talk about yourself in the third person. Like,But it strange to talk about yourself in third person.
I think he's right!
That's what I do when people talk about me while I'm in the same room.
It's a way to show a bit of an annoyance
Post by: cannibals on February 09, 2018, 06:55:56 PM
Post by: MK_live on February 13, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
"Yes, Mark will be at the ceremony! We’re all very excited"
That is great news!
Kind regards,
Jeroen
Post by: Robson on February 13, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on February 13, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
I was contacted by someone from the hall of fame asking me about a photo he saw on my site. I took this opportunity to ask if MK will be at the ceremony. Reply (quote);
"Yes, Mark will be at the ceremony! We’re all very excited"
That is great news!
Kind regards,
Jeroen
Thank you for the info J
The key question remains if there's a performance or not and if so who performs
Post by: cannibals on February 13, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
I was contacted by someone from the hall of fame asking me about a photo he saw on my site. I took this opportunity to ask if MK will be at the ceremony. Reply (quote);
"Yes, Mark will be at the ceremony! We’re all very excited"
That is great news!
Kind regards,
Jeroen
Thanks for the info Jeroen!
So probably everybody will be there, don't know about Pick.
Question remains if they all will perform. To be honest, i think that will not happen.
Today Guy confirmed on his forum he also will be there, with or without MK.
Post by: MK_live on February 13, 2018, 07:55:53 PM
Post by: diremark86 on February 13, 2018, 08:23:08 PM
Post by: Pottel on February 13, 2018, 08:44:13 PM
I was contacted by someone from the hall of fame asking me about a photo he saw on my site. I took this opportunity to ask if MK will be at the ceremony. Reply (quote);Top info Jeroen!! Thnx
"Yes, Mark will be at the ceremony! We’re all very excited"
That is great news!
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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Post by: cannibals on February 13, 2018, 10:29:47 PM
I just sent the person another mail, asking if DS will perform on stage and if so, if MK will be part of the performance. Hoping to receive an answer to that, but I have no idea if that info will be shared already. We'll see. I will post the answer here once I receive it.
Now you're pushing it ;D
Post by: JF on February 13, 2018, 11:41:16 PM
Post by: rmarques821 on February 14, 2018, 04:36:05 AM
If Pick decides to go, it'll be quite emotional seeing the four of them side by side after almost 40 years.
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Post by: olazabalrok on February 16, 2018, 09:37:19 AM
Post by: cannibals on February 16, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Post by: superval99 on February 16, 2018, 09:54:48 AM
I hope Ed will be at the ceremony, as he was manager of DS. He was very kind to me at the Golden Heart concert in Leeds. I was standing next to him at the concert - he signed my tour booklet and, as I am a bit on the short side, he made sure I was able to see OK! He also told me that he was very nervous!
Post by: Jules on February 16, 2018, 10:30:09 AM
Anyone think Ed Bicknell’s going to be there? Here’s something I don’t remember reading before: https://hullalumni.me/2015/12/17/the-who-dire-straits-and-the-union-ents-committee/
He should be invited, he is a big part of the DS success too.
Post by: Pottel on February 16, 2018, 10:58:56 AM
Any feedback Jeroen?I just sent the person another mail, asking if DS will perform on stage and if so, if MK will be part of the performance. Hoping to receive an answer to that, but I have no idea if that info will be shared already. We'll see. I will post the answer here once I receive it.
Now you're pushing it ;D
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Post by: MK_live on February 16, 2018, 03:49:07 PM
Post by: cannibals on February 16, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Post by: Jules on February 16, 2018, 05:10:02 PM
Post by: cannibals on February 16, 2018, 05:41:11 PM
Actually it doesn't mean a thing. The hall of fame need to know how much people will attend to organise the event and MK should had said yes just in case he goes. Saying you're not going one week before is easier that saying you go in the last moment.
Help me out here but why does the hall of fame need to know how much people will attend? Is this not sold out every year??
Post by: Jules on February 16, 2018, 05:46:46 PM
To this ceremony the audience that pay tickets are not the most important people.
Post by: cannibals on February 16, 2018, 05:59:53 PM
Members buy up all 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame ceremony simulcast tickets:
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/02/members_buy_up_all_2018_rock_r.html
Post by: ds1984 on February 16, 2018, 08:03:50 PM
Anyone think Ed Bicknell’s going to be there? Here’s something I don’t remember reading before: https://hullalumni.me/2015/12/17/the-who-dire-straits-and-the-union-ents-committee/
He should be invited, he is a big part of the DS success too.
He will for NHB induction
Post by: Jules on February 16, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
Anyone think Ed Bicknell’s going to be there? Here’s something I don’t remember reading before: https://hullalumni.me/2015/12/17/the-who-dire-straits-and-the-union-ents-committee/
He should be invited, he is a big part of the DS success too.
He will for NHB induction
LOL
Post by: asouza on February 16, 2018, 08:52:52 PM
They have to organize the tables for the inductees, guests etc, same if there is a dinner for them, organize the order and timing for the bands that are going to play etc etc many things that implies to know the number of guests.
To this ceremony the audience that pay tickets are not the most important people.
For organize the order and timing for the bands that are going to play, hall of fame already know now if DS will be play or not. :think
Post by: Pottel on February 17, 2018, 05:48:15 PM
Interesting but here is in the comments, with many replies from Ed, e.g. saying a straits concert would cost 285000£ a day on the oes tourAnyone think Ed Bicknell’s going to be there? Here’s something I don’t remember reading before: https://hullalumni.me/2015/12/17/the-who-dire-straits-and-the-union-ents-committee/
He should be invited, he is a big part of the DS success too.
He will for NHB induction
LOL
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Post by: Marijo58 on February 17, 2018, 06:00:00 PM
I was contacted by someone from the hall of fame asking me about a photo he saw on my site. I took this opportunity to ask if MK will be at the ceremony. Reply (quote);I really hope it's true and official.. Thanks for the info.
"Yes, Mark will be at the ceremony! We’re all very excited"
That is great news!
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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Post by: Eddie Fox on February 17, 2018, 06:07:42 PM
Post by: cannibals on February 26, 2018, 01:22:42 PM
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
Post by: border_reiver on February 26, 2018, 01:26:55 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
Post by: JF on February 26, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
Many bands keep good relations between members after separation
Post by: cannibals on February 26, 2018, 02:28:48 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
Even from ABBA there is 1 clip on YouTube where they perform all together on stage. That is from 3/4 years ago where Bjorn and Benny got some kind of reward. It was awful but they did it ;D
But is was also nice in a way....
Post by: quizzaciously on February 26, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
Not only the grumpiest, but also one of the most "expensive" bands to do a proper reunion. I heard many times about ABBA turning down multi-million offers, and I'm pretty sure Mark always get those, too, and refuse to do it even if it would double his entire net worth. I respect that.
Post by: cannibals on February 26, 2018, 08:44:20 PM
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/dr-fletch-questions/
Although i think a simple yes or no would do fine. With yes, a lot of fans are happy and after a few days everybody moves on and with a no some will be dissapointed. Either way it stops all the questions on his forum about this subject. My point i think is to be clear about it. I know it is his forum and he can only speake for Guy but after working with MK for more then 30 years it is unavoidible that people are asking those kind off questions.
Post by: cannibals on March 05, 2018, 11:13:03 AM
Post by: Robson on March 05, 2018, 11:15:59 AM
Post by: Pottel on March 05, 2018, 11:19:10 AM
As I understood abba were offered 1 billion and turned it downhttp://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
Not only the grumpiest, but also one of the most "expensive" bands to do a proper reunion. I heard many times about ABBA turning down multi-million offers, and I'm pretty sure Mark always get those, too, and refuse to do it even if it would double his entire net worth. I respect that.
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Post by: dmg on March 05, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
As I understood abba were offered 1 billion and turned it down
Not only the grumpiest, but also one of the most "expensive" bands to do a proper reunion. I heard many times about ABBA turning down multi-million offers, and I'm pretty sure Mark always get those, too, and refuse to do it even if it would double his entire net worth. I respect that.
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Was that to do a show in India? Rupeeee!
Post by: Pottel on March 05, 2018, 01:04:35 PM
Lol no, it was £ or €As I understood abba were offered 1 billion and turned it down
Not only the grumpiest, but also one of the most "expensive" bands to do a proper reunion. I heard many times about ABBA turning down multi-million offers, and I'm pretty sure Mark always get those, too, and refuse to do it even if it would double his entire net worth. I respect that.
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Post by: PensaGhost on March 05, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 05, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Post by: thebandb on March 08, 2018, 07:58:00 PM
Who knows...
Post by: Pottel on March 08, 2018, 08:35:14 PM
For what it's worth - and I don't want to get the hopes up too high - already a few months ago I heard somebody mention a possible date and place for a try-out of a certain band.And that possible place theoretically could be....?
Who knows...
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Post by: PensaGhost on March 08, 2018, 09:09:43 PM
For what it's worth - and I don't want to get the hopes up too high - already a few months ago I heard somebody mention a possible date and place for a try-out of a certain band.
Who knows...
pretty strong first post
Post by: cannibals on March 08, 2018, 09:14:56 PM
For what it's worth - and I don't want to get the hopes up too high - already a few months ago I heard somebody mention a possible date and place for a try-out of a certain band.
Who knows...
For the original BonJovi line up :smack
Post by: Dutchessy on March 09, 2018, 09:39:40 AM
Post by: cannibals on March 09, 2018, 09:57:39 AM
Post by: Robson on March 09, 2018, 10:20:04 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 09, 2018, 12:31:14 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on March 09, 2018, 01:04:53 PM
But there was a message here that Mark would be in Cleveland. So Mark, John, David, Guy, Alan ... And that's interesting :)
DK said some members. I wonder if MK be there. DK's message doesn't sound that promising. :think
Post by: cannibals on March 09, 2018, 01:06:08 PM
I said it a few months ago, if DS do not perform I hope the event invites someone like John Mayer, Keith Urban or Vince Gill to play some tunes. That would be good enough for me.
Who will induct them? I think EC would be nice :thumbsup
Post by: dmg on March 09, 2018, 01:21:17 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 09, 2018, 01:29:47 PM
Post by: Robson on March 09, 2018, 01:35:40 PM
Post by: dmg on March 09, 2018, 02:24:39 PM
But how? If Mark is there and will someone else play DS? I do not understand anything anymore :think ::)
That would be a little strange. Like he is not able to play any more and requires someone else to play DS tunes for him. I wouldn't like it.
Just go on stage, let the folkies take the strain, play Haul Away and collect the award. ;)
Post by: PensaGhost on March 09, 2018, 02:31:13 PM
Just don't play anything and that's it
Post by: superval99 on March 09, 2018, 02:32:13 PM
But how? If Mark is there and will someone else play DS? I do not understand anything anymore :think ::)
That would be a little strange. Like he is not able to play any more and requires someone else to play DS tunes for him. I wouldn't like it.
Just go on stage, let the folkies take the strain, play Haul Away and collect the award. ;)
Oh yes! The same as at the BBC Folk Awards. That sounds fine and MK can play in comfort! ;) Just one snag - the folkies have nothing to do with DS and Haul Away isn't a DS song! :smack
Post by: Robson on March 09, 2018, 02:32:38 PM
Post by: asouza on March 09, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
Someone else playing DS tunes would be horrible for me, worst outcome possible
Just don't play anything and that's it
my opinion too
Post by: Robson on March 09, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
Post by: allen on March 09, 2018, 03:21:09 PM
Post by: Elin N on March 09, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Post by: DS on March 09, 2018, 07:21:05 PM
Imagine them all back together playing Les Boys, revisited with a folky ending because Mark felt like so.
Post by: Jules on March 09, 2018, 07:31:08 PM
Post by: cannibals on March 09, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Is it really that he does not get along anymore with his brother and AC, is that really the reason?????
Post by: Jules on March 09, 2018, 07:52:56 PM
Post by: caci99 on March 09, 2018, 08:22:17 PM
Don't picture him as some selfish egocentric spoiled old man, he is within his right to play or not. He has played thousands of times in front of fans when he felt he could deliver, there are so few musicians who can claim that have been on the road for the fans as Mark has been since day one. He is a lot more comfortable now with songs like Basil or Kingdome of gold or Ragpicker's dream or Privateer and so on.
Would have been it nice to see him play again with John, David and Pick? Maybe only to the satisfaction of seeing them together again, not to the playing itself. For example, I found nothing terrible with Led Zeppelin sitting in the hall when Stairway to Heaven was played on stage at their honoring on Kennedy awards 2012 I believe. On the contrary, you would feel satisfaction as an artist to see younger generation still playing your music.
Whatever his choice is, I will respect that, he has given so much to me through his music I can never repay. He has earned a free pass so to speak :)
Post by: Lis on March 09, 2018, 08:24:03 PM
By the way, anyone else here getting the feeling they are reading a current version of Aesop's fable, “The Man, the Boy, and the Donkey”? :D
Post by: Robson on March 09, 2018, 08:37:28 PM
Beautifully written. Me too :)
Post by: Love Expresso on March 09, 2018, 08:42:08 PM
Going to the ceremony, when all the rest of bands said they will perform, and not perform... To me it's ridiculous, like saying "I'm so special that we will be the only band inducted that is not playing".
Totally agree!
LE
Post by: Dutchessy on March 09, 2018, 09:12:18 PM
Time will tell.
Post by: Jules on March 09, 2018, 09:34:17 PM
This isn't about differences guys. Mark is a "stubborn" person and he stands by his decision and the reasons behind those. Most probably he doesn't want to revisit Dire Straits for the same reasons he took his solo career, beside he is old now and past his capability to play the way he played with DS, he most probably doesn't want to destroy his songs, his own creations, for the sake of some nostalgic reunion.
He's been destroying Sultans for years already, at least if he did it at least he would been destroying it with the old members of the band...
Post by: PensaGhost on March 09, 2018, 09:51:04 PM
for example Money for Nothing and Calling Elvis, one very well known and the other is the opener for the last live album,
would work and would be great
Post by: rmarques821 on March 09, 2018, 09:53:23 PM
They could simply play a couple of songs that are rock just because of the sound and don't need much speed,
for example Money for Nothing and Calling Elvis, one very well known and the other is the opener for the last live album,
would work and would be great
Mark playing Calling Elvis nowadays? That would be absolutely catastrophic!
Post by: PensaGhost on March 09, 2018, 10:01:03 PM
They could simply play a couple of songs that are rock just because of the sound and don't need much speed,
for example Money for Nothing and Calling Elvis, one very well known and the other is the opener for the last live album,
would work and would be great
Mark playing Calling Elvis nowadays? That would be absolutely catastrophic!
why? Sultans and Telegraph have lost too much speed, Calling Elvis could be played slow
anyway it's just dreaming, he won't play anything and maybe not even attend
Post by: cannibals on March 09, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
Post by: Don70 on March 10, 2018, 12:04:46 AM
Post by: JF on March 10, 2018, 12:13:08 AM
Going to the ceremony, when all the rest of bands said they will perform, and not perform... To me it's ridiculous, like saying "I'm so special that we will be the only band inducted that is not playing".
Totally agree!
LE
+1
Post by: JF on March 10, 2018, 12:16:44 AM
This isn't about differences guys. Mark is a "stubborn" person and he stands by his decision and the reasons behind those. Most probably he doesn't want to revisit Dire Straits for the same reasons he took his solo career, beside he is old now and past his capability to play the way he played with DS, he most probably doesn't want to destroy his songs, his own creations, for the sake of some nostalgic reunion.
Don't picture him as some selfish egocentric spoiled old man, he is within his right to play or not. He has played thousands of times in front of fans when he felt he could deliver, there are so few musicians who can claim that have been on the road for the fans as Mark has been since day one. He is a lot more comfortable now with songs like Basil or Kingdome of gold or Ragpicker's dream or Privateer and so on.
Would have been it nice to see him play again with John, David and Pick? Maybe only to the satisfaction of seeing them together again, not to the playing itself. For example, I found nothing terrible with Led Zeppelin sitting in the hall when Stairway to Heaven was played on stage at their honoring on Kennedy awards 2012 I believe. On the contrary, you would feel satisfaction as an artist to see younger generation still playing your music.
Whatever his choice is, I will respect that, he has given so much to me through his music I can never repay. He has earned a free pass so to speak :)
maybe with bankers, BMW directors or private rich mens in the assistance, he would play .... ? :disbelief
Post by: Pottel on March 10, 2018, 12:34:27 AM
He's hardly been destroying Sultans. Does he play it like be used to? No. But, destroying it? Little dramatic, don't you think?Agree
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Post by: Pottel on March 10, 2018, 12:35:17 AM
ExaggeratedThis isn't about differences guys. Mark is a "stubborn" person and he stands by his decision and the reasons behind those. Most probably he doesn't want to revisit Dire Straits for the same reasons he took his solo career, beside he is old now and past his capability to play the way he played with DS, he most probably doesn't want to destroy his songs, his own creations, for the sake of some nostalgic reunion.
He's been destroying Sultans for years already, at least if he did it at least he would been destroying it with the old members of the band...
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Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 12:37:37 AM
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 12:41:00 AM
A big exaggeration
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 10, 2018, 12:43:29 AM
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 02:37:39 AM
Post by: Don70 on March 10, 2018, 04:58:40 AM
Post by: Fletch on March 10, 2018, 05:38:10 AM
Fully agree.
By the way, anyone else here getting the feeling they are reading a current version of Aesop's fable, “The Man, the Boy, and the Donkey”? :D
Yes! :) Except the AMIT version is a lot longer :(
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 01:06:45 PM
This isn't about differences guys. Mark is a "stubborn" person and he stands by his decision and the reasons behind those. Most probably he doesn't want to revisit Dire Straits for the same reasons he took his solo career, beside he is old now and past his capability to play the way he played with DS, he most probably doesn't want to destroy his songs, his own creations, for the sake of some nostalgic reunion.
Don't picture him as some selfish egocentric spoiled old man, he is within his right to play or not. He has played thousands of times in front of fans when he felt he could deliver, there are so few musicians who can claim that have been on the road for the fans as Mark has been since day one. He is a lot more comfortable now with songs like Basil or Kingdome of gold or Ragpicker's dream or Privateer and so on.
Would have been it nice to see him play again with John, David and Pick? Maybe only to the satisfaction of seeing them together again, not to the playing itself. For example, I found nothing terrible with Led Zeppelin sitting in the hall when Stairway to Heaven was played on stage at their honoring on Kennedy awards 2012 I believe. On the contrary, you would feel satisfaction as an artist to see younger generation still playing your music.
Whatever his choice is, I will respect that, he has given so much to me through his music I can never repay. He has earned a free pass so to speak :)
maybe with bankers, BMW directors or private rich mens in the assistance, he would play .... ? :disbelief
NO DOUBT
He did it already...
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 01:10:38 PM
If in the future I will be at the concert of Marek Knopfler and will not play Sultans, I will be very sad.
That already happened during most of the Privateering tour and nobody died...
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
He's hardly been destroying Sultans. Does he play it like be used to? No. But, destroying it? Little dramatic, don't you think?Agree
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I was just answering this
This isn't about differences guys. Mark is a "stubborn" person and he stands by his decision and the reasons behind those. Most probably he doesn't want to revisit Dire Straits for the same reasons he took his solo career, beside he is old now and past his capability to play the way he played with DS, he most probably doesn't want to destroy his songs, his own creations, for the sake of some nostalgic reunion.
Sultans is by far the most complicate song he would play at this ceremony, so if this user says MK doesnt want to play DS songs with the ex members because he doesnt want to destroy them... following that argumentation, it's a been late... he already destroyed the DS songs during his solo tours. Specially Sultans, everytime I listen it live I fear when it reachs the end with the guitar solos, it's quite painful sometimes.
Post by: Pottel on March 10, 2018, 01:29:21 PM
MkayHe's hardly been destroying Sultans. Does he play it like be used to? No. But, destroying it? Little dramatic, don't you think?Agree
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I was just answering thisThis isn't about differences guys. Mark is a "stubborn" person and he stands by his decision and the reasons behind those. Most probably he doesn't want to revisit Dire Straits for the same reasons he took his solo career, beside he is old now and past his capability to play the way he played with DS, he most probably doesn't want to destroy his songs, his own creations, for the sake of some nostalgic reunion.
Sultans is by far the most complicate song he would play at this ceremony, so if this user says MK doesnt want to play DS songs with the ex members because he doesnt want to destroy them... following that argumentation, it's a been late... he already destroyed the DS songs during his solo tours. Specially Sultans, everytime I listen it live I fear when it reachs the end with the guitar solos, it's quite painful sometimes.
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Post by: Pottel on March 10, 2018, 01:43:22 PM
Marek knopfler, gotta love autocorrectIf in the future I will be at the concert of Marek Knopfler and will not play Sultans, I will be very sad.
That already happened during most of the Privateering tour and nobody died...
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Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 02:12:24 PM
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 02:17:32 PM
I think the same. Thanks Don70 :)
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 02:18:33 PM
Mark once said that Sultans plays differently each time :) I will defend this song
I didn't miss it during Privateering tour.
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 02:23:24 PM
Post by: dmg on March 10, 2018, 02:52:30 PM
Mark once said that Sultans plays differently each time :) I will defend this song
I didn't miss it during Privateering tour.
I will defend it too. A lot of people were disappointed not to hear it, especially the "tourists" who are already deprived of WOL, MFN and BIA. It's his signature tune and even though it isn't performed the way it used to be it still deserves its place in the set.
Post by: dmg on March 10, 2018, 02:58:00 PM
Going to the ceremony, when all the rest of bands said they will perform, and not perform... To me it's ridiculous, like saying "I'm so special that we will be the only band inducted that is not playing".
Totally agree!
LE
I don't think that Mark feels comfortable enough playing to televised audiences these days guys. He'd never do a Live Aid now - not even a Monserrat. I don't think it's a case of thinking he's too important.
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 02:59:38 PM
:thumbsup
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 03:00:07 PM
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Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 03:01:59 PM
"I don't think that Mark feels comfortable enough playing to televised audiences these days guys. He'd never do a Live Aid now - not even a Monserrat. I don't think it's a case of thinking he's too important"
:thumbsup
You don't need to use " to quote what others said, you can click QUOTE instead of REPLY.
Is easier to read to anybody.
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 03:15:46 PM
"I don't think that Mark feels comfortable enough playing to televised audiences these days guys. He'd never do a Live Aid now - not even a Monserrat. I don't think it's a case of thinking he's too important"
:thumbsup
You don't need to use " to quote what others said, you can click QUOTE instead of REPLY.
Is easier to read to anybody.
Of course. Thank you :)
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
"I will defend it too. A lot of people were disappointed not to hear it, especially the "tourists" who are already deprived of WOL, MFN and BIA. It's his signature tune and even though it isn't performed the way it used to be it still deserves its place in the set"
:thumbsup
Me too! :)
Post by: Love Expresso on March 10, 2018, 03:21:53 PM
Going to the ceremony, when all the rest of bands said they will perform, and not perform... To me it's ridiculous, like saying "I'm so special that we will be the only band inducted that is not playing".
Totally agree!
LE
I don't think that Mark feels comfortable enough playing to televised audiences these days guys. He'd never do a Live Aid now - not even a Monserrat. I don't think it's a case of thinking he's too important.
Generally spoken, I think it's all denial. THE GREAT DENIAL, he could name his autobiography this way if he ever wrote one... denying playing guitar solos, denying playing the guitar as he used to, denying to play his master pieces live, denying to release video stuff, DVD, Blu-Ray, denying this and that... it's so frustrating to be an MK fans
at times...
Really folks, the man who wrote Before Gas & TV or So Far From The Clyde or Silvertown Blues or fill in another of his master pieces, never give them a try live. Instead of this we will have another CBC FAS/HFB P combo and another Marbletown/Speedway/Telegraph/Brothers block. He will end his career one day and SFFTC will never been played live. Sometimes it seems that alone the fact that people expect something from him makes it sure to not give it to them.
This "I am an artist and the song is the king and" attitude is totally annoying. If only the greatness of his material would correspond with this attitude, I would be much calmer.. but it's getting more and more uninspired and sedative and unspectatular and his attitude is getting more and more out of touch...
LE
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 03:28:43 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 10, 2018, 04:21:14 PM
He's hardly been destroying Sultans. Does he play it like be used to? No. But, destroying it? Little dramatic, don't you think?Agree
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I was just answering thisThis isn't about differences guys. Mark is a "stubborn" person and he stands by his decision and the reasons behind those. Most probably he doesn't want to revisit Dire Straits for the same reasons he took his solo career, beside he is old now and past his capability to play the way he played with DS, he most probably doesn't want to destroy his songs, his own creations, for the sake of some nostalgic reunion.
Sultans is by far the most complicate song he would play at this ceremony, so if this user says MK doesnt want to play DS songs with the ex members because he doesnt want to destroy them... following that argumentation, it's a been late... he already destroyed the DS songs during his solo tours. Specially Sultans, everytime I listen it live I fear when it reachs the end with the guitar solos, it's quite painful sometimes.
Totally agree. Looks like he can’t be bothered playing Sultans but he does just to please the audiences. It can be atrocious sometimes. Having said that, I do believe that it’s a matter of motivation and despite no longer possessing the fluidity he had in the past he can still deliver great Sultans of Swing versions with great solos in case he wants to. The problem here is he’s been playing it without passion and you don’t control passion, you either have it or not.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 10, 2018, 04:28:59 PM
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 04:38:52 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 04:45:39 PM
Lazy? We have an album every two years. Then tour. Mark is creative and overworked like never before. He does not have to be anymore. He wants. I hope everyone is happy :)
He plays around 100 concerts, mostly every two years! How many members here could manage that when they are approaching 70? ::)
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 04:47:26 PM
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 04:55:48 PM
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 04:56:47 PM
Lazy? We have an album every two years. Then tour. Mark is creative and overworked like never before. He does not have to be anymore. He wants. I hope everyone is happy :)
He plays around 100 concerts, mostly every two years! How many members here could manage that when they are approaching 70? ::)
Bob Dylan?
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
Lazy? We have an album every two years. Then tour. Mark is creative and overworked like never before. He does not have to be anymore. He wants. I hope everyone is happy :)
He plays around 100 concerts, mostly every two years! How many members here could manage that when they are approaching 70? ::)
Bob Dylan?
Jbaent, I said "members here"! Yes, Bob Dylan tours every year, but having seen him in concert, I wouldn't want to repeat the experience - it was too painful! ;)
Mark is soon to release another album and has also written a musical, as you know. He will probably tour the album next year - does that make him lazy? Maybe all of you armchair critics could do that, could you?
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 05:14:27 PM
I agree with Dylan. I rather see MK retired than touring like Dylan does, barking instead singing...
Mk tours extensively yes, but there are just some months every two years so I think I do a bigger effort waking up at six o'clock every morning to work every day during all year except holidays.
Same with any Amit member. Waking every morning to work every day all the year, year after year, that's an effort. Touring 4 or 5 months every two years, sometimes more... Well, that's a great life doing a great work.
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 05:21:06 PM
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 05:37:13 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!
With a whole team doing almost everything for him.
Travelling from one town to another, taking planes almost every day, playing two and a half hours per night. Yes, it's tiring, but still is just four or five months and then the rest of the year you are in home (And think that MK hasn't toured in three years...), after doing what you love for four or five months with, as they say, their own magic carpet.
Still easier and pleaser that waking up every morning during almost 320 days per year. And that, after our Spanish government changes about retiring, we should do that until we are 75 years old in Spain.
That's an effort. No chance to being lazy
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 05:54:56 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!
And also, when we travel to attend one, two or three shows in a row, we have to do ourselves all the preparations and usually carrying all out tiredness from the day by day thing...
Last tour, I attended the Dublin concert arriving to the venue directly from the airport in a flight that I catched just four or five hours after working, with very little sleep and a stressful day at work.
I can't compare at all the tiredness it represents to me with the one that would had MK... Or the tiredness all of you carry on when attending one, two or three concerts...
And if course we all do it for fun! ;D
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 05:57:08 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!
With a whole team doing almost everything for him.
Travelling from one town to another, taking planes almost every day, playing two and a half hours per night. Yes, it's tiring, but still is just four or five months and then the rest of the year you are in home (And think that MK hasn't toured in three years...), after doing what you love for four or five months with, as they say, their own magic carpet.
Still easier and pleaser that waking up every morning during almost 320 days per year. And that, after our Spanish government changes about retiring, we should do that until we are 75 years old in Spain.
That's an effort. No chance to being lazy
Yes, I do understand what you are saying - in fact, I have a son who does the same as you - long, unsocial hours, not enough time off to enjoy family life, etc, but Mark is nearly 70 and, believe me, that makes a lot of difference. ;)
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 10, 2018, 05:59:54 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 10, 2018, 06:00:03 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!SuperVal, have to agree with jbaent here, absolutely no comparison
The man flies a private jet most of the time, stays in absolute top of the line hotels, is driven everywhere, and most importantly, no waiting, ANYWHERE
Waiting is the worst part of it all imho
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Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!
With a whole team doing almost everything for him.
Travelling from one town to another, taking planes almost every day, playing two and a half hours per night. Yes, it's tiring, but still is just four or five months and then the rest of the year you are in home (And think that MK hasn't toured in three years...), after doing what you love for four or five months with, as they say, their own magic carpet.
Still easier and pleaser that waking up every morning during almost 320 days per year. And that, after our Spanish government changes about retiring, we should do that until we are 75 years old in Spain.
That's an effort. No chance to being lazy
Yes, I do understand what you are saying - in fact, I have a son who does the same as you - long, unsocial hours, not enough time off to enjoy family life, etc, but Mark is nearly 70 and, believe me, that makes a lot of difference. ;)
Yes, I'll remember this conversation when I'm 70 and still waking up every morning at six in the morning and work all week during 320 days per year. LOL
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 06:01:01 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!
And also, when we travel to attend one, two or three shows in a row, we have to do ourselves all the preparations and usually carrying all out tiredness from the day by day thing...
Last tour, I attended the Dublin concert arriving to the venue directly from the airport in a flight that I catched just four or five hours after working, with very little sleep and a stressful day at work.
I can't compare at all the tiredness it represents to me with the one that would had MK... Or the tiredness all of you carry on when attending one, two or three concerts...
And if course we all do it for fun! ;D
Yes, it's tiring, but very enjoyable and, all being well, I will be there with my husband next time and we will have a great time.
I hope I will meet you next time, Jbaent! :wave
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 06:03:54 PM
I saw you in one of the last tour concerts in the distance, but hadn't time to go and see hello. Hope next time I find my own magical carpet lol
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 06:07:20 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!SuperVal, have to agree with jbaent here, absolutely no comparison
The man flies a private jet most of the time, stays in absolute top of the line hotels, is driven everywhere, and most importantly, no waiting, ANYWHERE
Waiting is the worst part of it all imho
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I worked in a hotel reception for more than six years. Believe me, most of the time you don't even see the musicians, there is always someone doing everything for them. EVERYTHING.
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
Lol I wish everyone would read through every comment before jumping to conclusions. Mark has called himself lazy several times and that's what I wrote.
Yes, I know Mark says he is lazy! I'm just comparing how I would feel doing the same thing.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 10, 2018, 06:08:49 PM
MK: No, I am a huge lazy bones. I can just as easily be found horizontal on the sofa as reading. I can pretend to be an intellectual —- I’ve usually got some book on the go. But I always feel behind, I’m always trying to catch up. I’m a victim, like others, of the laptop."
"Is there a pattern to your creative process when you write a song?
No, there's no formula, no law. I'm lazy [laughs]. One song might come quickly, and another might take hundreds of hours over a long period of time with varying amounts of inebriation."
Just a couple of examples. Let's read carefully, guys ;D
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 06:14:00 PM
Jbaent, I am older than MK and just attending around 5 concerts in a row is pretty tiring for me, so I really don't know how MK manages the touring and performing every day or so - moving from one town or country to another to different hotels and all that entails. I know he enjoys it, he always says he does!SuperVal, have to agree with jbaent here, absolutely no comparison
The man flies a private jet most of the time, stays in absolute top of the line hotels, is driven everywhere, and most importantly, no waiting, ANYWHERE
Waiting is the worst part of it all imho
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I'm sure it's true what you say, Pottel, but I'm afraid I will never have the pleasure to test Mark's time on tour, thank goodness! ;D
I agree about the waiting btw - it's very tiring!
Post by: superval99 on March 10, 2018, 06:16:18 PM
"JK: But you’re said to be a huge reader.
MK: No, I am a huge lazy bones. I can just as easily be found horizontal on the sofa as reading. I can pretend to be an intellectual —- I’ve usually got some book on the go. But I always feel behind, I’m always trying to catch up. I’m a victim, like others, of the laptop."
"Is there a pattern to your creative process when you write a song?
No, there's no formula, no law. I'm lazy [laughs]. One song might come quickly, and another might take hundreds of hours over a long period of time with varying amounts of inebriation."
Just a couple of examples. Let's read carefully, guys ;D
Yes, Eddie, I have read lots of stuff like that! ;)
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 06:17:07 PM
"JK: But you’re said to be a huge reader.
MK: No, I am a huge lazy bones. I can just as easily be found horizontal on the sofa as reading. I can pretend to be an intellectual —- I’ve usually got some book on the go. But I always feel behind, I’m always trying to catch up. I’m a victim, like others, of the laptop."
"Is there a pattern to your creative process when you write a song?
No, there's no formula, no law. I'm lazy [laughs]. One song might come quickly, and another might take hundreds of hours over a long period of time with varying amounts of inebriation."
Just a couple of examples. Let's read carefully, guys ;D
As a man, he is slow, lazy but regularly every two years records albums, he says that he records more and more because he feels that he has less and less time.
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 06:38:53 PM
Tracker album and tour was already three years ago and it looks like next tour will be four years after.
I don't see any hurry here, LOL
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 06:47:48 PM
jbaent, you know what I mean:) Mark does not slow down and we all know about it.
Actually he took almost all 2016 to rest... Just stopped to do one appearance at a college and the history festival.
It's true that he went back to the studio in September 2016 but... It's march 2018 and still waiting so... He slowed down a little tiny bit ;D
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 10, 2018, 07:05:47 PM
"JK: But you’re said to be a huge reader.
MK: No, I am a huge lazy bones. I can just as easily be found horizontal on the sofa as reading. I can pretend to be an intellectual —- I’ve usually got some book on the go. But I always feel behind, I’m always trying to catch up. I’m a victim, like others, of the laptop."
"Is there a pattern to your creative process when you write a song?
No, there's no formula, no law. I'm lazy [laughs]. One song might come quickly, and another might take hundreds of hours over a long period of time with varying amounts of inebriation."
Just a couple of examples. Let's read carefully, guys ;D
Yes, Eddie, I have read lots of stuff like that! ;)
Yeah, our man loves good couches and remote controls lol
Regarding touring, Mark’s logistics are incredibly smooth. Performing is not that tiring as well even for let’s say a wise man like Mark - unless you like running around Beyoncé style lol it’s all about resting, eating healthy and enjoying what you do.
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 07:13:18 PM
jbaent, you know what I mean:) Mark does not slow down and we all know about it.
Actually he took almost all 2016 to rest... Just stopped to do one appearance at a college and the history festival.
It's true that he went back to the studio in September 2016 but... It's march 2018 and still waiting so... He slowed down a little tiny bit ;D
Let's not forget about Altamira's film music ;)
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 07:30:39 PM
jbaent, you know what I mean:) Mark does not slow down and we all know about it.
Actually he took almost all 2016 to rest... Just stopped to do one appearance at a college and the history festival.
It's true that he went back to the studio in September 2016 but... It's march 2018 and still waiting so... He slowed down a little tiny bit ;D
Let's not forget about Altamira's film music ;)
That he did in one week or less before starting the tracker tour...
Post by: Robson on March 10, 2018, 07:34:44 PM
I think Local Hero - Musical is time-consuming
Post by: asouza on March 10, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Post by: Jules on March 10, 2018, 09:01:20 PM
Post by: border_reiver on March 10, 2018, 09:04:36 PM
*Please welcome to the stage - Dire Straits!*
Post by: border_reiver on March 10, 2018, 09:13:13 PM
Going to the ceremony, when all the rest of bands said they will perform, and not perform... To me it's ridiculous, like saying "I'm so special that we will be the only band inducted that is not playing".
Totally agree!
LE
Double agree!
Apparently there aren't enough Range Rovers or banker's money to cut a deal.
Post by: holaknopfler on March 10, 2018, 09:22:38 PM
Even though I despise DS Legacy I would pay dearly to see the look on Mark's face if they are performing instead of him due to his lazy decline. ;D
*Please welcome to the stage - Dire Straits!*
LOL coffee on screen now
Post by: Don70 on March 11, 2018, 12:42:23 AM
Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2018, 09:14:06 AM
Lazy?! Really?! The guy's pushing 70. The guys I think are lazy are the ones like Billy Joel who haven't released an album 25 years and do a handful shows featuring their old hits, and then cash the checks. Knopfler's writing and recording quality music (although some on here disagree). Creating is, by far, the hardest...
Lazy as not in what he produces but as of now he has (had?) one more shot of making something memorable out of this historic mark. But from what it seems he won't take it.
He could just play one song. One. 5 minutes. Would it even take a rehearsal? The world would go nuts and he would be remembered for this gesture forever.
Being inducted into the RRHOF and getting a dead band back together is a thing. You just do it. Bite the f-in bullet.
He always said that getting back together for a one time only wasn't impossible. This is the last obvious chance.
Post by: Trawlerman on March 11, 2018, 09:52:55 AM
Lazy?! Really?! The guy's pushing 70. The guys I think are lazy are the ones like Billy Joel who haven't released an album 25 years and do a handful shows featuring their old hits, and then cash the checks. Knopfler's writing and recording quality music (although some on here disagree). Creating is, by far, the hardest...
Lazy as not in what he produces but as of now he has (had?) one more shot of making something memorable out of this historic mark. But from what it seems he won't take it.
He could just play one song. One. 5 minutes. Would it even take a rehearsal? The world would go nuts and he would be remembered for this gesture forever.
Being inducted into the RRHOF and getting a dead band back together is a thing. You just do it. Bite the f-in bullet.
He always said that getting back together for a one time only wasn't impossible. This is the last obvious chance.
For a one time only, you're right he said it. But you forgot the part about charity.
And the RnRHoF is a billion miles away from a charity thing.
I'm sure he just wants to stay away from the spotlight and he certainly doesn't want to make people believe in a Dire Straits revival kind of thing. We all know how it starts. One time, then people and music industry will want more of it.
Let Dire Straits rest in peace, I just want to live my life and do my stuff. I'm certain that's what MK thinks about the whole thing.
Let's put things in perspective, right now he has all the freedom a musician could possibly dream about. He has his studio, he has long time friend Guy, he can fully trust him regarding everything he wants to do, he has no obligations, no schedule per say, he's totally free and he doesn't even need the money.
Why would he want to revive Dire Straits ? There is not one single reason that would justify that move.
Being famous and recognized everywhere again ? Having to hide himself from fans and medias, again? Being harassed by record company again ? That would be like opening the Pandora's box in his case right now.
How many of you still think about the job you did 30 years ago ? I don't, I moved on and everything changed, even if I really loved my job back then. As long as you're happy with what you do today.
Post by: primi on March 11, 2018, 10:30:17 AM
What's happening though is pretty much the same as Bob and Nobel prize only that was just off the scale because of the importance of that prize but it's the same and it's not what you do. Not even if you're a Dylan or a Knopfler.
All it takes is a statement. It doesn't mean he needs to be there, or to perform. It doesn't mean people will get expectations because of it. Bob lost a ton of points for his stunt and now Mark is loosing them as well. He's been touring with Bob for too long.
And I don't get it. He has his studio full of vintage equipment he paid through the nose for, he has a ton of vintage guitars he likes to play more than the new ones. It's just his own work from the days gone by that he considers absolute crap and not even worth writing a sentence about. The exact same work that put him in the position he is in now. I said it before and I'll say it again, if it wasn't for Dire straits he wouldn't have a chance in hell with what he's doing now. And there would be no happy microphones that they mess with for hours and days in his own studio costing him pretty much nothing compared to what he'd be charged if he did it commercially somewhere else. He can only do and enjoy what he's doing now because of his DS days. How hard can it be to acknowledge that?
Post by: Jules on March 11, 2018, 11:02:10 AM
Yes, being the only band not performing is quite a reflection of that's a prize for fans.
Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2018, 11:54:20 AM
All it takes is a statement. It doesn't mean he needs to be there, or to perform. It doesn't mean people will get expectations because of it.
Yes! Very well put.
Post by: superval99 on March 11, 2018, 12:34:48 PM
Post by: Trawlerman on March 11, 2018, 01:16:40 PM
The proper way to go about this is you make a statement. You can just say look, that's very nice of you to induct us, we're too busy to attent but have your party anyway. And that's the worst case scenario.
What's happening though is pretty much the same as Bob and Nobel prize only that was just off the scale because of the importance of that prize but it's the same and it's not what you do. Not even if you're a Dylan or a Knopfler.
All it takes is a statement. It doesn't mean he needs to be there, or to perform. It doesn't mean people will get expectations because of it. Bob lost a ton of points for his stunt and now Mark is loosing them as well. He's been touring with Bob for too long.
And I don't get it. He has his studio full of vintage equipment he paid through the nose for, he has a ton of vintage guitars he likes to play more than the new ones. It's just his own work from the days gone by that he considers absolute crap and not even worth writing a sentence about. The exact same work that put him in the position he is in now. I said it before and I'll say it again, if it wasn't for Dire straits he wouldn't have a chance in hell with what he's doing now. And there would be no happy microphones that they mess with for hours and days in his own studio costing him pretty much nothing compared to what he'd be charged if he did it commercially somewhere else. He can only do and enjoy what he's doing now because of his DS days. How hard can it be to acknowledge that?
I bought a house thanks to my first real job. Does it mean I should thank my former employer today, 20 years later ?
Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2018, 01:28:20 PM
I bought a house thanks to my first real job. Does it mean I should thank my former employer today, 20 years later ?
Can't see the similarity.
Most people who work are able to do so. Most people who play the guitar are unable.
Of course MK shouldn't thank his first record label.
Post by: Robson on March 11, 2018, 01:49:31 PM
Lazy?! Really?! The guy's pushing 70. The guys I think are lazy are the ones like Billy Joel who haven't released an album 25 years and do a handful shows featuring their old hits, and then cash the checks. Knopfler's writing and recording quality music (although some on here disagree). Creating is, by far, the hardest...
Lazy as not in what he produces but as of now he has (had?) one more shot of making something memorable out of this historic mark. But from what it seems he won't take it.
He could just play one song. One. 5 minutes. Would it even take a rehearsal? The world would go nuts and he would be remembered for this gesture forever.
Being inducted into the RRHOF and getting a dead band back together is a thing. You just do it. Bite the f-in bullet.
He always said that getting back together for a one time only wasn't impossible. This is the last obvious chance.
For a one time only, you're right he said it. But you forgot the part about charity.
And the RnRHoF is a billion miles away from a charity thing.
I'm sure he just wants to stay away from the spotlight and he certainly doesn't want to make people believe in a Dire Straits revival kind of thing. We all know how it starts. One time, then people and music industry will want more of it.
Let Dire Straits rest in peace, I just want to live my life and do my stuff. I'm certain that's what MK thinks about the whole thing.
Let's put things in perspective, right now he has all the freedom a musician could possibly dream about. He has his studio, he has long time friend Guy, he can fully trust him regarding everything he wants to do, he has no obligations, no schedule per say, he's totally free and he doesn't even need the money.
Why would he want to revive Dire Straits ? There is not one single reason that would justify that move.
Being famous and recognized everywhere again ? Having to hide himself from fans and medias, again? Being harassed by record company again ? That would be like opening the Pandora's box in his case right now.
How many of you still think about the job you did 30 years ago ? I don't, I moved on and everything changed, even if I really loved my job back then. As long as you're happy with what you do today.
Wisely written
Post by: cannibals on March 11, 2018, 04:24:39 PM
Do we know what he's going to do yet? :think
It surprises me that there is still no official word from MK.
Like he really don't gives a fu.. about this. :think
Post by: Robson on March 11, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
Post by: DS on March 11, 2018, 06:36:30 PM
- He thinks he has no fans.
- The real MK has been secretly replaced by a twin that can't play the old songs.
- He reads AMIT and he loves whenever we're disappointed, like a fetish. The more disappointed, the better.
- After the motorcycle crash he forgot he's one of the top guitarists and songwriters, and nobody tells him.
- The head band gave him strength, but he lost it so now he doesn't feel confident.
- ... I can continue but I'll stop
Post by: Jules on March 11, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Do we know what he's going to do yet? :think
David Knopfler said in Twitter that there is no going to be any performance but ex members will attend.
Post by: dmg on March 11, 2018, 07:40:19 PM
But stupid questions for Guy Fletcher appear :o
There wouldn't be so many questions for poor Guy if an official statement was made. It's really about time PCM got its act together.
Post by: Marijo58 on March 11, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
I totally agree with you DMG. But MK doesn't want to make any official statement. He won't go because he doesn't care !!But stupid questions for Guy Fletcher appear :o
There wouldn't be so many questions for poor Guy if an official statement was made. It's really about time PCM got its act together.
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Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2018, 07:52:12 PM
The Rolling Stones were never forced to go to Cuba and make a totally free concert in Havana. The only reason was to give back to the fans. Not only that but it launched a musician to musician initiative. And above it all it was recorded and released on Blu-ray, DVD and CD.
http://www.rollingstones.com/2016/03/01/the-rolling-stones-announce-free-concert-in-cuba/ (http://www.rollingstones.com/2016/03/01/the-rolling-stones-announce-free-concert-in-cuba/)
MK will be flown in to Cleveland. Stay at the best hotel. Someone will show him to his seat at the reception. Eat a fine gala dinner and then be handed an award by someone else very famous.
But yeah, let's leave the guitar back in the UK.
Post by: Marijo58 on March 11, 2018, 07:53:29 PM
Exactly !!!!Do we know what he's going to do yet? :think
It surprises me that there is still no official word from MK.
Like he really don't gives a fu.. about this. :think
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Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on March 11, 2018, 08:02:53 PM
Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2018, 08:12:37 PM
My only hope in this world that Bob Dylan would do the inducting. Nobody else would not make no sense at all :disbelief
He will induct them but won't show up. Instead he will pass on a written statement that the host will read. And then DS won't play anything after MK's made his ten second speech.
Then Bon Jovi will blow the roof off the building.
It all makes sense now!
Post by: Stanko on March 11, 2018, 09:08:10 PM
I kinda miss the times when RRHOF took a piss at DS every year. This year it might turn out to be the opposite...;D
Post by: JF on March 11, 2018, 09:34:09 PM
During all this time I've produced some hypothesis for his behaviour. Maybe:
- The real MK has been secretly replaced by a twin that can't play the old songs.
- After the motorcycle crash he forgot he's one of the top guitarists and songwriters, and nobody tells him.
ah ah good one ;D
so now it's all clear : the real MK died in the motorcycle accident like Macca in 66 :lol :lol
a new legend : Mark is dead ! :smack
next step : finding the clues in album sleeves.... :lol :lol ::) ::) ;D ;D
Post by: Zeraschkulidar on March 11, 2018, 10:42:02 PM
During all this time I've produced some hypothesis for his behaviour. Maybe:
- He thinks he has no fans.
- The real MK has been secretly replaced by a twin that can't play the old songs.
- He reads AMIT and he loves whenever we're disappointed, like a fetish. The more disappointed, the better.
- After the motorcycle crash he forgot he's one of the top guitarists and songwriters, and nobody tells him.
- The head band gave him strength, but he lost it so now he doesn't feel confident.
- ... I can continue but I'll stop
Oh, please continue that list! A disappointment fetish ;D Made my day
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 12, 2018, 02:19:33 AM
Post by: Lis on March 12, 2018, 07:09:48 AM
Hahaha! the disappointment fetish WAS very funny! :DDuring all this time I've produced some hypothesis for his behaviour. Maybe:
- He thinks he has no fans.
- The real MK has been secretly replaced by a twin that can't play the old songs.
- He reads AMIT and he loves whenever we're disappointed, like a fetish. The more disappointed, the better.
- After the motorcycle crash he forgot he's one of the top guitarists and songwriters, and nobody tells him.
- The head band gave him strength, but he lost it so now he doesn't feel confident.
- ... I can continue but I'll stop
Oh, please continue that list! A disappointment fetish ;D Made my day
...and may not be too far off. :smack
Post by: Love Expresso on March 12, 2018, 08:06:07 AM
Everything that reminds him of these times maybe gives him a bad feel. That's okay with me. But as he behaved like a Boss and saw the band as a vehicle for his own stuff, he also is responsible for the testimony of the band. It's absolutely unprofessional to not even give a statement about the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
Post by: Jules on March 12, 2018, 08:43:43 AM
Post by: Elin N on March 12, 2018, 09:43:14 AM
the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
Exactly, it can be awkard. Better leave it to the imaginations of those who will never accept that DS is history.
Anyone who has met Mark the last ten years can't possibly think of a diva. He was pretty far from it in the mud at Chalke Valley history festival.
Post by: border_reiver on March 12, 2018, 10:41:56 AM
Exactly, it can be awkard. Better leave it to the imaginations of those who will never accept that DS is history.
DS were history until the RRHOF decided to awaken the ghost. It is happening here and now, it's not like they are Lynyrd Skynyrd.
I'm all for an official statement so we can have an answer.
Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 10:49:51 AM
In my opinion Mark’s attitude is disrespectful. Not getting up to play a song or two after crossing the Atlantic sounds surreal to me but it’s his choice and I respect that despite the incoherence. Now, totally ignoring his fans and not releasing any official statement at least explaining his motivations - or the lack of any - is just rude. That would be so easy. To all fans and everyone involved, unfortunately DS won’t be performing at the ceremony but we’re all happy to see you still care about us. Thanks a lot, have a good one. All said and done.
Maybe for fans who will be in Cleveland. I do not feel ignored. Mark is focused on something completely different.
Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 10:52:07 AM
My guess is that something must have happened during the years from 1992 to 1996. I think he came to some conclusions about his life. I guess he hates everything about how he was and behaved. Most people surely would agree that he was a real dick during his Dire Straits times. He himself will know it, too. Maybe some good influence of Kitty, also.
Everything that reminds him of these times maybe gives him a bad feel. That's okay with me. But as he behaved like a Boss and saw the band as a vehicle for his own stuff, he also is responsible for the testimony of the band. It's absolutely unprofessional to not even give a statement about the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
I could write something like this if I knew Marek personally. A bold opinion
Post by: superval99 on March 12, 2018, 10:59:58 AM
My guess is that something must have happened during the years from 1992 to 1996. I think he came to some conclusions about his life. I guess he hates everything about how he was and behaved. Most people surely would agree that he was a real dick during his Dire Straits times. He himself will know it, too. Maybe some good influence of Kitty, also.
Everything that reminds him of these times maybe gives him a bad feel. That's okay with me. But as he behaved like a Boss and saw the band as a vehicle for his own stuff, he also is responsible for the testimony of the band. It's absolutely unprofessional to not even give a statement about the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
I agree that MK changed after he met Kitty, but MK a diva? Definitely not! :o I think that the RRHOF is getting in the way of what he really wants to do - finishing the musical and the album! However, a statement of his intention to attend or not would be good to hear. Maybe we will hear something soon. :)
Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 11:07:23 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on March 12, 2018, 12:05:17 PM
My guess is that something must have happened during the years from 1992 to 1996. I think he came to some conclusions about his life. I guess he hates everything about how he was and behaved. Most people surely would agree that he was a real dick during his Dire Straits times. He himself will know it, too. Maybe some good influence of Kitty, also.
Everything that reminds him of these times maybe gives him a bad feel. That's okay with me. But as he behaved like a Boss and saw the band as a vehicle for his own stuff, he also is responsible for the testimony of the band. It's absolutely unprofessional to not even give a statement about the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
I could write something like this if I knew Marek personally. A bold opinion
It's obvious that you don't know him too well as you call him Marek all the time. It's Mark. Mark Knopheler.
And please have in mind that I used "I guess" and "in my opinion", so it's all about speculation, but that's what fan forums are about, aren't they`? :wave
LE
Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2018, 12:14:56 PM
I understand what you mean LE and I guess there's something wrong somewhere in his memory about the time he choosed to put an end to DS. I don't know but his attitude now is a bit odd!!My guess is that something must have happened during the years from 1992 to 1996. I think he came to some conclusions about his life. I guess he hates everything about how he was and behaved. Most people surely would agree that he was a real dick during his Dire Straits times. He himself will know it, too. Maybe some good influence of Kitty, also.
Everything that reminds him of these times maybe gives him a bad feel. That's okay with me. But as he behaved like a Boss and saw the band as a vehicle for his own stuff, he also is responsible for the testimony of the band. It's absolutely unprofessional to not even give a statement about the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
I could write something like this if I knew Marek personally. A bold opinion
It's obvious that you don't know him too well as you call him Marek all the time. It's Mark. Mark Knopheler.
And please have in mind that I used "I guess" and "in my opinion", so it's all about speculation, but that's what fan forums are about, aren't they`? :wave
LE
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Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 12:16:24 PM
My guess is that something must have happened during the years from 1992 to 1996. I think he came to some conclusions about his life. I guess he hates everything about how he was and behaved. Most people surely would agree that he was a real dick during his Dire Straits times. He himself will know it, too. Maybe some good influence of Kitty, also.
Everything that reminds him of these times maybe gives him a bad feel. That's okay with me. But as he behaved like a Boss and saw the band as a vehicle for his own stuff, he also is responsible for the testimony of the band. It's absolutely unprofessional to not even give a statement about the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
I could write something like this if I knew Marek personally. A bold opinion
It's obvious that you don't know him too well as you call him Marek all the time. It's Mark. Mark Knopheler.
And please have in mind that I used "I guess" and "in my opinion", so it's all about speculation, but that's what fan forums are about, aren't they`? :wave
LE
All The Time ? Love Expresso is just a small mistake, one letter. Unnecessary malice
Post by: Pottel on March 12, 2018, 12:17:54 PM
Just kidding folks. Marek, lol ..My guess is that something must have happened during the years from 1992 to 1996. I think he came to some conclusions about his life. I guess he hates everything about how he was and behaved. Most people surely would agree that he was a real dick during his Dire Straits times. He himself will know it, too. Maybe some good influence of Kitty, also.
Everything that reminds him of these times maybe gives him a bad feel. That's okay with me. But as he behaved like a Boss and saw the band as a vehicle for his own stuff, he also is responsible for the testimony of the band. It's absolutely unprofessional to not even give a statement about the nomination. I don't care if he plays or not but hope he will not as it would be another cringeworthy moment, but he should let us know, and the RRHOF people also, and last but not least his former band mates. Seems a little part of that dick survived. The word Diva comes to mind...
LE
I could write something like this if I knew Marek personally. A bold opinion
It's obvious that you don't know him too well as you call him Marek all the time. It's Mark. Mark Knopheler.
And please have in mind that I used "I guess" and "in my opinion", so it's all about speculation, but that's what fan forums are about, aren't they`? :wave
LE
All The Time ? Love Expresso is just a small mistake, one letter. Unnecessary malice
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Post by: border_reiver on March 12, 2018, 12:44:32 PM
I think that the RRHOF is getting in the way of what he really wants to do - finishing the musical and the album!
Yes, how on Earth did they have the nerve to acknowledge his lifetime achievement right in the middle of making Haul Away 2 - the homecoming ;D
Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 01:46:23 PM
ps. I am a bit new here but for me too much sarcasm
Post by: border_reiver on March 12, 2018, 01:52:24 PM
I love Haul Away. Part two? Yes :D
ps. I am a bit new here but for me too much sarcasm
There can't be too much sarcasm. As with cowbell.
Post by: Jules on March 12, 2018, 01:53:48 PM
I love Haul Away. Part two? Yes :D
ps. I am a bit new here but for me too much sarcasm
Sarcasm and Irony... two ways to face the reality of a MK fan.
;D :lol
Ps/ yes, please, more cowbell!!!!
Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 02:12:44 PM
Post by: Trawlerman on March 12, 2018, 04:54:06 PM
In my opinion Mark’s attitude is disrespectful. Not getting up to play a song or two after crossing the Atlantic sounds surreal to me but it’s his choice and I respect that despite the incoherence. Now, totally ignoring his fans and not releasing any official statement at least explaining his motivations - or the lack of any - is just rude. That would be so easy. To all fans and everyone involved, unfortunately DS won’t be performing at the ceremony but we’re all happy to see you still care about us. Thanks a lot, have a good one. All said and done.
Not releasing any official statement ? You probably should wait a little bit before calling it disrespectful.
He'll probably write a statement, and John or Guy or whoever will read it on behalf of MK. Expect the classic thank you, he's honored but can't be there tonight and all that common boring stuff, nothing more.
Or wait... Did you people really expect anything else ?
I read about 'lifetime achievement', and I find it a bit exagerated. Remember, the HoF is a typical business thing that has little to no credibility compared to academy awards as an exemple. Besides, we all know what he achieved already, and he's not even done yet, so much for 'lifetime'.
Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 05:02:26 PM
Post by: border_reiver on March 12, 2018, 05:05:02 PM
I read about 'lifetime achievement', and I find it a bit exagerated. Remember, the HoF is a typical business thing that has little to no credibility compared to academy awards as an exemple. Besides, we all know what he achieved already, and he's not even done yet, so much for 'lifetime'.
You are free to quote me. ;)
So Dire Straits isn't the biggest achievement, musicwise, in MK's career?
That's what I was saying. He is awarded for the biggest achievement of his career. I never valued the importance, or the lack thereof, of the RRHOF induction.
Post by: Trawlerman on March 12, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
I read about 'lifetime achievement', and I find it a bit exagerated. Remember, the HoF is a typical business thing that has little to no credibility compared to academy awards as an exemple. Besides, we all know what he achieved already, and he's not even done yet, so much for 'lifetime'.
You are free to quote me. ;)
So Dire Straits isn't the biggest achievement, musicwise, in MK's career?
That's what I was saying. He is awarded for the biggest achievement of his career. I never valued the importance, or the lack thereof, of the RRHOF induction.
It is. Probably.
For us fans anyway ;)
But who knows really ? Maybe he doesn't consider it to be a lifetime achievement. Let's not forget he never really understood why he became that famous and that successful. He had to deal with that, and he called it quit not once but twice (1st time right after Brothers in Arms Tour)
Obviously he never asked for any acknowledgement, and we should respect the fact that maybe, just maybe, he couldn't care less.
Post by: boriszhukov on March 12, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
Lets face it MK has worked very hard to get away from being the "frontman of DS" and being perceived as a nostalgia act. Just look at what he choose to play in concert. If any DS stuff its usually something that is rooted in great songwriting tradion (R&J, SOS, Latest Trick, OES) and the crowdpleasing "pop" hits has been removed one by one. This is a balance of not neglecting the past but at the same time not base his concerts around DS.
It makes perfect sense to me. Also why open the door too much for the nostalgia thing? Next thing that would happen would be huge offers and a demand for a reunion tour and maybe even an album. I really can't see any of this having his interest any way. He doesnt need that.
Btw its also kind of funny (and phony) that DS is being inducted – why not Mark as a solo artist or MK & DS? Because his solo stuff is not focussed on making hits? Afterall he has been a solo artist almost double the amount of years and double the amount of albums, so why look back ? He is doing just fine without it.
Post by: Robson on March 12, 2018, 06:06:41 PM
Post by: Jules on March 12, 2018, 07:02:41 PM
Well maybe the statement will come during the ceremony? Seems he is also busy finalising the coming album so no time or interest in doing the nostalgia gig.
Actually he's been in Madrid enjoying one of the best restaurants in the nice town of Chinchón...
Post by: caci99 on March 12, 2018, 07:12:05 PM
Unacceptable! That warrants a board of director gathering to have a word with the guy.The shareholders are waiting on a statement. :PWell maybe the statement will come during the ceremony? Seems he is also busy finalising the coming album so no time or interest in doing the nostalgia gig.
Actually he's been in Madrid enjoying one of the best restaurants in the nice town of Chinchón...
Post by: boriszhukov on March 12, 2018, 07:21:23 PM
Get over it and look forward to the next solo tour and solo album....
Post by: cannibals on March 12, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
Who cares about this popularity contest HOF anyway. And with Alan Clark, David Knopfler and Ed Bricknell possibly there how could Mark possibly enjoy this circus of attention anyway??
Get over it and look forward to the next solo tour and solo album....
Anything is fine with me but the bottom line as for me would be: Make a STATEMENT about it.
Give the public something, anything. Be there or not, play a few songs, or not. Say a few words or let John say something.
His silince about it could give people the impression that he indeed could not care les about it.
And we can speculate all we want but in the end we don't know sh... because the man himself has choosen not to say ONE word about it. For whatever reason that maybe..
Post by: rmarques821 on March 12, 2018, 07:45:07 PM
Well maybe the statement will come during the ceremony? Seems he is also busy finalising the coming album so no time or interest in doing the nostalgia gig.
Actually he's been in Madrid enjoying one of the best restaurants in the nice town of Chinchón...
Hey Julio! Is it Mesón Cuevas del Vino?
Post by: Jules on March 12, 2018, 07:46:35 PM
Well maybe the statement will come during the ceremony? Seems he is also busy finalising the coming album so no time or interest in doing the nostalgia gig.
Actually he's been in Madrid enjoying one of the best restaurants in the nice town of Chinchón...
Hey Julio! Is it Mesón Cuevas del Vino?
Exactly
Post by: rmarques821 on March 12, 2018, 07:57:43 PM
Well maybe the statement will come during the ceremony? Seems he is also busy finalising the coming album so no time or interest in doing the nostalgia gig.
Actually he's been in Madrid enjoying one of the best restaurants in the nice town of Chinchón...
Hey Julio! Is it Mesón Cuevas del Vino?
Exactly
He must really love that restaurant! He went there a few years ago, which prompted me to go there too and I loved it, it's an amazing restaurant.
(https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28783066_1723145244415083_2554904442169392113_n.jpg?oh=548570d44f1e3ef7521e4a77a89f24c0&oe=5B0827BA)
Here he is!
Post by: Jules on March 12, 2018, 09:36:50 PM
Meat could get cold!
Post by: rmarques821 on March 12, 2018, 11:26:44 PM
Clearly very busy and not a single second to think about playing even a single short song with his old mates...
Meat could get cold!
I guess he'll only do the RRHOF thing if Mesón Cuevas del Vino serve him a meal in Cleveland! ;D
Post by: dmg on March 12, 2018, 11:45:03 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on March 12, 2018, 11:59:44 PM
Is Mark leaning very far forward or has his head gotten bigger? :think
bigger and older
Post by: primi on March 13, 2018, 12:32:42 AM
Anything is fine with me but the bottom line as for me would be: Make a STATEMENT about it.
Exactly this and nothing more. He doesn't need to do anything more than a statement. But a statement is expected in situations like these and any professional (except Bob and Mark obviously) would issue one.
Try to guess how long it takes and how much thought goes into saying something along these lines:
"Thanks guys and have a great party"
Oh, excuse me, it's just a line. And I'm sure there is somebody around him somewhere that can do it for him while he's keeping himself busy fine tuning phantom power to the exact required microVolt wearing a huge smile.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 13, 2018, 08:59:55 AM
He must really love that restaurant! He went there a few years ago, which prompted me to go there too and I loved it, it's an amazing restaurant.
How did he find this restaurant anyway? When I see things like this, I wonder how Mark manage to do all he does... Traveling to restaurants 50 km away from Madrid on an ordinary street many times. Makes me want to embark on a trip finding my own favourite little restaurants. The man never stops to inspire!
I hope his HOF speech would be as inspiring as Dylan's ones, he usually goes in details about everything. Just want to hear a long-read from MK.
Post by: boriszhukov on March 13, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
Seems MK is not going. I can understand why.Let the past be past and let the ex members get the attention.
Post by: dmg on March 13, 2018, 12:56:25 PM
He must really love that restaurant! He went there a few years ago, which prompted me to go there too and I loved it, it's an amazing restaurant.
How did he find this restaurant anyway? When I see things like this, I wonder how Mark manage to do all he does... Traveling to restaurants 50 km away from Madrid on an ordinary street many times. Makes me want to embark on a trip finding my own favourite little restaurants. The man never stops to inspire!
I hope his HOF speech would be as inspiring as Dylan's ones, he usually goes in details about everything. Just want to hear a long-read from MK.
Probably just checked Trip Advisor like everyone else!
Post by: dmg on March 13, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
kind of an answer from Guy today "I understand there will be no performance, just a video presentation. "
Seems MK is not going. I can understand why.Let the past be past and let the ex members get the attention.
That's best I think. It would be a real snub to everyone if he went and didn't perform.
Post by: superval99 on March 13, 2018, 01:09:02 PM
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Post by: dmg on March 13, 2018, 01:42:16 PM
Post by: Jules on March 13, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
I have an inkling he might change his mind...
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
and they would play Money For Nothing
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: caci99 on March 13, 2018, 01:52:39 PM
I have an inkling he might change his mind...:lol :lol
Add Philips there and definitely he will be.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 13, 2018, 02:03:00 PM
By the way, nothing bad in being on the ceremony and not performing there. Why he have to perform? Who said that? It wasn't me.
Post by: Jules on March 13, 2018, 02:06:42 PM
LOL Range Rover reference is hilarious, but aren't Mark's attendance was confirmed by Guy or somebody already? Like, "he'll be there".
By the way, nothing bad in being on the ceremony and not performing there. Why he have to perform? Who said that? It wasn't me.
Actually, if they are there and they are the only band inducted that night not performing, it would be extra special!!!!!!
:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
Post by: allen on March 13, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
MK refused to perform, and refused other tribute bands of ex-members to perform instead of him and his original DS band. So a video presentation seems to be the best choice. DS was history, and will never come back again. That's bloody true. :'(
Post by: quizzaciously on March 13, 2018, 02:19:44 PM
Thank jbaent for asking Guy. Now we have got double confirmations of no performance.
MK refused to perform, and refused other tribute bands of ex-members to perform instead of him and his original DS band. So a video presentation seems to be the best choice. DS was history, and will never come back again. That's bloody true. :'(
Honestly I'm not a fan of seeing this on Dire Straits Wikipedia page:
Years active: 1977–1988, 1991–1995
Reunion(s): 2018
I think everybody who has a sense of beauty would not want to see it there. If the band was already dead in 1988, one "reunion" is enough.
Post by: Jules on March 13, 2018, 02:34:04 PM
Thank jbaent for asking Guy. Now we have got double confirmations of no performance.
MK refused to perform, and refused other tribute bands of ex-members to perform instead of him and his original DS band. So a video presentation seems to be the best choice. DS was history, and will never come back again. That's bloody true. :'(
Honestly I'm not a fan of seeing this on Dire Straits Wikipedia page:
Years active: 1977–1988, 1991–1995
Reunion(s): 2018
I think everybody who has a sense of beauty would not want to see it there. If the band was already dead in 1988, one "reunion" is enough.
It miss the reunion at Knebworth on 30 June 1990...
Actually, I don't see where is the harm of a one off reunion of one or two songs in their 40th years anniversary of the release of their first record...
I can't understand nobody wants a reunion of a whole new tour but... a one off?
Too much purists...
Post by: cannibals on March 13, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
kind of an answer from Guy today "I understand there will be no performance, just a video presentation. "
Seems MK is not going. I can understand why.Let the past be past and let the ex members get the attention.
Looks like MK will indeed not be there. Guy is not saying who will go. My guess is that Pick and MK will not be there. Pick already said it was not his kind of thing and MK is not saying anything about it so we will not know for sure until he speaks........
Post by: border_reiver on March 13, 2018, 06:30:17 PM
Post by: Marijo58 on March 13, 2018, 07:24:20 PM
Who cares about this popularity contest HOF anyway. And with Alan Clark, David Knopfler and Ed Bricknell possibly there how could Mark possibly enjoy this circus of attention anyway??Yes absolutely Boriszhukov !! That's exactly what I think !!!
Get over it and look forward to the next solo tour and solo album....
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Post by: asouza on March 13, 2018, 09:55:39 PM
"Hi Guy … what bad news for fans who do not play in the RRHoF. I do not know the reasons but it would have been great for us. Regards."
"Of course it would but there are reasons." ??? :thumbsdown
Post by: quizzaciously on March 13, 2018, 10:09:43 PM
Guy's new answer:
"Hi Guy … what bad news for fans who do not play in the RRHoF. I do not know the reasons but it would have been great for us. Regards."
"Of course it would but there are reasons." ??? :thumbsdown
These exact reasons is being discussed in this topic right now :lol
The reasons are the new album, new music, forward only, blah, blah, blah.
Post by: Robson on March 14, 2018, 01:22:47 AM
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on March 14, 2018, 02:16:20 AM
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 08:06:15 AM
More than ever, after that, Dire Straits is something that no longer exists within Mark Knopfler. John Illsley is the last spark, John is the soul of the band that lives!
Yes... Good old John!
Post by: cannibals on March 14, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Guy's new answer:
"Hi Guy … what bad news for fans who do not play in the RRHoF. I do not know the reasons but it would have been great for us. Regards."
"Of course it would but there are reasons." ??? :thumbsdown
There are reasons wich they do not want share with the fans. :disbelief :disbelief
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 10:01:06 AM
Guy's new answer:
"Hi Guy … what bad news for fans who do not play in the RRHoF. I do not know the reasons but it would have been great for us. Regards."
"Of course it would but there are reasons." ??? :thumbsdown
There are reasons wich they do not want share with the fans. :disbelief :disbelief
Like we say in Spain: He's stubborn like a mule.
Good Old John, I hope he goes anyway and enjoy the evening. He deserves it.
Post by: cannibals on March 14, 2018, 10:37:08 AM
I wonder if he will answer?
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 11:01:52 AM
More questions now for Guy about the "reasons" :o
I wonder if he will answer?
there are reason not to tell about the reasons
Post by: quizzaciously on March 14, 2018, 11:05:32 AM
More questions now for Guy about the "reasons" :o
I wonder if he will answer?
there are reason not to tell about the reasons
:lol :lol :lol
Post by: border_reiver on March 14, 2018, 11:22:06 AM
More questions now for Guy about the "reasons" :o
I wonder if he will answer?
there are reason not to tell about the reasons
Sounds unreasonable.
Post by: nando_5994 on March 14, 2018, 11:25:10 AM
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
More questions now for Guy about the "reasons" :o
I wonder if he will answer?
there are reason not to tell about the reasons
Sounds unreasonable.
There are unreasonable reasons to be unreasonable about giving reasons to the reasons.
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
I'm not about to go into it here but it's not rocket science.
Translation: MK got itches if he stands next to David or/and Alan.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 14, 2018, 11:48:44 AM
Guy:
I'm not about to go into it here but it's not rocket science.
Translation: MK got itches if he stands next to David or/and Alan.
It's really not rocket science, Mark's behaviour is pretty predictable, which is never a bad thing actually. Me personally, I love to be predictable.
Post by: cannibals on March 14, 2018, 12:43:36 PM
Guy:
I'm not about to go into it here but it's not rocket science.
Translation: MK got itches if he stands next to David or/and Alan.
Guy said on his forum they (speaking of Alan) were friends....
MK must be really having some problems with his brother and Alan.
Oh and Guy is not ansewering the question if MK will be there so i think he is not...
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 01:33:44 PM
If Roger Waters and David Gilmour were capable to solve their issues, I thought MK would be capable too, but I was wrong...
Anyone has its demons, and sometimes you cannot win them, and you keep carrying the demons all the way.
I'm very very dissapointed.
Next page, please. Looking forward.
Post by: Robson on March 14, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Mark and John are friends. They have certainly talked about it already. John or Guy will pick up the prize and that's all :)
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 14, 2018, 01:55:23 PM
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 02:16:32 PM
O bet the real problem is with Alan...
Don't bet your money on that...
Post by: cannibals on March 14, 2018, 03:15:43 PM
I thought that if there was someone capable to be over this things, that was MK, but I was wrong...
If Roger Waters and David Gilmour were capable to solve their issues, I thought MK would be capable too, but I was wrong...
Anyone has its demons, and sometimes you cannot win them, and you keep carrying the demons all the way.
I'm very very dissapointed.
Next page, please. Looking forward.
Speaking of Roger and David. I saw an interview with Roger taken in Australia last month. He was touring there. He spoke of David and Nick (mason). He is friends with Nick, always kept in touch. David he has not spoken in quite some time wich is also fine he said. Nothing but love for the two of them.
It would not surprise me if Nick or perhaps David would show up for a guest appearance during his European tour this summer... How big are the chances of John showing up at a MK concert. Zero i think...
Post by: quizzaciously on March 14, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
The outcome? The outcome is this "strange" show where the poor guy needs to say something about his own pseudonym and play under it :hmm
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 03:47:04 PM
The problem is that you compare the BAND to the solo project under a pseudonym. David couldn't understand it, Alan couldn't understand it.
The outcome? The outcome is this "strange" show where the poor guy needs to say something about his own pseudonym and play under it :hmm
What are you talking about?
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 14, 2018, 03:58:10 PM
Post by: rmarques821 on March 14, 2018, 04:18:05 PM
David has even tried to make amends with him more than once... It's seems Mark can't just let it go.
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Post by: PensaGhost on March 14, 2018, 04:22:01 PM
Can't believe Mark just can't let it all go. I mean, he's almost 70 and he still can't put the things that happened like 40 years ago behind his back?
David has even tried to make amends with him more than once... It's seems Mark can't just let it go.
Yes, unfortunately that's it
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 05:07:26 PM
Post by: Trawlerman on March 14, 2018, 05:39:00 PM
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
Post by: boriszhukov on March 14, 2018, 05:47:52 PM
Regarding HOF performance. Who would be in this version of DS anyway ? John, Guy, MK and who else? All other ex-members who played on more than one record have not performed on the needed level anyway. except Alan who is clearly blackballed due to the tribute bands and strage behavior etc.
If there were a performance it should really just be Mark and the 96ers playing Brothers in Arms og R&J and just maybe with John on bass. But then again the induction should really have been MK &DS anyway.
Post by: Lis on March 14, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
You're just speculating at this point.I agree.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
Apparently only John, Alan and Guy will be attending.
Post by: Lis on March 14, 2018, 05:53:06 PM
Post by: Robson on March 14, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
:thumbsup
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2018, 05:54:32 PM
And really, what a bunch of crap people say about him. You guys ever stop to ponder why he wrote Broken Bones?
Because Kitty wanted him out of the house for a while?
Post by: Robson on March 14, 2018, 05:57:20 PM
And really, what a bunch of crap people say about him. You guys ever stop to ponder why he wrote Broken Bones?
Or a song that closes the album Privateering :think
Post by: naif on March 14, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
Time has no shame indeed...
Post by: superval99 on March 14, 2018, 06:06:10 PM
Can't believe Mark just can't let it all go. I mean, he's almost 70 and he still can't put the things that happened like 40 years ago behind his back?
David has even tried to make amends with him more than once... It's seems Mark can't just let it go.
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The last time I saw David in concert, he wasted no time in saying bad things about Mark in front of the audience at every opportunity. Mark doesn't bad-mouth David in a concert! I didn't see any signs of him making amends on that evening! It seems David can't let it go either!
I'm sorry, but this is such a one-sided discussion, Mark being Mr Bad Guy again and David Mr Wonderful!
Post by: Robson on March 14, 2018, 06:12:38 PM
Can't believe Mark just can't let it all go. I mean, he's almost 70 and he still can't put the things that happened like 40 years ago behind his back?
David has even tried to make amends with him more than once... It's seems Mark can't just let it go.
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The last time I saw David in concert, he wasted no time in saying bad things about Mark in front of an audience at every opportunity. Mark doesn't bad-mouth David in a concert! I didn't see any signs of him making amends on that evening! It seems David can't let it go either!
And this is a sad situation. I do not understand it. At the concert ????
Post by: Robson on March 14, 2018, 06:15:27 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on March 14, 2018, 06:39:09 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
he doesn't care about RRHoF ? that's 100% sure, he also doesn't care about fans, we wouldn't even know his decision if it wasn't for other members of the band, yet if someone he likes dies there's immediately a statement about what he thinks (already happened several times), but should fans know if he is going to the ceremony ? absolutely not
Post by: Trawlerman on March 14, 2018, 07:22:14 PM
Can't believe Mark just can't let it all go. I mean, he's almost 70 and he still can't put the things that happened like 40 years ago behind his back?
David has even tried to make amends with him more than once... It's seems Mark can't just let it go.
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The last time I saw David in concert, he wasted no time in saying bad things about Mark in front of the audience at every opportunity. Mark doesn't bad-mouth David in a concert! I didn't see any signs of him making amends on that evening! It seems David can't let it go either!
I'm sorry, but this is such a one-sided discussion, Mark being Mr Bad Guy again and David Mr Wonderful!
Or the other way around, it works too, it's purely subjective and even if we knew all the answers, should we really care about that ?
Post by: Jarle on March 14, 2018, 07:23:49 PM
Sad situation. I kinda understand MK; but if he can't even sit with Alan or David side by side just for the one night... Sad situation. They shared the stage, bus, studio, hotel maybe home hundreds of time. But now they can't even say hi to each other.
Time has no shame indeed...
For all we know, Mark not showing up at RRHF may not have anything to do with any personal issues between the band members.
Post by: Trawlerman on March 14, 2018, 07:30:17 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
he doesn't care about RRHoF ? that's 100% sure, he also doesn't care about fans, we wouldn't even know his decision if it wasn't for other members of the band, yet if someone he likes dies there's immediately a statement about what he thinks (already happened several times), but should fans know if he is going to the ceremony ? absolutely not
Well, maybe he doesn't see why we should care about it either.
What does the HoF mean to him ? Not much obviously. You probably care too much about it, even way more than he does, and maybe that's the real issue here.
But at the end of the day this is an issue mostly because you brought it upon yourself in the first place.
Post by: Love Expresso on March 14, 2018, 07:34:31 PM
And really, what a bunch of crap people say about him. You guys ever stop to ponder why he wrote Broken Bones?
Which people? Which guys?
LE
Post by: Jarle on March 14, 2018, 07:39:50 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
he doesn't care about RRHoF ? that's 100% sure, he also doesn't care about fans, we wouldn't even know his decision if it wasn't for other members of the band, yet if someone he likes dies there's immediately a statement about what he thinks (already happened several times), but should fans know if he is going to the ceremony ? absolutely not
Well, maybe he doesn't see why we should care about it either.
What does the HoF mean to him ? Not much obviously. You probably care too much about it, even way more than he does, and maybe that's the real issue here.
But at the end of the day this is an issue mostly because you brought it upon yourself in the first place.
What the HoF means to Mark? Oh, we don´t know, we don´t know...
Post by: Jarle on March 14, 2018, 07:40:21 PM
And really, what a bunch of crap people say about him. You guys ever stop to ponder why he wrote Broken Bones?
Which people? Which guys?
LE
The guys on the Internet.
Post by: naif on March 14, 2018, 07:43:26 PM
Sad situation. I kinda understand MK; but if he can't even sit with Alan or David side by side just for the one night... Sad situation. They shared the stage, bus, studio, hotel maybe home hundreds of time. But now they can't even say hi to each other.
Time has no shame indeed...
For all we know, Mark not showing up at RRHF may not have anything to do with any personal issues between the band members.
Maybe you are right Jarle but I have interpreted it like this because there is no official explanation in the musical sense. I've only voted for dozens of times, and it's pretty ridiculous not to have a formal statement. Such social communications should be done professionally because Mark is not a street musician on the corner. I hope that one day Mark will get this award for his solo career and things will be easier this time.
Post by: cannibals on March 14, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
I'll bet he will there and give a hell of a performance.....
Post by: cannibals on March 14, 2018, 08:20:42 PM
Mark is not going either.
Apparently only John, Alan and Guy will be attending.
So no Mark David and Pick?
I for sure thought David would like to be there although he did say it would be strange to show up and not perform. Perhaps now that is clear that there will be no performance he also decides to stay at home??
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 14, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
We will see how much MK gives about the RRHOF when he will be inducted as a solo artist.
I'll bet he will there and give a hell of a performance.....
Do you really think he’ll be inducted as a solo artist after this? They probably regret inducting DS already.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 14, 2018, 09:24:34 PM
We will see how much MK gives about the RRHOF when he will be inducted as a solo artist.
I'll bet he will there and give a hell of a performance.....
Do you really think he’ll be inducted as a solo artist after this? They probably regret inducting DS already.
Yes. It's just too late. Hilarious induction of poor Nina Simone, too. She's dead, for God's sake! Where have you been for the last 15-20 years?
Post by: primi on March 14, 2018, 10:21:19 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 15, 2018, 12:25:10 AM
We will see how much MK gives about the RRHOF when he will be inducted as a solo artist.
I'll bet he will there and give a hell of a performance.....
Do you really think he’ll be inducted as a solo artist after this? They probably regret inducting DS already.
Yes. It's just too late. Hilarious induction of poor Nina Simone, too. She's dead, for God's sake! Where have you been for the last 15-20 years?
Mark’s treating the whole thing like s***, I highly doubt the RRHOF will ever give him any credit again.
Post by: Don70 on March 15, 2018, 12:48:00 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 15, 2018, 01:56:28 AM
Post by: Robson on March 15, 2018, 02:48:22 AM
We will see how much MK gives about the RRHOF when he will be inducted as a solo artist.
I'll bet he will there and give a hell of a performance.....
Do you really think he’ll be inducted as a solo artist after this? They probably regret inducting DS already.
Yes. It's just too late. Hilarious induction of poor Nina Simone, too. She's dead, for God's sake! Where have you been for the last 15-20 years?
Mark’s treating the whole thing like s***, I highly doubt the RRHOF will ever give him any credit again.
Too many emotions. Relax
Post by: cannibals on March 15, 2018, 09:26:42 AM
Post by: Robson on March 15, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
Post by: DS on March 15, 2018, 10:31:03 AM
it would have been nice for the fans if he would make a little statement. Just a few nice words because many fans voted for DS. Just my opinion...
He'll probably just write a song about it in a couple years from now.
Lights are now on in the hall...
This keep breaking my balls
Why they inducted that band, who knows
They needed some money, I suppose
But in third person and more ambiguous ;D
Post by: Jules on March 15, 2018, 11:23:13 AM
it would have been nice for the fans if he would make a little statement. Just a few nice words because many fans voted for DS. Just my opinion...
He'll probably just write a song about it in a couple years from now.
Lights are now on in the hall...
This keep breaking my balls
Why they inducted that band, who knows
They needed some money, I suppose
But in third person and more ambiguous ;D
Just add fiddles and pipes and push the record button...
Post by: superval99 on March 15, 2018, 11:29:24 AM
it would have been nice for the fans if he would make a little statement. Just a few nice words because many fans voted for DS. Just my opinion...
He'll probably just write a song about it in a couple years from now.
Lights are now on in the hall...
This keep breaking my balls
Why they inducted that band, who knows
They needed some money, I suppose
But in third person and more ambiguous ;D
Just add fiddles and pipes and push the record button...
;D Great! I love the fiddles and pipes. :wave Saw Mike & John with John Doyle last week in concert - fantastic musicians! :)
Post by: Robson on March 15, 2018, 11:42:01 AM
it would have been nice for the fans if he would make a little statement. Just a few nice words because many fans voted for DS. Just my opinion...
He'll probably just write a song about it in a couple years from now.
Lights are now on in the hall...
This keep breaking my balls
Why they inducted that band, who knows
They needed some money, I suppose
But in third person and more ambiguous ;D
Just add fiddles and pipes and push the record button...
It would be lovely :D
Post by: PensaGhost on March 15, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
he doesn't care about RRHoF ? that's 100% sure, he also doesn't care about fans, we wouldn't even know his decision if it wasn't for other members of the band, yet if someone he likes dies there's immediately a statement about what he thinks (already happened several times), but should fans know if he is going to the ceremony ? absolutely not
Well, maybe he doesn't see why we should care about it either.
What does the HoF mean to him ? Not much obviously. You probably care too much about it, even way more than he does, and maybe that's the real issue here.
But at the end of the day this is an issue mostly because you brought it upon yourself in the first place.
or maybe the only issue is that you don't let/accept other people have different opinions than yours
Post by: cannibals on March 15, 2018, 04:28:08 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/rock_hall_to_live_stream_2018.html
And also:
So we are a month away from the 2018 R'R Hall of Fame ceremony. And all we have is a definite with Howard Stern inducting the Headliner Bon Jovi and a speculation that Bill Bruford of Yes may induct the great Moody Blues. What the Hell
Nothing on who will induct DS but rumour is Sting will have the honors
Post by: Jules on March 15, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
Some info about the induction :wave
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/rock_hall_to_live_stream_2018.html
Cool, I know a Brazilian guy who is dying to see Alan Clark at the red carpet.
:lol
Post by: Trawlerman on March 15, 2018, 04:35:59 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
he doesn't care about RRHoF ? that's 100% sure, he also doesn't care about fans, we wouldn't even know his decision if it wasn't for other members of the band, yet if someone he likes dies there's immediately a statement about what he thinks (already happened several times), but should fans know if he is going to the ceremony ? absolutely not
Well, maybe he doesn't see why we should care about it either.
What does the HoF mean to him ? Not much obviously. You probably care too much about it, even way more than he does, and maybe that's the real issue here.
But at the end of the day this is an issue mostly because you brought it upon yourself in the first place.
or maybe the only issue is that you don't let/accept other people have different opinions than yours
Well, I'm not the one not accepting MK's decision.
I don't have to say anything bad about it, he's INVITED to the ceremony, he can either go or decline the invitation, his choice. Because people seem to forget it's an invitation, no obligation.
And he doesn't have to write me a statement to justify anything, whatever his choice is.
He doesn't need to perform a song for me if he doesn't want to, and I won't criticize him for that. He doesn't owe me anything.
So tell me, who's the one not accepting things ?
Post by: PensaGhost on March 15, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
he doesn't care about RRHoF ? that's 100% sure, he also doesn't care about fans, we wouldn't even know his decision if it wasn't for other members of the band, yet if someone he likes dies there's immediately a statement about what he thinks (already happened several times), but should fans know if he is going to the ceremony ? absolutely not
Well, maybe he doesn't see why we should care about it either.
What does the HoF mean to him ? Not much obviously. You probably care too much about it, even way more than he does, and maybe that's the real issue here.
But at the end of the day this is an issue mostly because you brought it upon yourself in the first place.
or maybe the only issue is that you don't let/accept other people have different opinions than yours
Well, I'm not the one not accepting MK's decision.
I don't have to say anything bad about it, he's INVITED to the ceremony, he can either go or decline the invitation, his choice. Because people seem to forget it's an invitation, no obligation.
And he doesn't have to write me a statement to justify anything, whatever his choice is.
He doesn't need to perform a song for me if he doesn't want to, and I won't criticize him for that. He doesn't owe me anything.
So tell me, who's the one not accepting things ?
maybe the only issue is that you don't let/accept other people have different opinions than yours --> people's opinions, not MK's
Post by: Trawlerman on March 15, 2018, 08:31:18 PM
You're just speculating at this point.
What if he simply doesn't care at all being there ?
It's not just the RnRHoF thing, how often do you see him on TV ? Right, close to never.
How many times does he talk about Dire Straits in interviews ? Right, close to none.
What about cutting him some slack ?
It looks like the fans are the ones who can't let it all go actually.
he doesn't care about RRHoF ? that's 100% sure, he also doesn't care about fans, we wouldn't even know his decision if it wasn't for other members of the band, yet if someone he likes dies there's immediately a statement about what he thinks (already happened several times), but should fans know if he is going to the ceremony ? absolutely not
Well, maybe he doesn't see why we should care about it either.
What does the HoF mean to him ? Not much obviously. You probably care too much about it, even way more than he does, and maybe that's the real issue here.
But at the end of the day this is an issue mostly because you brought it upon yourself in the first place.
or maybe the only issue is that you don't let/accept other people have different opinions than yours
Well, I'm not the one not accepting MK's decision.
I don't have to say anything bad about it, he's INVITED to the ceremony, he can either go or decline the invitation, his choice. Because people seem to forget it's an invitation, no obligation.
And he doesn't have to write me a statement to justify anything, whatever his choice is.
He doesn't need to perform a song for me if he doesn't want to, and I won't criticize him for that. He doesn't owe me anything.
So tell me, who's the one not accepting things ?
maybe the only issue is that you don't let/accept other people have different opinions than yours --> people's opinions, not MK's
Dozens of pages complaining about MK not doing what you want him to do is not an opinion anymore. It's something else that I'd rather not define.
I don't speak especially about you, nothing personal.
Post by: Jules on March 15, 2018, 08:42:39 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 15, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
Some info about the induction :wave
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/rock_hall_to_live_stream_2018.html
Cool, I know a Brazilian guy who is dying to see Alan Clark at the red carpet.
:lol
Lol Definitely not me! Alan deserves to be there! My problem is not with Alan and DS but with what he’s been doing after DS.
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on March 15, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
No one is asking for a Dire Straits return. But he need to respect
the fans who are the ones who voted, besides those that as well as follow your career from the beginning, in addition to the new generations of fans of the band... All of this is in question and should be considered as well, the band's history is alienated from its legion of fans, one thing does not exist without the other, so with any band or artist, "a two-way street", it's a pity see people looking at it as a "one-way street"
I keep saying there are other artists who care more for fans. No longer enough the fact, since beginning his solo career, he continues to play practically the same songs as DS, and continues to deny us songs like Tunnel of Love, among others he has not played for more than 30 years, Southbound Again, News, Single Handed Saillor, Love Over Gold ... Dalling Preatty was in 1996, as well as Vic and Ray, Jukie Doll in 2001, so since 2008 his shows have the same structure, he does not care what his fans would like to hear at his shows. He do not care how happy millions of fans around the world be if he played some songs on that occasion from the RRHF in April.
I have seen people commenting that "it is better that way", or, "that the world has the image of the young Dire Straits", as if age were a monster that made this occasion unfeasible, I think it a mixture of conformism as well as lack of sensitivity, already Mark is Dire Straits and is alive and fully capable of playing DS songs. If the problem is an Achemy SOS height performance, why not Wild West End or Down to The Waterline? It would represent very well! By coincidence, there are 40 years of the release of the first album.
It is in these hours that it is hard to be a fan of Mark Knopfler, one can pay a bitter price for these types of egocentric attitudes.
Post by: PensaGhost on March 15, 2018, 09:16:16 PM
Post by: Robson on March 15, 2018, 09:20:11 PM
I have no problem with it. It's the same :)
Post by: asouza on March 15, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
I respect your opinion, but I realize this angle:
No one is asking for a Dire Straits return. But he need to respect
the fans who are the ones who voted, besides those that as well as follow your career from the beginning, in addition to the new generations of fans of the band... All of this is in question and should be considered as well, the band's history is alienated from its legion of fans, one thing does not exist without the other, so with any band or artist, "a two-way street", it's a pity see people looking at it as a "one-way street"
I keep saying there are other artists who care more for fans. No longer enough the fact, since beginning his solo career, he continues to play practically the same songs as DS, and continues to deny us songs like Tunnel of Love, among others he has not played for more than 30 years, Southbound Again, News, Single Handed Saillor, Love Over Gold ... Dalling Preatty was in 1996, as well as Vic and Ray, Jukie Doll in 2001, so since 2008 his shows have the same structure, he does not care what his fans would like to hear at his shows. He do not care how happy millions of fans around the world be if he played some songs on that occasion from the RRHF in April.
I have seen people commenting that "it is better that way", or, "that the world has the image of the young Dire Straits", as if age were a monster that made this occasion unfeasible, I think it a mixture of conformism as well as lack of sensitivity, already Mark is Dire Straits and is alive and fully capable of playing DS songs. If the problem is an Achemy SOS height performance, why not Wild West End or Down to The Waterline? It would represent very well! By coincidence, there are 40 years of the release of the first album.
It is in these hours that it is hard to be a fan of Mark Knopfler, one can pay a bitter price for these types of egocentric attitudes.
:clap :clap :clap :thumbsup
Post by: dmg on March 15, 2018, 09:43:15 PM
Post by: boriszhukov on March 15, 2018, 09:48:51 PM
I respect your opinion, but I realize this angle:
No one is asking for a Dire Straits return. But he need to respect
the fans who are the ones who voted.
So how is he not respecting the fans who voted? He isnt exactly ignoring DS in general. Even his website has announced the induction etc.
Afterall his setlist still features a good amount of DS material. He accepts it for what it is - a distant pass - it's been 26 years for gods sake! The fans should respect this and get their DS kick at his solo concerts, by going to an Illsley concert or even by attending the copybands (if its really so desperately needed).
Lastly there is a chance there will be a statement during or after the event.
Post by: Robson on March 15, 2018, 09:56:05 PM
I respect your opinion, but I realize this angle:
No one is asking for a Dire Straits return. But he need to respect
the fans who are the ones who voted.
So how is he not respecting the fans who voted? He isnt exactly ignoring DS in general. Even his website has announced the induction etc.
Afterall his setlist still features a good amount of DS material. He accepts it for what it is - a distant pass - it's been 26 years for gods sake! The fans should respect this and get their DS kick at his solo concerts, by going to an Illsley concert or even by attending the copybands (if its really so desperately needed).
Lastly there is a chance there will be a statement during or after the event.
It is true
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on March 15, 2018, 10:34:16 PM
One of the most mediocre thoughts I have seen in recent days was:
"The world reminds Dire Straits as young loads of energy and talent. If they were today, this memory would be replaced by a memory made up of slow old and weak."
It's ridiculous to think such a thing, all members are alive and fully able to play several of Dire Straits's songs, until Gilmour and Waters left the differences aside in live 8, because, for less, DS members could not do the same on that occasion?
Does it have to be something as modest as seeing an old video of the band on this noble occasion? This anyone can do at home, anywhere, have so many videos on youtube ... substantially this should be for the sake of art, music, that is, it is what they do best. As a friend quoted, "no matter how good an artist, music is not mathematics, your ability without public approval stays with you. And gratitude to your fans, it is not logic "clientelist."
Post by: cannibals on March 15, 2018, 10:53:51 PM
Post by: DS on March 15, 2018, 10:55:36 PM
As a friend quoted, "no matter how good an artist, music is not mathematics, your ability without public approval stays with you. And gratitude to your fans, it is not logic "clientelist."This sentence is brilliant.
Post by: the visitor on March 16, 2018, 12:42:17 AM
Fed up with MK and his superiority complex. Your fans made you. Show some respect and at least let the people know you are thankful for being voted in to what appears to be a big deal to your fans.
See you around.
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on March 16, 2018, 01:25:58 AM
I respect your opinion, but I realize this angle:
So how is he not respecting the fans who voted? He isnt exactly ignoring DS in general. Even his website has announced the induction etc.
He isnt exactly ignoring DS in general. Even his website has announced the induction etc.
Ohhh ... Realize how modest it is, realize how conformist you are, (by the way, be happy, you're not the only one, there are many conformist fans just like you.) :clap
This attitude of applauding anything our idol does is a bad thing, in the case of MK, his attitude not to touch with the DS in the RRHF is yet another example that he does not care about his fans, from the oldest to the youngest . Actually that's a shame, that's mediocre, all we'll see is a video of the band with at least 26 years ago? What is the ultility of this, youtube has any video that they present in this ceremony, this I am already bald of so much to watch! They are alive and able to play, they are musicians, what matters here are the songs and what they represent, besides the importance of the band, it is not for this same reason that MK still plays today SOS, R & J, TR, BIA, SFA , MFN, WOL (the most played of DS in the shows of his solo career)? When it is time to celebrate all this, he will turn his back, perhaps not be present, and appearing, will not have any performance of the band, will let no band perform a tribute to the DS interpreting some song. Anyway, this is not logical, it is contradictory, a joke dull and there are people finding coherence in this attitude on his part.
(And to think ...MK keeps working so that the DS remains underestimated, with the help of conformist fans, who applaud everything he does, no exceptions).
This world is getting weirder! :think
Post by: Don70 on March 16, 2018, 01:46:31 AM
Post by: Lis on March 16, 2018, 02:27:51 AM
Good Lord, the level of negativity on this site is really quite staggering. It's just never-ending. Setlists, flutes and pipes, guitar playing, RRHOF, length of time recording etc. It just goes on and on and on....Agree. :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief
Post by: rmarques821 on March 16, 2018, 02:29:58 AM
Good Lord, the level of negativity on this site is really quite staggering. It's just never-ending. Setlists, flutes and pipes, guitar playing, RRHOF, length of time recording etc. It just goes on and on and on....
With all respect, but we already know you think this forum is very negative...There is no need for you to come here once in a while and say precisely that.
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on March 16, 2018, 03:23:31 AM
Good Lord, the level of negativity on this site is really quite staggering. It's just never-ending. Setlists, flutes and pipes, guitar playing, RRHOF, length of time recording etc. It just goes on and on and on....Go fishing and relax your mind. :lol
Post by: Don70 on March 16, 2018, 03:29:30 AM
Post by: Don70 on March 16, 2018, 03:51:24 AM
Unfortunately, there’s about a foot of snow on the ground, so fishing’s not really an option right now :smackGood Lord, the level of negativity on this site is really quite staggering. It's just never-ending. Setlists, flutes and pipes, guitar playing, RRHOF, length of time recording etc. It just goes on and on and on....Go fishing and relax your mind. :lol
Post by: border_reiver on March 16, 2018, 06:45:01 AM
It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
Other people have different feelings than you have. Sucks right?
The only reason people are here in general is because of MK the artist and creator of fine music. However, this might be entwined with the person he is or the choices he makes.
I bet there are people who love the music to death but can't stand the persona. And those who do both. But if you don't like the music well then you aren't on here are you?
I like most of his music and the person he seems to be. But I don't always agree with the choices being made. My days as a North Korean quit some 15 years ago.
People have opinions and feelings and yes, sarcasm may roam at times, but have you been to certain other artists' fan forums? It's not always pretty.
Post by: Fletch on March 16, 2018, 08:05:42 AM
As a friend quoted, "no matter how good an artist, music is not mathematics, your ability without public approval stays with you. And gratitude to your fans, it is not logic "clientelist."This sentence is brilliant.
Sorry I can't let this go! In fact, Music is similarly like Mathematics in that; your ability with or without public approval, is the same.
It's a subtle point that a significant proportion of the 7 billion people, currently on the planet, have objective abilities without public (i.e. celebrated) approval. These same people have sons & donkeys.
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Good Lord, the level of negativity on this site is really quite staggering. It's just never-ending. Setlists, flutes and pipes, guitar playing, RRHOF, length of time recording etc. It just goes on and on and on....
With all respect, but we already know you think this forum is very negative...There is no need for you to come here once in a while and say precisely that.
There are other forums where all are flowers and lollipops... spend your time in those and be happy...
Post by: Love Expresso on March 16, 2018, 08:26:30 AM
It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
You know what's so funny? I once liked and loved this place because exactly the same reason as you, the enlightening discussions and friendly people and stuff. But over the last couple of years more and more often people come up like you or Liz always critizing not MK but almost everything anyone said.. really, some of you appear like PC police or MK's lawyer, or better his Mother... it really spoils this place for me since months... wrong understood political correctness and a not healthy form of discussion culture and insane gender opinions ("...you guys") add to a new atmosphere of totally unrelaxed discussion form. I once said it, if you don't like the discussion level, come by and add something precious instead critizising others for their posts.
Discussion needs effort. Everything else is just talking.
Had to get this off my chest. Go on now and kill me.
LE
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 08:30:00 AM
As a friend quoted, "no matter how good an artist, music is not mathematics, your ability without public approval stays with you. And gratitude to your fans, it is not logic "clientelist."This sentence is brilliant.
Sorry I can't let this go! In fact, Music is similarly like Mathematics in that; your ability with or without public approval, is the same.
It's a subtle point that a significant proportion of the 7 billion people, currently on the planet, have objective abilities without public (i.e. celebrated) approval. These same people have sons & donkeys.
I'm sure there are many talented musicians with no public that can't make a living of it because nobody recognize their talent...
If the public hadn't paid any atention to DS music in the late 70's early 80's, MK wouldn't had been what he is now. Does he owes anything to fans? Maybe... they recognized his talent and bought his records and concerts tickets... what if public had ignored him instead?
Public is sometimes a little rare when it comes to recognize talented musicians... some are very fast forgotten, some are never recognized as much as they deserve, some are too much recognize according to their talent...
A musician without public recognition is nobody. A very talented nobody...
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 08:31:28 AM
It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
You know what's so funny? I once liked and loved this place because exactly the same reason as you, the enlightening discussions and friendly people and stuff. But over the last couple of years more and more often people come up like you or Liz always critizing not MK but almost everything anyone said.. really, some of you appear like PC police or MK's lawyer, or better his Mother... it really spoils this place for me since months... wrong understood political correctness and a not healthy form of discussion culture and insane gender opinions ("...you guys") add to a new atmosphere of totally unrelaxed discussion form. I once said it, if you don't like the discussion level, come by and add something precious instead critizising others for their posts.
Discussion needs effort. Everything else is just talking.
Had to get this off my chest. Go on now and kill me.
LE
Exactly. Well said.
I insist, there are other forums where everything are flowes and lollipops, and where even MK farts smells like roses, try them and leave us have our freedom of expression...
Post by: Elin N on March 16, 2018, 08:46:24 AM
We are very different people in here, just check out the list of which albums we like the most! Quite interesting :)
Think about your workplace: A colleague has experienced something bad, and the next day you hear a lot (too much) about it. Fair enough. Then you have the colleague where everything is wrong all the time; the weather, the computer programme, the lunch, the custumers, other colleagues, and on and on. A bit tiresome, right? :wave
This difference has become important to me personally, as I lost what I thought was friends of mine over it. I was disappointed and angry for a single day, and they could not accept it and I was not welcome anymore. Thankfully, people in here are allowed to have different opinions :)
Post by: boriszhukov on March 16, 2018, 08:53:37 AM
This attitude of applauding anything our idol does is a bad thing, in the case of MK, his attitude not to touch with the DS in the RRHF is yet another example that he does not care about his fans, from the oldest to the youngest . Actually that's a shame, that's mediocre, all we'll see is a video of the band with at least 26 years ago? What is the ultility of this, youtube has any video that they present in this ceremony, this I am already bald of so much to watch! They are alive and able to play, they are musicians, what matters here are the songs and what they represent, besides the importance of the band, it is not for this same reason that MK still plays today SOS, R & J, TR, BIA, SFA , MFN, WOL (the most played of DS in the shows of his solo career)? When it is time to celebrate all this, he will turn his back, perhaps not be present, and appearing, will not have any performance of the band, will let no band perform a tribute to the DS interpreting some song. Anyway, this is not logical, it is contradictory, a joke dull and there are people finding coherence in this attitude on his part.
(And to think ...MK keeps working so that the DS remains underestimated, with the help of conformist fans, who applaud everything he does, no exceptions).
This world is getting weirder! :think
Brunno (with double n) I can't take your input serious. Go back and check my posts on MK's stale setlists and my critical comments on some of the solo albums. Thats not exactly conformity.
Its ofcourse sad for all DS fans who was hoping for a performance or a pre-event statement. Personally I think a performance would have been fun, but I was never expecting it to happen. So I can accept it and look forward. Hopefully there will be another great MK tour and album. For those so unhappy with this, just dont support the next album or tour. Nobody is forcing you anyway.
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 09:07:55 AM
" he will turn his back, perhaps not be present, and appearing, will not have any performance of the band, will let no band perform a tribute to the DS interpreting some song."
This from Guy's Forum:
Hi Doc.
There’s a rumor on the internet that Mark himself has forbidden any tribute song during the RRHOF ceremony.
I don’t believe in such thing, but on the last 20 years the man himself simply keeps denying his past. So, in a certain way, sadly, its possible that this rumor is true.
Guy: " That rumour is of course nonsense."
Post by: olazabalrok on March 16, 2018, 09:28:46 AM
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 09:41:40 AM
Anyway, it would've been really nice to see them on stage and take a swing of sultans for old times sake.
I think it would have been a disaster! ::)
I expect MK will just accept the induction by video link and give his reasons for being absent, with, maybe, a clip of a DS performance. Guy, John and perhaps Alan will be in the audience. On the other hand, he may decide to attend - we don't actually know yet, so it is all just speculation at the moment, but I can understand why he wouldn't want to attend and I respect his reasons. :)
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 09:47:35 AM
Anyway, it would've been really nice to see them on stage and take a swing of sultans for old times sake.
I think it would have been a disaster! ::)
I expect MK will just accept the induction by video link and give his reasons for being absent, with, maybe, a clip of a DS performance. Guy, John and perhaps Alan will be in the audience. On the other hand, he may decide to attend - we don't actually know yet, so it is all just speculation at the moment, but I can understand why he wouldn't want to attend and I respect his reasons. :)
Val... Sultans is usually a disaster... LOL
Actually, the difficult part is MK's part, rythmic is not so difficult and David had played thousands and thousand of times,so just refresh the chords would had been easy, the drums are not so difficult when a professional do it and Guy and Alan could had played along nicely as good as they are... I'm sure it would had sound at least so bad as the usual Sultans performances by MK and his band.
One of the DS inductees had told me by facebook that MK and DK are not attending, and not sure about John, Alan and Guy, but apparently they are so... unless MK changes his mind in the last moment...
As a matter of fact, he is really busy with the musical and the final touches for his upcoming record, but, it's also true, that if he really wish it, he can find a gap to go to a nice restaurant in Madrid and enjoy the delicious cooking of that area...
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 10:04:23 AM
It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
You know what's so funny? I once liked and loved this place because exactly the same reason as you, the enlightening discussions and friendly people and stuff. But over the last couple of years more and more often people come up like you or Liz always critizing not MK but almost everything anyone said.. really, some of you appear like PC police or MK's lawyer, or better his Mother... it really spoils this place for me since months... wrong understood political correctness and a not healthy form of discussion culture and insane gender opinions ("...you guys") add to a new atmosphere of totally unrelaxed discussion form. I once said it, if you don't like the discussion level, come by and add something precious instead critizising others for their posts.
Discussion needs effort. Everything else is just talking.
Had to get this off my chest. Go on now and kill me.
LE
But girls are called "guys" too these days and anyway as the saying goes "if the cap fits, wear it"! ;)
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 10:10:06 AM
Jbaent - There are quite a few Sultans from recent years that I really enjoy and still listen to, especially those from 2010 and 2013 - notably Brighton 2010 and Manchester 2010. Brighton was different to others, because it had part of the end solo from the long 1992 versions, so it's not necessarily a disaster! ;)
"there are quite a few"
"from 2010 to 2013"
Funnily during the 2013 tour Sultans was left out from more than half of the tour, playing "Gator Blood" instead!!!!
I recall reading an Hal Lindes interview where he said that Sultans was a so great song that MK used to play the same solo night by night, note by note, exactly identical, to avoid the disaster of do a mess during the solo and offering the greatest experience in every show... things had changed a lot, LOL
I had to do a really big effort to recall one single SOS since 2005 that I thought it was good. I can recall some that I thought they were ok, but good... or excellent... since the STP tour... such a big effort that my head starts to ache.
I understand that he has to play to please the fans (please the fans?????) so I just suffer it in silence but... from I didn't enjoyed it since 2001 and I always wait the solo at the end with fear...
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 10:14:58 AM
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
Well, I was lucky enough to hear four in 2013 and enjoyed them all, but the ones in 2010 were better. :)
Also funnily... in the tour where SOS was dropped out of the set, I attended four shows and listened to SOS three times!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Coming back to the main thing... I'm sure that the DS ex members inducteed at the HOF would had played a same quality SOS than the one MK does nowadays, and all of you who says still like how MK does it nowadays will had enjoyed it too...
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 10:21:25 AM
Well, I was lucky enough to hear four in 2013 and enjoyed them all, but the ones in 2010 were better. :)
Coming back to the main thing... I'm sure that the DS ex members inducteed at the HOF would had played a same quality SOS than the one MK does nowadays, and all of you who says still like how MK does it nowadays will had enjoyed it too...
Maybe, but we will never know, unless........ then I will give my opinion! :)
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 16, 2018, 10:22:30 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on March 16, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
I read that interview and Hal is full of s*** lol Mark changed the solos every evening - playing those classic bits in between. But yeah, Sultans has been a disaster much more often than a joy over the last four tours or so. They could play Money for Nothing instead though.
Yeah, when I learned this song I enjoyed live performances like crazy, and also it's not too hard to sing so Mark could easily pull it off again. I'll take MFN over Sultans at any time. What a sound of LP, drive, rock, solos, etc.
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 10:59:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACo96SyMoWo
Post by: boriszhukov on March 16, 2018, 11:15:44 AM
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 11:22:21 AM
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 11:31:52 AM
It is possible :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACo96SyMoWo
That's more or less what I expect, but with just Mark on the video link! ;D
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 12:25:15 PM
... but is a missing chance to see the boys together again even for just once. Nostalgia...
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 16, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
It is possible :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACo96SyMoWo
I can see the folkies playing in the background and Mark saying he can't show up because he's very busy being on a spanish cousine tour :lol
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 12:36:36 PM
It is possible :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACo96SyMoWo
I can see the folkies playing in the background and Mark saying he can't show up because he's very busy being on a spanish cousine tour :lol
The folkies have no connection to DS.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 16, 2018, 12:38:34 PM
Anyway, that was just a joke.
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 12:41:40 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 12:41:50 PM
Neither did Hank Marvin :think
Anyway, that was just a joke.
I know! :wave
Post by: DS on March 16, 2018, 12:43:14 PM
I had to do a really big effort to recall one single SOS since 2005 that I thought it was good. I can recall some that I thought they were ok, but good... or excellent... since the STP tour... such a big effort that my head starts to ache.
Plot twist: he's doing it on purpose so that fans stop asking for it
Post by: PensaGhost on March 16, 2018, 01:02:02 PM
Guy Fletcher once 'officially' reported in his forum about 8-10 years ago that MK had considered an official DVD live at the Royal Albert Hall
but the idea was dropped because RAH fees were too high. Can you believe it ? Musical decisions taken solely on money and MK has not enough money to pay the RAH ? its the same guy who paid a dentist in 1990 with bags full of coins because he thought the price was too high
and the whole London laughed, I clearly remember the articles of the time.
Yet he seems a nice person overall, but from certain angles he is very strange, no doubt.
Post by: Love Expresso on March 16, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
I had to do a really big effort to recall one single SOS since 2005 that I thought it was good. I can recall some that I thought they were ok, but good... or excellent... since the STP tour... such a big effort that my head starts to ache.
Plot twist: he's doing it on purpose so that fans stop asking for it
Now that you made me thinking about it, I remember some very good versions of Sultans from the 2008 tour. Some were pretty weak but some almost flawless.. Hamburg 2008 is really great and among my all time favourite Sultans... and Danny had it absolutely... his drums and MK's guitar almost appeared as one soul... indeed 2013 hardly not one single Sultans without mistakes, greenies, missed lyrics and so on.. to be fair, Milan 2013 was very very good and had some lovely notes in it that I very often return to.
LE
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 01:17:12 PM
MK is a very strange person, which is quite normal for a genius but in this particular case has cons.
Guy Fletcher once 'officially' reported in his forum about 8-10 years ago that MK had considered an official DVD live at the Royal Albert Hall
but the idea was dropped because RAH fees were too high. Can you believe it ? Musical decisions taken solely on money and MK has not enough money to pay the RAH ? its the same guy who paid a dentist in 1990 with bags full of coins because he thought the price was too high
and the whole London laughed, I clearly remember the articles of the time.
Yet he seems a nice person overall, but from certain angles he is very strange, no doubt.
I remember the dentist saga, but, if I recall, he had a particular tooth crowned more than once and each time it had failed, so he paid with coins! I think MK was going through a difficult time in his life at that time - divorce, break up of the band, etc!
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 01:22:06 PM
I had to do a really big effort to recall one single SOS since 2005 that I thought it was good. I can recall some that I thought they were ok, but good... or excellent... since the STP tour... such a big effort that my head starts to ache.
Plot twist: he's doing it on purpose so that fans stop asking for it
Now that you made me thinking about it, I remember some very good versions of Sultans from the 2008 tour. Some were pretty weak but some almost flawless.. Hamburg 2008 is really great and among my all time favourite Sultans... and Danny had it absolutely... his drums and MK's guitar almost appeared as one soul... indeed 2013 hardly not one single Sultans without mistakes, greenies, missed lyrics and so on.. to be fair, Milan 2013 was very very good and had some lovely notes in it that I very often return to.
LE
I remember that Locarno 2010 was a favourite of yours, LE. How did you rate Sultans from that concert?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 16, 2018, 01:26:48 PM
2010 had many great Sultans, too, without no doubt
LE
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Very good also. But 2010 they changed the beginning and the count-in. That Locarno recording had Richard very loud in the mix which I love very much. They shortened the play-out and made it not so pompous like Alchemy for example, but I am not sure when they did that for the first time, 2005 or 2008..
2010 had many great Sultans, too, without no doubt
LE
Yes, all four of the ones I heard in 2010 were great, in fact 2010 is my favourite tour, even though MK sat on a stool! I still listen to those concerts with pleasure. :)
Post by: Jules on March 16, 2018, 02:03:21 PM
Very good also. But 2010 they changed the beginning and the count-in. That Locarno recording had Richard very loud in the mix which I love very much. They shortened the play-out and made it not so pompous like Alchemy for example, but I am not sure when they did that for the first time, 2005 or 2008..
2010 had many great Sultans, too, without no doubt
LE
Yes, all four of the ones I heard in 2010 were great, in fact 2010 is my favourite tour, even though MK sat on a stool! I still listen to those concerts with pleasure. :)
I totally agree. I have also in the car a cd with the mp3 of Madrid 2010 that oficially released, as a gift, in the Privateering deluxe box and it's so unbelievable good...
That was a great tour, really, in musical terms. I miss Danny a lot. I don't recall that Sultans as special but ok.
Post by: dmg on March 16, 2018, 02:20:11 PM
It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
You know what's so funny? I once liked and loved this place because exactly the same reason as you, the enlightening discussions and friendly people and stuff. But over the last couple of years more and more often people come up like you or Liz always critizing not MK but almost everything anyone said.. really, some of you appear like PC police or MK's lawyer, or better his Mother... it really spoils this place for me since months... wrong understood political correctness and a not healthy form of discussion culture and insane gender opinions ("...you guys") add to a new atmosphere of totally unrelaxed discussion form. I once said it, if you don't like the discussion level, come by and add something precious instead critizising others for their posts.
Discussion needs effort. Everything else is just talking.
Had to get this off my chest. Go on now and kill me.
LE
:clap :clap
I won't kill you - I could kiss you! I've been wanting to say this for ages.
Post by: Don70 on March 16, 2018, 02:28:59 PM
Good Lord, the level of negativity on this site is really quite staggering. It's just never-ending. Setlists, flutes and pipes, guitar playing, RRHOF, length of time recording etc. It just goes on and on and on....
With all respect, but we already know you think this forum is very negative...There is no need for you to come here once in a while and say precisely that.
There are other forums where all are flowers and lollipops... spend your time in those and be happy...
I call you on your continual negativity and you ask me leave ... typical.
Post by: cannibals on March 16, 2018, 03:24:14 PM
One for the inductionvideo!!! :clap :clap :clap
Not the video, but the song ofcourse
Post by: Dutchessy on March 16, 2018, 03:57:52 PM
Post by: cannibals on March 16, 2018, 04:17:57 PM
Awsome recording. Which show is this from?
I have no idea. DS at their best indeed. I think it is from a bootleg during the BIA tour in the USA.
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/straits.htm
Post by: Lis on March 16, 2018, 07:50:38 PM
LE:It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
You know what's so funny? I once liked and loved this place because exactly the same reason as you, the enlightening discussions and friendly people and stuff. But over the last couple of years more and more often people come up like you or Liz always critizing not MK but almost everything anyone said.. really, some of you appear like PC police or MK's lawyer, or better his Mother... it really spoils this place for me since months... wrong understood political correctness and a not healthy form of discussion culture and insane gender opinions ("...you guys") add to a new atmosphere of totally unrelaxed discussion form. I once said it, if you don't like the discussion level, come by and add something precious instead critizising others for their posts.
Discussion needs effort. Everything else is just talking.
Had to get this off my chest. Go on now and kill me.
LE
My reference to "...you guys" was not intended to be gender-specific. (English doesn’t have a plural “you”; in the US, people have adopted ‘you all’ or ‘you guys’). You made the assumption that this was a gender attack – which it wasn’t. I could assume that your reference to MK’s “Mother” was meant to be a (non-existent) return gender attack, but I just don’t care…
Many people have posted their dissatisfaction with AMIT over the past couple of years; about the ‘whiners’, the PC police, the negativity (i.e. “MK hater’s society’), the flowery fans, etc. There has also been a lot of complaining about the complaining. I feel that AMIT is becoming a hostile environment; new members are often ridiculed, sarcasm has become caustic, and personal attacks are rampant. I prefer a more friendly environment, and hope that AMIT becomes this once again. (Also, some may mistake my ‘friendlier’ with ‘politically correct’, or think I am trying to limit discussion. However, I am absolutely in favor of a healthy discussion, and I don’t ask anyone to be PC.) In other words, I am not asking for people to agree, but I do appreciate a healthy environment. And if my presence here spoils this place for you, I understand you can block my posts.
Also, my name is Lis – not Liz.
Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2018, 07:58:58 PM
LE:It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
You know what's so funny? I once liked and loved this place because exactly the same reason as you, the enlightening discussions and friendly people and stuff. But over the last couple of years more and more often people come up like you or Liz always critizing not MK but almost everything anyone said.. really, some of you appear like PC police or MK's lawyer, or better his Mother... it really spoils this place for me since months... wrong understood political correctness and a not healthy form of discussion culture and insane gender opinions ("...you guys") add to a new atmosphere of totally unrelaxed discussion form. I once said it, if you don't like the discussion level, come by and add something precious instead critizising others for their posts.
Discussion needs effort. Everything else is just talking.
Had to get this off my chest. Go on now and kill me.
LE
My reference to "...you guys" was not intended to be gender-specific. (English doesn’t have a plural “you”; in the US, people have adopted ‘you all’ or ‘you guys’). You made the assumption that this was a gender attack – which it wasn’t. I could assume that your reference to MK’s “Mother” was meant to be a (non-existent) return gender attack, but I just don’t care…
Many people have posted their dissatisfaction with AMIT over the past couple of years; about the ‘whiners’, the PC police, the negativity (i.e. “MK hater’s society’), the flowery fans, etc. There has also been a lot of complaining about the complaining. I feel that AMIT is becoming a hostile environment; new members are often ridiculed, sarcasm has become caustic, and personal attacks are rampant. I prefer a more friendly environment, and hope that AMIT becomes this once again. (Also, some may mistake my ‘friendlier’ with ‘politically correct’, or think I am trying to limit discussion. However, I am absolutely in favor of a healthy discussion, and I don’t ask anyone to be PC.) In other words, I am not asking for people to agree, but I do appreciate a healthy environment. And if my presence here spoils this place for you, I understand you can block my posts.
Also, my name is Lis – not Liz.
Well said, Lis!
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
LE:It’s unfortunate, because a lot of the time there’s actually some enlightening conversation on here. Then there’s other times when it seems like a MK hater’s society.
You know what's so funny? I once liked and loved this place because exactly the same reason as you, the enlightening discussions and friendly people and stuff. But over the last couple of years more and more often people come up like you or Liz always critizing not MK but almost everything anyone said.. really, some of you appear like PC police or MK's lawyer, or better his Mother... it really spoils this place for me since months... wrong understood political correctness and a not healthy form of discussion culture and insane gender opinions ("...you guys") add to a new atmosphere of totally unrelaxed discussion form. I once said it, if you don't like the discussion level, come by and add something precious instead critizising others for their posts.
Discussion needs effort. Everything else is just talking.
Had to get this off my chest. Go on now and kill me.
LE
My reference to "...you guys" was not intended to be gender-specific. (English doesn’t have a plural “you”; in the US, people have adopted ‘you all’ or ‘you guys’). You made the assumption that this was a gender attack – which it wasn’t. I could assume that your reference to MK’s “Mother” was meant to be a (non-existent) return gender attack, but I just don’t care…
Many people have posted their dissatisfaction with AMIT over the past couple of years; about the ‘whiners’, the PC police, the negativity (i.e. “MK hater’s society’), the flowery fans, etc. There has also been a lot of complaining about the complaining. I feel that AMIT is becoming a hostile environment; new members are often ridiculed, sarcasm has become caustic, and personal attacks are rampant. I prefer a more friendly environment, and hope that AMIT becomes this once again. (Also, some may mistake my ‘friendlier’ with ‘politically correct’, or think I am trying to limit discussion. However, I am absolutely in favor of a healthy discussion, and I don’t ask anyone to be PC.) In other words, I am not asking for people to agree, but I do appreciate a healthy environment. And if my presence here spoils this place for you, I understand you can block my posts.
Also, my name is Lis – not Liz.
:thumbsup
Post by: Love Expresso on March 16, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
LE
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 16, 2018, 08:36:16 PM
Mark’s been part of my life since I was child. I criticize him as I criticize my sister for having chosen the douche she married or my mate for his political views. When it’s all said and done love is still around and it’s all good. I only criticize Mark because I care about him and want him to love me back but we all know it’s a different kind of relationship where one end has the saying and all the other end can do is to accept it. But we are still here, because we never give up.
If what we say or want is irrelevant to Mark let’s at least accept each other, shall we. Everyone around loves Mark in their own unique way. Some are more tolerant, some are more affective, some are more judgemental, yes, but one shouldn’t tell others how to love.
I think I’m too sensitive today. It’s my latin blood boiling up within, sorry lol
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 08:41:57 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 16, 2018, 08:43:50 PM
I agree with you
That’s a first :clap :lol
Post by: Love Expresso on March 16, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
LE
Post by: Lis on March 16, 2018, 08:58:42 PM
I wonder if you guys don’t criticize family or friends when they screw up.But I AM criticizing my family. I am calling out the fact that AMIT has become so negative that people are openly rude to one another.
Mark’s been part of my life since I was child. I criticize him as I criticize my sister for having chosen the douche she married or my mate for his political views. When it’s all said and done love is still around and it’s all good. I only criticize Mark because I care about him and want him to love me back but we all know it’s a different kind of relationship where one end has the saying and all the other end can do is to accept it. But we are still here, because we never give up.
If what we say or want is irrelevant to Mark let’s at least accept each other, shall we. Everyone around loves Mark in their own unique way. Some are more tolerant, some are more affective, some are more judgemental, yes, but one shouldn’t tell the others how to love.
I think I’m too sensitive today. It’s my latin blood boiling up within, sorry lol
If I don’t criticize MK, it might be because I don’t care about any the things that might upset others. He misses a note? Misses 20 notes? Not a big deal for me. He doesn’t do what I want him to do? I’m sorry, I can’t will him to be a different person. I am happy to be a fan, and when I can, I will go see him live. And when that isn’t fun for me anymore, I’ll stop going to shows.
But finding fault with his decision to play or not play at the RRHOF? This could be family obligations, band, fan, or health issues -- or anything else that we may never fully understand. I haven’t walked a mile in his shoes, and I don’t dare surmise his reason for not performing.
Post by: dmg on March 16, 2018, 09:04:10 PM
My opinion is that I earned very hard the right to criticize him because of 33 years of insane fandom most of the time and far too many concert visits and stuff.
LE
Criticism is only negativity if perceived as such. It is really another opinion and if people don't like it they should man up or challenge it. Just keep it friendly though.
Opinions are all about showing respect and some people here are showing no respect for those who criticise.
Post by: Elin N on March 16, 2018, 09:08:28 PM
I wonder if you guys don’t criticize family or friends when they screw up.It took me a while to understand this, seriously. Explanations are always a good thing! I think I understand more on how you are thinking, but at the same time, I don't understand, because I would never treat family and friends that way. Differences
Mark’s been part of my life since I was child. I criticize him as I criticize my sister for having chosen the douche she married or my mate for his political views. When it’s all said and done love is still around and it’s all good. I only criticize Mark because I care about him and want him to love me back but we all know it’s a different kind of relationship where one end has the saying and all the other end can do is to accept it. But we are still here, because we never give up.
If what we say or want is irrelevant to Mark let’s at least accept each other, shall we. Everyone around loves Mark in their own unique way. Some are more tolerant, some are more affective, some are more judgemental, yes, but one shouldn’t tell others how to love.
I think I’m too sensitive today. It’s my latin blood boiling up within, sorry lol
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Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
I think the same
Post by: dmg on March 16, 2018, 09:12:24 PM
I certainly never expected it and although I thought he might turn up to accept it I'm glad he isn't as it would be rather embarrassing and a real slap in the face for everyone concerned.
He has been known to turn up to accept other, less prestigious awards though, notably the Edison Award in 2003 where he performed with the b-band WoL, Devil Baby and WII.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 16, 2018, 09:42:37 PM
Post by: boriszhukov on March 16, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
Post by: boriszhukov on March 16, 2018, 10:43:46 PM
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 10:52:57 PM
Post by: boriszhukov on March 16, 2018, 11:03:34 PM
Post by: Robson on March 16, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
Post by: Robson on March 17, 2018, 02:06:52 AM
Post by: cannibals on March 17, 2018, 09:06:26 AM
Perhaps it has something new? Like a demo?
Check out April 13
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/april-2018-new-music-release/
Post by: JF on March 17, 2018, 09:13:17 AM
Together with the RRHOF Dire Straits are set to release the studio albums 1978-1991. Coincidence?
Perhaps it has something new? Like a demo?
Check out April 13
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/april-2018-new-music-release/
it was released in 2013
http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/dire-straits-the-complete-studio-albums-1978-1991-vinyl-box/ (http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/dire-straits-the-complete-studio-albums-1978-1991-vinyl-box/)
https://www.amazon.fr/Dire-Straits-Studio-Albums-1978-1991/dp/B00F469JLQ (https://www.amazon.fr/Dire-Straits-Studio-Albums-1978-1991/dp/B00F469JLQ)
https://www.discogs.com/fr/Dire-Straits-The-Studio-Albums-1978-1991/release/5139357 (https://www.discogs.com/fr/Dire-Straits-The-Studio-Albums-1978-1991/release/5139357)
Post by: cannibals on March 17, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
https://www.popmarket.com/studio-albums-1978-1991/603497860562?az=2-11055
It is reissued.
https://wncx.radio.com/2018/02/14/dire-straits-reissues-studio-albums/
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/dire-straits-back-to-black-box-studio-lps-to-be-reissued.732451/
Post by: Robson on March 19, 2018, 12:49:08 PM
I will be there along with John. At this moment, I can't speak for the others...for various and convoluted reasons.
Post by: binone on March 19, 2018, 12:59:44 PM
convoluted is today's
Post by: dmg on March 19, 2018, 01:07:47 PM
I won't go to bed without learning a new Word.
convoluted is today's
Merriam-Webster defines it as:
a person or an organization that pays for or plans a project or activity. ;)
Post by: Jules on March 19, 2018, 01:09:49 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 19, 2018, 01:10:52 PM
I won't go to bed without learning a new Word.
convoluted is today's
Merriam-Webster defines it as:
a person or an organization that pays for or plans a project or activity. ;)
My Oxford Dictionary defines convoluted as "coiled or twisted" . ;)
Post by: dmg on March 19, 2018, 01:23:44 PM
I won't go to bed without learning a new Word.
convoluted is today's
Merriam-Webster defines it as:
a person or an organization that pays for or plans a project or activity. ;)
My Oxford Dictionary defines convoluted as "coiled or twisted" . ;)
:lol :lol
The truth is probably more accurate!
Post by: Jules on March 19, 2018, 01:29:36 PM
I won't go to bed without learning a new Word.
convoluted is today's
Merriam-Webster defines it as:
a person or an organization that pays for or plans a project or activity. ;)
My Oxford Dictionary defines convoluted as "coiled or twisted" . ;)
:lol :lol
The truth is probably more accurate!
Believe me, is because the organisation promised to pay the expenses of all of them but in the end is nit doing it.
John and Guy go on representation.
Post by: superval99 on March 19, 2018, 01:42:08 PM
One of the definitions:
a convoluted explanation that left the listeners even more confused than they were before. ;D
Post by: primi on March 19, 2018, 01:47:54 PM
Post by: Jules on March 19, 2018, 01:51:39 PM
Post by: Robson on March 19, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
Post by: binone on March 19, 2018, 02:00:34 PM
You play, we pay. You don't play you go your own sweet way.I won't go to bed without learning a new Word.
convoluted is today's
Merriam-Webster defines it as:
a person or an organization that pays for or plans a project or activity. ;)
My Oxford Dictionary defines convoluted as "coiled or twisted" . ;)
The truth is probably more accurate!
Believe me, is because the organisation promised to pay the expenses of all of them but in the end is nit doing it.
John and Guy go on representation.
Post by: Pottel on March 19, 2018, 02:23:01 PM
yes for sure OES was a fine album in many ways. But considering the commercial pressure it failed big time and some songs seemed forced and manufactured too much as replacements / carbon copies of WOL. MNF AND BIA.Failing big time does not fit he sales of this album . Rather, sold less then....
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Post by: allen on March 19, 2018, 02:34:01 PM
Post by: cannibals on March 19, 2018, 02:40:17 PM
My opinion... Hall of fame didn't liked that they were not performing and had second thoughts about paying their expenses...
How do you know that Hall of fame is not paying their expenses jbaent?? Do you have a inside man :lol
Post by: allen on March 19, 2018, 02:45:42 PM
In my opinion, MK does not want to sit with them at the same table, let alone performing with them.
Post by: Jules on March 19, 2018, 02:50:51 PM
My opinion... Hall of fame didn't liked that they were not performing and had second thoughts about paying their expenses...
How do you know that Hall of fame is not paying their expenses jbaen Edt?? Do you have a inside man :lol
I asked one of them
Post by: Jules on March 19, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
If RRHOF won't pay, still DS can be there, but no performance. This does not lead to MK's absence there. It is not money that matters. MK can earn even more money if he wants.
In my opinion, MK does not want to sit with them at the same table, let alone performing with them.
Someone has to pay the flights, hotels, and all expenses for the days they are in
Post by: boriszhukov on March 19, 2018, 03:00:14 PM
Failing big time does not fit he sales of this album . Rather, sold less then....
Failingin the sense of making any new hits on the level of the tracks on BIA, LOG, MM etc. Almost everybody was expecting something else than a countryfied album. Album sales were weak compared to BIA (but it would be hard to come close to matching it no matter what they did). The tour was a huge success though.
Some numbers can be seen here. https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=61851
Post by: Pottel on March 19, 2018, 03:18:47 PM
True, still, 95% of the artists today would give both arms for such salesFailing big time does not fit he sales of this album . Rather, sold less then....
Failingin the sense of making any new hits on the level of the tracks on BIA, LOG, MM etc. Almost everybody was expecting something else than a countryfied album. Album sales were weak compared to BIA (but it would be hard to come close to matching it no matter what they did). The tour was a huge success though.
Some numbers can be seen here. https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=61851
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Post by: allen on March 19, 2018, 03:22:18 PM
Source from Alan Clark's official website: http://www.alanclarkmusic.com/bio
Post by: allen on March 19, 2018, 03:27:05 PM
Source from Alan Clark's official website: http://www.alanclarkmusic.com/bio
Post by: Jules on March 19, 2018, 04:44:51 PM
Alan, if you are reading this, hats off amigo!
Post by: boriszhukov on March 19, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
True, still, 95% of the artists today would give both arms for such sales
Oh absolutely, but can't be compared of course. Isolated the tour and record made a lot of money. The tour alone grossed more than 120 million pounds. But expactations insanely high for the followup to BIA. And in that light it didn't deliver. In hindsight and given the material MK had for GH and STP it was the right call to end DS, while still being on the level they were.
A couple of comments on it:
"The last tour was utter misery," said manager Ed Bicknell. "Whatever the zeitgeist was that we had been part of, it had passed." "Personal relationships were in trouble and it put a terrible strain on everybody, emotionally and physically," agreed Illsley. "We were changed by it."
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 19, 2018, 06:21:04 PM
Can’t wait to see how he and his band will capitalize on the induction...
Post by: Trawlerman on March 19, 2018, 06:23:11 PM
Inductees have 2 free seats. Family, kids, parents or whatever, have to pay for a seat if they want to go. A table costs $50.000. That's the price you have to pay if your father is inducted and you want to attend the event at the best seats.
I told you, HoF is just a greedy corporation, nothing more, nothing prestigious about it, it's not like the awards or something.
But back to the point, inductees are invited, it doesn't mean the hall covers the expenses.
In other words, induction itself is free, attending the ceremony is not.
It has absolutely nothing to do with playing a couple of songs or not.
Post by: Jules on March 19, 2018, 06:40:42 PM
We are soooooo lucky!
Post by: Trawlerman on March 19, 2018, 07:01:25 PM
So, if you have to travel from the UK, pay a hotel and launch, dinner, breakfast, taxis etc... We have to thank John, Alan and Guy for attending!!!!!
We are soooooo lucky!
Exactly
For the same reason the s.ex pistols didn't attend. They thought $25,000 just to sit at one of the ceremony’s tables was a bit exagerated especially when you're invited and inducted.
Post by: guitarbrother on March 19, 2018, 11:52:43 PM
BTW: The concert was really good. Most of the Dire Straits songs had more soul, more feeling than they had on the last MK tours.
Post by: PensaGhost on March 20, 2018, 01:09:20 AM
Just back from John Illsley´s concert in Aschaffenburg. Although I know the answer from Guy´s forum I asked John about beging at the ceremony. He said that he will be there but that their definitely won't be a performance. He seems to be a bit disappointed by saying so. But that might be to much interpretation after this gig.
Infact he is not a bit disappointed, but very likely very disappointed
Post by: binone on March 20, 2018, 07:36:18 AM
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
LOVE over gold
:)
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 10:52:29 AM
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 10:59:37 AM
The last time was the chance to see DS at the Live 8 charity concert in 2005. RHOF is a different story.
All the years at the RAH there are a number of dates in which famous bands play concerts in aids to the Teenage Cancer Trust, and that concerts are organized by, or is involved in the organization, Paul Crockford Management. Does the name rings the bell?
MK has said many times that DS will come back only for a charity concert. His own manager organize or is involve every year with this trust, and MK never played in that concerts (he was about to do it in 2003 with Eric Clapton but was cancelled because of his motorbike accident) so, if MK as a solo artist never played for that concerts, how imagine DS will do it...
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 11:04:10 AM
The last time was the chance to see DS at the Live 8 charity concert in 2005. RHOF is a different story.
All the years at the RAH there are a number of dates in which famous bands play concerts in aids to the Teenage Cancer Trust, and that concerts are organized by, or is involved in the organization, Paul Crockford Management. Does the name rings the bell?
MK has said many times that DS will come back only for a charity concert. His own manager organize or is involve every year with this trust, and MK never played in that concerts (he was about to do it in 2003 with Eric Clapton but was cancelled because of his motorbike accident) so, if MK as a solo artist never played for that concerts, how imagine DS will do it...
Until the Tracker tour, MK designated each night of his RAH concerts to different charities, including Teenage Cancer Trust. :)
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 11:04:29 AM
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 11:05:57 AM
The last time was the chance to see DS at the Live 8 charity concert in 2005. RHOF is a different story.
All the years at the RAH there are a number of dates in which famous bands play concerts in aids to the Teenage Cancer Trust, and that concerts are organized by, or is involved in the organization, Paul Crockford Management. Does the name rings the bell?
MK has said many times that DS will come back only for a charity concert. His own manager organize or is involve every year with this trust, and MK never played in that concerts (he was about to do it in 2003 with Eric Clapton but was cancelled because of his motorbike accident) so, if MK as a solo artist never played for that concerts, how imagine DS will do it...
Until the Tracker tour, MK designated each night of his RAH concerts to different charities, including Teenage Cancer Trust. :)
Exactly
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 11:29:03 AM
The last time was the chance to see DS at the Live 8 charity concert in 2005. RHOF is a different story.
All the years at the RAH there are a number of dates in which famous bands play concerts in aids to the Teenage Cancer Trust, and that concerts are organized by, or is involved in the organization, Paul Crockford Management. Does the name rings the bell?
MK has said many times that DS will come back only for a charity concert. His own manager organize or is involve every year with this trust, and MK never played in that concerts (he was about to do it in 2003 with Eric Clapton but was cancelled because of his motorbike accident) so, if MK as a solo artist never played for that concerts, how imagine DS will do it...
Until the Tracker tour, MK designated each night of his RAH concerts to different charities, including Teenage Cancer Trust. :)
Yes. But I'm talking about a special series of concerts that are made with the purpose to get funds for that trust, and happens all the years, and happen in different dates than the MK tour dates.
Since 2015 that was MK last tour, that series of concerts had happened in 2016, 2017 and will happen in 2018, and year by year, all the years since many years ago.
MK doesn't take part in that series of concerts, neither DS of course, he just decide to give money for his own dates to the charity, which is not the same.
DS played at the Live Aid concert, which is not the same if DS decided not to play at the stadium, but donate funds to the same cause from theirs concerts at Wembley Arena, yes, they give the money anyway, but they don't take part at the Live Aid concerts...
That Teenage CAncert TRust concerts are great because some special things happens... Some years ago Noel Gallagher and Damon Albarn played a gig together... you might remember that it was supposed they hated each other when the "brit-pop war" between Oasis and Blur in the 90's...
MK and Clapton were about to play together for that trust series of concerts, but it was cancelled, and since then, MK name wasn't in the list of that series of concerts.
Actually, he could had played at that concerts when he is not touring because that series of concerts are usually one offs, special events, it would had been great to make this long waiting less long
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 11:37:40 AM
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
I understand what you are saying, Jbaent, but please give MK recognition for his work with different charities. You could have mentioned the RAH concerts in your post, but you made it sound as though MK does nothing for charity, when in fact he does a great deal. Celebrities support charities in their own way and MK does it in his own way. A bit more praise for MK would be nice to hear for a change! ;)
Of course I will give recognition for him about this, that's not what I'm talking about...
I'm talking about one offs concerts for charities where DS could had came back, or MK could had played between tours.
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
:thumbsup
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
I have both good and critic opinion about MK. I'm not a sheep. MK does things well, and MK does things wrong, as any other.
Did I critiziced MK today? You should clear your eyes with clear water before read...
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 12:19:43 PM
I understand what you are saying, Jbaent, but please give MK recognition for his work with different charities. You could have mentioned the RAH concerts in your post, but you made it sound as though MK does nothing for charity, when in fact he does a great deal. Celebrities support charities in their own way and MK does it in his own way. A bit more praise for MK would be nice to hear for a change! ;)
Of course I will give recognition for him about this, that's not what I'm talking about...
I'm talking about one offs concerts for charities where DS could had came back, or MK could had played between tours.
You must know by now that MK does things in his own way and other celebrities do things in their own way - some even to massage their own dwindling musical career - not MK though, he has no need for that, especially bringing DS back together - perish the thought! ::)
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
:thumbsup
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
I have both good and critic opinion about MK. I'm not a sheep. MK does things well, and MK does things wrong, as any other.
Did I critiziced MK today? You should clear your eyes with clear water before read...
Unnecessary maliciousness. You criticize very often. This is my observation.
MK does a lot in his own way. It's natural. That's all
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 12:24:57 PM
:hmm
:smack
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 12:35:50 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 20, 2018, 01:33:16 PM
I don't know, every single time someone says anything that's not in the manual this person is criticized. It's so boring. Feels like primary school.
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 01:38:50 PM
Robson, sometimes it feels like you live in wonderland lol as long as it's MK related everything is good, everyone is great... but in the moment someone says anything negative about Mark everything changes. Life is not black and white, we all operate in that grey area in between, my friend. Including Mark.
I don't know, every single time someone says anything that's not in the manual this person is criticized. It's so boring. Feels like primary school.
Yes... this forum was great once, lately it looks like a dangerous place to be... it's starting to be boring and scary at the same time.
Post by: Robson on March 20, 2018, 01:52:11 PM
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 01:58:56 PM
Slowly slowly. This is a discussion forum, right? Everyone can say what he thinks. Everyone can criticize me, but I can also write that I do not like sarcasm and eternal criticism and grumbling. That's all
It's ok to express your opinion, whatever it is, positive or negative. It's NOT OK to tell the other what they can say.
When you critizise MK, this is the place. When you critizise what forumers say... that's a limit nobody should trespass. You are telling the other that his opinion is not right, you are telling the others you can't tell that, I don't like that you tell that.
This is not a forum to say other forumers what to say.
If it is, let me know, it's getting more and more boring and more and more childish.
If it is, congratulations, in months you will have another very nice forum like the ones in mknews...
Is that what you want?
It's ok with me if that's what you want.
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 02:07:54 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 02:10:48 PM
Post by: Elin N on March 20, 2018, 02:12:04 PM
With all the info on how much this RORHOF circus costs, I sort of feel that none of them should be there, only by video like Mark will. The whole thing is just to make money and force bands to reunite.
Post by: Jules on March 20, 2018, 02:20:10 PM
Those rules should apply both ways, please!
But...
but when someone express their negative opinions, are not telling the rest of people they can't have a positive opinion!!!!!!!!
But whoever that dares to have a negative opinion is said that its opinion is not right!!!!!
Don't press the exit button. It's me who is tired to talk to a wall.
Have fun
ps: I'm not talking to you Val, i'm talking in general. You know I appreciate you a lot, and I'm gonna miss you.
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 02:29:53 PM
Post by: Don70 on March 20, 2018, 02:31:55 PM
:thumbsup
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
Exactly.
Post by: Dutchessy on March 20, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
:thumbsup
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
Exactly.
Thanks for your great contribution to his forum with this post. :clap It's only to provoke Jbaent. Everybody is free to criticise, but can you stop now with criticise fellow members?
Post by: wayaman on March 20, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
:thumbsup
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
Exactly.
Everybody please forgive me but I had to say it...
Don70, are you idiot?
How old are you? 7 years old?
Post by: Don70 on March 20, 2018, 03:02:26 PM
:thumbsup
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
Exactly.
Everybody please forgive me but I had to say it...
Don70, are you idiot?
How old are you? 7 years old?
Wow! What a comment. Thanks for a good laugh. I needed that.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 20, 2018, 03:06:44 PM
Post by: wayaman on March 20, 2018, 04:12:11 PM
http://s7.zetaboards.com/Silvertown_Blues/index/
Some of you would really enjoy to be in heaven instead of this hell of negativity.
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 04:19:08 PM
Maybe you don't know but exists another fan forum called Silvertown blues where everything is sun rays, blue clouds and love and happiness...
http://s7.zetaboards.com/Silvertown_Blues/index/
Some of you would really enjoy to be in heaven instead of this hell of negativity.
Of course! I'm a member there too! It gives another aspect to what is discussed here! :) Very friendly!
Post by: Marijo58 on March 20, 2018, 04:58:28 PM
I understand what you are saying, Jbaent, but please give MK recognition for his work with different charities. You could have mentioned the RAH concerts in your post, but you made it sound as though MK does nothing for charity, when in fact he does a great deal. Celebrities support charities in their own way and MK does it in his own way. A bit more praise for MK would be nice to hear for a change! ;)I agree with you Superval99. Well said!!
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 20, 2018, 05:04:01 PM
Perfectly normal reaction of John Illsley!! But MK is a Britton. They make a decision and stick to it!!Just back from John Illsley´s concert in Aschaffenburg. Although I know the answer from Guy´s forum I asked John about beging at the ceremony. He said that he will be there but that their definitely won't be a performance. He seems to be a bit disappointed by saying so. But that might be to much interpretation after this gig.
Infact he is not a bit disappointed, but very likely very disappointed
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Post by: crimmer on March 20, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
Perfectly normal reaction of John Illsley!! But MK is a Britton. They make a decision and stick to it!!Just back from John Illsley´s concert in Aschaffenburg. Although I know the answer from Guy´s forum I asked John about beging at the ceremony. He said that he will be there but that their definitely won't be a performance. He seems to be a bit disappointed by saying so. But that might be to much interpretation after this gig.
Infact he is not a bit disappointed, but very likely very disappointed
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oh yes we do ;D I'm the same ,a typical English reaction, im so so glad he isint going to the hall of fame stuff and getting back into doing that straits stuff.
but at the end of the day i guess were all just looking forward to a new release and tour at the end of the day and enjoy seeing mark play and enjoy his albums, and he still with us and playing to a good standard :) i know i am.
ive seen van morrsion and paul weller live the last few months and still not a patch on mark's talent.
paul weller has lots of energy on stage but his other guitarist does the leg work for him, mark , Clapton, chris rea who have over 10 years on paul weller less energy on stage but play a lot lot more , so was great to see ,
mark wont ever be as quick as he was back in the day but for a 68 year old he can still play and produce great albums
and long may it continue, we all have our little moans about him , but we love him and love seeing him play live and that's why we are on this forum all waiting for this next tour and album!!!!!
Post by: Don70 on March 20, 2018, 05:38:13 PM
Post by: dmg on March 20, 2018, 05:47:44 PM
Perfectly normal reaction of John Illsley!! But MK is a Britton. They make a decision and stick to it!!Just back from John Illsley´s concert in Aschaffenburg. Although I know the answer from Guy´s forum I asked John about beging at the ceremony. He said that he will be there but that their definitely won't be a performance. He seems to be a bit disappointed by saying so. But that might be to much interpretation after this gig.
Infact he is not a bit disappointed, but very likely very disappointed
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oh yes we do ;D I'm the same ,a typical English reaction, im so so glad he isint going to the hall of fame stuff and getting back into doing that straits stuff.
but at the end of the day i guess were all just looking forward to a new realise and tour at the end of the day and enjoy seeing mark play and enjoy his albums, and he still with us and playing to a good standard :) i know i am.
ive seen van morrsion and paul weller live the last few months and still not a patch on mark's talent.
paul weller has lots of energy on stage but his other guitarist does the leg work for him, mark , Clapton, chris rea who have over 10 years on paul weller less energy on stage but play a lot lot more , so was great to see ,
mark wont ever be as quick as he was back in the day but for a 68 year old he can still play and produce great albums
and long may it continue, we all have our little moans about him , but we love him and love seeing him play live and that's why we are on this forum all waiting for this next tour and album!!!!!
Good summary of how a lot of us probably feel. Who was it that said "Criticism: The Highest Form of Flattery?" Can't remember right now.
Post by: DS on March 20, 2018, 06:00:13 PM
I’ve been asked to leave numerous times and been called a hypocrite, idiot, 7 year old etc. All for questioning why certain individuals, who obviously don’t like where MK has taken his career in the past 10 years or so, feel the need to constantly post negative comments on a fan site.Most of those "negative comments" are just jokes. Jokes are good. Jokes are a sign of admitting our weaknesses (or those of the things or the people we admire), thus as sign of being open to dialogue.
I honestly don't see the problem here. Are we offending you?
The only problem I see is that every nice topic ends up on talking about "offending MK". Maybe Mark told you that he feels hurt by reading AMIT?
Sorry if I'm harsh, I usually try to understand opposite views of the world but this doesn't make any sense to me at all, unless if you're a teenager or stuff like that.
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 06:03:35 PM
Perfectly normal reaction of John Illsley!! But MK is a Britton. They make a decision and stick to it!!Just back from John Illsley´s concert in Aschaffenburg. Although I know the answer from Guy´s forum I asked John about beging at the ceremony. He said that he will be there but that their definitely won't be a performance. He seems to be a bit disappointed by saying so. But that might be to much interpretation after this gig.
Infact he is not a bit disappointed, but very likely very disappointed
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oh yes we do ;D I'm the same ,a typical English reaction, im so so glad he isint going to the hall of fame stuff and getting back into doing that straits stuff.
but at the end of the day i guess were all just looking forward to a new realise and tour at the end of the day and enjoy seeing mark play and enjoy his albums, and he still with us and playing to a good standard :) i know i am.
ive seen van morrsion and paul weller live the last few months and still not a patch on mark's talent.
paul weller has lots of energy on stage but his other guitarist does the leg work for him, mark , Clapton, chris rea who have over 10 years on paul weller less energy on stage but play a lot lot more , so was great to see ,
mark wont ever be as quick as he was back in the day but for a 68 year old he can still play and produce great albums
and long may it continue, we all have our little moans about him , but we love him and love seeing him play live and that's why we are on this forum all waiting for this next tour and album!!!!!
Good summary of how a lot of us probably feel. Who was it that said "Criticism: The Highest Form of Flattery?" Can't remember right now.
Imitation? ;)
Post by: DS on March 20, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
With all the info on how much this RORHOF circus costs, I sort of feel that none of them should be there, only by video like Mark will. The whole thing is just to make money and force bands to reunite.I totally agree. That's enough for me to completely understand Mark's decision (even if this may not be the main reason). I would have done the same.
P.S. would also explain the lack of an official statement :D just hypotheses...
Post by: dmg on March 20, 2018, 06:19:43 PM
Perfectly normal reaction of John Illsley!! But MK is a Britton. They make a decision and stick to it!!Just back from John Illsley´s concert in Aschaffenburg. Although I know the answer from Guy´s forum I asked John about beging at the ceremony. He said that he will be there but that their definitely won't be a performance. He seems to be a bit disappointed by saying so. But that might be to much interpretation after this gig.
Infact he is not a bit disappointed, but very likely very disappointed
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oh yes we do ;D I'm the same ,a typical English reaction, im so so glad he isint going to the hall of fame stuff and getting back into doing that straits stuff.
but at the end of the day i guess were all just looking forward to a new realise and tour at the end of the day and enjoy seeing mark play and enjoy his albums, and he still with us and playing to a good standard :) i know i am.
ive seen van morrsion and paul weller live the last few months and still not a patch on mark's talent.
paul weller has lots of energy on stage but his other guitarist does the leg work for him, mark , Clapton, chris rea who have over 10 years on paul weller less energy on stage but play a lot lot more , so was great to see ,
mark wont ever be as quick as he was back in the day but for a 68 year old he can still play and produce great albums
and long may it continue, we all have our little moans about him , but we love him and love seeing him play live and that's why we are on this forum all waiting for this next tour and album!!!!!
Good summary of how a lot of us probably feel. Who was it that said "Criticism: The Highest Form of Flattery?" Can't remember right now.
Imitation? ;)
Nah, it wasn't him. ;)
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2018, 06:38:44 PM
Perfectly normal reaction of John Illsley!! But MK is a Britton. They make a decision and stick to it!!Just back from John Illsley´s concert in Aschaffenburg. Although I know the answer from Guy´s forum I asked John about beging at the ceremony. He said that he will be there but that their definitely won't be a performance. He seems to be a bit disappointed by saying so. But that might be to much interpretation after this gig.
Infact he is not a bit disappointed, but very likely very disappointed
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oh yes we do ;D I'm the same ,a typical English reaction, im so so glad he isint going to the hall of fame stuff and getting back into doing that straits stuff.
but at the end of the day i guess were all just looking forward to a new realise and tour at the end of the day and enjoy seeing mark play and enjoy his albums, and he still with us and playing to a good standard :) i know i am.
ive seen van morrsion and paul weller live the last few months and still not a patch on mark's talent.
paul weller has lots of energy on stage but his other guitarist does the leg work for him, mark , Clapton, chris rea who have over 10 years on paul weller less energy on stage but play a lot lot more , so was great to see ,
mark wont ever be as quick as he was back in the day but for a 68 year old he can still play and produce great albums
and long may it continue, we all have our little moans about him , but we love him and love seeing him play live and that's why we are on this forum all waiting for this next tour and album!!!!!
Good summary of how a lot of us probably feel. Who was it that said "Criticism: The Highest Form of Flattery?" Can't remember right now.
Imitation? ;)
Nah, it wasn't him. ;)
No, it didn't sound right to me either! ;D
Post by: wayaman on March 20, 2018, 06:50:45 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 20, 2018, 08:09:19 PM
As jbaent said very well, opinions are opinions, and we are here to express our opinions about MK and DS. It’s 100% fine to disagree with me if I say, for example, Mark’s sunglasses are ugly. Now, criticizing me for not liking his sunglasses? For the love of god.
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: come on, it’s nice, I like it!
Totally acceptable!
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: you shouldn’t say it, it looks good on him, why do you say that?
Unacceptable!
It’s suffocating, guys. I’m not a sheep, sorry. Just tell me if that’s the way it is and I’ll get the hell outta here and never come back. I’m extremely annoyed by this. Sometimes it genuinely feels like I’m a child surrounded by babysitters.
Post by: rmarques821 on March 20, 2018, 08:29:56 PM
Honestly, I’m about to leave this forum. Maybe it should become a church.No way you're leaving. Who's gonna say KTGC is a boring album then? :D
As jbaent said very well, opinions are opinions, and we are here to express our opinions about MK and DS. It’s 100% fine to disagree with me if I say, for example, Mark’s sunglasses are ugly. Now, criticizing me for not liking his sunglasses? For the love of god.
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: come on, it’s nice, I like it!
Totally acceptable!
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: you shouldn’t say it, it looks good on him, why do you say that?
Unacceptable!
It’s suffocating, guys. I’m not a sheep, sorry. Just tell me if that’s the way it is and I’ll get the hell outta here and never come back. I’m extremely annoyed by this. Sometimes it genuinely feels like I’m a child surrounded by babysitters.
Now seriously, just ignore him/them.
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Post by: Eddie Fox on March 20, 2018, 08:38:50 PM
Honestly, I’m about to leave this forum. Maybe it should become a church.No way you're leaving. Who's gonna say KTGC is a boring album then? :D
As jbaent said very well, opinions are opinions, and we are here to express our opinions about MK and DS. It’s 100% fine to disagree with me if I say, for example, Mark’s sunglasses are ugly. Now, criticizing me for not liking his sunglasses? For the love of god.
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: come on, it’s nice, I like it!
Totally acceptable!
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: you shouldn’t say it, it looks good on him, why do you say that?
Unacceptable!
It’s suffocating, guys. I’m not a sheep, sorry. Just tell me if that’s the way it is and I’ll get the hell outta here and never come back. I’m extremely annoyed by this. Sometimes it genuinely feels like I’m a child surrounded by babysitters.
Now seriously, just ignore him/them.
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I’ve been trying to, I swear to god, but man... this is supposed to be a community but it feels like I’m a guest at somebody’s home. It doesn’t feel right to me.
Post by: Love Expresso on March 20, 2018, 09:08:06 PM
Please stay, you just can't leave us alone. I already left two or three times but came back in the end because of this group of fine people that's still here, although I detect that some of them are posting less and less. Why not pause, take a break... I know how hard it is to ignore them but that's the way the world is these days. If they leave, others will follow, with the same attitude, or even worse. And younger.
Which is a good sign in general, some of the newbies seem to be VERY young, referring to behaviour and maturity. Who would have thought that MK is still able to attract people born after Dire Straits split up. However we have to live with the side effects. It makes the place lively and less boring at least.
LE
Post by: Elin N on March 20, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
I know exactly what you mean. This once was a daily source of joy to me but sadly has become a reflection of what is going wrong in the world in terms of communication, attitude and culture of dispute. Some come here and obviously think AMIT is a fan forum but expect something totally different these days from what was consent what a fan forum should be in those years it was founded.You are right LE, as a beginner in here I had no idea on how it is in here. Now I am beginning to understand, and don't worry, there won't be many posts. All I do is try to be nice, and all I get is told to take a hike and smell MK farts.
Please stay, you just can't leave us alone. I already left two or three times but came back in the end because of this group of fine people that's still here, although I detect that some of them are posting less and less. Why not pause, take a break... I know how hard it is to ignore them but that's the way the world is these days. If they leave, others will follow, with the same attitude, or even worse. And younger.
Which is a good sign in general, some of the newbies seem to be VERY young, referring to behaviour and maturity. Who would have thought that MK is still able to attract people born after Dire Straits split up. However we have to live with the side effects. It makes the place lively and less boring at least.
LE
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Post by: Justme on March 20, 2018, 09:29:12 PM
:wave
Post by: wayaman on March 20, 2018, 09:32:57 PM
Just a little patience, mates. Once we'll be getting new stuff there will be plenty of good discussions. Just my 2ct.
:wave
God save the poor soul of those who find anything they don't like or think could had been better in the new MK record and do the mistake of share their thoughts in the belief that freedom of speech is allowed and respected...
Post by: Love Expresso on March 20, 2018, 09:36:59 PM
I know exactly what you mean. This once was a daily source of joy to me but sadly has become a reflection of what is going wrong in the world in terms of communication, attitude and culture of dispute. Some come here and obviously think AMIT is a fan forum but expect something totally different these days from what was consent what a fan forum should be in those years it was founded.You are right LE, as a beginner in here I had no idea on how it is in here. Now I am beginning to understand, and don't worry, there won't be many posts. All I do is try to be nice, and all I get is told to take a hike and smell MK farts.
Please stay, you just can't leave us alone. I already left two or three times but came back in the end because of this group of fine people that's still here, although I detect that some of them are posting less and less. Why not pause, take a break... I know how hard it is to ignore them but that's the way the world is these days. If they leave, others will follow, with the same attitude, or even worse. And younger.
Which is a good sign in general, some of the newbies seem to be VERY young, referring to behaviour and maturity. Who would have thought that MK is still able to attract people born after Dire Straits split up. However we have to live with the side effects. It makes the place lively and less boring at least.
LE
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Maybe my post was too general... it was not especially addressed to you for sure. And that fart thing is not my style. Nothing wrong with being nice.
LE
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 20, 2018, 09:39:16 PM
I know exactly what you mean. This once was a daily source of joy to me but sadly has become a reflection of what is going wrong in the world in terms of communication, attitude and culture of dispute. Some come here and obviously think AMIT is a fan forum but expect something totally different these days from what was consent what a fan forum should be in those years it was founded.
Please stay, you just can't leave us alone. I already left two or three times but came back in the end because of this group of fine people that's still here, although I detect that some of them are posting less and less. Why not pause, take a break... I know how hard it is to ignore them but that's the way the world is these days. If they leave, others will follow, with the same attitude, or even worse. And younger.
Which is a good sign in general, some of the newbies seem to be VERY young, referring to behaviour and maturity. Who would have thought that MK is still able to attract people born after Dire Straits split up. However we have to live with the side effects. It makes the place lively and less boring at least.
LE
Thanks, mate. The whole forum thing is pretty simple to me. There’s a subject and people respectfully express their opinions about it. If you disagree with someone’s opinion you respectfully present yours and it triggers off a healthy debate.
On the other hand, once a member is disrespectful and/or turns someone’s opinion on the original subject into the new subject and judges it... it’s dead cold.
It’s unbelievable that in 2018 it needs to be discussed.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 20, 2018, 09:42:29 PM
I know exactly what you mean. This once was a daily source of joy to me but sadly has become a reflection of what is going wrong in the world in terms of communication, attitude and culture of dispute. Some come here and obviously think AMIT is a fan forum but expect something totally different these days from what was consent what a fan forum should be in those years it was founded.You are right LE, as a beginner in here I had no idea on how it is in here. Now I am beginning to understand, and don't worry, there won't be many posts. All I do is try to be nice, and all I get is told to take a hike and smell MK farts.
Please stay, you just can't leave us alone. I already left two or three times but came back in the end because of this group of fine people that's still here, although I detect that some of them are posting less and less. Why not pause, take a break... I know how hard it is to ignore them but that's the way the world is these days. If they leave, others will follow, with the same attitude, or even worse. And younger.
Which is a good sign in general, some of the newbies seem to be VERY young, referring to behaviour and maturity. Who would have thought that MK is still able to attract people born after Dire Straits split up. However we have to live with the side effects. It makes the place lively and less boring at least.
LE
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I hope you don’t think my post was directed to you. As far as I’m concerned we reached an agreement in some other topic and it was all good.
Post by: naif on March 20, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
Also hey hopefully soon we will get both new album, musical and tour news :wave
Sorry for such a long article. It is not a virtue that I am able to say a lot by writing at least :)
Post by: dmg on March 20, 2018, 10:22:56 PM
Post by: Marijo58 on March 20, 2018, 10:32:19 PM
Totally agree with you !!! Everybody have the right to express his feelings about MK. He's certainly not a Saint nor a God !! It's just that no matter how long we're discussing his decision about RARHOF or something else, it won't make a difference !!Honestly, I’m about to leave this forum. Maybe it should become a church.No way you're leaving. Who's gonna say KTGC is a boring album then? :D
As jbaent said very well, opinions are opinions, and we are here to express our opinions about MK and DS. It’s 100% fine to disagree with me if I say, for example, Mark’s sunglasses are ugly. Now, criticizing me for not liking his sunglasses? For the love of god.
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: come on, it’s nice, I like it!
Totally acceptable!
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: you shouldn’t say it, it looks good on him, why do you say that?
Unacceptable!
It’s suffocating, guys. I’m not a sheep, sorry. Just tell me if that’s the way it is and I’ll get the hell outta here and never come back. I’m extremely annoyed by this. Sometimes it genuinely feels like I’m a child surrounded by babysitters.
Now seriously, just ignore him/them.
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Post by: PensaGhost on March 21, 2018, 12:28:04 AM
Honestly, I’m about to leave this forum. Maybe it should become a church.
As jbaent said very well, opinions are opinions, and we are here to express our opinions about MK and DS. It’s 100% fine to disagree with me if I say, for example, Mark’s sunglasses are ugly. Now, criticizing me for not liking his sunglasses? For the love of god.
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: come on, it’s nice, I like it!
Totally acceptable!
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: you shouldn’t say it, it looks good on him, why do you say that?
Unacceptable!
It’s suffocating, guys. I’m not a sheep, sorry. Just tell me if that’s the way it is and I’ll get the hell outta here and never come back. I’m extremely annoyed by this. Sometimes it genuinely feels like I’m a child surrounded by babysitters.
101% :thumbsup
Post by: Don70 on March 21, 2018, 01:03:25 AM
Totally agree with you !!! Everybody have the right to express his feelings about MK. He's certainly not a Saint nor a God !! It's just that no matter how long we're discussing his decision about RARHOF or something else, it won't make a difference !!Honestly, I’m about to leave this forum. Maybe it should become a church.No way you're leaving. Who's gonna say KTGC is a boring album then? :D
As jbaent said very well, opinions are opinions, and we are here to express our opinions about MK and DS. It’s 100% fine to disagree with me if I say, for example, Mark’s sunglasses are ugly. Now, criticizing me for not liking his sunglasses? For the love of god.
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: come on, it’s nice, I like it!
Totally acceptable!
Eddie: Mark’s sunglasses look terrible!
Fellow amiter: you shouldn’t say it, it looks good on him, why do you say that?
Unacceptable!
It’s suffocating, guys. I’m not a sheep, sorry. Just tell me if that’s the way it is and I’ll get the hell outta here and never come back. I’m extremely annoyed by this. Sometimes it genuinely feels like I’m a child surrounded by babysitters.
Now seriously, just ignore him/them.
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There’s nothing wrong with criticism. It’s just that there are some people (only a few) who obviously aren’t fans of anything MK has done in the last quite a few years and ONLY criticize. It gets very tiring...
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 21, 2018, 02:08:05 AM
Post by: Don70 on March 21, 2018, 02:19:05 AM
Who the hell do you think you are to decide who is or isn’t a fan? All you do in this forum is to pick up fights. If there’s someone around here who poisons this environment it’s you, buddy.
I think it’s safe to say that someone who has nothing positive to say about anything the man has done in 10+ years is no longer a fan. Why so hostile?
Post by: wayaman on March 21, 2018, 08:06:43 AM
Who the hell do you think you are to decide who is or isn’t a fan? All you do in this forum is to pick up fights. If there’s someone around here who poisons this environment it’s you, buddy.
I think it’s safe to say that someone who has nothing positive to say about anything the man has done in 10+ years is no longer a fan. Why so hostile?
Funny, that said by a person who's posts are only to say negative things about the opinion of longtime and valuos forum members...
Just check all your posts and you'll only find negative opinions.
Someone called you hypocrite. He was totally right.
You're not only hypocrite, you're totally useless to this forum.
Post by: wayaman on March 21, 2018, 08:12:50 AM
:thumbsup
Why, when I see posts from you jbaent, I know that there will be criticism of MK
Exactly.
Thanks for your great contribution to his forum with this post. :clap It's only to provoke Jbaent. Everybody is free to criticise, but can you stop now with criticise fellow members?
The moderation team is going to do anything with this troll before all burn down in the forum?
This guy has proved that the only thing he has to say in this forum is negative things about other forumers and pick up fights.
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 21, 2018, 08:26:53 AM
In the meantime a reminder to all:
https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=4507.0
General rule of thumb - don't be a dick. We try not to censor or ban but if someone is a dick then we have to sadly. :(
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Post by: skydiver on March 21, 2018, 09:51:48 AM
Basically he does nothing else than trying to rescue the freedom of speech for those few left here who still find something interesting or positive in MK.
Post by: wayaman on March 21, 2018, 09:59:32 AM
To call Don70 a hypocrite or to even think of banning him would be a real scandal.
Basically he does nothing else than trying to rescue the freedom of speech for those few left here who still find something interesting or positive in MK.
Are you having a laugh?
He didn't add anything at all except criticize other forumers...
All negative additions from him to the forum.
Interest and postive opinions about MK are all welcome by everybody including those who have negative opinions on whatever, all are opinions.
Eddie Fox expressed it very well, you can do two things:
- Give your opposite opinion to the negative opinions, that's perfectly ok
- To be critic about the person who have a negative opinion. That's useless and doesn´t add anything at the forum beyond telling the others what can they say and what not.
It is so easy to understand that I can't believe you are not getting it...
By the way, check Don70 posts and find anything useful that he added to the forum beside moaning about other forumers.
You are going to find a big percentage of nothing useful but moaning. https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3541 (https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3541)
Post by: Jules on March 21, 2018, 10:36:16 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/dont_expect_dire_straits_to_pe.html (http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/dont_expect_dire_straits_to_pe.html)
This sentence fills me with joy and happiness:
The Cars, Bon Jovi and The Moody Blues are certain to perform, while fans can also expect tributes for Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Nina Simone.
Poor unlucky fans of The Cars, Bon Jovi or The Moody Blues, they will have to suffer the embarrasement of watch their favourite bands playing again together... I'm so sad for them. They are not so lucky as we are.
As Guy said, this is not a prize for them, is a prize for us. I'm not attenting the ceremony either ;D :lol
Post by: wayaman on March 21, 2018, 10:48:28 AM
I like this pain in the ass kind of posts. That's what it makes this forum funny to me...
Don't loose the sense of humour, please!
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 21, 2018, 11:12:19 AM
Moaning about MK - Fine
Moaning about AMITers - Not fine
Debate encouraged, insults not tolerated.
Post by: Pottel on March 21, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
end of story. there will be no banning for anyone for what has happened. but the next one that moans/insults another member can take a holiday of x days/weeks.
there are worse issues in the world today people, chill a bit, both sides.
Post by: Don70 on March 21, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
To call Don70 a hypocrite or to even think of banning him would be a real scandal.
Basically he does nothing else than trying to rescue the freedom of speech for those few left here who still find something interesting or positive in MK.
Are you having a laugh?
He didn't add anything at all except criticize other forumers...
All negative additions from him to the forum.
Interest and postive opinions about MK are all welcome by everybody including those who have negative opinions on whatever, all are opinions.
Eddie Fox expressed it very well, you can do two things:
- Give your opposite opinion to the negative opinions, that's perfectly ok
- To be critic about the person who have a negative opinion. That's useless and doesn´t add anything at the forum beyond telling the others what can they say and what not.
It is so easy to understand that I can't believe you are not getting it...
By the way, check Don70 posts and find anything useful that he added to the forum beside moaning about other forumers.
You are going to find a big percentage of nothing useful but moaning. https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3541 (https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3541)
Wow, did I ever hit a nerve around here. Oh, well.
Post by: Jules on March 21, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
To call Don70 a hypocrite or to even think of banning him would be a real scandal.
Basically he does nothing else than trying to rescue the freedom of speech for those few left here who still find something interesting or positive in MK.
Are you having a laugh?
Wow, did I ever hit a nerve around here. Oh, well.
He didn't add anything at all except criticize other forumers...
All negative additions from him to the forum.
Interest and postive opinions about MK are all welcome by everybody including those who have negative opinions on whatever, all are opinions.
Eddie Fox expressed it very well, you can do two things:
- Give your opposite opinion to the negative opinions, that's perfectly ok
- To be critic about the person who have a negative opinion. That's useless and doesn´t add anything at the forum beyond telling the others what can they say and what not.
It is so easy to understand that I can't believe you are not getting it...
By the way, check Don70 posts and find anything useful that he added to the forum beside moaning about other forumers.
You are going to find a big percentage of nothing useful but moaning. https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3541 (https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3541)
Message from moderator number one
General rule of thumb:
Moaning about MK - Fine
Moaning about AMITers - Not fine
Debate encouraged, insults not tolerated.
Message from moderator number two
discussion to focus on the RHOF, and no moaning about each other, as Dusty stated.
end of story. there will be no banning for anyone for what has happened. but the next one that moans/insults another member can take a holiday of x days/weeks.
there are worse issues in the world today people, chill a bit, both sides.
Very easy to understand both of them.
Cheerio!
Post by: Don70 on March 21, 2018, 02:42:56 PM
To call Don70 a hypocrite or to even think of banning him would be a real scandal.
Basically he does nothing else than trying to rescue the freedom of speech for those few left here who still find something interesting or positive in MK.
Thank you. That’s all I was trying to do. Unfortunately, it was taken the wrong way.
Post by: wayaman on March 21, 2018, 03:29:26 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 21, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
Post by: cannibals on March 21, 2018, 09:42:22 PM
https://961therocket.iheart.com/content/2018-03-21-dire-straits-no-rock-hall-for-the-sultan-of-swing/
Post by: Trawlerman on March 22, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
According to this published 1 hour ago MK and PW will not be there. The others will show up I quess since they are not mentioning Guy John and Alan.
https://961therocket.iheart.com/content/2018-03-21-dire-straits-no-rock-hall-for-the-sultan-of-swing/
Impressive list of no shows in the article.
I guess that just shows how seriously this 'career achievement award' is viewed by so many artists.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 22, 2018, 01:46:52 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on March 22, 2018, 06:51:06 AM
If I knew MK would not go, in a gesture of solidarity I wouldn't go either. But these guys seems to not bother at all with it.
Pretty sure Mark have a heart full of holes after this "cold war" around DS, although he can say whatever he want.
I'm waiting for a journalist who could ask about his real feelings about his old band.
If I were pursued by DS's shadow like an actor with only one memorable role...
Post by: boriszhukov on March 22, 2018, 08:46:25 AM
Anyway Im fine with Guy, John and maybe Alan and Eddie picking up the award. Afterall they were part of the band for the longest time apart from MK of course. Also MK doesnt want and doesn't need it. So why not have them get the acclaim and attention.
Post by: Jules on March 22, 2018, 09:10:02 AM
Post by: rmarques821 on March 22, 2018, 10:52:37 AM
That article seems incorrect. Didn't Guy mention he will be there. And how about DK didn't he say he wasn't going?I think David would only go if Mark went too. When he realised his brother wasn't going, he probably decided not to go at all.
Anyway Im fine with Guy, John and maybe Alan and Eddie picking up the award. Afterall they were part of the band for the longest time apart from MK of course. Also MK doesnt want and doesn't need it. So why not have them get the acclaim and attention.
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Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
I think this all happens thanks to the controversy around DS. Some people have no respect for Mark's legacy, so no wonder he'd not show up.Conspiracy theories anyone? Jeezes guys, no one of us knows what mark thinks of the issue, as he was not asked publicly not has he mentioned his opinion anywhere ..so all this guessing, irrelevant
If I knew MK would not go, in a gesture of solidarity I wouldn't go either. But these guys seems to not bother at all with it.
Pretty sure Mark have a heart full of holes after this "cold war" around DS, although he can say whatever he want.
I'm waiting for a journalist who could ask about his real feelings about his old band.
If I were pursued by DS's shadow like an actor with only one memorable role...
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Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 11:05:28 AM
Of course I wanted Mark to show up and perform but I understand him not doing so. What I don’t understand is the absence of an official statement to the fans.Agree.
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Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 11:07:02 AM
Hats off to the moderation, very mature decision. As Ringo would say, I can feel air inside my lungs again.Breathe, breathe in the air...as my other favourite band used to sing
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Post by: quizzaciously on March 22, 2018, 12:30:21 PM
Conspiracy theories anyone? Jeezes guys, no one of us knows what mark thinks of the issue, as he was not asked publicly not has he mentioned his opinion anywhere ..so all this guessing, irrelevant
If something walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and looks like a duck, then it's probably a duck... No conspiracy theories here, but just observations. It's like knowing what MK when being asked about his love for guitar will tell for 9 millionth time the story about blowing his family's radio.
There's so many articles and posts already so we almost know exactly who will attend this ceremony and who is not.
I think they've simply messed up the ceremonies. That supposed to be the Songwriters Hall of Fame for MK, and not the RRHOF for a band with lineup changes almost every album. When even inductees choice is debatable, this is ridiculous. If they would just stop at John, Mark, David and Pick already chances of all of them showing up would double. Because it was at least a proper band. Afterwards it was Mark Knopfler's little orchestra ending up with 9 people on stage. Who's Dire Straits then? Man, this whole situation only gives me a headache and nothing more.
Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 12:40:15 PM
Take a pill lol...all good. Let us wait and see how it goes. Then we can comment on something that happened rather then guessConspiracy theories anyone? Jeezes guys, no one of us knows what mark thinks of the issue, as he was not asked publicly not has he mentioned his opinion anywhere ..so all this guessing, irrelevant
If something walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and looks like a duck, then it's probably a duck... No conspiracy theories here, but just observations. It's like knowing what MK when being asked about his love for guitar will tell for 9 millionth time the story about blowing his family's radio.
There's so many articles and posts already so we almost know exactly who will attend this ceremony and who is not.
I think they've simply messed up the ceremonies. That supposed to be the Songwriters Hall of Fame for MK, and not the RRHOF for a band with lineup changes almost every album. When even inductees choice is debatable, this is ridiculous. If they would just stop at John, Mark, David and Pick already chances of all of them showing up would double. Because it was at least a proper band. Afterwards it was Mark Knopfler's little orchestra ending up with 9 people on stage. Who's Dire Straits then? Man, this whole situation only gives me a headache and nothing more.
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Post by: quizzaciously on March 22, 2018, 01:02:47 PM
Take a pill lol...
No thanks, right now I'm drinking the wine. I'm chill, but you might as well just shut the whole topic until... Yeah, until the ceremony. Right? :lol
Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 01:17:56 PM
Good idea actually...Take a pill lol...
No thanks, right now I'm drinking the wine. I'm chill, but you might as well just shut the whole topic until... Yeah, until the ceremony. Right?
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Post by: boriszhukov on March 22, 2018, 01:51:49 PM
Im sure almost all journalists will be asking about the induction (unless ofcourse that MK's marketing company will ban all questions on the topic, which isn't that unrealistic actually :hmm)
Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 02:07:55 PM
Either way we look at it. It will certainly be interesting to get Marks respons. For sure he will have to comment on it once his promotion rounds begin for the new album.Indeed.
Im sure almost all journalists will be asking about the induction (unless ofcourse that MK's marketing company will ban all questions on the topic, which isn't that unrealistic actually :hmm)
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Post by: JF on March 22, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
Afterwards it was Mark Knopfler's little orchestra
during OL tour, on the band introduction, Mark was saying "Dire Straits rock'n'roll orchestra" :lol ;D :lol
Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 04:28:38 PM
My favourite boot from that eraAfterwards it was Mark Knopfler's little orchestra
during OL tour, on the band introduction, Mark was saying "Dire Straits rock'n'roll orchestra"
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 22, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Indeed. I have the same question !! But MK doesn't seem to think about that!!! Well I guess we'll have an explanation some beautiful day or never!!????Of course I wanted Mark to show up and perform but I understand him not doing so. What I don’t understand is the absence of an official statement to the fans.Agree.
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Post by: JF on March 22, 2018, 05:53:05 PM
My favourite boot from that eraAfterwards it was Mark Knopfler's little orchestra
during OL tour, on the band introduction, Mark was saying "Dire Straits rock'n'roll orchestra"
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yes it was of course the title of a famous silver pressed bootleg, but Mark said that at almost all gigs, including Werchter for example (silver pressed boot "once upon a time")
Post by: Lis on March 22, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Yes, I think that it become very complicated when HOF included non-original members.
I think they've simply messed up the ceremonies. That supposed to be the Songwriters Hall of Fame for MK, and not the RRHOF for a band with lineup changes almost every album. When even inductees choice is debatable, this is ridiculous. If they would just stop at John, Mark, David and Pick already chances of all of them showing up would double. Because it was at least a proper band.
Post by: Pottel on March 22, 2018, 06:02:52 PM
Milano....aahhh, one of my first bootlegs, I believe the rockfile series was my first, many, many years agoMy favourite boot from that eraAfterwards it was Mark Knopfler's little orchestra
during OL tour, on the band introduction, Mark was saying "Dire Straits rock'n'roll orchestra"
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yes it was of course the title of a famous silver pressed bootleg, but Mark said that at almost all gigs, including Werchter for example (silver pressed boot "once upon a time")
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Post by: cannibals on March 22, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Emmylou Harris, Sting and Eric Clapton.
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/rock_hall_2018_who_should_indu.html
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 23, 2018, 12:03:09 AM
Post by: Don70 on March 23, 2018, 12:12:43 AM
Sting is a full tilt diva, he loves being in the spotlight. I bet it’s gonna be him.
:thumbsup
Post by: Rolleyway Man on March 23, 2018, 02:23:04 AM
Sting is a full tilt diva, he loves being in the spotlight. I bet it’s gonna be him.
In recent years, Sting has mentioned a number of times how proud he felt that ‘Roxanne’ and ‘Sultans of Swing’ made it onto American radio at the same time, as both Sting and MK had come from Newcastle. I think he would be a very natural choice to induct the band.
In any case, I personally think this whole Hall of Fame business is largely meaningless. They deserve every accolade of course, but Dire Straits left an indelible mark on rock history and they don’t need to be ‘stuffed and put in a museum’ (as Sting put it after The Police were inducted) in order to prove that point. If anything, I think it puts Mark in a slightly awkward position as he is not the sort of person who enjoys the limelight, which is half the reason why he went solo in the first place and is possibly one explanation as to why he has not, thus far, associated himself with this induction.
Added to that, in my opinion the sheer quality of Mark’s solo work far outstrips what he achieved with the Straits anyway, and he has consistently bettered himself as a musician and a songwriter over the last 22 years. Though it was clearly the most successful period of his career, Dire Straits is only really a fraction of the story.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 23, 2018, 08:44:27 AM
Sting is a full tilt diva, he loves being in the spotlight. I bet it’s gonna be him.
In recent years, Sting has mentioned a number of times how proud he felt that ‘Roxanne’ and ‘Sultans of Swing’ made it onto American radio at the same time, as both Sting and MK had come from Newcastle. I think he would be a very natural choice to induct the band.
In any case, I personally think this whole Hall of Fame business is largely meaningless. They deserve every accolade of course, but Dire Straits left an indelible mark on rock history and they don’t need to be ‘stuffed and put in a museum’ (as Sting put it after The Police were inducted) in order to prove that point. If anything, I think it puts Mark in a slightly awkward position as he is not the sort of person who enjoys the limelight, which is half the reason why he went solo in the first place and is possibly one explanation as to why he has not, thus far, associated himself with this induction.
Added to that, in my opinion the sheer quality of Mark’s solo work far outstrips what he achieved with the Straits anyway, and he has consistently bettered himself as a musician and a songwriter over the last 22 years. Though it was clearly the most successful period of his career, Dire Straits is only really a fraction of the story.
Hey Pottel, now you can officialy close the topic after this brilliant post :clap :lol
Post by: straitsway75 on March 23, 2018, 09:19:00 AM
Sting is a full tilt diva, he loves being in the spotlight. I bet it’s gonna be him.
In recent years, Sting has mentioned a number of times how proud he felt that ‘Roxanne’ and ‘Sultans of Swing’ made it onto American radio at the same time, as both Sting and MK had come from Newcastle. I think he would be a very natural choice to induct the band.
In any case, I personally think this whole Hall of Fame business is largely meaningless. They deserve every accolade of course, but Dire Straits left an indelible mark on rock history and they don’t need to be ‘stuffed and put in a museum’ (as Sting put it after The Police were inducted) in order to prove that point. If anything, I think it puts Mark in a slightly awkward position as he is not the sort of person who enjoys the limelight, which is half the reason why he went solo in the first place and is possibly one explanation as to why he has not, thus far, associated himself with this induction.
Added to that, in my opinion the sheer quality of Mark’s solo work far outstrips what he achieved with the Straits anyway, and he has consistently bettered himself as a musician and a songwriter over the last 22 years. Though it was clearly the most successful period of his career, Dire Straits is only really a fraction of the story.
..yes, straits is only a fraction of the story, without straits I doubt that he can did the life of last 25 years (expensive guitars, grove studios and etc).
He was, is and will be always deux ex machina of Dire Straits, in only 7 years his songs and music had won the world.
Respect for his decision to not go to hall. but IMO music is a place of peace where for five minutes you can put everything aside and give and give yourself another chance
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Post by: Eddie Fox on March 23, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
As I said before, I don't think Mark should show up at the ceremony and perform if he's not comfortable with the situation, I totally understand him for that. I also think this whole thing is meaningless, especially if they don't even pay for your expenses. However, Dire Straits will always be Mark's peak. He's written wonderful songs and produced high quality albums ever since he shut the band down but let's face it, what he created during the DS years is unparalleled. Sultans of Swing, Romeo and Juliet, Telegraph Road, Brothers in Arms, just to name a few, those are far superior to any song Mark has recorded in his solo career. Of course he has now the best studio in human history at his disposal 24/7 but I'm not talking about recording quality. Both as songwriter and guitar player Mark came up with his ultimate masterpieces a long time ago. Does that mean his solo stuff isn't great? Of course not! It's brilliant! But he set the bar too high with DS and neglecting it doesn't feel right to me.
Just my opinion...
Post by: primi on March 23, 2018, 03:07:04 PM
You can't take life too seriously if you're in the position to do so.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 23, 2018, 03:51:34 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 23, 2018, 04:03:30 PM
I respectfully disagree, Pottel. Everything Mark has now he got thanks to Dire Straits, including us his fans. His guitars, studio, cars, motorbikes, houses, even his wife and family. The only reason why Mark can afford this low profile yet successful solo career is because Dire Straits came first. He wouldn't have met Kitty either in case the band never existed. I really like Mark's solo stuff but I don't really know how much of this appreciation is due to my preexisting passion for Dire Straits.Nope. Many of his solo songs (deffo not all!) Would easily fit amongst the DS ones. Too lazy too name any now, pretty sure others on this forum will
As I said before, I don't think Mark should show up at the ceremony and perform if he's not comfortable with the situation, I totally understand him for that. I also think this whole thing is meaningless, especially if they don't even pay for your expenses. However, Dire Straits will always be Mark's peak. He's written wonderful songs and produced high quality albums ever since he shut the band down but let's face it, what he created during the DS years is unparalleled. Sultans of Swing, Romeo and Juliet, Telegraph Road, Brothers in Arms, just to name a few, those are far superior to any song Mark has recorded in his solo career. Of course he has now the best studio in human history at his disposal 24/7 but I'm not talking about recording quality. Both as songwriter and guitar player Mark came up with his ultimate masterpieces a long time ago. Does that mean his solo stuff isn't great? Of course not! It's brilliant! But he set the bar too high with DS and neglecting it doesn't feel right to me.
Just my opinion...
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Post by: Pottel on March 23, 2018, 04:04:14 PM
I just realized it wasn't Pottel who wrote the comment I responded to. My appologies!No worries. Each their opinion.
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Post by: Eddie Fox on March 23, 2018, 04:32:02 PM
Dire Straits never existed, Mark Knopfler became an English teacher but kept developing his music skills as some sort of low profile side business. Nobody knows who he is. In 1996 he decides to launch an album (assuming that an English teacher could afford the studios and the musicians Mark hired) and Golden Heart is released. What do you guys think would come up next?
Being unrealistically optimistic, let's say Mark somehow managed to release the very same albums he's produced since DS got dissolved. We are now in 2018, how do you think his career would have developed up to this point? Remember, Dire Straits was never founded.
My guess is Mark would be a cult rocker, people would ask where the hell he was hiding all those years and stuff but he would never have what he has now, not even close. And I mean not only recognition but also (and maybe mainly) wealth. Dire Straits allowed Mark to do everything that came after, it's undeniable. As I said, I don't even know if I'd be a fan myself, I can't measure how much of my current admiration for Mark comes from a preexisting fandom condition.
Post by: Pottel on March 23, 2018, 04:45:43 PM
So this is the scenario:This theory is irrelevant, he is who he has become. Does not change his actual musical quality
Dire Straits never existed, Mark Knopfler became an English teacher but kept developing his music skills as some sort of low profile side business. Nobody knows who he is. In 1996 he decides to launch an album (assuming that an English teacher could afford the studios and the musicians Mark hired) and Golden Heart is released. What do you guys think would come up next?
Being unrealistically optimistic, let's say Mark somehow managed to release the very same albums he's produced since DS got dissolved. We are now in 2018, how do you think his career would have developed up to this point? Remember, Dire Straits was never founded.
My guess is Mark would be a cult rocker, people would ask where the hell he was hiding all those years and stuff but he would never have what he has now, not even close. And I mean not only recognition but also (and maybe mainly) wealth. Dire Straits allowed Mark to do everything that came after, it's undeniable. As I said, I don't even know if I'd be a fan myself, I can't measure how much of my current admiration for Mark comes from a preexisting fandom condition.
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Post by: primi on March 23, 2018, 07:03:51 PM
On top of this single Grammy for DS work he received 3 more for his collaborations with Chet Atkins and another nomination for his collaboration with Emmylou Harris (best folk rock album).
Local Hero was also nominated for BAFTA film awards and The Princess Bride for another Grammy award. None were received.
Other than that his solo work went largely unnoticed. I'm sure he liked it that way, unfortunately if I may add.
Post by: TJ on March 23, 2018, 07:12:54 PM
I respectfully disagree, Pottel. Everything Mark has now he got thanks to Dire Straits, including us his fans. His guitars, studio, cars, motorbikes, houses, even his wife and family. The only reason why Mark can afford this low profile yet successful solo career is because Dire Straits came first. He wouldn't have met Kitty either in case the band never existed. I really like Mark's solo stuff but I don't really know how much of this appreciation is due to my preexisting passion for Dire Straits.
As I said before, I don't think Mark should show up at the ceremony and perform if he's not comfortable with the situation, I totally understand him for that. I also think this whole thing is meaningless, especially if they don't even pay for your expenses. However, Dire Straits will always be Mark's peak. He's written wonderful songs and produced high quality albums ever since he shut the band down but let's face it, what he created during the DS years is unparalleled. Sultans of Swing, Romeo and Juliet, Telegraph Road, Brothers in Arms, just to name a few, those are far superior to any song Mark has recorded in his solo career. Of course he has now the best studio in human history at his disposal 24/7 but I'm not talking about recording quality. Both as songwriter and guitar player Mark came up with his ultimate masterpieces a long time ago. Does that mean his solo stuff isn't great? Of course not! It's brilliant! But he set the bar too high with DS and neglecting it doesn't feel right to me.
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Post by: Trawlerman on March 23, 2018, 07:30:50 PM
Get rid of the guitar in MFN, BIA, R&J, etc, and you'll see, the songs are not THAT special. All the flavour and all the magic came from his fingers.
His solo work is way more elaborated, more complex, songwriting, arrangements, everything is on another level. Except his guitar playing.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 23, 2018, 08:37:29 PM
Just listen to Joan Baez singing Brothers in Arms or Garfunkel’s Why Worry. You might have had a point with Money for Nothing but then I think of its incredibly smart lyrics and amazingly well built chord progression and... nah. Romeo and Juliet is a masterpiece that not even the killers could kill. They tried hard though.
And as a guitarist I don’t think his solo stuff is more complex than DS material, at least not from the music structure perspective.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 23, 2018, 08:44:35 PM
So this is the scenario:This theory is irrelevant, he is who he has become. Does not change his actual musical quality
Dire Straits never existed, Mark Knopfler became an English teacher but kept developing his music skills as some sort of low profile side business. Nobody knows who he is. In 1996 he decides to launch an album (assuming that an English teacher could afford the studios and the musicians Mark hired) and Golden Heart is released. What do you guys think would come up next?
Being unrealistically optimistic, let's say Mark somehow managed to release the very same albums he's produced since DS got dissolved. We are now in 2018, how do you think his career would have developed up to this point? Remember, Dire Straits was never founded.
My guess is Mark would be a cult rocker, people would ask where the hell he was hiding all those years and stuff but he would never have what he has now, not even close. And I mean not only recognition but also (and maybe mainly) wealth. Dire Straits allowed Mark to do everything that came after, it's undeniable. As I said, I don't even know if I'd be a fan myself, I can't measure how much of my current admiration for Mark comes from a preexisting fandom condition.
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Yes, but he wouldn’t be who he is now if Dire Straits never existed. You just confirmed what I said ;D
Post by: Mossguitar on March 23, 2018, 08:50:18 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on March 23, 2018, 09:25:08 PM
Post by: Don70 on March 23, 2018, 10:10:08 PM
The success of Dire Straits happened because of Mark Knopfler, not the other way around. DS was early MK, nothing else.:thumbsup
Post by: Marijo58 on March 23, 2018, 10:18:41 PM
Exactly !! It has always been MK first... It was his dream to start a band. Dire Straits would have never been so successful without him. It stopped when he decided that I was too Big for him!!The success of Dire Straits happened because of Mark Knopfler, not the other way around. DS was early MK, nothing else.:thumbsup
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Post by: Pottel on March 23, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
Never intended to deny itSo this is the scenario:This theory is irrelevant, he is who he has become. Does not change his actual musical quality
Dire Straits never existed, Mark Knopfler became an English teacher but kept developing his music skills as some sort of low profile side business. Nobody knows who he is. In 1996 he decides to launch an album (assuming that an English teacher could afford the studios and the musicians Mark hired) and Golden Heart is released. What do you guys think would come up next?
Being unrealistically optimistic, let's say Mark somehow managed to release the very same albums he's produced since DS got dissolved. We are now in 2018, how do you think his career would have developed up to this point? Remember, Dire Straits was never founded.
My guess is Mark would be a cult rocker, people would ask where the hell he was hiding all those years and stuff but he would never have what he has now, not even close. And I mean not only recognition but also (and maybe mainly) wealth. Dire Straits allowed Mark to do everything that came after, it's undeniable. As I said, I don't even know if I'd be a fan myself, I can't measure how much of my current admiration for Mark comes from a preexisting fandom condition.
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Yes, but he wouldn’t be who he is now if Dire Straits never existed. You just confirmed what I said ;D
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Post by: ds1984 on March 23, 2018, 10:36:32 PM
The success of Dire Straits happened because of Mark Knopfler, not the other way around. DS was early MK, nothing else.
Considering that if Mark had chosen three different pals to play with the story would have remained the same, you are probably right.
Post by: Pottel on March 23, 2018, 11:05:50 PM
Exactomundo!!The success of Dire Straits happened because of Mark Knopfler, not the other way around. DS was early MK, nothing else.
Considering that if Mark had chosen three different pals to play with the story would have remained the same, you are probably right.
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Post by: DS on March 24, 2018, 12:25:42 AM
a good poll could be if you like more DS or MK stuff
I wouldn't be able to answer!
First, some people seem to talk about DS/MK music as two different, disjoint things... But they're more like a gradient, slowly changing from one to the other with time.
Second, I found it really depends on the period. Right now I rarely listen to any DS song, except the occasional TR or SOS. I'm more comfortable with the new stuff. But things will change again in a couple months, as they always do ;D
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 24, 2018, 02:41:29 AM
a good poll could be if you like more DS or MK stuff
I wouldn't be able to answer!
First, some people seem to talk about DS/MK music as two different, disjoint things... But they're more like a gradient, slowly changing from one to the other with time.
Second, I found it really depends on the period. Right now I rarely listen to any DS song, except the occasional TR or SOS. I'm more comfortable with the new stuff. But things will change again in a couple months, as they always do ;D
Sadly, that’s on Mark. He’s the one who created this division.
Post by: Don70 on March 24, 2018, 05:03:18 AM
Most songs are considered masterpieces because of his guitar work. The songs themselves, well, if you get rid of the guitar many songs are not that impressive and many of them pretty basic. I don't expect anyone to agree with that, but try and make a test.
Get rid of the guitar in MFN, BIA, R&J, etc, and you'll see, the songs are not THAT special. All the flavour and all the magic came from his fingers.
His solo work is way more elaborated, more complex, songwriting, arrangements, everything is on another level. Except his guitar playing.
I agree. Although, Love Over Gold probably has some of his most advanced work in terms of musical complexity. Certainly, a lot of the early Dire Straits was quite simple music that was elevated by his guitar playing and Pick’s drumming. I remember someone doing Sultans in a karaoke bar years ago. The karaoke version had none of the guitar licks, just the backing chords. It struck me how plain the song was without the lead guitar lines.
Post by: Trawlerman on March 24, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
Most songs are considered masterpieces because of his guitar work. The songs themselves, well, if you get rid of the guitar many songs are not that impressive and many of them pretty basic. I don't expect anyone to agree with that, but try and make a test.
Get rid of the guitar in MFN, BIA, R&J, etc, and you'll see, the songs are not THAT special. All the flavour and all the magic came from his fingers.
His solo work is way more elaborated, more complex, songwriting, arrangements, everything is on another level. Except his guitar playing.
I agree. Although, Love Over Gold probably has some of his most advanced work in terms of musical complexity. Certainly, a lot of the early Dire Straits was quite simple music that was elevated by his guitar playing and Pick’s drumming. I remember someone doing Sultans in a karaoke bar years ago. The karaoke version had none of the guitar licks, just the backing chords. It struck me how plain the song was without the lead guitar lines.
Exactly, SOS is another obvious example.
And I agree on PW's tasteful drumming, also regarding LOG album which could almost be a movie soundtrack.
His solo songs, well most of them anyway, don't need this guitar exposure, you can get rid of the guitar and it will still be a song and it won't really lack anything.
Also I'd dare say he has now a real band, hence why his playing and the whole guitar hero factor is so expendable right now. It's obvious live, his bandmates have just as much exposure as him and he often could leave the stage and the songs could still go on. It was clearly not the case during DS era as the spotlight was always on MK and on MK alone.
My personal conclusion is that MK finally found a peace of mind, and I'm glad he's not the egotistical leader he once was anymore. The 96ers is MK's first real band IMHO while DS purely was a backing band and a vehicle for his surreal guitar abilities, nothing more.
Post by: boriszhukov on March 24, 2018, 03:03:30 PM
Also I'd dare say he has now a real band, hence why his playing and the whole guitar hero factor is so expendable right now. It's obvious live, his bandmates have just as much exposure as him and he often could leave the stage and the songs could still go on. It was clearly not the case during DS era as the spotlight was always on MK and on MK alone.
My personal conclusion is that MK finally found a peace of mind, and I'm glad he's not the egotistical leader he once was anymore. The 96ers is MK's first real band IMHO while DS purely was a backing band and a vehicle for his surreal guitar abilities, nothing more.
I agree very much with this. His music is also much more folk oriented today, whereas DS was almost exclusively rock /pop. Regarding DS being all about MK and his guitar playing it also seems to put a lot of pressure on him and grew bigger the more impressive his playing became. Just look at te two live albums for instance. His playing is insanely good, but its also all over the place. If you look at a concert from OES tour its almost one long solo from start to end. Maybe only with You latest Trick not being about the guitarsoloing.
I think he made a very brave move by dropping the "guitar hero" thing, since it opened up the doors for so many more posibilities in his songwriting. Obviously some fans are disapointed with his current skills when playing SOS or TR. But honestly I dont think he really cares much about this. And im sure he is happy not having to keep up his technical skills to the level he had in DS. The simply requires ALOT of repetetive and boring rehersing.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 24, 2018, 03:42:43 PM
Mark's stated several times he's done with the guitar hero thing. It's comfortable for him to let the song breath through other instruments and take the back seat every now and then during long gigs. He didn't do it as much back during the DS run for two simple reasons. First because he loved being a guitar hero, that's a pretty obvious one I guess. The second one is a consequence of the first one: the line-up. From LOG onwards it gradually changed though. When we got to the OES tour DS was pretty much like Mark's current band, with Alan Clark, Paul Franklin, Chris White and Phil Palmer doing a lot of soloing. Even Chris Whitten and Danny Cummings had their moment to shine in Calling Elvis.
Going back to Alchemy, Telegraph Road was way more intense, complex and dynamic then than any version played by any line-up Mark's had in his solo career. And just for the record, Mark's music as a whole is far from complex, the arrangements might make it look like it is but in fact it isn't - which is a great thing. For instance, you can choose a pretty raw song like Where do You Think You're Going and make it sound grandiose if you want as well as you can make Speedway at Nazareth or Marbletown sound fairly simple. What I disagree the most with is to say his current band is better than any DS line-up when instruments, music style and Mark's approach are so hugely different now. Remember what Chuck Ainlay said about DS when he remixed Alchemy? Mark's always been surrounded by awesome musicians that served their purpose at each stage of his career.
To me the incoherence begins when someone (I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, just to make it clear, just a general observation) claims that Alan Clark just played what Mark told him to in Telegraph Road but praises the current band for raising Mark's game.
Post by: Love Expresso on March 24, 2018, 04:06:16 PM
Remember what Chuck Ainlay said about DS when he remixed Alchemy?
No.
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Post by: Jules on March 24, 2018, 04:14:02 PM
Remember what Chuck Ainlay said about DS when he remixed Alchemy?
No.
LE
He couldn't believe that it was released sounded so bad...
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 24, 2018, 04:52:01 PM
Remember what Chuck Ainlay said about DS when he remixed Alchemy?
No.
LE
He said the band was incredible. Can’t remember the exact words though.
Post by: cannibals on March 29, 2018, 05:08:18 PM
No word so far for who will induct DS.
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/hearts_ann_wilson_says_she_wil.html
Post by: cannibals on March 30, 2018, 03:29:35 PM
The Dire Straits situation is shrouded in mystery. Group leader Mark Knopfler has yet to comment publicly on the Hall of Fame, though there are strong indications that he does not plan on attending. The Hall of Fame has yet to comment on how they will honor the band in his absence.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mary-j-blige-brandon-flowers-to-present-at-rock-hall-induction-w518519
Post by: quizzaciously on March 30, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
From Rolling Stone today!
The Dire Straits situation is shrouded in mystery. Group leader Mark Knopfler has yet to comment publicly on the Hall of Fame, though there are strong indications that he does not plan on attending. The Hall of Fame has yet to comment on how they will honor the band in his absence.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mary-j-blige-brandon-flowers-to-present-at-rock-hall-induction-w518519
At least they're aware that there's no reason awarding somebody beside MK in this case.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 30, 2018, 04:39:35 PM
Post by: binone on March 30, 2018, 05:27:43 PM
Well, Brandon Flowers will be there, it's highly likely his band will perform R&J or some other song - maybe with a little help from a proper guitarist since the dude from The Killers is pretty weak.
Guy said there won´t be any performance, nor by themselves, neither by any other band of Dire Straits songs.
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 30, 2018, 06:51:37 PM
Well, Brandon Flowers will be there, it's highly likely his band will perform R&J or some other song - maybe with a little help from a proper guitarist since the dude from The Killers is pretty weak.
Guy said there won´t be any performance, nor by themselves, neither by any other band of Dire Straits songs.
When did he say that? Last time I checked he clarified that by saying DS wouldn’t perform but other bands were not forbidden to cover DS songs.
Post by: binone on March 30, 2018, 11:24:52 PM
Well, Brandon Flowers will be there, it's highly likely his band will perform R&J or some other song - maybe with a little help from a proper guitarist since the dude from The Killers is pretty weak.
Guy said there won´t be any performance, nor by themselves, neither by any other band of Dire Straits songs.
When did he say that? Last time I checked he clarified that by saying DS wouldn’t perform but other bands were not forbidden to cover DS songs.
Maybe was my interpretation. Just had in the head.
Post by: cannibals on March 31, 2018, 01:00:32 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on March 31, 2018, 12:35:07 PM
Guy said there would be no performance, just a video presentation.
Yes, but he was talking about DS. Usually when a band doesn’t perform other artists team up and play a couple of their tunes.
Post by: cannibals on March 31, 2018, 01:09:09 PM
http://www.955glo.com/2018/03/30/dire-straits-will-under-represent-at-hall-of-fame-induction-video/
Post by: quizzaciously on March 31, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
No Mark Pick and David.
http://www.955glo.com/2018/03/30/dire-straits-will-under-represent-at-hall-of-fame-induction-video/
Lol 25% of DS will attend then. If John would refuse to go, he would make the whole ceremony from epic level to legendary level.
Post by: Jules on March 31, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
No Mark Pick and David.
http://www.955glo.com/2018/03/30/dire-straits-will-under-represent-at-hall-of-fame-induction-video/
We already knew that the ones going were John, Guy and Alan...
Post by: schmonka on April 01, 2018, 04:51:25 AM
Yes, we all know the brothers don't get on, yes we all know MK steadfastly looks forward with no looking back, yes we know about the Legends (or whoever they are now) - but come on - cant all these guys just forget about all this cr*p and attend the ceremony? Even if the brothers just come along and shake hands (a performance would be nice - but that may be a stretch too far) - surely I think they could acknowledge the fans and support who bought album after album, attended tour after tour and helped get these guys to where they are now....pretty rich and (financially) living off past glories whether they would like to admit it or not!
How difficult would it be to shake some hands, say some thanks and show some appreciation....this IS a bit of a special event - come on, how hard can it be. The phrase "suck it up" springs to mind in this situation.
Post by: wakeywakey on April 01, 2018, 11:23:35 AM
It is not a surprise though as MK has treated the DS "brand" with such disdain over the years.
No deluxe releases,no official live releases,few "classic" songs in recent setlists,little acknowledgement that DS even existed!
There is no justifiable reason why the fans haven't been given more.It is not as though MK has worked tirelessly releasing albums and touring over the last 25 years.
He could easily have devoted some time to ensure the great albums were given the proper treatment.At the very least he could have chosen someone to overseen this.
If there isn't some kind of photo or video of the band acknowledging the honour of being inducted into the HOF it will reflect badly on them(mainly MK.)
This whole situation reminds of the great Elton song as it is "getting more and more absurd!"
Post by: quizzaciously on April 01, 2018, 11:28:16 AM
And moreover, he refused to go to the Oscar ceremony, even though he won the award...
Post by: PensaGhost on April 01, 2018, 02:09:25 PM
Is it me or is the fact that MK (and co - the founder members) don't seem to be attending a little sad?
Yes, we all know the brothers don't get on, yes we all know MK steadfastly looks forward with no looking back, yes we know about the Legends (or whoever they are now) - but come on - cant all these guys just forget about all this cr*p and attend the ceremony? Even if the brothers just come along and shake hands (a performance would be nice - but that may be a stretch too far) - surely I think they could acknowledge the fans and support who bought album after album, attended tour after tour and helped get these guys to where they are now....pretty rich and (financially) living off past glories whether they would like to admit it or not!
How difficult would it be to shake some hands, say some thanks and show some appreciation....this IS a bit of a special event - come on, how hard can it be. The phrase "suck it up" springs to mind in this situation.
David K said it was fine to even perform live !
It all comes down to MK's decision imo, he doesn't want to attend and everything else is just a consequence
Post by: cannibals on April 01, 2018, 08:21:52 PM
He alsways left the possibility open for a one time charity gig, something like Pink Floyd did for Live8.
There must be a reason for him not say a single word about this RRHOF award but it would have been a nice and probably the last small opportunity to do a reunion. It is very clear that he does not want to go down that road for one more time. Perhaps then it is the best to be clear about it. Then there is no room for discussion in the press and among us fans...and perhaps he should have done that 15 years ago.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 01, 2018, 09:48:56 PM
MK has been keeping the possibility of a reunion alive over the years. He never did say: i want to leave DS behind me, it has been great, i wish to thank everyone but i want to move on with my solo career. DS belongs to the past and i have absolutely no intention of bringing the band back together in the future. We will never perform again.
He didn't say it out loud, but I think everybody who will look at his solo career and see how prolific, rich and happy it is will see these words spark in their head. If he would be in need for some cash, boom — DS is back with another album and tour. But you can safely say, If DS is still dead, that means that MK is still going strong. The moment DS will be back again, it will be the end of MK as we know him. Which we don't want to see!
Post by: Trawlerman on April 01, 2018, 09:55:17 PM
MK has been keeping the possibility of a reunion alive over the years. He never did say: i want to leave DS behind me, it has been great, i wish to thank everyone but i want to move on with my solo career. DS belongs to the past and i have absolutely no intention of bringing the band back together in the future. We will never perform again.
He alsways left the possibility open for a one time charity gig, something like Pink Floyd did for Live8.
There must be a reason for him not say a single word about this RRHOF award but it would have been a nice and probably the last small opportunity to do a reunion. It is very clear that he does not want to go down that road for one more time. Perhaps then it is the best to be clear about it. Then there is no room for discussion in the press and among us fans...and perhaps he should have done that 15 years ago.
He's been very clear about it. You probably read too much into the possibility of a reunion or whatever.
He meant never say never, it doesn't mean he will have the obligation to do it at some point.
Anyway, HoF isn’t a charity thing.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 01, 2018, 10:42:29 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 02, 2018, 12:03:42 AM
I might be outnumbered here but I think it has a lot to do with Alan and DSL.
It's all guessing but i think you are right and the fact that MK and DK still have issues.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 02, 2018, 01:00:43 AM
I might be outnumbered here but I think it has a lot to do with Alan and DSL.
It's all guessing but i think you are right and the fact that MK and DK still have issues.
What blows my mind is that Mark's brother (David Knopfler) says that it would be nice if there'd be a performance on RRHOF. As if he doesn't know his own brother enough to know that it won't happen with 99% probability. Even we fans (not even hardcore ones) know it won't happen. But he's still in high hopes. What gives?
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 02, 2018, 01:04:37 AM
I might be outnumbered here but I think it has a lot to do with Alan and DSL.
It's all guessing but i think you are right and the fact that MK and DK still have issues.
Probably, but my guts tell me DSL was the silver bullet.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 02, 2018, 01:06:19 AM
I might be outnumbered here but I think it has a lot to do with Alan and DSL.
It's all guessing but i think you are right and the fact that MK and DK still have issues.
What blows my mind is that Mark's brother (David Knopfler) says that it would be nice if there'd be a performance on RRHOF. As if he doesn't know his own brother enough to know that it won't happen with 99% probability. Even we fans (not even hardcore ones) know it won't happen. But he's still in high hopes. What gives?
Hope maybe? Perhaps he thought that would be a good opportunity to make peace.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 02, 2018, 01:21:56 AM
I might be outnumbered here but I think it has a lot to do with Alan and DSL.
It's all guessing but i think you are right and the fact that MK and DK still have issues.
What blows my mind is that Mark's brother (David Knopfler) says that it would be nice if there'd be a performance on RRHOF. As if he doesn't know his own brother enough to know that it won't happen with 99% probability. Even we fans (not even hardcore ones) know it won't happen. But he's still in high hopes. What gives?
Hope maybe? Perhaps he thought that would be a good opportunity to make peace.
Still can't get why he'd have any hopes. The moment I've seen the news about DS induction I thought — no performance, Mark's not attending.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 02, 2018, 10:05:05 AM
I might be outnumbered here but I think it has a lot to do with Alan and DSL.I think you are right. Alan started praising MK when the HOF thing came up and they issued denials about the Three Chord Trick lyrics but by then it was too late.
They blew it.
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Post by: cannibals on April 02, 2018, 11:14:35 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on April 02, 2018, 11:23:02 AM
If only the RRHOF would have given the award to the original members of DS, would that have made a difference on a possible reunion???
Yes, it would raise it up 1% tops. From 1% to 2% possibility :lol
Post by: dmg on April 02, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 02, 2018, 01:27:04 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 02, 2018, 03:24:43 PM
If only the RRHOF would have given the award to the original members of DS, would that have made a difference on a possible reunion???
Yes, it would raise it up 1% tops. From 1% to 2% possibility :lol
:lol :lol :lol
Post by: Robson on April 02, 2018, 06:47:23 PM
https://www.prsformusic.com/press/2009/prs-for-music-honours-dire-straits-first-gig-venue
Post by: quizzaciously on April 02, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
I know it's a different story, but ... I just wanted to remind. Mark did not forget about the history of the DS.
https://www.prsformusic.com/press/2009/prs-for-music-honours-dire-straits-first-gig-venue
To unveil a plaque in London you doesn't have to travel to US and back :lol
Post by: Robson on April 02, 2018, 07:03:50 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 02, 2018, 07:51:48 PM
I mean the history of DS. Mark and John together last time?
They have been together several times the last years. Last time in public i believe was last year for a motorcycle event and i believe MK took part on a show some years ago where he was interviewed by John about his guitars...Anyway, John told recently that he and MK every year get together to talk about DS when something is happening. Beats me what they are talking about :lol
Post by: Robson on April 02, 2018, 08:00:18 PM
Post by: lfblaauw on April 03, 2018, 02:12:53 PM
Quote
Report: Dire Straits members Mark Knopfler and David Knopfler skipping Rock Hall induction ceremony
Posted on 4/2/2018 6:00 PM
Courtesy of Rock & Roll Hall of FameHopes that Dire Straits might reunite to perform at the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony seem dim following a report that neither frontman Mark Knopfler nor his brother, founding rhythm guitarist David Knopfler, will be attending the event.
As part of a conversation on a Facebook community page, someone identifying himself as David Knopfler revealed Monday that he decided not take part in the ceremony because the Rock Hall had reneged on a promise to pay his travel expenses.
Knopfler, who was responding to a question posed by Cleveland.com reporter Michael Norman, went on to complain, "I can well understand that with only $5 mil a year in sponsorships and [$100,000] a table and no fees for the artist that paying my taxi to the airport must have given them heart murmurs like Squeers hearing Oliver Twist asking for more and frightened them into refusal otherwise one might get the wrong idea entirely about what they're all about."
When Norman revealed he was a member of the Cleveland media and was interested in talking further with him about the Rock Hall, David responded by saying, "I think I've already said too much," adding, "It's a great honour to be nominated all the rest is just the usual Faustian BS."
Later on in the thread, David told another participant in the conversation that the only Dire Straits members who would be attending the ceremony were "John [Illsley], Alan [Clark] and Guy [Fletcher]."
As for why his brother, Mark, wasn't going to the ceremony, David said, "Mark has other more creative things to be doing with his time. I doubt I'd have done differently in his shoes."
The 2018 Rock Hall induction ceremony takes place Saturday, April 14, in Cleveland.
Source: http://www.wjbdradio.com/music-news/2018/04/02/report-dire-straits-members-mark-knopfler-and-david-knopfler-skipping-rock-hall-induction-ceremony
Post by: quizzaciously on April 03, 2018, 02:42:36 PM
QuoteReport: Dire Straits members Mark Knopfler and David Knopfler skipping Rock Hall induction ceremony
Posted on 4/2/2018 6:00 PM
Courtesy of Rock & Roll Hall of FameHopes that Dire Straits might reunite to perform at the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony seem dim following a report that neither frontman Mark Knopfler nor his brother, founding rhythm guitarist David Knopfler, will be attending the event.
As part of a conversation on a Facebook community page, someone identifying himself as David Knopfler revealed Monday that he decided not take part in the ceremony because the Rock Hall had reneged on a promise to pay his travel expenses.
Knopfler, who was responding to a question posed by Cleveland.com reporter Michael Norman, went on to complain, "I can well understand that with only $5 mil a year in sponsorships and [$100,000] a table and no fees for the artist that paying my taxi to the airport must have given them heart murmurs like Squeers hearing Oliver Twist asking for more and frightened them into refusal otherwise one might get the wrong idea entirely about what they're all about."
When Norman revealed he was a member of the Cleveland media and was interested in talking further with him about the Rock Hall, David responded by saying, "I think I've already said too much," adding, "It's a great honour to be nominated all the rest is just the usual Faustian BS."
Later on in the thread, David told another participant in the conversation that the only Dire Straits members who would be attending the ceremony were "John [Illsley], Alan [Clark] and Guy [Fletcher]."
As for why his brother, Mark, wasn't going to the ceremony, David said, "Mark has other more creative things to be doing with his time. I doubt I'd have done differently in his shoes."
The 2018 Rock Hall induction ceremony takes place Saturday, April 14, in Cleveland.
Source: http://www.wjbdradio.com/music-news/2018/04/02/report-dire-straits-members-mark-knopfler-and-david-knopfler-skipping-rock-hall-induction-ceremony
I'm happy the way it goes. Would be better if John, Alan and Guy would refuse to go, because now it looks kind of funny.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 03, 2018, 02:48:36 PM
Post by: superval99 on April 03, 2018, 05:45:51 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 03, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Dire Straits frontman Mark Knopfler and his brother David may not be coming to Cleveland for the band's April 14 induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. But three members of the group -- bassist John Illsley and keyboardists Alan Clark and Guy Fletcher -- will be in town and will be performing at least one Dire Straits song at the ceremony.
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John Alan and Guy will play at the induction ???
From AC website:
There's a lot of conjecture on forums about whether the band is performing at the Hall of Fame, and if not why not and who in the band are going to the ceremony. Well, here it is and it's official: Myself, Guy Fletcher and John Illsley will attend the ceremony where we'll be be performing an unplugged version of Telegraph Road with me on harmonium, Guy on ukulele, John on banjo, and the vocal sung by Stevie Wonder.
???
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 03, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
Post by: dmg on April 03, 2018, 07:47:17 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/04/dire_straits_to_perform_at_roc.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Dire Straits frontman Mark Knopfler and his brother David may not be coming to Cleveland for the band's April 14 induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. But three members of the group -- bassist John Illsley and keyboardists Alan Clark and Guy Fletcher -- will be in town and will be performing at least one Dire Straits song at the ceremony.
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John Alan and Guy will play at the induction ???
:lol
I would take that as AC's attempt at humour.
Post by: superval99 on April 03, 2018, 07:48:02 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 03, 2018, 07:48:07 PM
There's a lot of conjecture on forums about whether the band is performing at the Hall of Fame, and if not why not and who in the band are going to the ceremony. Well, here it is and it's official: Myself, Guy Fletcher and John Illsley will attend the ceremony where we'll be be performing an unplugged version of Telegraph Road with me on harmonium, Guy on ukulele, John on banjo, and the vocal sung by Stevie Wonder.
???
Post by: PensaGhost on April 03, 2018, 07:51:19 PM
From AC website:
There's a lot of conjecture on forums about whether the band is performing at the Hall of Fame, and if not why not and who in the band are going to the ceremony. Well, here it is and it's official: Myself, Guy Fletcher and John Illsley will attend the ceremony where we'll be be performing an unplugged version of Telegraph Road with me on harmonium, Guy on ukulele, John on banjo, and the vocal sung by Stevie Wonder.
???
mmmmmmm if AC is trying to be funny that's not funny
http://www.alanclarkmusic.com/bio/
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 03, 2018, 08:08:11 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/04/dire_straits_to_perform_at_roc.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Dire Straits frontman Mark Knopfler and his brother David may not be coming to Cleveland for the band's April 14 induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. But three members of the group -- bassist John Illsley and keyboardists Alan Clark and Guy Fletcher -- will be in town and will be performing at least one Dire Straits song at the ceremony.
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John Alan and Guy will play at the induction ???
:lol
I would take that as AC's attempt at humour.
I won’t be surprised if there’ll be a couple of dudes doing vocals and lead guitars while John, Guy and Alan do their thing. If it’s John Mayer and Keith Urban I’ll love it.
Post by: cannibals on April 03, 2018, 08:11:44 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 03, 2018, 08:29:37 PM
No eye man
No eye, no eye man
No eye man
No eye, no eye man
Oh gosh, I’m going straight to hell after this one.
Post by: Love Expresso on April 03, 2018, 08:40:46 PM
LE
Post by: cannibals on April 03, 2018, 09:30:21 PM
Post by: Jules on April 03, 2018, 10:13:46 PM
Well if he posted this sunday, I dont't know but Sunday was April 1. ;D
Exactly
Post by: quizzaciously on April 03, 2018, 10:46:49 PM
Lol Stevie Wonder singing Why Aye Man, great!
No eye man
No eye, no eye man
No eye man
No eye, no eye man
Oh gosh, I’m going straight to hell after this one.
Lol actually this is hilarious. There's no single topic on Earth you can't make a joke about, except for maybe some religion ones. Moreover, this is technically false, because Stevie has eyes, it's just he can't see a thing with them. So "No Eye Man" might as well be a character song, which is a common thing in Mark's songs anyway.
Post by: ds1984 on April 03, 2018, 11:46:18 PM
Well if he posted this sunday, I dont't know but Sunday was April 1. ;D
Exactly
I think so. And found it very funny.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 04, 2018, 12:17:27 AM
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Post by: Pottel on April 04, 2018, 01:07:32 AM
Yes, not funny at all, sorry to say. Crossed the line one step too far from my point of view. Maybe better delete it? :waveNope. Freedom of speech. Distasteful, sure, but so are many things.
LE
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Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2018, 01:23:40 AM
and april 01 or not I don't think it's funny nor professional
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 02:48:46 AM
Yes, not funny at all, sorry to say. Crossed the line one step too far from my point of view. Maybe better delete it? :waveNope. Freedom of speech. Distasteful, sure, but so are many things.
LE
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It would be if SW didn’t have eyes and it hadn’t started with a joke made by Alan. Just a word play, really. Big fan here, btw. Stevie is in my top 10.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 02:50:22 AM
Lol Stevie Wonder singing Why Aye Man, great!
No eye man
No eye, no eye man
No eye man
No eye, no eye man
Oh gosh, I’m going straight to hell after this one.
Lol actually this is hilarious. There's no single topic on Earth you can't make a joke about, except for maybe some religion ones. Moreover, this is technically false, because Stevie has eyes, it's just he can't see a thing with them. So "No Eye Man" might as well be a character song, which is a common thing in Mark's songs anyway.
Thanks for your sense of humor:)
Post by: Mossguitar on April 04, 2018, 06:59:57 AM
From AC website:Haha, good joke!
There's a lot of conjecture on forums about whether the band is performing at the Hall of Fame, and if not why not and who in the band are going to the ceremony. Well, here it is and it's official: Myself, Guy Fletcher and John Illsley will attend the ceremony where we'll be be performing an unplugged version of Telegraph Road with me on harmonium, Guy on ukulele, John on banjo, and the vocal sung by Stevie Wonder.
???
Post by: Jules on April 04, 2018, 10:05:32 AM
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/dire-straits-rock-hall-induction-2018/
Post by: allen on April 04, 2018, 12:41:31 PM
Post by: allen on April 04, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
OK, before April Fools' Day, AC said three of them doing harmonies, and in April he said Stevie Wonder will sing. Sorry, I can not appreciate his OFFICIAL joke at this moment, at all. There's no official annoucement from Damage Management, all fans want to know if MK will be there, if DS will perform there. We fans need a clear annoucement, not an official joke, it's not the right time to stir muddy water. Sorry.
yes April 01 has probably nothing to do with it, infact in his site April 01 is not even mentioned
knowing AC it might be an attack to MK
Post by: Jules on April 04, 2018, 02:01:37 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 02:14:33 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
As much as I disapprove Alan's attempt to milk DS I loved the joke. Isn't it clear DS is not performing? Isn't it obvious that Alan wanted to perform? Can you imagine how many times people have asked him about it? He got fed up and cracked a joke. That's called sarcasm and brits do it better than anyone. I still can't believe some journalists took it seriously and published it. Classic.
It could be a joke but also an attack to MK
A way to say, look what TR (and DS songs in general) has become, ukulele banjo etc , we could play them much better if DS were back
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
As much as I disapprove Alan's attempt to milk DS I loved the joke. Isn't it clear DS is not performing? Isn't it obvious that Alan wanted to perform? Can you imagine how many times people have asked him about it? He got fed up and cracked a joke. That's called sarcasm and brits do it better than anyone. I still can't believe some journalists took it seriously and published it. Classic.
It could be a joke but also an attack to MK
A way to say, look what TR (and DS songs in general) has become, ukulele banjo etc , we could play them much better if DS were back
I think you're reading too much into it. Alan has disrespected Mark a few times for sure but I don't think that's the case here, that's pure sarcasm.
Post by: Pottel on April 04, 2018, 02:43:21 PM
AgreeAs much as I disapprove Alan's attempt to milk DS I loved the joke. Isn't it clear DS is not performing? Isn't it obvious that Alan wanted to perform? Can you imagine how many times people have asked him about it? He got fed up and cracked a joke. That's called sarcasm and brits do it better than anyone. I still can't believe some journalists took it seriously and published it. Classic.
It could be a joke but also an attack to MK
A way to say, look what TR (and DS songs in general) has become, ukulele banjo etc , we could play them much better if DS were back
I think you're reading too much into it. Alan has disrespected Mark a few times for sure but I don't think that's the case here, that's pure sarcasm.
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Post by: quizzaciously on April 04, 2018, 02:49:08 PM
As much as I disapprove Alan's attempt to milk DS I loved the joke. Isn't it clear DS is not performing? Isn't it obvious that Alan wanted to perform? Can you imagine how many times people have asked him about it? He got fed up and cracked a joke. That's called sarcasm and brits do it better than anyone. I still can't believe some journalists took it seriously and published it. Classic.
It could be a joke but also an attack to MK
A way to say, look what TR (and DS songs in general) has become, ukulele banjo etc , we could play them much better if DS were back
Man, only after your input I realised WHICH song Alan has mentioned. Man, after all these years they all can't just settle down.
Telegraph Road could easily be written by Knopfler/Clark, but for the same reasons the ceremony will be ignored — it isn't.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2018, 03:10:58 PM
As much as I disapprove Alan's attempt to milk DS I loved the joke. Isn't it clear DS is not performing? Isn't it obvious that Alan wanted to perform? Can you imagine how many times people have asked him about it? He got fed up and cracked a joke. That's called sarcasm and brits do it better than anyone. I still can't believe some journalists took it seriously and published it. Classic.
It could be a joke but also an attack to MK
A way to say, look what TR (and DS songs in general) has become, ukulele banjo etc , we could play them much better if DS were back
Man, only after your input I realised WHICH song Alan has mentioned. Man, after all these years they all can't just settle down.
Telegraph Road could easily be written by Knopfler/Clark, but for the same reasons the ceremony will be ignored — it isn't.
yes, too many coincidences and previous bad feelings to be just a joke
Post by: Jules on April 04, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on April 04, 2018, 04:08:30 PM
I agree that some of you are reading too much beyond any wildest dreams...
Yeah, he just casually picked the song he probably had the most of his composer's impact with DS, nothing strange. Coincidence, nothing more.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
I agree that some of you are reading too much beyond any wildest dreams...
Yeah, he just casually picked the song he probably had the most of his composer's impact with DS, nothing strange. Coincidence, nothing more.
:lol :lol
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 04:20:25 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on April 04, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
We all know TR is the most challenging DS's to play, Guy has stated that several times. Now just imagine how hilarious and surreal that would be to perform TR with the instruments Alan mentioned. It's all about the contrast, at least that's my interpretation.
I dunno... Nobody would perform a 15 minute song receiving any type of award anyway. Even played on an ukulele :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 04:32:34 PM
We all know TR is the most challenging DS's to play, Guy has stated that several times. Now just imagine how hilarious and surreal that would be to perform TR with the instruments Alan mentioned. It's all about the contrast, at least that's my interpretation.
I dunno... Nobody would perform a 15 minute song receiving any type of award anyway. Even played on an ukulele :lol :lol :lol
That's exactly the point :)
Post by: allen on April 04, 2018, 04:35:29 PM
Post by: ds1984 on April 04, 2018, 04:45:10 PM
My 0.02 on it.
Stay cool :wave
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 04:47:35 PM
Sorry, but please tell me why a joke about TR, not SOS? I think SOS is the most symbolic song of DS, but here why a joke about TR? I read somewhere AC wants to have writing credit on TR. I'm not talking about which song is the most challenging song to play, and it's obvious that choosing the most challenging song to play for a long time disbanded members is not a good idea.
Maybe because playing Sultans on the ukelele isn't that absurd? In fact if you go on Youtube you will find many examples. Alan tried to sound as absurd as possible, that's all. Sometimes you come across a joke from another country and it doesn't land. I lived in New Zealand for three years and know how frustrating it can be.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 04, 2018, 04:48:38 PM
AC was not part of SOS at the time of the writing whereas we all know that even if AC did not compose TR he was involved in the "birth" of that song.
My 0.02 on it.
Stay cool :wave
Wait for Alan reading all that and putting even more hilarious jokes on his website :lol :lol :lol
I think the induction of Dire Straits is in dire straits...
Post by: binone on April 04, 2018, 05:13:48 PM
The forthcoming tour would be in serious problems. Such a betrayal would depress MK till death.
Just joking seriously.
Post by: koobaa on April 04, 2018, 05:18:58 PM
We all know TR is the most challenging DS song to play, Guy has stated that several times. Now just imagine how hilarious and surreal that would be to perform TR with the instruments Alan mentioned. It's all about the contrast, at least that's my interpretation.
Well, it's been done before! And even in Czech language to make things more interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sey2rntAiKM
Post by: binone on April 04, 2018, 05:22:07 PM
You just uncovered the video for the induction. The last one, close the door, please 🤣🤣🤣🤣We all know TR is the most challenging DS song to play, Guy has stated that several times. Now just imagine how hilarious and surreal that would be to perform TR with the instruments Alan mentioned. It's all about the contrast, at least that's my interpretation.
Well, it's been done before! And even in Czech language to make things more interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sey2rntAiKM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 05:25:41 PM
Post by: koobaa on April 04, 2018, 05:26:13 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2018, 06:06:21 PM
Check out the ending, they're going wild on these banjos!
it's fantastic, they are in the future, it's what the MK 2019 tour is going to sound like :lol :lol
Post by: Marijo58 on April 04, 2018, 06:26:36 PM
Yes that's what I think it is too!!! AC is still a very angry ex member of DS....As much as I disapprove Alan's attempt to milk DS I loved the joke. Isn't it clear DS is not performing? Isn't it obvious that Alan wanted to perform? Can you imagine how many times people have asked him about it? He got fed up and cracked a joke. That's called sarcasm and brits do it better than anyone. I still can't believe some journalists took it seriously and published it. Classic.
It could be a joke but also an attack to MK
A way to say, look what TR (and DS songs in general) has become, ukulele banjo etc , we could play them much better if DS were back
I think you're reading too much into it. Alan has disrespected Mark a few times for sure but I don't think that's the case here, that's pure sarcasm.
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Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 06:53:39 PM
Check out the ending, they're going wild on these banjos!
To me it sounds like Spaceballs meets the Red Army Choir in Nashville lol
It's good if they intended to be funny though.
Post by: Jules on April 04, 2018, 07:09:54 PM
https://961therocket.iheart.com/content/2018-04-04-dire-straits-a-bad-attempt-at-humor/
I didn't had the chance to listen to the audios yet :(
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
Looks like MK finally had said something
https://961therocket.iheart.com/content/2018-04-04-dire-straits-a-bad-attempt-at-humor/
I didn't had the chance to listen to the audios yet :(
Mark says it seems like 30 years ago so I'm not really sure if that's what I wanna do.
David's is that famous sentence about meeting Mark at funerals and weddings.
Post by: Jules on April 04, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 07:25:35 PM
https://wncx.radio.com/blogs/vic-gideon/mark-knopfler-requests-bob-dylan-or-eric-clapton-induct-dire-straits
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Never heard of any of these artists saying anything about DS.
Post by: Jules on April 04, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2018, 07:41:16 PM
At least it makes clear Alan was joking. At least one journalist doing his work properly.
there's nothing in that interview that clears it being only a joke or a joke/attack
Post by: Jules on April 04, 2018, 07:51:04 PM
At least it makes clear Alan was joking. At least one journalist doing his work properly.
there's nothing in that interview that clears it being only a joke or a joke /attack
The claim by a member of Dire Straits that the group would perform at next week's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony with Stevie Wonder was, it turns out, a poor attempt at humor
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 07:52:46 PM
I doubt MK had said that.
Me too. Just asked Mr End of March.
Post by: cannibals on April 04, 2018, 08:21:44 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2018, 09:09:39 PM
I'm reading that MK is also not on speaking terms with Pick. What happened between them?
I think they never spoke again after Pick left the band.
Post by: dmg on April 04, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
I'm reading that MK is also not on speaking terms with Pick. What happened between them?
I think they never spoke again after Pick left the band.
Word is Pick felt Mark had used him, but we all know that Mark never uses a pick. ;D
Post by: JF on April 04, 2018, 11:16:53 PM
I'm reading that MK is also not on speaking terms with Pick. What happened between them?
I think they never spoke again after Pick left the band.
Word is Pick felt Mark had used him, but we all know that Mark never uses a pick. ;D
:lol :lol :lol
ah ah good one
but Mark did use a pick of course, and a lot of time, and not only for his Marvin-style sound ;)
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/09/30/songs-that-mark-knopfler-plays-with-a-pick/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/09/30/songs-that-mark-knopfler-plays-with-a-pick/)
Post by: dmg on April 04, 2018, 11:49:34 PM
I'm reading that MK is also not on speaking terms with Pick. What happened between them?
I think they never spoke again after Pick left the band.
Word is Pick felt Mark had used him, but we all know that Mark never uses a pick. ;D
:lol :lol :lol
ah ah good one
but Mark did use a pick of course, and a lot of time, and not only for his Marvin-style sound ;)
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/09/30/songs-that-mark-knopfler-plays-with-a-pick/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/09/30/songs-that-mark-knopfler-plays-with-a-pick/)
Ah, but then the gag doesn't work. Shh! ;)
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 05, 2018, 01:13:26 AM
I'm reading that MK is also not on speaking terms with Pick. What happened between them?
I think they never spoke again after Pick left the band.
Word is Pick felt Mark had used him, but we all know that Mark never uses a pick. ;D
I don’t know if any of you guys is aware of that but at this very moment the future of Brazil is being decided by the Supreme Court and I’ve never been so nervous in my entire life. And you still made me laugh so loud my dogs thought I was dying lol best one ever!
Post by: schmonka on April 05, 2018, 06:37:26 AM
We all know any sort of performance was likely a step too far - but seriously, how hard would it be for MK to jump on a plane....attend the induction, shake some hands, smile (awkwardly) and give the customary "Thank You" speech. It does in fact show how MK wants people to buy the albums and come to the tours, but cant be bothered to show fans his appreciation for essentially getting him to where he is now and allowing him (and quite a few connected with the DS brand) to have a very comfortable life. Its supposed to be and acknowledgement of a the bands achievements (all made possible by fans) and to now for MK to sit in MK Towers and think..."Nah, i cant be arsed to go to that"....doesn't sit very well with me. Yes, we all have to do things we don't want to do, (and TBH i don't think i would like to see a couple of DS songs performed on the as the whole thing would likely be a car crash and a massive anticlimax), but shaking some hands, a quick speech and showing your face as a thank you to the millions of fans who have supported the band over the years would be the right thing to do....Ill say again, MK, suck it up! For the record i wouldn't want DS to reunite as MK's solo stuff is very good (apart from a radial set list overhaul, but thats another issue!), but this attitude doesn't in my view award MK with many brownie points....
Post by: JF on April 05, 2018, 09:03:44 AM
Ok, there still seems to be stoney silence from MK and the management team to give ANY sort of answer - but I'm going to say this again....This attitude kind of sucks TBH.
We all know any sort of performance was likely a step too far - but seriously, how hard would it be for MK to jump on a plane....attend the induction, shake some hands, smile (awkwardly) and give the customary "Thank You" speech. It does in fact show how MK wants people to buy the albums and come to the tours, but cant be bothered to show fans his appreciation for essentially getting him to where he is now and allowing him (and quite a few connected with the DS brand) to have a very comfortable life. Its supposed to be and acknowledgement of a the bands achievements (all made possible by fans) and to now for MK to sit in MK Towers and think..."Nah, i cant be arsed to go to that"....doesn't sit very well with me. Yes, we all have to do things we don't want to do, (and TBH i don't think i would like to see a couple of DS songs performed on the as the whole thing would likely be a car crash and a massive anticlimax), but shaking some hands, a quick speech and showing your face as a thank you to the millions of fans who have supported the band over the years would be the right thing to do....Ill say again, MK, suck it up! For the record i wouldn't want DS to reunite as MK's solo stuff is very good (apart from a radial set list overhaul, but thats another issue!), but this attitude doesn't in my view award MK with many brownie points....
+1000 :thumbsup
Post by: herlock on April 05, 2018, 09:06:14 AM
The RRHOF is in itself quite bullshit.
On top of that, how to take seriously an induction coming...30 years too late ?! Had this come circa 1988, after the huge success of BIA album and tour, this could have been an event, but in 2018... Isn't kind of a joke ?
Am I the only one to think that MK may be the only sane mind here ?
Post by: Silvertown on April 05, 2018, 09:57:28 AM
What about we all relax about this ?
The RRHOF is in itself quite bullshit.
On top of that, how to take seriously an induction coming...30 years too late ?! Had this come circa 1988, after the huge success of BIA album and tour, this could have been an event, but in 2018... Isn't kind of a joke ?
Am I the only one to think that MK may be the only sane mind here ?
I kind of agree. RRHOF is commercial organisation and I agree that it is very late for the nomination (if we look into who has been nominated already).
Post by: Jules on April 05, 2018, 09:59:46 AM
It would had been so easy...
But Mark is Mark. I guess from who he learn it... From his Bobness?
Post by: superval99 on April 05, 2018, 10:11:07 AM
It would had been so easy to publish a small note like "thank you very much for this award, I'm busy working on several projects so I wouldn't be able to attend"
It would had been so easy...
But Mark is Mark. I guess from who he learn it... From his Bobness?
I understood that there will be a video link at the ceremony, so probably MK will give his thanks and explanations of why he isn't attending then, as happens at the Oscars, etc. :)
Post by: Jules on April 05, 2018, 10:14:38 AM
Everybody has confirmed his assistance or not, except MK
Post by: superval99 on April 05, 2018, 10:25:15 AM
Yes but, have you read the press comments about it?
Everybody has confirmed his assistance or not, except MK
I'm pretty sure MK doesn't care a jot about press comments. Mark isn't "everybody", he does things in his own sweet way! ;)
Post by: Jules on April 05, 2018, 10:30:43 AM
I'm pretty sure he knew what he would do from moment zero. A small note telling he is not going would had fit with a gentleman image.
What he's doing is a "Dylan won the nobel and he's doing the grumpy"
Post by: superval99 on April 05, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
It's not about care a jot, is about being a gentleman.
I'm pretty sure he knew what he would do from moment zero. A small note telling he is not going would had fit with a gentleman image.
What he's doing is a "Dylan won the nobel and he's doing the grumpy"
Yes, I agree he could have done that and, maybe, in the next two weeks he will - there is still time. :)
Post by: Pottel on April 05, 2018, 10:39:17 AM
It would had been so easy to publish a small note like "thank you very much for this award, I'm busy working on several projects so I wouldn't be able to attend"Possibly, lol
It would had been so easy...
But Mark is Mark. I guess from who he learn it... From his Bobness?
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Post by: superval99 on April 05, 2018, 10:46:38 AM
Post by: Pottel on April 05, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
For whatever reason MK is behaving in this way, he is creating publicity for himself in the press and you know what they say about publicity? It is better to have bad publicity than none! He probably learned that from Mr Bob too! ::)So true as well...
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Post by: Jules on April 05, 2018, 11:03:47 AM
Post by: superval99 on April 05, 2018, 11:15:47 AM
I used to be happy MK wasn't like Bob...
So was I, until now! :think
Post by: Robson on April 05, 2018, 02:37:20 PM
It’s like a talking to the wall
He’s incommunicado no comment to make
He’s saying nothing at all..."
/Communique/
:)
Post by: Jules on April 05, 2018, 02:39:33 PM
"We wanna get a statement for Jesus’ sake
It’s like a talking to the wall
He’s incommunicado no comment to make
He’s saying nothing at all..."
/Communique/
:)
Exactly
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 05, 2018, 02:44:06 PM
"We wanna get a statement for Jesus’ sake
It’s like a talking to the wall
He’s incommunicado no comment to make
He’s saying nothing at all..."
/Communique/
:)
Unless your name is Tom you may give him the credits for this brilliant comment on Guy's forum. This was genius! :lol
Post by: Robson on April 05, 2018, 02:46:21 PM
Post by: primi on April 05, 2018, 06:19:51 PM
"We wanna get a statement for Jesus’ sake
It’s like a talking to the wall
He’s incommunicado no comment to make
He’s saying nothing at all..."
/Communique/
:)
Unless your name is Tom you may give him the credits for this brilliant comment on Guy's forum. This was genius! :lol
At this point I'd actually be surprised that Guy even knows those ancient lyrics from an album long forgotten that he never ever played live to the best of my knowledge. But there's more to it. That was actually Mark whispering in his ear and that's the song they'll be performing without any other statement over a video link from British Grove studios. Banjo, harmonium and ukulele included most likely. ;D
Post by: Stanko on April 05, 2018, 09:15:38 PM
"We wanna get a statement for Jesus’ sakelol good one! :D
It’s like a talking to the wall
He’s incommunicado no comment to make
He’s saying nothing at all..."
/Communique/
:)
that's the way you do it!
Post by: Stanko on April 05, 2018, 09:21:01 PM
I don't agree and i would like if he will not.It's not about care a jot, is about being a gentleman.
I'm pretty sure he knew what he would do from moment zero. A small note telling he is not going would had fit with a gentleman image.
What he's doing is a "Dylan won the nobel and he's doing the grumpy"
Yes, I agree he could have done that and, maybe, in the next two weeks he will - there is still time. :)
Post by: border_reiver on April 05, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
I have given up now. MK wasn't the guy I thought he was inside the core. And I'm disappointed with the high hopes being crushed. Good thing he still makes nice music. I'll stick around for another while. :)
Post by: Robson on April 05, 2018, 10:11:12 PM
Post by: border_reiver on April 05, 2018, 10:22:57 PM
I get the feeling that if there was no DS Legacy, things might have been different.
Not a bad guess.
Post by: allen on April 06, 2018, 03:26:43 AM
I get the feeling that if there was no DS Legacy, things might have been different.
Pick Withers joined DSL show/s, which surprised me, and he won't appear in the RRHOF, surprises me a little again. And I have given up invsetigating relationships of those ex-members, coz it's too subtle, intricate, and time-varying.
Post by: cannibals on April 06, 2018, 05:57:40 AM
I get the feeling that if there was no DS Legacy, things might have been different.
Pick Withers joined DSL show/s, which surprised me, and he won't appear in the RRHOF, surprises me a little again. And I have given up invsetigating relationships of those ex-members, coz it's too subtle, intricate, and time-varying.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe even John Illsley played a few concerts with those Legacy guys a few years ago...
Post by: allen on April 06, 2018, 06:32:57 AM
I get the feeling that if there was no DS Legacy, things might have been different.
Pick Withers joined DSL show/s, which surprised me, and he won't appear in the RRHOF, surprises me a little again. And I have given up invsetigating relationships of those ex-members, coz it's too subtle, intricate, and time-varying.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe even John Illsley played a few concerts with those Legacy guys a few years ago...
Yes, and DK appeared in the tribute band as well. It seems everyone associated with each other except MK. And this time, JI, GF and AC are a new combination for me.
Post by: Trawlerman on April 06, 2018, 07:32:17 AM
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Post by: Jules on April 06, 2018, 08:52:09 AM
Post by: JF on April 06, 2018, 08:55:55 AM
It's just that MK has sent Guy in representation...yes likely, but imho I find that John would have been a better choice for a DS/MK representation. He is the only other one to have been in the band during the whole DS career
Post by: Jules on April 06, 2018, 08:57:51 AM
Post by: schmonka on April 06, 2018, 09:29:16 AM
I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 2 - I really don't think MK can be arsed to go.
If a representative for MK were needed, John would be the natural choice (seeing as he was a DS "founder" member)
Post by: quizzaciously on April 06, 2018, 11:00:49 AM
I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 2 - I really don't think MK can be arsed to go.
If a representative for MK were needed, John would be the natural choice (seeing as he was a DS "founder" member)
It depends on the type of video presentation that will be on the ceremony. I really hope it will not be a generic, seen million times documentary with common words. Best scenario is a statement recorded in Mark's studio. It's like — THIS is what Dire Straits gave to me, and for that I thank you, but I've got a lot of work to do, so enjoy your time in Cleveland. Or something. That would be the best attendance that there is.
Post by: Robson on April 06, 2018, 11:01:09 AM
I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 3
It is true. Mark has recorded a new album with Phil Palmer.
Post by: straitsway75 on April 06, 2018, 11:24:44 AM
I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 3
It is true. Mark has recorded a new album with Phil Palmer.
only for say that I know that Phil Palmer had much respect in music's world for his ability on guitar, but I never like his 'sound', his solo in Money his for me a sorrow :disbelief :disbelief
anyway I don't think that Legacy, Straits and all these stuff (with all persons involved) haved Mark's respect, you remember 'poor souls'?
Post by: naif on April 06, 2018, 11:27:09 AM
Which albüm?I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 3
It is true. Mark has recorded a new album with Phil Palmer.
Post by: Robson on April 06, 2018, 11:35:20 AM
I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 3
It is true. Mark has recorded a new album with Phil Palmer.
only for say that I know that Phil Palmer had much respect in music's world for his ability on guitar, but I never like his 'sound', his solo in Money his for me a sorrow :disbelief :disbelief
anyway I don't think that Legacy, Straits and all these stuff (with all persons involved) haved Mark's respect, you remember 'poor souls'?
"Old ghosts revisited today
No original members...
Yes. The originator of DS Legacy was Alan Clark.
Post by: Robson on April 06, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
Which albüm?I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 3
It is true. Mark has recorded a new album with Phil Palmer.
New :)
Post by: binone on April 06, 2018, 12:03:09 PM
Post by: dmg on April 06, 2018, 12:11:50 PM
Mark should include in the video an statement about him using his parents radio as improvised amp for his guitar. Without that radio, there wouldn't have been Dire Straits thing.
Absolutely! And the MFN thing with all the TV's tuned into MTV. Without all that he stutters all over the place and is completely out of his comfort zone like a concert without --, CBC, P, HFB, R&J, SOS, HA/MM, M, SAN, --- SFA, GH. :lol
Post by: binone on April 06, 2018, 12:16:25 PM
A phrase that takes hell inside.
Post by: Dutchessy on April 06, 2018, 01:13:02 PM
Which albüm?I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
Option 3
It is true. Mark has recorded a new album with Phil Palmer.
New :)
Care to explain? :think
Post by: Robson on April 06, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
ps. I need to rest. I'm sorry
Post by: Dutchessy on April 06, 2018, 03:27:50 PM
I'm sorry Danny Cummings !!! >:(
ps. I need to rest. I'm sorry
;D Sleep well :lol ;)
Post by: Jules on April 06, 2018, 03:28:39 PM
Post by: Robson on April 06, 2018, 03:45:00 PM
The waiting of so many events is killing Robson, lol
:thumbsup :)
Post by: Stanko on April 06, 2018, 08:54:54 PM
I'm more surprised Guy is going there to be honest.:thumbsup
It could mean a couple of things.
1 he will officially represent MK
2 MK REALLY doesn't give a **** about it and Guy can do whatever he wants
3 there's not so much bad blood as people want to believe
I pick all of three!
Post by: Jules on April 07, 2018, 08:37:13 AM
My hats of to Illsley, Clark and Fletcher to show their respect to the band fans going.
Post by: allen on April 07, 2018, 11:35:56 AM
My option is that as long as there is not any sponsor nor billionaire paying the usual loads of money to go, he's not doing the travel, doesn't matters if the HOF inducts DS or him as a solo artist.
My hats of to Illsley, Clark and Fletcher to show their respect to the band fans going.
I don't think money is the only reason why he won't attend the ceremony. It won't cost him a fortune to go there. I can go there if I think it's worth a visit, and I guess you, too. And apparently he has much more money than you and me.
And I still doubt he will attend the ceremony if RRHOF covers all his flight tickes and acommodation there.
And remember, he is the man who does not like being in the spotlight, as well.
I think the main reason is still the relation between him and some other ex-member(s).
It's obvious that it is more likely he will be there if he still keeps good relations with all other ex-members. In that case, there would have been no song of "Terminal of Tribute to".
Post by: cannibals on April 07, 2018, 01:00:35 PM
---
The confusion surrounding Dire Straits' induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame next week was cleared up somewhat when we spoke to bassist John Illsley this (Thursday) afternoon.
He says that the three alumni of the band who have said they would attend -- him and keyboardists Guy Fletcher and Alan Clark -- will not perform without frontman Mark Knopfler, who, for reasons that we have been told are "personal and complicated," will not be there. Neither will his brother David or drummer Pick Withers, who are also being inducted.
John Illsley on Dire Straits not performing at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony:
----
There is also an audio file in the link: https://961therocket.iheart.com/content/2018-04-06-dire-straits-what-we-know/
:wave
Post by: PensaGhost on April 07, 2018, 01:26:27 PM
Post by: Robson on April 07, 2018, 02:23:15 PM
I respect this.
Post by: allen on April 07, 2018, 02:40:34 PM
"personal and complicated"
I respect this.
At least, that means it's not only money that matters.
Post by: Jules on April 07, 2018, 03:03:37 PM
Stubborn as a mule, we say in Spain.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 07, 2018, 03:20:52 PM
Post by: Jules on April 07, 2018, 03:41:47 PM
He's stubborn as a mule with David and Alan so he doesn't give a damm about even think about it.
Post by: holaknopfler on April 07, 2018, 06:26:52 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 07, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
Post by: herlock on April 07, 2018, 06:53:54 PM
Guys, cheer up and listen to your favourite album, whatever it is :)
Post by: ruipedro on April 07, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 07, 2018, 08:07:35 PM
“There’s a lot of conjecture on forums about whether the band is performing at the Hall of Fame, and if not why not, and who in the band are going to the ceremony. Well, here it is and it's official: Myself, Guy Fletcher and John Illsley will attend the ceremony where we'll be be performing an unplugged version of Telegraph Road, with me on harmonium, Guy on ukulele, John on banjo, and the vocal sung NOT by Stevie Wonder, as previously reported, which would, I admit, be ridiculous. No, after much deliberation we decided the best possible replacement for Mark would be the Red Army Choir, which took some organising, as you can imagine, what with the current political climate. Oh, and I'm considering, should I be in the mood on the night, throwing in a Jews Harp solo on the bit after "three lanes moving slow..."
Is it my turn to read too much into things or Alan’s clearly gone belligerent against Mark now?
Post by: PensaGhost on April 07, 2018, 08:16:24 PM
From Alan’s website:
“There’s a lot of conjecture on forums about whether the band is performing at the Hall of Fame, and if not why not, and who in the band are going to the ceremony. Well, here it is and it's official: Myself, Guy Fletcher and John Illsley will attend the ceremony where we'll be be performing an unplugged version of Telegraph Road, with me on harmonium, Guy on ukulele, John on banjo, and the vocal sung NOT by Stevie Wonder, as previously reported, which would, I admit, be ridiculous. No, after much deliberation we decided the best possible replacement for Mark would be the Red Army Choir, which took some organising, as you can imagine, what with the current political climate. Oh, and I'm considering, should I be in the mood on the night, throwing in a Jews Harp solo on the bit after "three lanes moving slow..."
Is it my turn to read too much into things or Alan’s clearly gone belligerent against Mark now?
So now he's even editing and updating his insults every few days
he's been belligerent for years, just getting worse and worse and worse
pathetic at best
Post by: Pottel on April 07, 2018, 08:22:48 PM
I personally think we are all reading too much in this stuff. But hey, just my 2 cntsFrom Alan’s website:
“There’s a lot of conjecture on forums about whether the band is performing at the Hall of Fame, and if not why not, and who in the band are going to the ceremony. Well, here it is and it's official: Myself, Guy Fletcher and John Illsley will attend the ceremony where we'll be be performing an unplugged version of Telegraph Road, with me on harmonium, Guy on ukulele, John on banjo, and the vocal sung NOT by Stevie Wonder, as previously reported, which would, I admit, be ridiculous. No, after much deliberation we decided the best possible replacement for Mark would be the Red Army Choir, which took some organising, as you can imagine, what with the current political climate. Oh, and I'm considering, should I be in the mood on the night, throwing in a Jews Harp solo on the bit after "three lanes moving slow..."
Is it my turn to read too much into things or Alan’s clearly gone belligerent against Mark now?
So now he's even editing and updating his insults every few days
he's been belligerent for years, just getting worse and worse and worse
pathetic at best
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Post by: Robson on April 07, 2018, 08:31:12 PM
I understand more and more MK
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 07, 2018, 08:42:54 PM
Post by: Robson on April 07, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
Post by: Jules on April 07, 2018, 09:57:24 PM
Post by: Stanko on April 07, 2018, 10:19:59 PM
Post by: Jules on April 07, 2018, 11:09:09 PM
He's fooling the media clearly, and brilliantly.
Nobody that call himself a fan would believe that John and Guy will follow Alan with that crazy ideas. He's just brilliant with the hooks and the journalists are being caught in the hook.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 07, 2018, 11:40:29 PM
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2018, 12:30:45 AM
https://www.lsionline.com/news/hk-audio-scores-at-shearer-s-bar-7xwm9g
That was in 2005, just 13 years ago...
So they are not 25 years after all... 13 years ago MK and AC played together...
Post by: PensaGhost on April 08, 2018, 12:39:21 AM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 08, 2018, 01:02:09 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 08, 2018, 01:48:40 AM
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2018, 08:12:40 AM
It's an instrument. In the Guy Fletcher's Blues club band there is one musician playing that instrument.
https://youtu.be/Mrxxed54hcg
I can understand there is a hate sentiment against Alan but sometimes you leave yourself go further with the prejudice against him and read between lines that doesn't exists at all...
This is a free world of course and you are entitled to hate and feed your hate as much as you want, but sometimes you should think that maybe you are just chasing shadows under your own prejudice...
Alan just used an instrument that fits nothing at all with TR, another one, to continue with the joke. I know bthat when you hate Alan, whatever joke is like someone puts a knife on your back but to confuse the name of the instrument with MK origins is leaving your hate travel further your wildest imaginations and conspiracions...
Post by: herlock on April 08, 2018, 10:43:14 AM
Do you know what is a Jews harp?+1000
It's an instrument. In the Guy Fletcher's Blues club band there is one musician playing that instrument.
https://youtu.be/Mrxxed54hcg
I can understand there is a hate sentiment against Alan but sometimes you leave yourself go further with the prejudice against him and read between lines that doesn't exists at all...
This is a free world of course and you are entitled to hate and feed your hate as much as you want, but sometimes you should think that maybe you are just chasing shadows under your own prejudice...
Alan just used an instrument that fits nothing at all with TR, another one, to continue with the joke. I know bthat when you hate Alan, whatever joke is like someone puts a knife on your back but to confuse the name of the instrument with MK origins is leaving your hate travel further your wildest imaginations and conspiracions...
As much as I was disappointed with Alan for the "Mark was not such an important part of DS after all", I don't blame him for joking. I don't think this is an allusion to the way TR is played by MK know, this is stretching too far.
My God ! Again, all this tralala for a 30 year overdue ceremony ! I stick to my opinion that by not taking this "event" seriously, Mark's mental health is better than ours ! :)
Post by: olazabalrok on April 08, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
That’s mostly British sarcasm which is pretty... unique. But I do think mentioning Mark and saying he would replace him with the Red Army Choir and play Jews Harp was a bit too sharp.
Well it's obvious at this point that MK isn't attending so the comment is clearly not to be against MK, it's just a joke about what they would do instead since MK isn't there.
Post by: allen on April 08, 2018, 03:51:48 PM
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2018, 04:04:08 PM
Anyone who could enlight me about which year those ex-member tribute bands start? The relation may change after those tribute bands acted.
25 years ago apparently, LOL
In the real world, The Straits first concert was in 2011 I think... I might be wrong, didn't checked it properly.
Post by: dmg on April 08, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
Anyone who could enlight me about which year those ex-member tribute bands start? The relation may change after those tribute bands acted.
25 years ago apparently, LOL
In the real world, The Straits first concert was in 2011 I think... I might be wrong, didn't checked it properly.
The Straits had their debut show at the Royal Albert Hall in May 2011.
Post by: cannibals on April 08, 2018, 06:08:37 PM
So enjoy hating Alan. I find it boring and stupid
that's exactly the problem here, you don't stand other people's opinions, stubborn as a mule they say in Spain
In the contrary, I totally respect your hate against Alan, and that you let it blur how you understand whatever Alan does or says.
However, even your 25 years reference was false, as I proved, I wonder how MK and AC relationship has been since DS ended. They had worked together at lest three times that I can remember, during the Swan Hunter NHB concert in Newcastle, I think it was in 1993, a master class for TV, I think it was in 99, and that Alan Shearer pub opening in 2005. And in between, there was the Mk and friends in 2002 where MK gathered the NHB without Bicknell and DS without Alan...
So he didn't called AC in 2002, or AC refused to play for whatever the reason but they played together for the Shearer pub three years later...
Could it be that he did not called AC in 2002 because that would have been a DS reunion then. I believe John Guy Chris and Danny also took the stage. With also AC on board one could easily get the idea that it would have been a full DS reunion. Perhaps that is something MK really would avoid at that ( and still) time????
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2018, 06:13:32 PM
I was there and I enjoyed a lot seeing Alan on stage for the first time. It was one of the legendary DS members I never saw playing live and he was absolutely brilliant.
It should had been all but they thought that fans enjoyed it so much that it was worth to continue, and they did, until Alan got tired of it as he wanted to play original songs, and left The Straits, that disappeared and turned into the DS experience.
Then Alan joined Phil (that was also in the first Straits concert) in the DS legends, probably because he promised Alan to work also in original material, and they did, as they ended releasing a full record of original material.
You can say whatever you want about AC but he pursued to do original stuff from the beginning, and in the end he did it.
I don't agree with the way he finally ended doing it, I don't like the concept of a tribute band of ex members, but their cd, I like it quite a lot, so I'm happy with the final result.
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2018, 06:15:40 PM
So enjoy hating Alan. I find it boring and stupid
that's exactly the problem here, you don't stand other people's opinions, stubborn as a mule they say in Spain
In the contrary, I totally respect your hate against Alan, and that you let it blur how you understand whatever Alan does or says.
However, even your 25 years reference was false, as I proved, I wonder how MK and AC relationship has been since DS ended. They had worked together at lest three times that I can remember, during the Swan Hunter NHB concert in Newcastle, I think it was in 1993, a master class for TV, I think it was in 99, and that Alan Shearer pub opening in 2005. And in between, there was the Mk and friends in 2002 where MK gathered the NHB without Bicknell and DS without Alan...
So he didn't called AC in 2002, or AC refused to play for whatever the reason but they played together for the Shearer pub three years later...
Could it be that he did not called AC in 2002 because that would have been a DS reunion then. I believe John Guy Chris and Danny also took the stage. With also AC on board one could easily get the idea that it would have been a full DS reunion. Perhaps that is something MK really would avoid at that ( and still) time????
John presence was enough to give the impression of a DS reunion anyway...
I heard that Alan wasn't interested in the music Mk was doing as a solo artist but can't remember where I heard that so I cannot say that was the reason.
Post by: Pottel on April 08, 2018, 07:57:19 PM
time to get back to business of discussing MK and anything related.
all offending posts and comments thereof will be deleted. no discussion.
asking all of you to focus again on what counts.
Post by: dmg on April 08, 2018, 08:11:26 PM
so i just banned Don70
time to get back to business of discussing MK and anything related.
all offending posts and comments thereof will be deleted. no discussion.
asking all of you to focus again on what counts.
You did a lot of people a big favour there. Well done! :clap
Post by: Pottel on April 08, 2018, 08:24:03 PM
now focus on da music pls...
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 08, 2018, 08:33:34 PM
so i just banned Don70
time to get back to business of discussing MK and anything related.
all offending posts and comments thereof will be deleted. no discussion.
asking all of you to focus again on what counts.
You did a lot of people a big favour there. Well done! :clap
so i just banned Don70
time to get back to business of discussing MK and anything related.
all offending posts and comments thereof will be deleted. no discussion.
asking all of you to focus again on what counts.
So much for freedom of speech, I guess? I've been lurking here for quite awhile and find it disturbing that you would choose to ban someone because they feel that certain members level of negativity have ruined their's and many others experiences. I will admit that Don70 was a trifle, shall we say, abrasive, and maybe a bit of a troll. However, he made some valid points and it's unfortunate that the moderators have chosen to foster a negative environment to the detriment of the fans who actually enjoy the fact that MK has left behind his arena rock guitar god days and evolved into a more sensitive celtic-folk singer/songwriter.
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 08, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
so i just banned Don70
time to get back to business of discussing MK and anything related.
all offending posts and comments thereof will be deleted. no discussion.
asking all of you to focus again on what counts.
You did a lot of people a big favour there. Well done! :clap
Really sad that someone has been banned for speaking out against the "negative nellies". Not exactly freedom of speech. I've been lurking here for years with no real desire to post but the recent events really made my blood boil. Moderators seem more interested in protecting the feelings of their friends than actually creating a proper fan forum.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 08, 2018, 08:44:49 PM
He was banned for continually breaking our rules in relation to insulting other members despite multiple warnings.so i just banned Don70
time to get back to business of discussing MK and anything related.
all offending posts and comments thereof will be deleted. no discussion.
asking all of you to focus again on what counts.
You did a lot of people a big favour there. Well done! :clap
Really sad that someone has been banned for speaking out against the "negative nellies". Not exactly freedom of speech. I've been lurking here for years with no real desire to post but the recent events really made my blood boil. Moderators seem more interested in protecting the feelings of their friends than actually creating a proper fan forum.
Not something we like to do but if people continually break the rules we are left with no other option.
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Post by: cannibals on April 08, 2018, 08:48:40 PM
There is still no word on who will induct DS into the Hall of Fame. With MK not there i think EC and Sting are not going to do that. Perhaps news on that this week.......
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 08, 2018, 08:49:37 PM
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 08, 2018, 08:53:53 PM
Can we PLEASE move on now!!!
There is still no word on who will induct DS into the Hall of Fame. With MK not there i think EC and Sting are not going to do that. Perhaps news on that this week.......
I don't think anyone will induct them. Mark Knopfler WAS Dire Straits. Alan Clark was a nice keyboardist as is Guy Fletcher. John Illsley was a solid, groovy bass player but Knopfler was the straw that stirred the drink.
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 08, 2018, 10:00:52 PM
Someone will induct the members that go to the ceremony.
You're probably right, but I doubt it will be anyone high profile without Knopfler there. Then again, I may be wrong.
Post by: dmg on April 08, 2018, 10:05:33 PM
I don't know where I stand on this. Many people have made good arguments for both sides. Probably my problem is that I'm not interested in the RnRHOF and the induction was of no interest to me to begin with. However, if DS has been inducted surely Mark should attend if only to be polite. Or if he attends and doesn't perform is that worse?
It's easy for AC to say he'd perform again (at every opportunity he gets) when he knows that Mark is not going!
And if TW isn't getting inducted then I really don't think AC or GF should either. Where do they stop and how did they determine these members?
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2018, 10:39:52 PM
Secondly, to go and accept the prize doesn't means you have to perform. Many bands didn't performed during the years and went to accept the prize.
Thirdly, it really doesn't matter if he is or not on speaking terms with David and Alan. To be polite is what it is. Many bands with members that don't talk to each other attended together just for respect to the fans.
Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 08, 2018, 10:53:26 PM
Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
I'm absolutely sure that's THE reason for these guys. Mark, I think, by not attending wants to bury any DS reunion speculations once and for all.
Post by: cannibals on April 08, 2018, 11:12:27 PM
Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
I'm absolutely sure that's THE reason for these guys. Mark, I think, by not attending wants to bury any DS reunion speculations once and for all.
I hope on his next tour MK will invite JI and his brother for a song or two in the Albert Hall :smack
Post by: quizzaciously on April 08, 2018, 11:26:24 PM
Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
I'm absolutely sure that's THE reason for these guys. Mark, I think, by not attending wants to bury any DS reunion speculations once and for all.
I hope on his next tour MK will invite JI and his brother for a song or two in the Albert Hall :smack
I think chances for this are as high as chances for Paul Simon to invite Art Garfunkel for a couple of songs on his farewell tour.
As much as it would be as desirable for fans, judging by the state of their relationships it's almost impossible unfortunately.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 08, 2018, 11:39:21 PM
That is surely much more likely as they have played together hundreds of times live since they split?Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
I'm absolutely sure that's THE reason for these guys. Mark, I think, by not attending wants to bury any DS reunion speculations once and for all.
I hope on his next tour MK will invite JI and his brother for a song or two in the Albert Hall :smack
I think chances for this are as high as chances for Paul Simon to invite Art Garfunkel for a couple of songs on his farewell tour.
As much as it would be as desirable for fans, judging by the state of their relationships it's almost impossible unfortunately.
MK and JI only 4 times, 16 years ago, MK and DK once (?) 36 years ago?
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Post by: quizzaciously on April 09, 2018, 12:05:31 AM
I think chances for this are as high as chances for Paul Simon to invite Art Garfunkel for a couple of songs on his farewell tour.
As much as it would be as desirable for fans, judging by the state of their relationships it's almost impossible unfortunately.
That is surely much more likely as they have played together hundreds of times live since they split?
MK and JI only 4 times, 16 years ago, MK and DK once (?) 36 years ago?
It's more likely indeed, although they're now [Simon & Garfunkel] really seems to be split forever, making strange and rude comments on each other (or rather from Garfunkel's side only, though), and moreover — struggling musically, again, more on Garfunkel's side of things. He's lost his voice and all and their 'last' reunion would be a disaster too big to just call it 'let's do it for one and final time'. I don't want that.
To me, the possibility of seeing old Mark together with old David, Alan, with all this 'grey hair' and stuff, this idea seems to me like something I would rather avoid seeng, because to me there's nothing worse than seeng an old musician who struggle to get his stuff together. It's like a boxer who stays in the ring for too long — you may believe in him, but you can't 'unsee' his endless struggling.
With that said, solo-wise both Paul Simon and Mark Knopfler are still going strong and I don't want to see them going back. What I meant was that I think Dire Straits in any lineup would struggle a great deal to get their stuff together and therefore it will be something I can't stand.
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 09, 2018, 12:47:56 AM
I agree with you that when you get a prize, it's polite to accept it, that's the first reason why I'm disappointed with this.
Secondly, to go and accept the prize doesn't means you have to perform. Many bands didn't performed during the years and went to accept the prize.
Thirdly, it really doesn't matter if he is or not on speaking terms with David and Alan. To be polite is what it is. Many bands with members that don't talk to each other attended together just for respect to the fans.
Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
"You can't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I'm a firm believer in this. None of us can possibly know what MK's reasons are. We can guess and make assumptions based on what the public record tells us, but at the end of the day we'll never truly know.
Post by: JF on April 09, 2018, 10:04:47 AM
I agree with you that when you get a prize, it's polite to accept it, that's the first reason why I'm disappointed with this.
Secondly, to go and accept the prize doesn't means you have to perform. Many bands didn't performed during the years and went to accept the prize.
Thirdly, it really doesn't matter if he is or not on speaking terms with David and Alan. To be polite is what it is. Many bands with members that don't talk to each other attended together just for respect to the fans.
Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
"You can't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I'm a firm believer in this. None of us can possibly know what MK's reasons are. We can guess and make assumptions based on what the public record tells us, but at the end of the day we'll never truly know.
yes and that's why it would be far more simple if he would make a statement. therefore, no more sepculations.
It's his behaviour that makes assumptions and imagination by the fans, he can stop that very easily, but he just don't :smack
Post by: quizzaciously on April 09, 2018, 10:13:05 AM
I agree with you that when you get a prize, it's polite to accept it, that's the first reason why I'm disappointed with this.
Secondly, to go and accept the prize doesn't means you have to perform. Many bands didn't performed during the years and went to accept the prize.
Thirdly, it really doesn't matter if he is or not on speaking terms with David and Alan. To be polite is what it is. Many bands with members that don't talk to each other attended together just for respect to the fans.
Fourth, the own Guy said this was a prize for the fans. So, if it was a prize for the fans, show how it is a prize for the fans. Is this why John, Alan and Guy are going? If it's the reason, thank you to them.
"You can't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I'm a firm believer in this. None of us can possibly know what MK's reasons are. We can guess and make assumptions based on what the public record tells us, but at the end of the day we'll never truly know.
yes and that's why it would be far more simple if he would make a statement. therefore, no more sepculations.
It's his behaviour that makes assumptions and imagination by the fans, he can stop that very easily, but he just don't :smack
Bob Dylan loves that shoes quote :D
I'm not trying to get into anybody's shoes, I'm trying to get a picture from observing things and people. Mark, as an extremely successful human being is extremely interesting for observing and learning from and when he does things like ignoring awards or ignoring his own brother, you try your best analysing that. It's pity we can't have an answer, but collectively, I think we can come pretty close. That's why this very topic exist and has already yielded 78 pages of discussion! :wave
Post by: cannibals on April 09, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
http://wror.com/2018/04/09/poll-song-want-dire-straits-perform-rock-hall-induction/#/questions
Post by: primi on April 09, 2018, 03:03:12 PM
What does that mean if anybody knows?
Post by: quizzaciously on April 09, 2018, 03:11:52 PM
"Fifteen years after first being eligible for induction"
What does that mean if anybody knows?
That they first were an inductees back in 2003. Which is funny, because they've not made it to the RRHOF, but now "OMG we want a reunion!".
Post by: rmarques821 on April 09, 2018, 03:13:16 PM
"Fifteen years after first being eligible for induction"Bands can only be inducted in the HOF after 25 years of career. Dire Straits started in '78 which means that in 2003 they could be inducted.
What does that mean if anybody knows?
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Post by: quizzaciously on April 09, 2018, 03:35:11 PM
"Fifteen years after first being eligible for induction"Bands can only be inducted in the HOF after 25 years of career. Dire Straits started in '78 which means that in 2003 they could be inducted.
What does that mean if anybody knows?
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Thanks for explaining this. That means that MK solo is going to be eligible only after 2020-2021! I think he just wait for that to happen lol.
Post by: herlock on April 09, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
Do you mean: 25 years after the start of the career ? Because "25 years of career" is a show-stopper for DS (17 years of career at best)."Fifteen years after first being eligible for induction"Bands can only be inducted in the HOF after 25 years of career. Dire Straits started in '78 which means that in 2003 they could be inducted.
What does that mean if anybody knows?
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Post by: allen on April 09, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Post by: vancip on April 09, 2018, 05:48:43 PM
Thanks for explaining this. That means that MK solo is going to be eligible only after 2020-2021! I think he just wait for that to happen lol.
Local Hero, Cal and Comfort & Joy OST were released in 80s' . Maybe MK is just upset because he thinks it's already late for RHOF induction as solo artist ;D (just kidding)
Post by: cannibals on April 10, 2018, 12:19:16 AM
Post by: Jules on April 10, 2018, 09:20:37 AM
https://wncx.radio.com/blogs/vic-gideon/mark-knopfler-requests-bob-dylan-or-eric-clapton-induct-dire-straits
Another "journalist" with a wild imagination.
Post by: Jules on April 10, 2018, 09:21:52 AM
I'm OK with no statement from Damage Management or MK himself right now. I'm just thinking abou the future interview of new album/tour, they may ask MK why he chose not to attend.
Damage Management closed in 2000, I think. I'm sure MK will be asked about it, and I guess he's going to answer he was busy finishing his album and working in the musical.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 10, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
We all knew they weren't going to perform and that it was a joke. Imo it was also an attack to MK.
Moreover I have seen an infinite number of April 1st jokes for the last 20 years on the internet and they were all accompanied by a clear date which lets anyone clearly understand it's a joke.
This joke not only had no date but it was out well before April 1st and it was edited/changed with new words
well after April 1st, so how he can claim it's an April 1st joke is a total mistery.
(https://s7.postimg.org/utqk4w96j/clark.jpg)
Post by: Jules on April 10, 2018, 02:19:33 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 10, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
Anybody heard this interview with MK on radio WNCX????
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2018/0410/953457-dire-straits-and-those-possible-hall-of-fame-no-shows/
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 10, 2018, 09:50:22 PM
Both Mark and David Knopfler have individually expressed that they probably will not be there, David through a Facebook comment and Mark in a recent interview with radio station WNCX. Mark Knopfler declared his wish that Bob Dylan or Eric Clapton would induct the band, but no presenters for Dire Straits have been announced as yet, according to Stereogum.Fake news?
Anybody heard this interview with MK on radio WNCX????
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2018/0410/953457-dire-straits-and-those-possible-hall-of-fame-no-shows/
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Post by: border_reiver on April 11, 2018, 10:44:26 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on April 11, 2018, 11:11:42 AM
Searching through the website of the radio station leads to a few articles but none that actually appears to have been made out of an actual interview.
To be honest I've found a lot of "telephone" interviews there, the most recent one is the one with Gary Brooker, so they seem to be in contact with artists. I won't be surprised if they got Mark's comment on the ceremony, especially because it doesn't feel strange. Nothing wrong with wishing for Bob Dylan or Eric Clapton to induct Dire Straits, in fact I'd only requested Bob Dylan in this case and I really hope he will do it. DS deserves that.
Post by: Trawlerman on April 11, 2018, 01:11:28 PM
My guess is MK didn't wish anything. Why would he wish something like that when he doesn't even bother attending ? Doesn't make any sense.
Post by: border_reiver on April 11, 2018, 03:18:01 PM
A video presentation for a video presentation.
(My apologies if someone already made the joke. There are only 80 pages to keep track of)
Post by: Pottel on April 12, 2018, 06:38:19 AM
You have to admit that it would be funny if they chose Dylan to induct DS and then have him not showing up. Too. :)That would be totally hilarious
A video presentation for a video presentation.
(My apologies if someone already made the joke. There are only 80 pages to keep track of)
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Post by: dmg on April 12, 2018, 11:36:15 AM
You have to admit that it would be funny if they chose Dylan to induct DS and then have him not showing up. Too. :)
A video presentation for a video presentation.
(My apologies if someone already made the joke. There are only 80 pages to keep track of)
Or perhaps Bob presenting to Mark in CGI? The younger generation are so used to it in films these days that they could both appear to be there at the ceremony together!
Post by: Millionaire Blues on April 12, 2018, 12:07:00 PM
Cheers,
Mark
Post by: Jules on April 12, 2018, 12:23:30 PM
Does anyone know if we can watch this in the UK?
Cheers,
Mark
Watch what?
Post by: Millionaire Blues on April 12, 2018, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 12, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
Does anyone know if we can watch this in the UK?
Cheers,
Mark
I believe you can watch it on HBO somewhere in may...
Post by: Millionaire Blues on April 12, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
;D
Post by: allen on April 12, 2018, 12:56:29 PM
Post by: allen on April 12, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
Post by: allen on April 12, 2018, 12:58:21 PM
Thanks!!
;D
Watch the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony, May 5 only on HBO.
Post by: Jules on April 12, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
https://www.rockhall.com/induction-ceremony-red-carpet-live-stream
Apparently, the channel that will broadcast it is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOA9pJexYJ4&feature=youtu.be
That images won't be in the HBO broadcast so, if interested in seeing Guy, Alan and John walking by the red carpet as they go into the hall, that's your chance.
And by the way, if someone manage to capture that video, the rest would watch it later ;)
Post by: Jules on April 12, 2018, 05:50:48 PM
Dire Straits co-founder John Illsley isn't planning to let the absence of frontman Mark Knopfler and other band members sour his time at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions this week in Cleveland.
"I'm excited, yes. We're going to have a good time," Illsley tell Billboard just before he and keyboardist Guy Fletcher boarded a flight to the U.S. on Thursday morning (Apr. 12). "I mean, some people play and some people don't. Some people turn up and some people don't, it seems. We've got a combination of all that."
Illsley did reveal that keyboardist Alan Clark's web site post that he, Illsley and Fletcher would perform "an unplugged version of 'Telegraph Road'" was not, in fact, true. "That's not going to happen," Illsley said. "That's Alan having a bit of fun. I was hoping people weren't going to take it too seriously. I wouldn't perform without Mark there, so it's as simple as that, really. If Mark's not there, there's no point." Dire Straits has been dormant since 1992, after touring to promote its 1991 album On Every Street.
So why is Knopfler -- whose brother and fellow guitarist David Knopfler also isn't coming -- a no-show? "He just didn't feel like coming, it's as simple as that," says Illsley, who co-owns the Dire Straits band name with Knopfler. "It just didn't appeal to him, and I appealed to him on several occasions. I said, 'Look, I'd love you to get your head around this.' He said, 'Look, I just can't do it, John. I'm really sorry. It's a great honor for us and all the rest of it, and I just can't get my head around it,' so I've just got to respect it. He's got his reasons, which he really doesn't want to share with me which is unusual because we've shared most things over the years."
Illsley adds that a Dire Straits performance during Saturday's (Apr. 14) ceremony "would've been quite complicated. When you look at the structure of the band over the last 40 years it's been quite a mixed bag of musicians and people involved, and just trying to sort that out and make sense of it... (Knopfler) said, 'Look, I just can't deal with it. I don't really want to deal with it.' So I said, 'OK, I'll go over, accept the award on your behalf and all the rest of the guys that aren't there and that'll be it. So that's what's happening."
Illsley noted that he does have "room in the case" to bring Knopfler's induction trophy back to England. He's also starting to accumulate items for the Rock Hall to exhibit in Cleveland, and he plans to make the best of the induction weekend.
"I'm very proud of being inducted," he says. "I think it's fantastic for the band. I think it's fantastic for all the musicians who have worked with us over the years, who have been part of the journey... and all the producers and engineers we worked with over the years. And I think it's wonderful for all the people who bought the music and came to see the concerts and stuck with the band all these years. That to me is the most important side of it, so that's what I would like to acknowledge when I get there is the fans. They make everything happen."
Post by: primi on April 12, 2018, 06:06:22 PM
"And I think it's wonderful for all the people who bought the music and came to see the concerts and stuck with the band all these years. That to me is the most important side of it, so that's what I would like to acknowledge when I get there is the fans. They make everything happen."
That's it. How hard could it be for Mark to just post this same few sentences on his official solo web page in the "news" section? Big :thumbsup for John and big :thumbsdown for Mark.
Post by: Jules on April 12, 2018, 07:07:54 PM
That's why I posted in Guy's forum a big thank you to him, Alan and John to honour the fans.
Mark is Mark (previously was Bob is Bob)
Post by: rmarques821 on April 12, 2018, 07:20:10 PM
Looking forward to the new album!
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Post by: nando_5994 on April 12, 2018, 07:26:26 PM
Alchemy DVD sold a lot in Portugal, for example, theres market for it.
I simple dont get it.
Post by: JF on April 12, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
We all have things in our lives that we just don't want to deal with for various reasons. It seems this is happening with Mark and we have to respect it.
yes of course, but why didn't he just say it ? his silence sounds like a bit of contempt to me
yes Bob is Bob, but in the end, at least, he wrote something for the nobel induction
Post by: Trawlerman on April 12, 2018, 08:13:40 PM
We all have things in our lives that we just don't want to deal with for various reasons. It seems this is happening with Mark and we have to respect it.
yes of course, but why didn't he just say it ? his silence sounds like a bit of contempt to me
yes Bob is Bob, but in the end, at least, he wrote something for the nobel induction
Well maybe Mark wrote something too.
Just be patient
Post by: border_reiver on April 12, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
John have my full respect for this! :thumbsup
Post by: Stanko on April 12, 2018, 09:03:31 PM
I don't know if he actually meant everything he said but I tend to think that he did and I respect him for that.:thumbsup
Post by: PensaGhost on April 12, 2018, 09:06:45 PM
Post by: Stanko on April 12, 2018, 09:08:37 PM
MK lives in a planet of his own, with all the pros and the cons:thumbsup
as we all do!
Post by: PensaGhost on April 12, 2018, 09:43:21 PM
Mark shouldn`t treat the brand and band Dire Straits like this. I love DS, i love MK work. i don´t get why he cant do his solo career and honor is previous work. That work made it possible for him to be where he is. The fans made it possible, and the fans are still here. I will never get why there isnt a collectors edition from OES TOUR, either on cd, dvd, mp3, whatever. Planet of New Orleans, When it comes to you, Think I Love You, Two Young Lovers, Telegraph Road, Sultans, TOL, Portobello, great versions, great performances in music history. He could do the both, his actual work and release gems from musical history.
Alchemy DVD sold a lot in Portugal, for example, theres market for it.
I simple dont get it.
yes it's a musical murder that those songs have never been available
Post by: ds1984 on April 12, 2018, 10:13:21 PM
MK lives in a planet of his own, with all the pros and the cons:thumbsup
as we all do!
No geniuses are sometime on exo planet
Post by: dmg on April 12, 2018, 11:30:33 PM
I don't know if he actually meant everything he said but I tend to think that he did and I respect him for that.
"And I think it's wonderful for all the people who bought the music and came to see the concerts and stuck with the band all these years. That to me is the most important side of it, so that's what I would like to acknowledge when I get there is the fans. They make everything happen."
That's it. How hard could it be for Mark to just post this same few sentences on his official solo web page in the "news" section? Big :thumbsup for John and big :thumbsdown for Mark.
Well said.
Reading between the lines I feel Mark was just too lazy to pick up the phone and speak to people. I also think that he felt compelled to put on a performance and he doesn't like performing live televised shows to the public these days, especially when other artists are present. The last big televised show was Monserrat back in '97, since then just a few intimate showcases and TV shows.
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 13, 2018, 03:35:00 AM
I don't know if he actually meant everything he said but I tend to think that he did and I respect him for that.
"And I think it's wonderful for all the people who bought the music and came to see the concerts and stuck with the band all these years. That to me is the most important side of it, so that's what I would like to acknowledge when I get there is the fans. They make everything happen."
That's it. How hard could it be for Mark to just post this same few sentences on his official solo web page in the "news" section? Big :thumbsup for John and big :thumbsdown for Mark.
Well said.
Reading between the lines I feel Mark was just too lazy to pick up the phone and speak to people. I also think that he felt compelled to put on a performance and he doesn't like performing live televised shows to the public these days, especially when other artists are present. The last big televised show was Monserrat back in '97, since then just a few intimate showcases and TV shows.
I agree about him not wanting to play on big television shows anymore. I thought I remember reading somewhere that the pressure of performing for massive audiences, especially on the Brothers In Arms tour, really got to him after awhile. Success of that magnitude really is a double edged sword.
Although, I highly doubt he was too lazy to pick up the phone.
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 13, 2018, 03:37:23 AM
The Hall Of Fame will broadcast live on saturday the red carpet of the ceremony
https://www.rockhall.com/induction-ceremony-red-carpet-live-stream
Apparently, the channel that will broadcast it is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOA9pJexYJ4&feature=youtu.be
That images won't be in the HBO broadcast so, if interested in seeing Guy, Alan and John walking by the red carpet as they go into the
hall, that's your chance.
And by the way, if someone manage to capture that video, the rest would watch it later ;)
I wonder if Guy will grace us with a RRHOF diary entry.
Post by: dmg on April 13, 2018, 01:24:02 PM
The Hall Of Fame will broadcast live on saturday the red carpet of the ceremony
https://www.rockhall.com/induction-ceremony-red-carpet-live-stream
Apparently, the channel that will broadcast it is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOA9pJexYJ4&feature=youtu.be
That images won't be in the HBO broadcast so, if interested in seeing Guy, Alan and John walking by the red carpet as they go into the
hall, that's your chance.
And by the way, if someone manage to capture that video, the rest would watch it later ;)
I wonder if Guy will grace us with a RRHOF diary entry.
It would certainly be nice to hear from him. He's been rather tight lipped on the whole thing. Anything newsworthy has come from John.
Of course Guy is coy and knows what side his bread is buttered. He has done for many years which is why he has lasted where others have fallen.
Post by: primi on April 13, 2018, 06:35:26 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on April 13, 2018, 07:23:25 PM
I suppose no forum member is going then? I remember one was trying hard but not sure what came of it?
Our Lis is attending :)
Post by: primi on April 13, 2018, 07:27:34 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 13, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VjZW_wymmJg
Post by: Dutchessy on April 13, 2018, 08:20:54 PM
Is she equipped for live reporting any why not? ;)
I don't think she is live reporting. And since they (DS) are not performing there is not much to report i guess.
Post by: Dutchessy on April 13, 2018, 08:22:37 PM
Do not want to start a new topic on this but anybody know what and when this was??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VjZW_wymmJg
Hay on wye festival 2007. The show is on Youtube i think
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 13, 2018, 08:49:02 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 13, 2018, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: JF on April 13, 2018, 09:27:11 PM
https://twitter.com/John_Illsley/status/984840407325597697 (https://twitter.com/John_Illsley/status/984840407325597697)
Post by: Dutchessy on April 13, 2018, 09:30:21 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 13, 2018, 10:16:18 PM
I hope Guy will also post a small diary about the induction on his website.
Just a few foto's with some notes would be fine :lol
Post by: herlock on April 13, 2018, 10:54:23 PM
Only reproach I can think of is his atrocious dancing skills. Almost spoils watching TR on Alchemy ;)
The world would be a much better and simpler place, would all humans be like John.
Post by: BrianT on April 13, 2018, 11:30:55 PM
Brian
Post by: JF on April 13, 2018, 11:56:37 PM
Only reproach I can think of is his atrocious dancing skills. Almost spoils watching TR on Alchemy ;)I like his "dancing legs" on once upon a time in the west, it makes me smile because it shows that he is enjoying to be here, more than Mark... ::)
Post by: Jules on April 14, 2018, 08:33:15 AM
One of the times I saw him at the RAH corridor and asked him for a photo with my friends, he apologized as he was with some relatives and the next time he walked by where we were, we didn't want to bother him again but he saw us, stopped and say "sorry guys, do you still want that photo?"
It was ever funnier as Danny Cummings suddenly appeared doing funny jumps, unfortunately Danny didn't manage to be in the picture but it was the funniest moment with these great guys...
John was always the glue that made DS be together. And it's not the first time he is the DS spoke person, he did many interviews in the name of the band during the OES tour.
Post by: Jules on April 14, 2018, 08:36:32 AM
The Hall Of Fame will broadcast live on saturday the red carpet of the ceremony
https://www.rockhall.com/induction-ceremony-red-carpet-live-stream
Apparently, the channel that will broadcast it is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOA9pJexYJ4&feature=youtu.be
That images won't be in the HBO broadcast so, if interested in seeing Guy, Alan and John walking by the red carpet as they go into the hall, that's your chance.
And by the way, if someone manage to capture that video, the rest would watch it later ;)
By the way, what time would be the red carpet and ceremony in Europe? I'll be in a Roger Waters concert in Barcelona tonight :)
Post by: Kris-b on April 14, 2018, 10:20:30 AM
Post by: cannibals on April 14, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
No word on who will induct DS so thats still a secret :hmm
Post by: dmg on April 14, 2018, 02:17:49 PM
http://sandhillspampress.com/abc_classicr/bon-jovi-moody-blues-cars-dire-straits-amp-more-to-be-inducted-into-rock-hall-tonight-abcid36057300/
No word on who will induct DS so thats still a secret :hmm
If the list of guests is complete it can surely only be Flowers. ???
Post by: allen on April 14, 2018, 02:53:16 PM
http://sandhillspampress.com/abc_classicr/bon-jovi-moody-blues-cars-dire-straits-amp-more-to-be-inducted-into-rock-hall-tonight-abcid36057300/
No word on who will induct DS so thats still a secret :hmm
If the list of guests is complete it can surely only be Flowers. ???
It's the complete list:
(https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3174.0;attach=2825;image)
Post by: nando_5994 on April 14, 2018, 05:34:46 PM
Interviews with mark were almost impossible. John and Ed were the guys who talked with the press .
Post by: Dutchessy on April 14, 2018, 07:22:09 PM
Post by: dmg on April 14, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Pottel on April 14, 2018, 08:47:16 PM
Enjoy that amigo. Taping?The Hall Of Fame will broadcast live on saturday the red carpet of the ceremony
https://www.rockhall.com/induction-ceremony-red-carpet-live-stream
Apparently, the channel that will broadcast it is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOA9pJexYJ4&feature=youtu.be
That images won't be in the HBO broadcast so, if interested in seeing Guy, Alan and John walking by the red carpet as they go into the hall, that's your chance.
And by the way, if someone manage to capture that video, the rest would watch it later ;)
By the way, what time would be the red carpet and ceremony in Europe? I'll be in a Roger Waters concert in Barcelona tonight :)
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Post by: Pottel on April 14, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
I would put my money on Steve van zandthttp://sandhillspampress.com/abc_classicr/bon-jovi-moody-blues-cars-dire-straits-amp-more-to-be-inducted-into-rock-hall-tonight-abcid36057300/
No word on who will induct DS so thats still a secret :hmm
If the list of guests is complete it can surely only be Flowers. ???
It's the complete list:
(https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3174.0;attach=2825;image)
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Post by: JF on April 14, 2018, 09:27:41 PM
on facebook, I started a "game" I guess you know : post your 10 favorite albums, 1 per day, just the record sleeve, no explanation needed, an then you ask a friend to do the same, etc...
When I made my list, I thought to put Alchemy the last day (day 10), wednesday 18, to finish my list with my all time fav album
But, Elian Poupard (I guess Poupystar right ?) reminded me of the induction, so I chose to post Alchemy today. And guess who liked the post ? Hal Lindes !
I just said him that it was my all time fav album and that I love his work on it, and he replied to me.
That made my day ! I am disapointed by Mark's behaviour for not going to the induction, but instead, I had briefly "talked" to the guitarist featuring on Alchemy, the album I am listening for 30 years, and tht represent Ds at thie best imho.
That is surely the best induction feedback I would have hoped !
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 14, 2018, 09:59:11 PM
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Post by: Stanko on April 14, 2018, 10:32:25 PM
Looks like he's enjoying having that tag around his neck. :lol:D
i can understand his expression ;D
i would not wear it for millions, get chipped for "glory", no thanks!
Post by: quizzaciously on April 14, 2018, 11:21:15 PM
I suppose no forum member is going then? I remember one was trying hard but not sure what came of it?
Our Lis is attending :)
Are you serious? Never underestimate the power of AMIT... We have our people on the very forefront of things! :clap
Post by: diremark86 on April 15, 2018, 12:27:21 AM
Post by: diremark86 on April 15, 2018, 12:47:38 AM
Post by: DS on April 15, 2018, 12:48:32 AM
Post by: diremark86 on April 15, 2018, 12:50:00 AM
No mic to Alan :lol
No comments seem to be a theme.... Guy was keeping his bread buttered.
Post by: Banjo99uk on April 15, 2018, 12:51:25 AM
Post by: diremark86 on April 15, 2018, 12:51:41 AM
Post by: DS on April 15, 2018, 12:52:48 AM
No comments seem to be a theme.... Guy was keeping his bread buttered.
Anyway, I liked how they insisted on giving much of the reason for success to "having a great song". Very modest :)
Post by: diremark86 on April 15, 2018, 12:58:47 AM
No comments seem to be a theme.... Guy was keeping his bread buttered.
Anyway, I liked how they insisted on giving much of the reason for success to "having a great song". Very modest :)
I dont know if “they” did. Guy did.
Post by: DS on April 15, 2018, 01:02:13 AM
Anyway, I liked how they insisted on giving much of the reason for success to "having a great song". Very modest :)
I dont know if “they” did. Guy did.
Also John ;) Alan tried to say something but didn't have the mic
Post by: diremark86 on April 15, 2018, 01:04:31 AM
Anyway, I liked how they insisted on giving much of the reason for success to "having a great song". Very modest :)
I dont know if “they” did. Guy did.
Also John ;) Alan tried to say something but didn't have the mic
John played the fence. Guy was the only one that seemed to go out of his way to be loyal to MK.
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 15, 2018, 05:20:55 AM
Anyway, I liked how they insisted on giving much of the reason for success to "having a great song". Very modest :)
I dont know if “they” did. Guy did.
Also John ;) Alan tried to say something but didn't have the mic
John played the fence. Guy was the only one that seemed to go out of his way to be loyal to MK.
Just watched their backstage interview on youtube. Apparently, they inducted themselves. At least, that's what I gathered from what JI said.
Post by: kaleo74 on April 15, 2018, 06:32:52 AM
Thanks Mark for not attending
https://youtu.be/Y8qYvnZtjAk
Post by: allen on April 15, 2018, 08:09:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fM3kUPNdd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fM3kUPNdd0)
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 15, 2018, 08:25:48 AM
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Post by: schmonka on April 15, 2018, 08:34:42 AM
Post by: knopfler1 on April 15, 2018, 08:38:55 AM
Post by: border_reiver on April 15, 2018, 08:46:49 AM
Yikes.
And in other news...
"Former Bon Jovi members Richie Sambora and Alec John Such joined current members, including Jon Bon Jovi, onstage to mark the band’s induction into the prestigious club. They performed crowd favourites Livin’ on a Prayer, You Give Love a Bad Name and It’s My Life."
Post by: allen on April 15, 2018, 08:54:17 AM
Not even a video presentation? Not even something directly from MK?
Yikes.
And in other news...
"Former Bon Jovi members Richie Sambora and Alec John Such joined current members, including Jon Bon Jovi, onstage to mark the band’s induction into the prestigious club. They performed crowd favourites Livin’ on a Prayer, You Give Love a Bad Name and It’s My Life."
I guess there was a video presentation, but not filmed in that video. Only the speech part was filmed in the video.
Post by: superval99 on April 15, 2018, 09:00:34 AM
Post by: allen on April 15, 2018, 09:01:40 AM
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Post by: herlock on April 15, 2018, 09:54:39 AM
Grey hair, no fenders
Old ghosts barely mentionned today
One original member...
Well, John did what he could, he was fine.
Didn't he forget Ed Bicknel in his thanks list ? Not sure...
Post by: schmonka on April 15, 2018, 10:02:24 AM
On the road again to Cleveland
Grey hair, no fenders
Old ghosts barely mentionned today
One original member...
Well, John did what he could, he was fine.
Didn't he forget Ed Bicknel in his thanks list ? Not sure...
Yep, pretty sure Ed got a mention
Post by: Jules on April 15, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
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Post by: Jules on April 15, 2018, 10:59:07 AM
Post by: Jules on April 15, 2018, 10:59:37 AM
John did well but the whole thing is a bit odd. Inducting themselves?!
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Post by: lfblaauw on April 15, 2018, 11:12:10 AM
Yep, pretty sure Ed got a mention
Not only Ed, but also Paul Cummins. Also all the producers, like Muff Winwood, Jimmy Iovine, Neil Dorfsman etc. His list of people to thank seemed pretty complete! John did a good job.
Post by: border_reiver on April 15, 2018, 11:22:35 AM
But joking aside John really rose to the occasion. He did very well.
So last night the background vocals and bass guitar of Dire Straits turned out to be more Dire Straits than the voice and guitar of said band.
It's disappointing because I felt for so many years that it was unfair that they never would induct DS meanwhile lesser names were. And it became this kind of standard joke. And suddenly DS were chosen to be inducted and then all we got was this failed souffle.
Luckily people will hopefully remember the grand active years. But for some die hard fans this will be an ugly mark on the corner of an otherwise beautiful painting.
Time to move on.
Post by: JF on April 15, 2018, 11:27:27 AM
very very disapointed by Mark
when I knew in december that DS would be inducted I was so so happy, and had great expectations
even only a little speech from Mark, even if they did not perform, only a little hug between them and I would have be happy
But now I am sad
is it really that image that the whole world will keep in mind from Dire Straits ? :'(
and now when I discuss on french forums or FB and I want to say how DS was great....ouch ! What can I say now with this ?!!
When someone says to me that Bon Jovi deserved far more to be inducted that DS...well I have no more arguments after this....
sad, very sad
but thanks John and Hal to have illuminating my day :clap :wave
Post by: Stanko on April 15, 2018, 11:28:31 AM
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Post by: dmg on April 15, 2018, 11:47:35 AM
Apart from Mark not being there, David and Pick weren't there either, but they were barely mentioned! ::)
I thought about them too. I can understand David not going. In fact I'm wondering if there was a quick phonecall and they agreed with each other not to attend, it being unfair for one brother to go. However I wonder why Pick missed out...
Big John handled the thing very well though and always has been better with the media. Mark would've just stuttered and mumbled his way through it all. Unless he's going through the usual clichés that's what happens. It's not his fault, he's just not good at that sort of thing.
The whole thing doesn't bother me in the slightest anyway. The whole thing's a load of rubbish and looking at the videos appears tasteless and trashy so Mark was quite right not to show.
P.S. Was that a cardboard cutout of Alan they had with them?
Post by: superval99 on April 15, 2018, 11:51:43 AM
Apart from Mark not being there, David and Pick weren't there either, but they were barely mentioned! ::)
I thought about them too. I can understand David not going. In fact I'm wondering if there was a quick phonecall and they agreed with each other not to attend, it being unfair for one brother to go. However I wonder why Pick missed out...
Big John handled the thing very well though and always has been better with the media. Mark would've just stuttered and mumbled his way through it all. Unless he's going through the usual clichés that's what happens. It's not his fault, he's just not good at that sort of thing.
The whole thing doesn't bother me in the slightest anyway. The whole thing's a load of rubbish and looking at the videos appears tasteless and trashy so Mark was quite right not to show.
P.S. Was that a cardboard cutout of Alan they had with them?
Agree, in fact Mark would have hated every minute of it! It's best he didn't attend, but I'm a bit disappointed too. Anyway, John did a great job! :clap
Post by: border_reiver on April 15, 2018, 11:52:06 AM
Ok I would have been nice to have MK here, but let's not take this ceremony (30 years overdue) too seriously...
Not the ceremony itself but the handling and missed out opportunity of acknowledging or communicating.
Post by: superval99 on April 15, 2018, 11:59:56 AM
On a lighter note - there were three ladies with the boys on the red carpet, who was with whom? :think I'll have a guess that the tall one is John's wife, the short blonde one is Alan's wife and the lady with the grey hair is Guy's wife! ;)
Post by: JF on April 15, 2018, 12:30:46 PM
Ok I would have been nice to have MK here, but let's not take this ceremony (30 years overdue) too seriously...
Not the ceremony itself but the handling and missed out opportunity of acknowledging or communicating.
you know, it's your favourite band for 30 years. Yo listen to it every day. It means more than music to you. it's milestones in your life, etc..
and one day, there is an occasion to celebrate this. Only a big smile, a nice thanks and that's all ...and then.....it ends up with this mascarade :smack
Post by: dmg on April 15, 2018, 12:37:29 PM
Ok I would have been nice to have MK here, but let's not take this ceremony (30 years overdue) too seriously...
Not the ceremony itself but the handling and missed out opportunity of acknowledging or communicating.
you know, it's your favourite band for 30 years. Yo listen to it every day. It means more than music to you. it's milestones in your life, etc..
and one day, there is an occasion to celebrate this. Only a big smile, a nice thanks and that's all ...and then.....it ends up with this mascarade :smack
I wouldn't bother too much about it. I suppose it all depends on how much the RnRHOF means to you, but it will all die down pretty soon and the list of no-shows over the years is pretty impressive if that's any consolation.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/a-history-of-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-no-shows-20120412
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 15, 2018, 02:15:07 PM
Sex Pistols summed it up really.
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Post by: allen on April 15, 2018, 03:03:19 PM
Axl Rose isn't alone: Paul McCartney, David Bowie and more rockers missed their inductions
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/a-history-of-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-no-shows-20120412
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reunions That Actually Happened
Relive three decades of Rock Hall reunions, from Cream to Talking Heads
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/26-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-reunions-that-actually-happened-20140407/1-simon-garfunkel-1990-0291961
Post by: PensaGhost on April 15, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
John did well but the whole thing is a bit odd. Inducting themselves?!
Probably it was a consequence of no performance and no mk at all
Post by: Marijo58 on April 15, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
Yes Mr Mark Knopfler doesn't want to say anything about that. I guess that we have to be satisfied with what JI GF and AC said !!!It would had been so easy to publish a small note like "thank you very much for this award, I'm busy working on several projects so I wouldn't be able to attend"Possibly, lol
It would had been so easy...
But Mark is Mark. I guess from who he learn it... From his Bobness?
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Post by: cannibals on April 15, 2018, 08:41:49 PM
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/rock-hall-2018-dire-straits-induction-weird-beautiful-mess.html
Post by: Stanko on April 15, 2018, 09:15:37 PM
:thumbsupApart from Mark not being there, David and Pick weren't there either, but they were barely mentioned! ::)
I thought about them too. I can understand David not going. In fact I'm wondering if there was a quick phonecall and they agreed with each other not to attend, it being unfair for one brother to go. However I wonder why Pick missed out...
Big John handled the thing very well though and always has been better with the media. Mark would've just stuttered and mumbled his way through it all. Unless he's going through the usual clichés that's what happens. It's not his fault, he's just not good at that sort of thing.
The whole thing doesn't bother me in the slightest anyway. The whole thing's a load of rubbish and looking at the videos appears tasteless and trashy so Mark was quite right not to show.
P.S. Was that a cardboard cutout of Alan they had with them?
Agree, in fact Mark would have hated every minute of it! It's best he didn't attend, but I'm a bit disappointed too. Anyway, John did a great job! :clap
yes, except i'm not disappointed at all.
sex.
Post by: dmg on April 15, 2018, 10:42:00 PM
Dire Straits’ Rock Hall Induction Was a Weirdly Beautiful Mess:
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/rock-hall-2018-dire-straits-induction-weird-beautiful-mess.html
I thought that John having to induct the band was a bit much. If people think Mark snubbed the RnRHOF then what they did to DS and us, the fans is even worse.
Post by: Robson on April 15, 2018, 11:05:40 PM
Post by: schmonka on April 15, 2018, 11:17:55 PM
Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
I think we have all seen behaviour from MK that makes us question how much he likes the people who got him where he is.....
Post by: Robson on April 15, 2018, 11:25:45 PM
Post by: JF on April 16, 2018, 12:41:19 AM
Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
I think we have all seen behaviour from MK that makes us question how much he likes the people who got him where he is.....
yes 100% agree, and this RnRHof is not the only and first thing that shows that MK is really far far from his fanbase imho
Post by: herlock on April 16, 2018, 12:51:12 AM
As John put it nicely: "None of this would have happened without MK". MK is the one who got him where he is. Every other person involved contributed with talent, but still benefited from Mark's genius abilities as a songwriter and as a guitarist. He does not owe us s**t. If he has personal reasons not to go that he does not want to disclose, let's respect that. Looking at how tasteless and way to late this ceremony was, he might be right ! He changed my life with the albums and the shows, and I am grateful that he is still doing that. His absence at RRHOF will take nothing out of that. I would have been happy to see him hug the other members and play.... Only if I had been sure they he was happy to do it. He gives us sincerity, not an hypocritical half-hearted reunion. He has always thanked everybody in his career. Watch Alchemy just before "Going Home", how he humbly says "Thanks for giving us a good time"; watch Wembley 85, how shy he is with Hank, saying that he still wishes he could make his guitar sound like "the man himself" does; watch Sydney 86, how he thanks everyone, the band, the Roadies... He does not spit on DS, last year he had been with John to collect an award for the 40 years of the group.Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
I think we have all seen behaviour from MK that makes us question how much he likes the people who got him where he is.....
Guys, he is no asshole, he is just being Mark.
Let's just move on, shall we ?
Post by: holaknopfler on April 16, 2018, 12:59:57 AM
As John put it nicely: "None of this would have happened without MK". MK is the one who got him where he is. Every other person involved contributed with talent, but still benefited from Mark's genius abilities as a songwriter and as a guitarist. He does not owe us s**t. If he has personal reasons not to go that he does not want to disclose, let's respect that. Looking at how tasteless and way to late this ceremony was, he might be right ! He changed my life with the albums and the shows, and I am grateful that he is still doing that. His absence at RRHOF will take nothing out of that. I would have been happy to see him hug the other members and play.... Only if I had been sure they he was happy to do it. He gives us sincerity, not an hypocritical half-hearted reunion. He has always thanked everybody in his career. Watch Alchemy just before "Going Home", how he humbly says "Thanks for giving us a good time"; watch Wembley 85, how shy he is with Hank, saying that he still wishes he could make his guitar sound like "the man himself" does; watch Sydney 86, how he thanks everyone, the band, the Roadies... He does not spit on DS, last year he had been with John to collect an award for the 40 years of the group.Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
I think we have all seen behaviour from MK that makes us question how much he likes the people who got him where he is.....
Guys, he is no asshole, he is just being Mark.
Let's just move on, shall we ?
I can not agree more!
Post by: Robson on April 16, 2018, 01:18:03 AM
As John put it nicely: "None of this would have happened without MK". MK is the one who got him where he is. Every other person involved contributed with talent, but still benefited from Mark's genius abilities as a songwriter and as a guitarist. He does not owe us s**t. If he has personal reasons not to go that he does not want to disclose, let's respect that. Looking at how tasteless and way to late this ceremony was, he might be right ! He changed my life with the albums and the shows, and I am grateful that he is still doing that. His absence at RRHOF will take nothing out of that. I would have been happy to see him hug the other members and play.... Only if I had been sure they he was happy to do it. He gives us sincerity, not an hypocritical half-hearted reunion. He has always thanked everybody in his career. Watch Alchemy just before "Going Home", how he humbly says "Thanks for giving us a good time"; watch Wembley 85, how shy he is with Hank, saying that he still wishes he could make his guitar sound like "the man himself" does; watch Sydney 86, how he thanks everyone, the band, the Roadies... He does not spit on DS, last year he had been with John to collect an award for the 40 years of the group.Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
I think we have all seen behaviour from MK that makes us question how much he likes the people who got him where he is.....
Guys, he is no asshole, he is just being Mark.
Let's just move on, shall we ?
:thumbsup
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 16, 2018, 03:02:45 AM
:thumbsup :thumbsupAs John put it nicely: "None of this would have happened without MK". MK is the one who got him where he is. Every other person involved contributed with talent, but still benefited from Mark's genius abilities as a songwriter and as a guitarist. He does not owe us s**t. If he has personal reasons not to go that he does not want to disclose, let's respect that. Looking at how tasteless and way to late this ceremony was, he might be right ! He changed my life with the albums and the shows, and I am grateful that he is still doing that. His absence at RRHOF will take nothing out of that. I would have been happy to see him hug the other members and play.... Only if I had been sure they he was happy to do it. He gives us sincerity, not an hypocritical half-hearted reunion. He has always thanked everybody in his career. Watch Alchemy just before "Going Home", how he humbly says "Thanks for giving us a good time"; watch Wembley 85, how shy he is with Hank, saying that he still wishes he could make his guitar sound like "the man himself" does; watch Sydney 86, how he thanks everyone, the band, the Roadies... He does not spit on DS, last year he had been with John to collect an award for the 40 years of the group.Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
I think we have all seen behaviour from MK that makes us question how much he likes the people who got him where he is.....
Guys, he is no asshole, he is just being Mark.
Let's just move on, shall we ?
Post by: allen on April 16, 2018, 04:11:54 AM
Post by: Trawlerman on April 16, 2018, 07:04:52 AM
Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
I think we have all seen behaviour from MK that makes us question how much he likes the people who got him where he is.....
The way I see it, the word 'fans' is a bit weird. Fanatics. We're not fanatics in the literal sense.
We're supposed to be educated grown people, not fanatics teens anymore and MK knows that too. He knows which kind of people come to his shows and who listens to his music.
Therefore he doesn't need to run some kind of teenagers fan club. And we're supposed to understand that he's just a guy who creates music and offers it to whoever wants to listen without expecting any kind of special relationship in return.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 08:04:19 AM
:smack
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 09:00:23 AM
This is the last public image that Dire Straits leaves for history.
Just think about it.
Post by: Trawlerman on April 16, 2018, 09:40:16 AM
In the end, just think about this:
This is the last public image that Dire Straits leaves for history.
Just think about it.
You're probably just too concerned about an issue that really isn't one.
Dire Straits ended approximately 25 years ago. Maybe even after the Brothers In Arms tour if we're really honest. On Every Street and the tour that followed felt kind of forced down the throat in the sense that MK didn't invest much of himself into it.
On The Night is kind of a debacle compared to Alchemy if you know what I mean. Who wouldn't have wished a much better live album, or let's say a better conclusion ? It was definitely the right time to put an end to this journey.
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on April 16, 2018, 09:41:10 AM
In the end, just think about this:
This is the last public image that Dire Straits leaves for history.
Just think about it.
Much better than MK playing an old song he didn't rehearse or can't play anymore IMHO.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 09:43:03 AM
In the end, just think about this:
This is the last public image that Dire Straits leaves for history.
Just think about it.
Much better than MK playing an old song he didn't rehearse or can't play anymore IMHO.
Like let's say, Sultans of swing?
:smack
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 09:45:25 AM
In the end, just think about this:
This is the last public image that Dire Straits leaves for history.
Just think about it.
You're probably just to concerned about an issue that really isn't one.
Dire Straits ended approximately 25 years ago. Maybe even after the Brothers In Arms tour if we're really honest. On Every Street and the tour that followed felt kind of forced down the throat.
No, I'm not.
From an objective point of view. This is the very last DS public appearance.
And it was what it was. And it's how it's going to be remembered., Their last public appearance as DS...
Post by: Trawlerman on April 16, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
In the end, just think about this:
This is the last public image that Dire Straits leaves for history.
Just think about it.
You're probably just to concerned about an issue that really isn't one.
Dire Straits ended approximately 25 years ago. Maybe even after the Brothers In Arms tour if we're really honest. On Every Street and the tour that followed felt kind of forced down the throat.
No, I'm not.
From an objective point of view. This is the very last DS public appearance.
And it was what it was. And it's how it's going to be remembered., Their last public appearance as DS...
You're right but I don't see it as an issue really.
Most people don't even know who Mark Knopfler is.
Even back in the day, he's always just been the voice and guitar of Dire Straits, he's never been a charismatic iconic frontman and leader, he has never been someone like Freddie Mercury and probably never wanted to be either.
Just ask around who the hell is Mark Knopfler. Everyone knows Money For Nothing's riff but very few people will be able to tell you who plays it.
That's the thing with Dire Straits, a very successful band that sold over 120 millions albums worldwide and very few people can name even one single musician. It's really one of a kind.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 10:05:29 AM
But for history, this was last DS public appearance.
I'm not concerned, but this is it.
Post by: Trawlerman on April 16, 2018, 10:14:52 AM
Whatever...
But for history, this was last DS public appearance.
I'm not concerned, but this is it.
True
Good thing is, MK, the voice, guitar, the creative and driving force of DS isn't dead yet. We'll soon hear new music from him and we'll still get to see him live. And life will go on for whoever chooses to follow his path.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 10:27:03 AM
Whatever...
But for history, this was last DS public appearance.
I'm not concerned, but this is it.
We are fans but very few other people will have any clue that any of this happened, same as they wouldn't know about Zaragoza.
Most people will just think that DS is a cool old band. And I'm fine with that.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 10:29:40 AM
When anyone search for it, this will appear as their last public appearance.
The fact.
Post by: junkiedoll on April 16, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=belP783zBq8&feature=youtu.be
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Whatever opinion or excuse we would use to hide it, forget it or mask it, the historical fact remains.
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
Anyone knows what Dire Straits item John donated to RRHOF Museum?
One of Mark's sweaty old headbands. Hopefully!
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2018, 11:21:44 AM
the trio were advised 15 minutes prior to going on stage there was no one to induct them so John decided to scribble something down and had no time to rehearse it and just read it from the paper he wrote it on.
the organisation didn't even have a video montage ready to showcase the band.
the fact that the guys went all the way to Cleveland and were made to feel very uncomfortable at the ceremony.
my favourite band are now a part of all this. Can they be uninducted?
_____________
What pleases me:
Mark had the foresight not to attend this sham.
I didn't vote.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 11:23:41 AM
Anyone knows what Dire Straits item John donated to RRHOF Museum?
One of Mark's sweaty old headbands. Hopefully!
The blue jacket.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 16, 2018, 11:29:14 AM
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 11:34:36 AM
Or, let's say, that people ignore the history doesn't change the historical facts.
Whatever opinion or excuse we would use to hide it, forget it or mask it, the historical fact remains.
It's not a fact though, it's your opinion.
In my opinion, it's not DS if MK isn't there. Your opinion may be different. John, AC and Guy don't become DS just because the joke organisation that is the RRHOF says so. If that was the case then you could say that any of these tribute bands were actually DS.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.
John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.
They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.
Facts, not opinions.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 11:48:14 AM
It's not an opinion.
The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.
John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.
They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.
Facts, not opinions.
John, Alan and Guy are not Dire Straits though. You could make the case for that being a fact, given that the line up of DS has never been expressed as the three of them, on any official release. P
You seem to place an awful lot of stock in the authority of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. As far as I'm concerned they have no authority. They are a bunch of music industry lowlifes, exactly the type of people MK have avoided throughout his career.
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2018, 11:57:14 AM
It's not an opinion.
The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.
John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.
They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.
Facts, not opinions.
John, Alan and Guy are not Dire Straits though. You could make the case for that being a fact, given that the line up of DS has never been expressed as the three of them, on any official release. P
You seem to place an awful lot of stock in the authority of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. As far as I'm concerned they have no authority. They are a bunch of music industry lowlifes, exactly the type of people MK have avoided throughout his career.
:clap :clap
Dusty's right - it's just a complete sham. And John inducted them anyway.
I hope the guys enjoyed catching up on their trip to Cleveland but looked like they were made to feel really uncomfortable at the ceremony.
Post by: superval99 on April 16, 2018, 11:59:28 AM
It's not an opinion.
The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.
John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.
They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.
Facts, not opinions.
John, Alan and Guy are not Dire Straits though. You could make the case for that being a fact, given that the line up of DS has never been expressed as the three of them, on any official release. P
You seem to place an awful lot of stock in the authority of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. As far as I'm concerned they have no authority. They are a bunch of music industry lowlifes, exactly the type of people MK have avoided throughout his career.
:clap :clap :clap
I did vote for them, but I should have known better, knowing how MK feels about such things as the RRHoF. I'm sorry I bothered now! ::)
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 12:33:19 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
John was there.
I don't give any credit to the hall of fame. It was a public act that has a certain name in the music and rock industry whatever our opinion about it, and they inducted DS.
So, three of the four members credited at DS last record were there. One of the two legal DS members were there. At a ceremony in front of public, that would be broadcast at TV.
Thats the facts.
My opinion? Is quite similar to Dusty's or Val's or Dmg's but my opinion doesn't change the facts, and I'm talking about facts here.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
Post by: JF on April 16, 2018, 12:49:58 PM
Most people will just think that DS is a cool old band. And I'm fine with that.
Yes I would be fine with that too. But I don't think it's the case. I mean "most" people
at least, here in France, Dire Straits is viewed as a 80 cheesy band. Pink Floyd is cool, but DS is not cool; that's what I tried to say in my article in december, and I thought that this induction would have changed the band's image, in fact I hoped it would do, but it seems I was wrong.
I ddidn't really know about RnRHof, I thought it was a "serious" thing, but indeed after reading articles, links posted here, this discussion, etc... I now tend to think you all are right, it was not THAT important.
Ok, but I keep a strange feeling of bitterness though
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
But a legal member of the band was there to induct the band. So at least half of the legal band was there, and "legally" inducted the band.
I insist that my opinion is the same than yours, but the fact is still that last saturday Dire Straits were inducted in a ceremony in front of public and that will be broadcasted and MK wasn´t there, and that will be historically the last DS public appearence, without MK, but with John, so, legally, John represents DS.
I get that we have opinions about it but, again, the fact is the fact, and it doesn't matter we don't like it.
And, again, I insist, my opinion is pretty much the same than yours.
I think it's not difficult to get. But it looks it's difficult to accept.
Post by: Robson on April 16, 2018, 12:53:56 PM
Me too. I'm listening more :)
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 01:00:58 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
But a legal member of the band was there to induct the band. So at least half of the legal band was there, and "legally" inducted the band.
I insist that my opinion is the same than yours, but the fact is still that last saturday Dire Straits were inducted in a ceremony in front of public and that will be broadcasted and MK wasn´t there, and that will be historically the last DS public appearence, without MK, but with John, so, legally, John represents DS.
I get that we have opinions about it but, again, the fact is the fact, and it doesn't matter we don't like it.
And, again, I insist, my opinion is pretty much the same than yours.
I think it's not difficult to get. But it looks it's difficult to accept.
Seems it's difficult to accept that these are opinions, not facts. :)
My opinion is that DS weren't there.
When words like "legally" start getting used it just highlights how crazy this discussion is.
You believe DS were there. I say they weren't. Both valid opinions with reasoning behind them but literally no way of proving that one or the other is "fact".
Post by: Trawlerman on April 16, 2018, 01:11:36 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
But a legal member of the band was there to induct the band. So at least half of the legal band was there, and "legally" inducted the band.
I insist that my opinion is the same than yours, but the fact is still that last saturday Dire Straits were inducted in a ceremony in front of public and that will be broadcasted and MK wasn´t there, and that will be historically the last DS public appearence, without MK, but with John, so, legally, John represents DS.
I get that we have opinions about it but, again, the fact is the fact, and it doesn't matter we don't like it.
And, again, I insist, my opinion is pretty much the same than yours.
I think it's not difficult to get. But it looks it's difficult to accept.
If it can help you grieve, cause you seem to have a hard time, you should compare this 'historic moment' to the walk of fame on Hollywood Boulevard.
You may not know it but Clint Eastwood, George Clooney, George Lucas or Robert De Niro don't have a star. Because they declined the induction.
To own a star and be inducted you have to be nominated, you have to give your consent and last but not least you have to pay a $30K fee.
And keep in mind that having a star on Hollywood Boulevard is far more prestigious than this Hall of fame thing. Still, not everyone feels the need to be recognized. At the end of the day it's more or less an ego thing.
History is remembered by people like us and we keep a legacy alive, or not.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 01:14:45 PM
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 01:20:33 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
But a legal member of the band was there to induct the band. So at least half of the legal band was there, and "legally" inducted the band.
I insist that my opinion is the same than yours, but the fact is still that last saturday Dire Straits were inducted in a ceremony in front of public and that will be broadcasted and MK wasn´t there, and that will be historically the last DS public appearence, without MK, but with John, so, legally, John represents DS.
I get that we have opinions about it but, again, the fact is the fact, and it doesn't matter we don't like it.
And, again, I insist, my opinion is pretty much the same than yours.
I think it's not difficult to get. But it looks it's difficult to accept.
If it can help you grieve, cause you seem to have a hard time, you should compare this 'historic moment' to the walk of fame on Hollywood Boulevard.
You may not know it but Clint Eastwood, George Clooney, George Lucas or Robert De Niro don't have a star. Because they declined the induction.
To own a star and be inducted you have to be nominated, you have to give your consent and last but not least you have to pay a $30K fee.
And keep in mind that having a star on Hollywood Boulevard is far more prestigious than this Hall of fame thing. Still, not everyone feels the need to be recognized. At the end of the day it's more or less an ego thing.
History is remembered by people like us and we keep a legacy alive, or not.
But it doesn't change the fact that DS were inducted at the Rock and roll hall of fame, and the members inducted were John, Alan and Guy, and MK wasn't there, and that was the last DS public appearence, without MK.
I agree with the rest of what you say, but facts and my own feelings about it, doesn't coincide. To me it's a bit sad that this would be the last public appearance in DS history but, my opinion and how I could feel about it, won't change what happened. And history is history doesn't matter if you remember it or not. It's written in stone already.
And again, that I find it sad, doesn't means there is any grieve. Actually, I find funny the denying feeling behind most of the answers to the fact I pointed out.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 01:22:17 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
But a legal member of the band was there to induct the band. So at least half of the legal band was there, and "legally" inducted the band.
I insist that my opinion is the same than yours, but the fact is still that last saturday Dire Straits were inducted in a ceremony in front of public and that will be broadcasted and MK wasn´t there, and that will be historically the last DS public appearence, without MK, but with John, so, legally, John represents DS.
I get that we have opinions about it but, again, the fact is the fact, and it doesn't matter we don't like it.
And, again, I insist, my opinion is pretty much the same than yours.
I think it's not difficult to get. But it looks it's difficult to accept.
Seems it's difficult to accept that these are opinions, not facts. :)
My opinion is that DS weren't there.
When words like "legally" start getting used it just highlights how crazy this discussion is.
You believe DS were there. I say they weren't. Both valid opinions with reasoning behind them but literally no way of proving that one or the other is "fact".
Whatever
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's so funny that what happened last saturday in a event with public was an opinion.
It will be ever funnier that HBO will broadcast also an opinion!!!!
Crazy times, LOL
Post by: JF on April 16, 2018, 01:22:52 PM
ok som will say that a rock band is an artistic thing only, and not a firm or a job office, but unfortunately, it's is too
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
could we say that "musicaly" and "artistically" they weren't there (I agree with you Dusty) but "administratively" and "legally" they were there (I agree with you Jbaent) ;D
ok som will say that a rock band is an artistic thing only, and not a firm or a job office, but unfortunately, it's is too
That's what I'm saying since the very beguining. :thumbsup :clap
Post by: Trawlerman on April 16, 2018, 01:31:46 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
But a legal member of the band was there to induct the band. So at least half of the legal band was there, and "legally" inducted the band.
I insist that my opinion is the same than yours, but the fact is still that last saturday Dire Straits were inducted in a ceremony in front of public and that will be broadcasted and MK wasn´t there, and that will be historically the last DS public appearence, without MK, but with John, so, legally, John represents DS.
I get that we have opinions about it but, again, the fact is the fact, and it doesn't matter we don't like it.
And, again, I insist, my opinion is pretty much the same than yours.
I think it's not difficult to get. But it looks it's difficult to accept.
If it can help you grieve, cause you seem to have a hard time, you should compare this 'historic moment' to the walk of fame on Hollywood Boulevard.
You may not know it but Clint Eastwood, George Clooney, George Lucas or Robert De Niro don't have a star. Because they declined the induction.
To own a star and be inducted you have to be nominated, you have to give your consent and last but not least you have to pay a $30K fee.
And keep in mind that having a star on Hollywood Boulevard is far more prestigious than this Hall of fame thing. Still, not everyone feels the need to be recognized. At the end of the day it's more or less an ego thing.
History is remembered by people like us and we keep a legacy alive, or not.
But it doesn't change the fact that DS were inducted at the Rock and roll hall of fame, and the members inducted were John, Alan and Guy, and MK wasn't there, and that was the last DS public appearence, without MK.
I agree with the rest of what you say, but facts and my own feelings about it, doesn't coincide. To me it's a bit sad that this would be the last public appearance in DS history but, my opinion and how I could feel about it, won't change what happened. And history is history doesn't matter if you remember it or not. It's written in stone already.
And again, that I find it sad, doesn't means there is any grieve. Actually, I find funny the denying feeling behind most of the answers to the fact I pointed out.
I know, the grieve thing is just an image :)
You take this RnRHoF thing very seriously. I'm sure you'll have forgotten about it in a couple of months.
DS already made history a couple of times anyway.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
It's a public act and a public appearance, and that it's not related at all with if I take it seriously or not.
Post by: binone on April 16, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
And plays TOTT with Alan and his brother David in the band, with a solo at the end 6 minutes long. His badass son on the drums.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 16, 2018, 01:58:33 PM
Now Mark surprises everyone announcing a real final DS concert in behalf of any charity, and saying "I do it because I want, not because anybody forces me"
And plays TOTT with Alan and his brother David in the band, with a solo at the end 6 minutes long. His badass son on the drums.
8) 8) 8)
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 02:02:53 PM
Legally, DS are Mk and John.
And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.
"Fact" going by your logic. :)
Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.
But a legal member of the band was there to induct the band. So at least half of the legal band was there, and "legally" inducted the band.
I insist that my opinion is the same than yours, but the fact is still that last saturday Dire Straits were inducted in a ceremony in front of public and that will be broadcasted and MK wasn´t there, and that will be historically the last DS public appearence, without MK, but with John, so, legally, John represents DS.
I get that we have opinions about it but, again, the fact is the fact, and it doesn't matter we don't like it.
And, again, I insist, my opinion is pretty much the same than yours.
I think it's not difficult to get. But it looks it's difficult to accept.
Seems it's difficult to accept that these are opinions, not facts. :)
My opinion is that DS weren't there.
When words like "legally" start getting used it just highlights how crazy this discussion is.
You believe DS were there. I say they weren't. Both valid opinions with reasoning behind them but literally no way of proving that one or the other is "fact".
Whatever
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's so funny that what happened last saturday in a event with public was an opinion.
It will be ever funnier that HBO will broadcast also an opinion!!!!
Crazy times, LOL
Anyone reading the thread can see that I never said that the event didn't take place or that John, Guy and Alan weren't there so I'm not sure what the point of this post was.
What I said was that DS weren't there, because MK wasn't there, so, in my opinion, this does not constitute their last appearance. Others have a different opinion as to what constitutes DS.
I will never accept that DS without MK is really DS.
If MK died and John, Alan, Guy, Terry, Hal, David, whoever went out on tour as DS, would that then be DS? Not for me.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 02:09:55 PM
I agree with you, DS without MK, for me, is not DS, and that's your opinion, my opinion, and many others opinion.
But last saturdat there was a public ceremony where DS were inducted and three members attended the induction, that's what I mean with fact. Its something that happened.
That we don't accept it as last DS appearence, is our opinion. An opinion I agree. but what happened on Cleveland last saturday wasn't the RARHOF opinion, or John, Alan and Guy opinion, was a fact, three members being inducteed as DS in a public ceremony, in all the newspapers, tv news, websites etc, they are talking about DS induction, and that's what will last in their history.
That we don't care about what newspapers, tv, radios, websites etc says, is again our opinion, an opinion that I agree.
Wow, I think I never used so much the word opinion in my life, Dusty... when we met next year in Edinburgh, don't let me use the word again! ;D
Post by: primi on April 16, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
A fan is nobody for you. He's not a friend, he's not a family member, he merely likes that you do and that's all. I think some money-related things like buying tickets/CDs/memorabilia/instruments/whatever could lead to a conclusion, that he (or she) owes you something. But this is just an illusion! So Mark doesn't need to "love" his fans, because he's not supposed to.
I can't agree with this. I think it's a mutual thing. Yes, for example Mark does what he wants to do artistically (certainly does at this time of his career and perhaps always has or maybe not) but without fans things get complicated. What's the difference between a rehearsal and a concert? Fans. Does Mark like to play live. He does. Why? Take away those fans and it's just a rehearsal. Would he tour empty venues for months? Not even for a week if he could do it for free.
Fans are even more important at the beginning of ones career. Fans, audience, call it whatever you want.
Now imagine a fresh artist, a talented one if you want, doing what he loves doing best, he was dreaming about making a living as a musician but it's at this point in his career that he really for the first time realized that he could perhaps actually make it. And ask him how he feels about fans. Are they nobody for him? Artists are getting a lot more from fans, not just money.
But even if it was just money and nothing else there is a huge difference between a successful career of a certain artist because he was understood and appreciated while he was still alive and made tons of money in the process and another artist that was perhaps even better than the first yet was totally not understood and not appreciated for what he was and had to die miserable, poor and alone only for the world to realize posthumously what it was all about. Poe, Dickinson, Monet, Kafka, van Gogh and even Bach in a certain way. To name just a few of the well known ones. They had no fans! :wave
(Bach had fans, but only as an organist, not composer, and probably didn't die miserable, poor and alone)
Post by: allen on April 16, 2018, 02:51:21 PM
Wishes
Allen
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 03:04:44 PM
and that will be historically the last DS public appearence
I don't get why this is such a big deal anyway? How often do people sit around speaking about an acts last appearance?
I just looked up John Lennon, a far more legendary artist than DS.
His last appearance was joining Elton John for a couple of songs. I don't think people really get concerned by that.
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 03:17:38 PM
D i r e S t r a i t s, f u l l s t o p p l u s p e r i o d.
Wishes
Allen
Sometimes I realize that my English is pretty bad...
Pardon?
Post by: cannibals on April 16, 2018, 04:12:30 PM
http://www.markknopfler.com
But still no word from MK. Complete silence......
Post by: Robson on April 16, 2018, 04:23:34 PM
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 04:57:45 PM
It was always like that. It's written in the mk.com site...
Post by: naif on April 16, 2018, 05:31:35 PM
I think Mark is wrong, but this shame is something else.
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2018, 06:08:46 PM
What I do not understand is why DS got inducted by John İlsley ?
I think Mark is wrong, but this shame is something else.
They were told at short notice there was no one to induct them so John said "would you like me to do it." Simple as that really. That's why he read the induction from a sheet of paper but had his other speech rehearsed. He wrote the induction only 15 mins before going on stage. Complete farce but a big well done to John.
Post by: naif on April 16, 2018, 06:13:26 PM
What I do not understand is why DS got inducted by John İlsley ?
I think Mark is wrong, but this shame is something else.
They were told at short notice there was no one to induct them so John said "would you like me to do it." Simple as that really. That's why he read the induction from a sheet of paper but had his other speech rehearsed. He wrote the induction only 15 mins before going on stage. Complete farce but a big well done to John.
Of course, Big John is the MAN!! And i'm so happy to see him in a good shape. He has been through alot.
Post by: Robson on April 16, 2018, 06:16:20 PM
Dire Straits’s Rock Hall Induction Was a Weirdly Beautiful Mess :)
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2018, 06:50:18 PM
It was evident that he was nervous. His hands.
Dire Straits’s Rock Hall Induction Was a Weirdly Beautiful Mess :)
Anyone would be nervous reading from a sheet of paper a speech they'd scribbled down only a few moments ago!
I found the video where I got the info from. Not sure if it was posted on here (forgive me if it has). Some other interesting stuff too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8qYvnZtjAk
Post by: Robson on April 16, 2018, 06:58:39 PM
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2018, 07:08:08 PM
John did not know that he would introduce DS? The organization of RnRHOF was strange. "Life is strange"
"Strange" is far too kindly a word to use! If someone had pulled out then they should have had a stand-by. This was either very poorly organised or a deliberate attempt to punish DS because Mark didn't turn up. By their actions they not only punished DS but us, their fans.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 07:42:37 PM
What a loosers...
Post by: Jules on April 16, 2018, 07:51:20 PM
Poor souls.
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2018, 07:55:25 PM
I feel so sorry for all the Bon Jovi, Moody blues and The Cars fans that had to suffer the embarrassment of seeing the bands playing together again...
Poor souls.
If they buy into all the hype then fine. It clearly isn't Mark's thing - never has been.
Don't feel left out because we never got a performance, always be thankful for what we've got. :)
Post by: Robson on April 16, 2018, 08:44:45 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 16, 2018, 08:59:13 PM
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Post by: Stanko on April 16, 2018, 10:43:54 PM
There is no big difference when it comes to Mark i believe, "he just got "lucky" " (if one consider the money and the fans for the measure of success :'(). The similar themes go through the so many of his songs, 38 special, skydiver, in the gallery, money for nothing, after the beanstalk, ragpicker's dream, in the sky - are just few that come into my mind at first (he always took a fancy to the ones...) think of local hero, well just listen to his songs! Songs would have found the way anyhow!, or if you like vice versa "the way" would have found these Songs if it there had been different circumstances. Yes, the funs also do their part indeed, they come and go, to crash and foam and creap away (what can your praise really be worth?).A fan is nobody for you. He's not a friend, he's not a family member, he merely likes that you do and that's all. I think some money-related things like buying tickets/CDs/memorabilia/instruments/whatever could lead to a conclusion, that he (or she) owes you something. But this is just an illusion! So Mark doesn't need to "love" his fans, because he's not supposed to.
I can't agree with this. I think it's a mutual thing. Yes, for example Mark does what he wants to do artistically (certainly does at this time of his career and perhaps always has or maybe not) but without fans things get complicated. What's the difference between a rehearsal and a concert? Fans. Does Mark like to play live. He does. Why? Take away those fans and it's just a rehearsal. Would he tour empty venues for months? Not even for a week if he could do it for free.
Fans are even more important at the beginning of ones career. Fans, audience, call it whatever you want.
Now imagine a fresh artist, a talented one if you want, doing what he loves doing best, he was dreaming about making a living as a musician but it's at this point in his career that he really for the first time realized that he could perhaps actually make it. And ask him how he feels about fans. Are they nobody for him? Artists are getting a lot more from fans, not just money.
But even if it was just money and nothing else there is a huge difference between a successful career of a certain artist because he was understood and appreciated while he was still alive and made tons of money in the process and another artist that was perhaps even better than the first yet was totally not understood and not appreciated for what he was and had to die miserable, poor and alone only for the world to realize posthumously what it was all about. Poe, Dickinson, Monet, Kafka, van Gogh and even Bach in a certain way. To name just a few of the well known ones. They had no fans! :wave
(Bach had fans, but only as an organist, not composer, and probably didn't die miserable, poor and alone)
Only songs remain, it's all about the song, song is the king, art not the artist;. ;)
...and always broke, not that they ever cared! so they called it Dire Straits!
Post by: DS on April 16, 2018, 10:48:54 PM
I thought I would have been disappointed but, after seeing what happened at the HoF, I'm actually happy he didn't show up.
Could he have handled it better? For sure. But the comments on the website are going a bit too far in my opinion.
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 17, 2018, 12:54:05 AM
I feel so sorry for all the Bon Jovi, Moody blues and The Cars fans that had to suffer the embarrassment of seeing the bands playing together again...
Poor souls.
If they buy into all the hype then fine. It clearly isn't Mark's thing - never has been.
:thumbsup
Don't feel left out because we never got a performance, always be thankful for what we've got. :)
Post by: holaknopfler on April 17, 2018, 06:30:09 AM
People are strange. In the comments on mk.com someone says that he's very disappointed and will never listen his music again :lol
I thought I would have been disappointed but, after seeing what happened at the HoF, I'm actually happy he didn't show up.
Could he have handled it better? For sure. But the comments on the website are going a bit too far in my opinion.
How childish can one be... You know the man because of his music anyway. I don’t get it. I don’t like show business for one bit. For sure I’d love to have seen MK there but I can’t blame him for not showing up. Gives him time to finish that new album!
Post by: JF on April 17, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
It was evident that he was nervous. His hands.
Dire Straits’s Rock Hall Induction Was a Weirdly Beautiful Mess :)
Anyone would be nervous reading from a sheet of paper a speech they'd scribbled down only a few moments ago!
I found the video where I got the info from. Not sure if it was posted on here (forgive me if it has). Some other interesting stuff too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8qYvnZtjAk
When John talks about the lost of drum track...is it a diplomatic way to talk about Terry replacement by Omar ? ::) or did I misunderstand ?
Post by: cannibals on April 17, 2018, 11:49:48 AM
Post by: dmg on April 17, 2018, 01:10:57 PM
When John talks about the lost of drum track...is it a diplomatic way to talk about Terry replacement by Omar ? ::) or did I misunderstand ?
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I don't think he'd lie just to be diplomatic so they must've lost the drum tracks. Why Terry couldn't have re-recorded them I do not know. Maybe he was busy so Omar was brought in? I was always under the impression it was because Mark didn't like his drumming on it, and it seemed that even Guy thought they only lost a single track!
Post by: Robson on April 17, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
I hope you can tell us why there wasn’t an induction speech for Dire Straits. John’s comments were gracious but it was just odd. Can you tell us why it happened that way?
GF:
Yes, simply that the people who were asked, decided not to show up after learning that Mark wasn’t to be there. I’m not sure of the timing of their decisions so it may not be as cruel as it seems. For example, it may not have been known to them that the three of us would take the helm.
Post by: Marijo58 on April 17, 2018, 03:19:03 PM
We all have things in our lives that we just don't want to deal with for various reasons. It seems this is happening with Mark and we have to respect it.Exactly !! You summed it up!! That's how I feel as well !!
Looking forward to the new album!
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Post by: Rail King on April 17, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
This way, however, it was like: We couldn't get the band together, but the three of us were just SO yearning for a glimpse of spotlight after decades of obscurity that we would do anything for it – even if we''ll have to do the back-patting ourselves, and even if the award was obviously in honour of somebody else.
:smack
Gladly, there are way more important things in the world. Like a new Mark Knopfler album, for instance.
Post by: Robson on April 17, 2018, 03:23:21 PM
We all have things in our lives that we just don't want to deal with for various reasons. It seems this is happening with Mark and we have to respect it.Exactly !! You summed it up!! That's how I feel as well !!
Looking forward to the new album!
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Post by: dustyvalentino on April 17, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
Denae:
I hope you can tell us why there wasn’t an induction speech for Dire Straits. John’s comments were gracious but it was just odd. Can you tell us why it happened that way?
GF:
Yes, simply that the people who were asked, decided not to show up after learning that Mark wasn’t to be there. I’m not sure of the timing of their decisions so it may not be as cruel as it seems. For example, it may not have been known to them that the three of us would take the helm.
Something doesn't ring true here.
It was well publicised that MK wouldn't be there.
I find it very hard to believe that somebody pulled out at the last minute and that they didn't have time to secure a replacement.
Also, they should name and shame whoever pulled out.
SAD!
Post by: PensaGhost on April 17, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
Denae:
I hope you can tell us why there wasn’t an induction speech for Dire Straits. John’s comments were gracious but it was just odd. Can you tell us why it happened that way?
GF:
Yes, simply that the people who were asked, decided not to show up after learning that Mark wasn’t to be there. I’m not sure of the timing of their decisions so it may not be as cruel as it seems. For example, it may not have been known to them that the three of us would take the helm.
Something doesn't ring true here.
It was well publicised that MK wouldn't be there.
I find it very hard to believe that somebody pulled out at the last minute and that they didn't have time to secure a replacement.
Also, they should name and shame whoever pulled out.
SAD!
Completely agree
Post by: boriszhukov on April 17, 2018, 06:34:48 PM
I think Guy is right. Lets say it was a guy like Sting who was supposed to do it and he realized very late that MK wasn't there. He would look kinda bad introductions the remains of DS and all interest from him regarding publicity would be lost (atleast his agent could have this opinon) Im pretty sure a star og his magnitude wouldn't have been following the speculations if MK was there or not. Not all are hardcore MK/DS fans. And why would Guy lie about it? Everything has been quite embarrasing and GF has been quite honest about the matter.
Post by: JF on April 17, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
When John talks about the lost of drum track...is it a diplomatic way to talk about Terry replacement by Omar ? ::) or did I misunderstand ?
I don't think he'd lie just to be diplomatic so they must've lost the drum tracks. Why Terry couldn't have re-recorded them I do not know. Maybe he was busy so Omar was brought in? I was always under the impression it was because Mark didn't like his drumming on it, and it seemed that even Guy thought they only lost a single track!
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Someone put the story here few years ago I think.
yes Mark told tery that he wasn't pleased with his drumming so he had to replaced it by Omar's part
But I felt surprised when i heard John with this lost of drum track story that I never heard before. So i wonder if it was the same story, but told "differently" ? ::)
Post by: dmg on April 17, 2018, 07:04:24 PM
When John talks about the lost of drum track...is it a diplomatic way to talk about Terry replacement by Omar ? ::) or did I misunderstand ?
I don't think he'd lie just to be diplomatic so they must've lost the drum tracks. Why Terry couldn't have re-recorded them I do not know. Maybe he was busy so Omar was brought in? I was always under the impression it was because Mark didn't like his drumming on it, and it seemed that even Guy thought they only lost a single track!
Someone put the story here few years ago I think.
yes Mark told tery that he wasn't pleased with his drumming so he had to replaced it by Omar's part
But I felt surprised when i heard John with this lost of drum track story that I never heard before. So i wonder if it was the same story, but told "differently" ? ::)
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I would like to believe that the tracks were lost and Terry was busy so Mark called Omar for the re-recordings. Then, a story got around that Mark wasn't happy with Terry's work and that was why Omar was brought in. It would be nice if that was the true story anyway!
Post by: dmg on April 17, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Denae:
I hope you can tell us why there wasn’t an induction speech for Dire Straits. John’s comments were gracious but it was just odd. Can you tell us why it happened that way?
GF:
Yes, simply that the people who were asked, decided not to show up after learning that Mark wasn’t to be there. I’m not sure of the timing of their decisions so it may not be as cruel as it seems. For example, it may not have been known to them that the three of us would take the helm.
Something doesn't ring true here.
It was well publicised that MK wouldn't be there.
I find it very hard to believe that somebody pulled out at the last minute and that they didn't have time to secure a replacement.
Also, they should name and shame whoever pulled out.
SAD!
Yep. I was thinking exactly the same things.
Name and shame the person (or persons) that don't think the three guys were important enough to turn up for. They did the dirty on Guy so now he has the opportunity to do it on them.
Post by: border_reiver on April 17, 2018, 07:19:00 PM
Denae:
I hope you can tell us why there wasn’t an induction speech for Dire Straits. John’s comments were gracious but it was just odd. Can you tell us why it happened that way?
GF:
Yes, simply that the people who were asked, decided not to show up after learning that Mark wasn’t to be there. I’m not sure of the timing of their decisions so it may not be as cruel as it seems. For example, it may not have been known to them that the three of us would take the helm.
Something doesn't ring true here.
It was well publicised that MK wouldn't be there.
I find it very hard to believe that somebody pulled out at the last minute and that they didn't have time to secure a replacement.
Also, they should name and shame whoever pulled out.
SAD!
Yep. I was thinking exactly the same things.
Name and shame the person (or persons) that don't think the three guys were important enough to turn up for. They did the dirty on Guy so now he has the opportunity to do it on them.
Yet, you reap what you sow...
Everything could have been handled so much better if only MK and PCM knew something about (modern) communication.
It wasn't well published until local press just a couple of days before the ceremony confirmed that MK was gonna be a no-show.
Also, please explain why another artist should be hung out to dry because he or she cancelled when MK did just the very same thing. Yet MK is celebrated for his no-show, it was his full right, it was not the thing for MK's personality and so on and on and on. I don't get it. :)
Post by: Rolleyway Man on April 17, 2018, 07:26:50 PM
A lot of things seem strange regarding the HOF. They didn't even want to pay for the bandmembers flights etc? Somebody from the HOF should be responsible that the whole segment involving DS would run smoothly and therefore also they should be responsible for someone being there to introduce the band. They must have had a big interest in this.
I think Guy is right. Lets say it was a guy like Sting who was supposed to do it and he realized very late that MK wasn't there. He would look kinda bad introductions the remains of DS and all interest from him regarding publicity would be lost (atleast his agent could have this opinon) Im pretty sure a star og his magnitude wouldn't have been following the speculations if MK was there or not. Not all are hardcore MK/DS fans. And why would Guy lie about it? Everything has been quite embarrasing and GF has been quite honest about the matter.
Fair point, though unlikely that Sting was the one who was intended to induct the band as he was in Eastern Europe at the time, promoting his collaboration album with his new best mate Shaggy. I would be interested to know who pulled out though, because no doubt the three of them would have felt quite awkward up there, having to induct themselves. But I thought they handled it all very well.
Time to move on now I think. We have a new album and the Local Hero musical to look forward to, as well as a probable tour.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 17, 2018, 07:39:38 PM
Denae:
I hope you can tell us why there wasn’t an induction speech for Dire Straits. John’s comments were gracious but it was just odd. Can you tell us why it happened that way?
GF:
Yes, simply that the people who were asked, decided not to show up after learning that Mark wasn’t to be there. I’m not sure of the timing of their decisions so it may not be as cruel as it seems. For example, it may not have been known to them that the three of us would take the helm.
Something doesn't ring true here.
It was well publicised that MK wouldn't be there.
I find it very hard to believe that somebody pulled out at the last minute and that they didn't have time to secure a replacement.
Also, they should name and shame whoever pulled out.
SAD!
Yep. I was thinking exactly the same things.
Name and shame the person (or persons) that don't think the three guys were important enough to turn up for. They did the dirty on Guy so now he has the opportunity to do it on them.
Yet, you reap what you sow...
Everything could have been handled so much better if only MK and PCM knew something about (modern) communication.
It wasn't well published until local press just a couple of days before the ceremony confirmed that MK was gonna be a no-show.
Also, please explain why another artist should be hung out to dry because he or she cancelled when MK did just the very same thing. Yet MK is celebrated for his no-show, it was his full right, it was not the thing for MK's personality and so on and on and on. I don't get it. :)
MK never agreed to do it.
Whoever the mysterious person was agreed to do it, then changed their mind, seemingly at the last minute, leaving the three of them in an embarrassing situation and DS as the only band ever to not be inducted properly.
Not the same.
At all.
Post by: ds1984 on April 17, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
Mark loves fans.
REALLY? Does MK really like the fans? Some days, im not totally convinced....
Yes... but those who attend his shows front row!
Post by: PensaGhost on April 17, 2018, 09:26:24 PM
Denae:
I hope you can tell us why there wasn’t an induction speech for Dire Straits. John’s comments were gracious but it was just odd. Can you tell us why it happened that way?
GF:
Yes, simply that the people who were asked, decided not to show up after learning that Mark wasn’t to be there. I’m not sure of the timing of their decisions so it may not be as cruel as it seems. For example, it may not have been known to them that the three of us would take the helm.
Something doesn't ring true here.
It was well publicised that MK wouldn't be there.
I find it very hard to believe that somebody pulled out at the last minute and that they didn't have time to secure a replacement.
Also, they should name and shame whoever pulled out.
SAD!
Yep. I was thinking exactly the same things.
Name and shame the person (or persons) that don't think the three guys were important enough to turn up for. They did the dirty on Guy so now he has the opportunity to do it on them.
Yet, you reap what you sow...
Everything could have been handled so much better if only MK and PCM knew something about (modern) communication.
It wasn't well published until local press just a couple of days before the ceremony confirmed that MK was gonna be a no-show.
Also, please explain why another artist should be hung out to dry because he or she cancelled when MK did just the very same thing. Yet MK is celebrated for his no-show, it was his full right, it was not the thing for MK's personality and so on and on and on. I don't get it. :)
MK never agreed to do it.
Whoever the mysterious person was agreed to do it, then changed their mind, seemingly at the last minute, leaving the three of them in an embarrassing situation and DS as the only band ever to not be inducted properly.
Not the same.
At all.
probably something happened
like they asked MK to do at least a video or something and he refused or didn't even answer :lol :lol
Post by: PensaGhost on April 17, 2018, 09:45:23 PM
mmmmmm
Post by: primi on April 17, 2018, 10:17:12 PM
Post by: JF on April 17, 2018, 11:27:25 PM
John Illsley on FB: "Being inducted into the 2018 @rockandrollhalloffame was a once in a lifetime experience - there is nothing like it anywhere in the world. Although it would have been great to play, it was still a huge honour to be there. Congratulations to all the other bands - Dire Straits is in good company. "
mmmmmm
can't find it
it's on his page ?
Post by: PensaGhost on April 18, 2018, 12:46:08 AM
John Illsley on FB: "Being inducted into the 2018 @rockandrollhalloffame was a once in a lifetime experience - there is nothing like it anywhere in the world. Although it would have been great to play, it was still a huge honour to be there. Congratulations to all the other bands - Dire Straits is in good company. "
mmmmmm
can't find it
it's on his page ?
yes, the last post on his FB 10 hours ago
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 02:07:03 AM
It will all be forgotten in a couple of days, so let's move on to the new album and musical now - that's far more important! :)
On a lighter note - there were three ladies with the boys on the red carpet, who was with whom? :think I'll have a guess that the tall one is John's wife, the short blonde one is Alan's wife and the lady with the grey hair is Guy's wife! ;)
You can get a confirmed answer in this photo.
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 02:10:01 AM
Anyone knows what Dire Straits item John donated to RRHOF Museum?
One of Mark's sweaty old headbands. Hopefully!
The blue jacket.
or the red trainers.
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 02:12:03 AM
Source: Alan Clark official website.
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 03:38:53 AM
D i r e S t r a i t s, f u l l s t o p p l u s p e r i o d.
Wishes
Allen
Sometimes I realize that my English is pretty bad...
Pardon?
Sorry, after drinking, I put it short.
I mean RRHOF was the most possible chance for Dire Straits union, in my opinion. After RRHOF ceremony, Dire Straits is history, no future possible reuion. Full Stop. Period.
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 08:09:02 AM
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Rock and roll hall of fame is something I never care about, but I recognize than my "fan ego" would like to see them inducted, just to read/hear in the media about DS again.
After the ceremony, the media is indeed talking about DS again, but not in the good way I expected, I thought I will be happy to see DS are in the spotlight again but, all of them are logically focusing in MK absence and his silence and all I read about my favourite band is exactly vhe opposite I expected, it's embarrassing...
It was MK choice to go or not, but I wish he had deal with it in a more elegant way, sending at least a public note...
Sad end for my favourite band.
Post by: DS on April 18, 2018, 09:01:31 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Post by: superval99 on April 18, 2018, 09:18:32 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 09:35:04 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
And if Alan stayed at home, maybe MK would have chosen to attend the ceremony.
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 10:24:07 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
To me, Alan was quite polite.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 18, 2018, 10:38:59 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
To me, Alan was quite polite.
Clearly a dig at Mark.
His behaviour goes like this:
Lots of digs at Mark during all the tribute band stuff.
HOF announced - AC starts sucking up to Mark, hoping he'll come to the ceremony.
MK doesn't come, back to digs again.
Post by: DS on April 18, 2018, 10:39:38 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
To me, Alan was quite polite.
Well, nobody except him was able to highlight Mark's absence twice in 5 lines message :)
Post by: Marijo58 on April 18, 2018, 10:47:27 AM
Yes I think so too. Mark Knopfler would have maybe come if AC wasn't there !!"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
And if Alan stayed at home, maybe MK would have chosen to attend the ceremony.
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Post by: superval99 on April 18, 2018, 10:52:40 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
And if Alan stayed at home, maybe MK would have chosen to attend the ceremony.
......and maybe David would have attended and MK and DK would have made friends and lived happily ever after! I'm dreaming again! ;D I'll just blame it all on Alan! ;)
Post by: Robson on April 18, 2018, 11:21:50 AM
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 11:29:46 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
And if Alan stayed at home, maybe MK would have chosen to attend the ceremony.
......and maybe David would have attended and MK and DK would have made friends and lived happily ever after! I'm dreaming again! ;D I'll just blame it all on Alan! ;)
I think David and Mark get along better than before. The conflict between Mark and Alan may go up after Alan comments before and after RRHOF. Anyway, I should turn this page, DS is history, I need to pay more attention to Mark's new album, Local Hero musical, and his future solo tours with his current band.
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
Yes I think so too. Mark Knopfler would have maybe come if AC wasn't there !!"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
And if Alan stayed at home, maybe MK would have chosen to attend the ceremony.
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MK was in silence even before Alan confirmed he will go. MK absence was clear to him since the very beguinning
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 11:33:47 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
And if Alan stayed at home, maybe MK would have chosen to attend the ceremony.
......and maybe David would have attended and MK and DK would have made friends and lived happily ever after! I'm dreaming again! ;D I'll just blame it all on Alan! ;)
I know it was a question of time, but I wasn't expected it exactly from you, LOL
Post by: PensaGhost on April 18, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
To me, Alan was quite polite.
Clearly a dig at Mark.
His behaviour goes like this:
Lots of digs at Mark during all the tribute band stuff.
HOF announced - AC starts sucking up to Mark, hoping he'll come to the ceremony.
MK doesn't come, back to digs again.
yes endless digs by AC
Post by: cannibals on April 18, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
Some are dissapointed, some are not. It was nice that John Alan and Guy were there. Mark has his reasons for not showing up and he will never share them in public. Perhaps it is best to talk about the new stuff that is comming our way :wave
Post by: Marijo58 on April 18, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
I totally agree with you !!!Perhaps it is best to close this topic. The RRHOF induction is over. Everything is said i think.
Some are dissapointed, some are not. It was nice that John Alan and Guy were there. Mark has his reasons for not showing up and he will never share them in public. Perhaps it is best to talk about the new stuff that is comming our way :wave
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Post by: PensaGhost on April 18, 2018, 01:04:12 PM
Perhaps it is best to close this topic. The RRHOF induction is over. Everything is said i think.
Some are dissapointed, some are not. It was nice that John Alan and Guy were there. Mark has his reasons for not showing up and he will never share them in public. Perhaps it is best to talk about the new stuff that is comming our way :wave
I see no reason to close it ever actually, developments may still happen and even if not why shouldn't old or new users be allowed to write about it
Post by: Marijo58 on April 18, 2018, 01:04:43 PM
Ah ok thanks for the info. I didn't follow the whole story...Yes I think so too. Mark Knopfler would have maybe come if AC wasn't there !!"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
Not only Mark stayed at home, but David and Pick too!
And if Alan stayed at home, maybe MK would have chosen to attend the ceremony.
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MK was in silence even before Alan confirmed he will go. MK absence was clear to him since the very beguinning
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Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 01:05:14 PM
By the way, why to close this topic? we never closed any tour topic after the tour ended.
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hETf4SgdkkU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hETf4SgdkkU)
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 18, 2018, 01:55:19 PM
Post by: Pottel on April 18, 2018, 01:55:51 PM
We normally do not close topics they just die a slow death the less people comment. I see no needI totally agree with you !!!Perhaps it is best to close this topic. The RRHOF induction is over. Everything is said i think.
Some are dissapointed, some are not. It was nice that John Alan and Guy were there. Mark has his reasons for not showing up and he will never share them in public. Perhaps it is best to talk about the new stuff that is comming our way :wave
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Post by: JF on April 18, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
At the beginning of this thread I said this:
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Rock and roll hall of fame is something I never care about, but I recognize than my "fan ego" would like to see them inducted, just to read/hear in the media about DS again.
After the ceremony, the media is indeed talking about DS again, but not in the good way I expected, I thought I will be happy to see DS are in the spotlight again but, all of them are logically focusing in MK absence and his silence and all I read about my favourite band is exactly vhe opposite I expected, it's embarrassing...
It was MK choice to go or not, but I wish he had deal with it in a more elegant way, sending at least a public note...
Sad end for my favourite band.
Yes exactly the same for me
Post by: boriszhukov on April 18, 2018, 02:05:43 PM
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 02:10:40 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
yes, the whole thing is HOF fault, yes, we have to blame them about all of it.
Post by: dmg on April 18, 2018, 02:11:52 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
A bit too unprofessional if you ask me. It appeared like they wanted to punish Mark for his no-show. In the event they took a swipe at Mark, missed and hit the trio who attended and the fans.
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 02:20:12 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
A bit too unprofessional if you ask me. It appeared like they wanted to punish Mark for his no-show. In the event they took a swipe at Mark, missed and hit the trio who attended and the fans.
Yes, it looks like a kind of revenge.
As far as I read, it looks like the HOF never had a situation like the one with Dire Straits. It's a kind of an "honour", isn´t it?
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 02:24:14 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
before this year's ceremony, I watched all the available youtube videos of RRHOF ceremonies in the past 32 years, each band or musician had someone(s) else who did induction speeches. DS was the first band that the planing people refused to do the speech just one day before the ceremony. So John wrote the speech on the morning of the ceremony.
No host during the last 32 years. RRHOF has its own formular of artists inducted by other artists. I don't think we have to blame RRHOF this time for DS self induction.
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 02:25:37 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
before this year's ceremony, I watched all the available youtube videos of RRHOF ceremonies in the past 32 years, each band or musician had someone(s) else who did induction speeches. DS was the first band that the planing people refused to do the speech just one day before the ceremony. So John wrote the speech on the morning of the ceremony.
No host during the last 32 years. RRHOF has its own formular of artists inducted by other artists. I don't think we have to blame RRHOF this time for DS self induction.
Are you serious?
Are you blaming MK for his behaviour?
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 02:28:28 PM
The people refused to do the speech one day before the ceremony, I think they could not find someone else who could take this offer, write the speech and go to deliver it. They asked John, and John seemed to be the best person to do the speech at that stage, in the last minutes.
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 02:32:41 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
before this year's ceremony, I watched all the available youtube videos of RRHOF ceremonies in the past 32 years, each band or musician had someone(s) else who did induction speeches. DS was the first band that the planing people refused to do the speech just one day before the ceremony. So John wrote the speech on the morning of the ceremony.
No host during the last 32 years. RRHOF has its own formular of artists inducted by other artists. I don't think we have to blame RRHOF this time for DS self induction.
Are you serious?
Are you blaming MK for his behaviour?
No, I am not blaming MK. Where did you get this conclusion from my previous comments? No one needs to blame. Those things happen in our life. That's how life flows. Someone up to accept the offer, then turend out to change mind and refuse to do the job at the very last minute. Then because of lack of time left, we have to find other solutions.
If RRHOF did not plan to have some people to do the induction speech for DS, I would blame them! but the fact is they planned.
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 02:49:55 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
Sorry, on the contrary, I think this year's ceremony is the best organized one, compared with any other previous one.
This year, they had OFFICIAL RED CARPET LIVE STREAM, which they did it for the first time. And DS was included. We fans are lucky to see John, Guy and Alan walked off the van and did an interview.
They had Klipsch for professional Audio, HBO for professional Video, Getty/Wire for professional Image.
They had a wonderful stage and functional big screens.
They had back stage interview for every band/artist.
They planned other artists to do the induction speech for this year's inductees.
The things listed above were all facts. I don't think they were unprofessional.
Post by: Pottel on April 18, 2018, 04:02:18 PM
I too think it was the Knopfler management team who could not be bothered to cooperate in any wayRegarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
Sorry, on the contrary, I think this year's ceremony is the best organized one, compared with any other previous one.
This year, they had OFFICIAL RED CARPET LIVE STREAM, which they did it for the first time. And DS was included. We fans are lucky to see John, Guy and Alan walked off the van and did an interview.
They had Klipsch for professional Audio, HBO for professional Video, Getty/Wire for professional Image.
They had a wonderful stage and functional big screens.
They had back stage interview for every band/artist.
They planned other artists to do the induction speech for this year's inductees.
The things listed above were all facts. I don't think they were unprofessional.
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Post by: PensaGhost on April 18, 2018, 04:14:59 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
Sorry, on the contrary, I think this year's ceremony is the best organized one, compared with any other previous one.
This year, they had OFFICIAL RED CARPET LIVE STREAM, which they did it for the first time. And DS was included. We fans are lucky to see John, Guy and Alan walked off the van and did an interview.
They had Klipsch for professional Audio, HBO for professional Video, Getty/Wire for professional Image.
They had a wonderful stage and functional big screens.
They had back stage interview for every band/artist.
They planned other artists to do the induction speech for this year's inductees.
The things listed above were all facts. I don't think they were unprofessional.
Yes all those things were professional and well done but still DS were inducted by none, it's some kind of revenge or at least something surely not handled professionally
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 04:20:35 PM
My only concern is, if RRHOF inducted Mark, David, John, Pick and Guy, it would be more possible for Mark to attend the ceremony, in my opionion. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the TV broadcast by HBO, because that will show my favorite band.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 18, 2018, 04:23:15 PM
Having read Alan's comments on his website, John's comments on his FB, and Guy's comments on his forum, we know they all had a great time there. It seems they did not feel being snubbed by RRHOF. I'm glad DS finally got into RRHOF. I respect MK's decision.
My only concern is, if RRHOF inducted Mark, David, John, Pick and Guy, it would be more possible for Mark to attend the ceremony, in my opionion. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the TV broadcast by HBO, because that will show my favorite band.
official comments don't constitute a proof of anything, they would never say they were embarassed by the lack of someone inducting them
Post by: allen on April 18, 2018, 04:25:59 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
Sorry, on the contrary, I think this year's ceremony is the best organized one, compared with any other previous one.
This year, they had OFFICIAL RED CARPET LIVE STREAM, which they did it for the first time. And DS was included. We fans are lucky to see John, Guy and Alan walked off the van and did an interview.
They had Klipsch for professional Audio, HBO for professional Video, Getty/Wire for professional Image.
They had a wonderful stage and functional big screens.
They had back stage interview for every band/artist.
They planned other artists to do the induction speech for this year's inductees.
The things listed above were all facts. I don't think they were unprofessional.
Yes all those things were professional and well done but still DS were inducted by none, it's some kind of revenge or at least something surely not handled professionally
Maybe here we should make it clearer.
RRHOF asked some people to do the induction speech. They did ask, and the people did accept the job initially. But the people changed their mind not to do the speech due to knowing MK's absence before the show.
RRHOF did not have enough time to find another person who could take this task in such a short time, so they contacted John. After discussion, John agreed to do the speech.
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 04:35:32 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
before this year's ceremony, I watched all the available youtube videos of RRHOF ceremonies in the past 32 years, each band or musician had someone(s) else who did induction speeches. DS was the first band that the planing people refused to do the speech just one day before the ceremony. So John wrote the speech on the morning of the ceremony.
No host during the last 32 years. RRHOF has its own formular of artists inducted by other artists. I don't think we have to blame RRHOF this time for DS self induction.
Are you serious?
Are you blaming MK for his behaviour?
No, I am not blaming MK. Where did you get this conclusion from my previous comments? No one needs to blame. Those things happen in our life. That's how life flows. Someone up to accept the offer, then turend out to change mind and refuse to do the job at the very last minute. Then because of lack of time left, we have to find other solutions.
If RRHOF did not plan to have some people to do the induction speech for DS, I would blame them! but the fact is they planned.
I was being sarcastic.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 18, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
Sorry, on the contrary, I think this year's ceremony is the best organized one, compared with any other previous one.
This year, they had OFFICIAL RED CARPET LIVE STREAM, which they did it for the first time. And DS was included. We fans are lucky to see John, Guy and Alan walked off the van and did an interview.
They had Klipsch for professional Audio, HBO for professional Video, Getty/Wire for professional Image.
They had a wonderful stage and functional big screens.
They had back stage interview for every band/artist.
They planned other artists to do the induction speech for this year's inductees.
The things listed above were all facts. I don't think they were unprofessional.
Yes all those things were professional and well done but still DS were inducted by none, it's some kind of revenge or at least something surely not handled professionally
Maybe here we should make it clearer.
RRHOF asked some people to do the induction speech. They did ask, and the people did accept the job initially. But the people changed their mind not to do the speech due to knowing MK's absence before the show.
RRHOF did not have enough time to find another person who could take this task in such a short time, so they contacted John. After discussion, John agreed to do the speech.
Inducted by none never happened in the history of RRHOF. You want to believe it casually happened only to DS ? Go ahead, but I don't believe it.
Post by: Robson on April 18, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
Post by: Jules on April 18, 2018, 07:00:59 PM
I was kind of convinced that it was just my opinion :hmm
;D ;D ;D :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Stanko on April 18, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
oh, this has come to true love will never fade now eh!"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
Source: Alan Clark official website.
I'm starting to really dislike Alan too
To me, Alan was quite polite.
Clearly a dig at Mark.
His behaviour goes like this:
Lots of digs at Mark during all the tribute band stuff.
HOF announced - AC starts sucking up to Mark, hoping he'll come to the ceremony.
MK doesn't come, back to digs again.
yes endless digs by AC
Post by: Trawlerman on April 18, 2018, 10:27:36 PM
Post by: JF on April 18, 2018, 11:20:09 PM
Does it says Dire Straits?
I was kind of convinced that it was just my opinion :hmm
;D ;D ;D :lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol
Post by: allen on April 19, 2018, 12:28:21 AM
Regarding John doing the induction. Why didnt the HOF have a host of the event who could act as backup in a situation like this? Seems very strange and like extremly lack of planning. Whoever was supposed to induct them and who pulled out last minute left the situation to be even worse than MK not attending.
Very unprofessional on the HOF promoters part.
Sorry, on the contrary, I think this year's ceremony is the best organized one, compared with any other previous one.
This year, they had OFFICIAL RED CARPET LIVE STREAM, which they did it for the first time. And DS was included. We fans are lucky to see John, Guy and Alan walked off the van and did an interview.
They had Klipsch for professional Audio, HBO for professional Video, Getty/Wire for professional Image.
They had a wonderful stage and functional big screens.
They had back stage interview for every band/artist.
They planned other artists to do the induction speech for this year's inductees.
The things listed above were all facts. I don't think they were unprofessional.
Yes all those things were professional and well done but still DS were inducted by none, it's some kind of revenge or at least something surely not handled professionally
Maybe here we should make it clearer.
RRHOF asked some people to do the induction speech. They did ask, and the people did accept the job initially. But the people changed their mind not to do the speech due to knowing MK's absence before the show.
RRHOF did not have enough time to find another person who could take this task in such a short time, so they contacted John. After discussion, John agreed to do the speech.
Inducted by none never happened in the history of RRHOF. You want to believe it casually happened only to DS ? Go ahead, but I don't believe it.
I believe what John spoke in the speech and what Guy wrote on his forum in terms of the ceremony this time. If anyone else told me this, I may not believe. I also hoped there would be a guest who did the speech for the band, not from the band.
Post by: cannibals on April 19, 2018, 12:30:52 AM
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/rock-hall-2018-why-musicians-refused-to-induct-dire-straits.html
Post by: allen on April 19, 2018, 01:15:43 AM
according to intel from Billboard, Keith Urban and Neil Young were asked but declined.
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/rock-hall-2018-why-musicians-refused-to-induct-dire-straits.html
Thanks, and a great find.
Post by: allen on April 19, 2018, 01:18:25 AM
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark, of course, who stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
to
"I was in Cleveland, Ohio being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and a great time was had by all. Except Mark who, as you're probably aware, stayed at home. John (Illsley) did an exemplary job of dealing with Mark's absence. I'm humbled by the attention and the praise I/we have received. Thanks!"
(Source: http://www.alanclarkmusic.com)
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 19, 2018, 01:35:00 AM
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 07:47:08 AM
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2018, 08:26:59 AM
But MK snubbing was also cool.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2018, 08:29:14 AM
Does it says Dire Straits?Well MY opinion is that is was pretty stupid of the HOF to use a pic showing three people who didn't turn up...
I was kind of convinced that it was just my opinion :hmm
;D ;D ;D
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Post by: JF on April 19, 2018, 08:40:16 AM
Yes, he's the new badass of the British songwriters.:lol :lol :lol
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 08:41:52 AM
Does it says Dire Straits?Well MY opinion is that is was pretty stupid of the HOF to use a pic showing three people who didn't turn up...
I was kind of convinced that it was just my opinion :hmm
;D ;D ;D
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First, Dusty, it was just a joke ;)
Secondly, I agree with you. Even the four in the picture were being inducted, only one of them was there so they might used at least a 85 or 92 picture of DS instead.
Post by: allen on April 19, 2018, 09:42:33 AM
And I think it's ok to show the original four piece band pics, and that's the way RRHOF does for every year, for all bands. John also mentioned the four piece in his speech. Why not show those four guys on screens?
Sex pistols and Dire Straits are totally different things. Mark didn't say anything. Sex pistols had a negative comment about RRHOF.
No one knows for sure the real reason(s) why MK was absent. Paul McCatney didn't show up for Beatles Induction, but he showed up for his solo induction. Eric Clapton did the same. Maybe MK will do the same.
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 09:51:03 AM
Post by: allen on April 19, 2018, 10:01:58 AM
Clapton show up for his own induction and when he was inducted with Cream, but didn't with The Yardbirds, and was a pity as Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were there, imagine the Yardbirds playing with the three at once!
Yes, that proves Eric Clapton and Paul McCatney do not have negative view towards RRHOF, but it seemed they had difficulties with ex band members. I assume Mark may have similiar situations.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2018, 10:20:32 AM
Does it says Dire Straits?Well MY opinion is that is was pretty stupid of the HOF to use a pic showing three people who didn't turn up...
I was kind of convinced that it was just my opinion :hmm
;D ;D ;D
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First, Dusty, it was just a joke ;)
Secondly, I agree with you. Even the four in the picture were being inducted, only one of them was there so they might used at least a 85 or 92 picture of DS instead.
I know it's a joke - in fact it gets funnier every time you post it!
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 10:44:51 AM
Does it says Dire Straits?Well MY opinion is that is was pretty stupid of the HOF to use a pic showing three people who didn't turn up...
I was kind of convinced that it was just my opinion :hmm
;D ;D ;D
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First, Dusty, it was just a joke ;)
Secondly, I agree with you. Even the four in the picture were being inducted, only one of them was there so they might used at least a 85 or 92 picture of DS instead.
I know it's a joke - in fact it gets funnier every time you post it!
Don't lie, it's getting boring to me as well :P but I couldn'r resist :disbelief
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
I never thought I would read such things about Dire Straits ever :disbelief I always thought that things only happens to bands where the members have big egos or are big divas :smack
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/rock-hall-2018-why-musicians-refused-to-induct-dire-straits.html
Post by: primi on April 19, 2018, 11:07:19 AM
No one knows for sure the real reason(s) why MK was absent. Paul McCatney didn't show up for Beatles Induction, but he showed up for his solo induction. Eric Clapton did the same. Maybe MK will do the same.Perhaps not related to the quoted person but some of you praise Mark for sticking the finger to HoF by not even making a comment about it let alone show up, but at the same time you'd fancy him showing up for his solo work. Where's the logic in that? It's the same HoF that's apparently not a very credible institution.
Post by: allen on April 19, 2018, 11:13:16 AM
No one knows for sure the real reason(s) why MK was absent. Paul McCatney didn't show up for Beatles Induction, but he showed up for his solo induction. Eric Clapton did the same. Maybe MK will do the same.Perhaps not related to the quoted person but some of you praise Mark for sticking the finger to HoF by not even making a comment about it let alone show up, but at the same time you'd fancy him showing up for his solo work. Where's the logic in that? It's the same HoF that's apparently not a very credible institution.
Well, I do hope he can show up in RRHOF, but if he feels uncomfortable being with those who he does not want to be with, I fully respect Mark's absence this time.
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 11:15:43 AM
No one knows for sure the real reason(s) why MK was absent. Paul McCatney didn't show up for Beatles Induction, but he showed up for his solo induction. Eric Clapton did the same. Maybe MK will do the same.Perhaps not related to the quoted person but some of you praise Mark for sticking the finger to HoF by not even making a comment about it let alone show up, but at the same time you'd fancy him showing up for his solo work. Where's the logic in that? It's the same HoF that's apparently not a very credible institution.
Many many big rock names had been inducted and attended and even played so, as an institution related to rock, some credit has...
My bet is that MK didn't want to be with David and Alan. It's not nice to meet the corpses you left behind your way to succes.
Post by: Robson on April 19, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout, but this weekend was tough"
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 12:07:22 PM
GF:
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout, but this weekend was tough"
I dare to say that John, Alan and even Guy doesn't agree with what MK has done, they have to respect it, but propably they don't agree and they don't like it.
That happens sometimes with friends, sometimes they dissapoint you not doing something you asked them to do that you thought they would had done, you keep being friends, but you can't forget it...
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2018, 12:09:08 PM
Post by: Robson on April 19, 2018, 12:26:39 PM
Post by: Marijo58 on April 19, 2018, 12:42:59 PM
I wonder if Mark told John what the real reason was but John will not say it officially :thinkI'm quite sure that JI knows the real reason why MK didn't agree to come to Cleveland but John like Guy are never going to say it!!!
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Post by: Robson on April 19, 2018, 12:49:12 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 19, 2018, 12:59:27 PM
GF:
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout, but this weekend was tough"
wow, that's pretty strong
Post by: JF on April 19, 2018, 02:21:54 PM
GF:
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout, but this weekend was tough"
wow, that's pretty strong
yes indeed, it seems that the bitterness mood is not only on fans side...
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2018, 03:36:26 PM
Or maybe the anger/frustration is on JI's side and MK doesn't give a f**k.
Post by: Love Expresso on April 19, 2018, 03:43:45 PM
LE
Post by: Robson on April 19, 2018, 03:46:23 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 19, 2018, 04:40:21 PM
If MK isn't happy with his friend JI going, as implied, I wonder what he thinks about his employee GF?
Or maybe the anger/frustration is on JI's side and MK doesn't give a f**k.
I think the 2nd, MK doesn't give a f**k and the others are frustrated
Post by: Robson on April 19, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
GF: best not
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Mark is consistent :)
Post by: cannibals on April 19, 2018, 05:39:25 PM
Post by: Robson on April 19, 2018, 05:44:36 PM
Post by: boriszhukov on April 19, 2018, 06:56:44 PM
Who knows maybe that will be that case for next year ;D
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 07:04:07 PM
Post by: ds1984 on April 19, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
Post by: cannibals on April 19, 2018, 07:51:41 PM
I could see Mk being pissed that RRHOF all of a sudden brough DS back to life in peoples minds. When he clearly has had no interest in a reformation. One could think he'd been interested if this was done in 94-96 but not now and out of nowhere. Why didn't they opt for puttig MK as a solo artist on the ballot? Is it only his work in Ds thats HOF worthy? If they'd had done that I could see him participating and even playing, maybe even with John on bass.
Who knows maybe that will be that case for next year ;D
MK went solo in 1996. Correct me if i am wrong but only after 25 years one can be inducted in the RRHOF. So MK solo will not happen before 2021.
Post by: primi on April 19, 2018, 07:55:17 PM
Why didn't they opt for puttig MK as a solo artist on the ballot? Is it only his work in Ds thats HOF worthy?That would be outrageous if they included his solo work and not DS! Maybe it's good or even better but it lacks the reach and impact DS had.
Post by: DS on April 19, 2018, 08:14:21 PM
Kramo: May I know, what was Mark honest reaction, when you gave him to his award from the RRHOF?I'm sure he threw it in the trash or something like that. By the way, this seems to suggest that his problem is with the RRHOF, not (only) with ex band members. Otherwise, why the "best not"?
GF: best not
Post by: binone on April 19, 2018, 08:19:25 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on April 19, 2018, 08:27:25 PM
Post by: Jules on April 19, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Kramo: May I know, what was Mark honest reaction, when you gave him to his award from the RRHOF?
GF: best not
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Mark is consistent :)
I'd say rude...
Post by: asouza on April 19, 2018, 10:18:34 PM
GF:
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout, but this weekend was tough"
Guy change answer:
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout."
Deleted last part. :hmm
Post by: Robson on April 19, 2018, 10:22:19 PM
Post by: border_reiver on April 19, 2018, 10:44:17 PM
Post by: DS on April 19, 2018, 11:19:17 PM
This story almost calls for popcorn!And it's funny because everyone knows what would take to stop it: a simple statement. ::)
Post by: ds1984 on April 19, 2018, 11:20:03 PM
Dire Straits disbanded without saying "goodbye" or "one last time"...even years after. Stubborn Mark but not surprising.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2018, 11:51:11 PM
This story almost calls for popcorn!And some people wanted the thread closed!
As an aside, this discussion wouldn't have been approved on the old mk-news forum. We don't claim to be perfect but discussions like this where people can express their views frankly are the very reason we established this forum.
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Post by: schmonka on April 20, 2018, 12:03:47 AM
GF being wrapped over the knuckles about "over sharing" on his page, AC - rephrasing his comments on his site....JI trying to be peacemaker.....everything goes back to MK and his can't be arsed attitude.
Im not surprised a couple of artists turned down inducting DS - when they were told MK wasn't attending. 99.9% of the music industry would know that Dire Straits WERE MK
"Oh, so who is coming from the band"?
"Just the bass player and a couple of keyboard players...."
"Mark isnt coming....?"
"No"
"Nah - i think ill pass - that sounds weird"....
Yes, John did a great job, but he shouldn't have had to - as others have said, there doesn't seem to have ever been a time where a band wasn't inducted by someone famous. Badly organised perhaps? Yes, perhaps it was - but as artists pulled out from introducing the band....the remaining options were few and far between.
MK's attitude is pretty poor. Toys and Pram come to mind, MK is unnecessary stubborn and his inflexibility and doesn't do himself any favours in situations like this. There is that great English phrase for any non English speakers here on the forum about not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Over on the official page, there is a lot of hate right now - and I can kind of see their point. Yes, it could be argued the R&RHOF is a bit cheesy, BUT it is an acknowledgement of a band's accomplishments - and as we all know MK WAS the band. Hearing that it was "tough" and a "personal decision" is all a bit "Boo-hoo" to me and i don't really care - i think its pretty disrespectful there couldn't have even been a statement. Thats all that would have been needed. Jeez, DS wasnt THAT bad for MK - it made him a millionaire, gave him a platform, and yes while the band got too big and MK called it a day - if MK didn't want that level of notoriety he should have stuck to playing in pubs! Another fantastic English proverb about having your cake and eating it too....!
It didnt even have to be that awkward with a statement, or a prerecorded thank you from MK - not even attending the event, not seeing anyone else (Skeletons in closets etc) and not playing any sort of songs.....just a common decency "Thank You"
Im not sure in all my time on this forum (and the previous forum) that have i seen MK take so much criticism - i don't know, but this MAY hurt in the longterm. Long term fans may decide that if MK cant thank them for album purchases and tour tickets.....why should they keep now lining MK's pockets with more tickets and album purchases....id be interested to see how this plays out in the long term...
Post by: PensaGhost on April 20, 2018, 12:37:46 AM
GF:
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout, but this weekend was tough"
Guy change answer:
"Mark and John have remained very close friends throughout."
Deleted last part. :hmm
yes, Guy changed it, but we got him
Post by: Rolleyway Man on April 20, 2018, 12:49:20 AM
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 20, 2018, 03:34:22 AM
This whole thing is a mess.
GF being wrapped over the knuckles about "over sharing" on his page, AC - rephrasing his comments on his site....JI trying to be peacemaker.....everything goes back to MK and his can't be arsed attitude.
Im not surprised a couple of artists turned down inducting DS - when they were told MK wasn't attending. 99.9% of the music industry would know that Dire Straits WERE MK
"Oh, so who is coming from the band"?
"Just the bass player and a couple of keyboard players...."
"Mark isnt coming....?"
"No"
"Nah - i think ill pass - that sounds weird"....
Yes, John did a great job, but he shouldn't have had to - as others have said, there doesn't seem to have ever been a time where a band wasn't inducted by someone famous. Badly organised perhaps? Yes, perhaps it was - but as artists pulled out from introducing the band....the remaining options were few and far between.
MK's attitude is pretty poor. Toys and Pram come to mind, MK is unnecessary stubborn and his inflexibility and doesn't do himself any favours in situations like this. There is that great English phrase for any non English speakers here on the forum about not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Over on the official page, there is a lot of hate right now - and I can kind of see their point. Yes, it could be argued the R&RHOF is a bit cheesy, BUT it is an acknowledgement of a band's accomplishments - and as we all know MK WAS the band. Hearing that it was "tough" and a "personal decision" is all a bit "Boo-hoo" to me and i don't really care - i think its pretty disrespectful there couldn't have even been a statement. Thats all that would have been needed. Jeez, DS wasnt THAT bad for MK - it made him a millionaire, gave him a platform, and yes while the band got too big and MK called it a day - if MK didn't want that level of notoriety he should have stuck to playing in pubs! Another fantastic English proverb about having your cake and eating it too....!
It didnt even have to be that awkward with a statement, or a prerecorded thank you from MK - not even attending the event, not seeing anyone else (Skeletons in closets etc) and not playing any sort of songs.....just a common decency "Thank You"
Im not sure in all my time on this forum (and the previous forum) that have i seen MK take so much criticism - i don't know, but this MAY hurt in the longterm. Long term fans may decide that if MK cant thank them for album purchases and tour tickets.....why should they keep now lining MK's pockets with more tickets and album purchases....id be interested to see how this plays out in the long term...
Maybe it's just me, but it really doesn't bother me that he didn't show. As long as he keeps putting out quality music and continues to tour, I'm happy.
Post by: schmonka on April 20, 2018, 04:03:31 AM
This whole thing is a mess.
GF being wrapped over the knuckles about "over sharing" on his page, AC - rephrasing his comments on his site....JI trying to be peacemaker.....everything goes back to MK and his can't be arsed attitude.
Im not surprised a couple of artists turned down inducting DS - when they were told MK wasn't attending. 99.9% of the music industry would know that Dire Straits WERE MK
"Oh, so who is coming from the band"?
"Just the bass player and a couple of keyboard players...."
"Mark isnt coming....?"
"No"
"Nah - i think ill pass - that sounds weird"....
Yes, John did a great job, but he shouldn't have had to - as others have said, there doesn't seem to have ever been a time where a band wasn't inducted by someone famous. Badly organised perhaps? Yes, perhaps it was - but as artists pulled out from introducing the band....the remaining options were few and far between.
MK's attitude is pretty poor. Toys and Pram come to mind, MK is unnecessary stubborn and his inflexibility and doesn't do himself any favours in situations like this. There is that great English phrase for any non English speakers here on the forum about not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Over on the official page, there is a lot of hate right now - and I can kind of see their point. Yes, it could be argued the R&RHOF is a bit cheesy, BUT it is an acknowledgement of a band's accomplishments - and as we all know MK WAS the band. Hearing that it was "tough" and a "personal decision" is all a bit "Boo-hoo" to me and i don't really care - i think its pretty disrespectful there couldn't have even been a statement. Thats all that would have been needed. Jeez, DS wasnt THAT bad for MK - it made him a millionaire, gave him a platform, and yes while the band got too big and MK called it a day - if MK didn't want that level of notoriety he should have stuck to playing in pubs! Another fantastic English proverb about having your cake and eating it too....!
It didnt even have to be that awkward with a statement, or a prerecorded thank you from MK - not even attending the event, not seeing anyone else (Skeletons in closets etc) and not playing any sort of songs.....just a common decency "Thank You"
Im not sure in all my time on this forum (and the previous forum) that have i seen MK take so much criticism - i don't know, but this MAY hurt in the longterm. Long term fans may decide that if MK cant thank them for album purchases and tour tickets.....why should they keep now lining MK's pockets with more tickets and album purchases....id be interested to see how this plays out in the long term...
Maybe it's just me, but it really doesn't bother me that he didn't show. As long as he keeps putting out quality music and continues to tour, I'm happy.
Its awesome it doesn't bother you, unfortunately looking at the comments on the main site and the wider internet community, and many of the comments here....this situation has affected a lot of people - it REALLY didn't have to be like this. Its like he went out of his way to pretend to be an ostrich and leave his head in the sand...!
I think the quality music will still be there for a few more albums yet, I just wonder if this feeling could bubble on in the background and leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
Post by: basilbunting1108 on April 20, 2018, 04:15:21 AM
This whole thing is a mess.
GF being wrapped over the knuckles about "over sharing" on his page, AC - rephrasing his comments on his site....JI trying to be peacemaker.....everything goes back to MK and his can't be arsed attitude.
Im not surprised a couple of artists turned down inducting DS - when they were told MK wasn't attending. 99.9% of the music industry would know that Dire Straits WERE MK
"Oh, so who is coming from the band"?
"Just the bass player and a couple of keyboard players...."
"Mark isnt coming....?"
"No"
"Nah - i think ill pass - that sounds weird"....
Yes, John did a great job, but he shouldn't have had to - as others have said, there doesn't seem to have ever been a time where a band wasn't inducted by someone famous. Badly organised perhaps? Yes, perhaps it was - but as artists pulled out from introducing the band....the remaining options were few and far between.
MK's attitude is pretty poor. Toys and Pram come to mind, MK is unnecessary stubborn and his inflexibility and doesn't do himself any favours in situations like this. There is that great English phrase for any non English speakers here on the forum about not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Over on the official page, there is a lot of hate right now - and I can kind of see their point. Yes, it could be argued the R&RHOF is a bit cheesy, BUT it is an acknowledgement of a band's accomplishments - and as we all know MK WAS the band. Hearing that it was "tough" and a "personal decision" is all a bit "Boo-hoo" to me and i don't really care - i think its pretty disrespectful there couldn't have even been a statement. Thats all that would have been needed. Jeez, DS wasnt THAT bad for MK - it made him a millionaire, gave him a platform, and yes while the band got too big and MK called it a day - if MK didn't want that level of notoriety he should have stuck to playing in pubs! Another fantastic English proverb about having your cake and eating it too....!
It didnt even have to be that awkward with a statement, or a prerecorded thank you from MK - not even attending the event, not seeing anyone else (Skeletons in closets etc) and not playing any sort of songs.....just a common decency "Thank You"
Im not sure in all my time on this forum (and the previous forum) that have i seen MK take so much criticism - i don't know, but this MAY hurt in the longterm. Long term fans may decide that if MK cant thank them for album purchases and tour tickets.....why should they keep now lining MK's pockets with more tickets and album purchases....id be interested to see how this plays out in the long term...
Maybe it's just me, but it really doesn't bother me that he didn't show. As long as he keeps putting out quality music and continues to tour, I'm happy.
Its awesome it doesn't bother you, unfortunately looking at the comments on the main site and the wider internet community, and many of the comments here....this situation has affected a lot of people - it REALLY didn't have to be like this. Its like he went out of his way to pretend to be an ostrich and leave his head in the sand...!
I think the quality music will still be there for a few more albums yet, I just wonder if this feeling could bubble on in the background and leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
Do you think he's got a few more albums in him? The guy's almost 70...
Post by: schmonka on April 20, 2018, 04:31:29 AM
This whole thing is a mess.
GF being wrapped over the knuckles about "over sharing" on his page, AC - rephrasing his comments on his site....JI trying to be peacemaker.....everything goes back to MK and his can't be arsed attitude.
Im not surprised a couple of artists turned down inducting DS - when they were told MK wasn't attending. 99.9% of the music industry would know that Dire Straits WERE MK
"Oh, so who is coming from the band"?
"Just the bass player and a couple of keyboard players...."
"Mark isnt coming....?"
"No"
"Nah - i think ill pass - that sounds weird"....
Yes, John did a great job, but he shouldn't have had to - as others have said, there doesn't seem to have ever been a time where a band wasn't inducted by someone famous. Badly organised perhaps? Yes, perhaps it was - but as artists pulled out from introducing the band....the remaining options were few and far between.
MK's attitude is pretty poor. Toys and Pram come to mind, MK is unnecessary stubborn and his inflexibility and doesn't do himself any favours in situations like this. There is that great English phrase for any non English speakers here on the forum about not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Over on the official page, there is a lot of hate right now - and I can kind of see their point. Yes, it could be argued the R&RHOF is a bit cheesy, BUT it is an acknowledgement of a band's accomplishments - and as we all know MK WAS the band. Hearing that it was "tough" and a "personal decision" is all a bit "Boo-hoo" to me and i don't really care - i think its pretty disrespectful there couldn't have even been a statement. Thats all that would have been needed. Jeez, DS wasnt THAT bad for MK - it made him a millionaire, gave him a platform, and yes while the band got too big and MK called it a day - if MK didn't want that level of notoriety he should have stuck to playing in pubs! Another fantastic English proverb about having your cake and eating it too....!
It didnt even have to be that awkward with a statement, or a prerecorded thank you from MK - not even attending the event, not seeing anyone else (Skeletons in closets etc) and not playing any sort of songs.....just a common decency "Thank You"
Im not sure in all my time on this forum (and the previous forum) that have i seen MK take so much criticism - i don't know, but this MAY hurt in the longterm. Long term fans may decide that if MK cant thank them for album purchases and tour tickets.....why should they keep now lining MK's pockets with more tickets and album purchases....id be interested to see how this plays out in the long term...
Maybe it's just me, but it really doesn't bother me that he didn't show. As long as he keeps putting out quality music and continues to tour, I'm happy.
Its awesome it doesn't bother you, unfortunately looking at the comments on the main site and the wider internet community, and many of the comments here....this situation has affected a lot of people - it REALLY didn't have to be like this. Its like he went out of his way to pretend to be an ostrich and leave his head in the sand...!
I think the quality music will still be there for a few more albums yet, I just wonder if this feeling could bubble on in the background and leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
Do you think he's got a few more albums in him? The guy's almost 70...
Yeah, I think so....BB King for example was rocking well into his 80's....
Post by: Pottel on April 20, 2018, 07:11:19 AM
Agree.This whole thing is a mess.
GF being wrapped over the knuckles about "over sharing" on his page, AC - rephrasing his comments on his site....JI trying to be peacemaker.....everything goes back to MK and his can't be arsed attitude.
Im not surprised a couple of artists turned down inducting DS - when they were told MK wasn't attending. 99.9% of the music industry would know that Dire Straits WERE MK
"Oh, so who is coming from the band"?
"Just the bass player and a couple of keyboard players...."
"Mark isnt coming....?"
"No"
"Nah - i think ill pass - that sounds weird"....
Yes, John did a great job, but he shouldn't have had to - as others have said, there doesn't seem to have ever been a time where a band wasn't inducted by someone famous. Badly organised perhaps? Yes, perhaps it was - but as artists pulled out from introducing the band....the remaining options were few and far between.
MK's attitude is pretty poor. Toys and Pram come to mind, MK is unnecessary stubborn and his inflexibility and doesn't do himself any favours in situations like this. There is that great English phrase for any non English speakers here on the forum about not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Over on the official page, there is a lot of hate right now - and I can kind of see their point. Yes, it could be argued the R&RHOF is a bit cheesy, BUT it is an acknowledgement of a band's accomplishments - and as we all know MK WAS the band. Hearing that it was "tough" and a "personal decision" is all a bit "Boo-hoo" to me and i don't really care - i think its pretty disrespectful there couldn't have even been a statement. Thats all that would have been needed. Jeez, DS wasnt THAT bad for MK - it made him a millionaire, gave him a platform, and yes while the band got too big and MK called it a day - if MK didn't want that level of notoriety he should have stuck to playing in pubs! Another fantastic English proverb about having your cake and eating it too....!
It didnt even have to be that awkward with a statement, or a prerecorded thank you from MK - not even attending the event, not seeing anyone else (Skeletons in closets etc) and not playing any sort of songs.....just a common decency "Thank You"
Im not sure in all my time on this forum (and the previous forum) that have i seen MK take so much criticism - i don't know, but this MAY hurt in the longterm. Long term fans may decide that if MK cant thank them for album purchases and tour tickets.....why should they keep now lining MK's pockets with more tickets and album purchases....id be interested to see how this plays out in the long term...
Maybe it's just me, but it really doesn't bother me that he didn't show. As long as he keeps putting out quality music and continues to tour, I'm happy.
Also, so many people complained on here every year that the straits were still not inducted, year after year. Now they are just leave it at that
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Post by: olazabalrok on April 20, 2018, 08:56:57 AM
Post by: border_reiver on April 20, 2018, 09:02:22 AM
This story almost calls for popcorn!And some people wanted the thread closed!
As an aside, this discussion wouldn't have been approved on the old mk-news forum. We don't claim to be perfect but discussions like this where people can express their views frankly are the very reason we established this forum.
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What?
The whole untold yet slightly visible intrigued story is what I'm talking about. Not the discussion here.
Post by: superval99 on April 20, 2018, 09:05:14 AM
This one simple act of not explaining his absence, or even thanking the HoF, has done more to bring him publicity with the media than almost anything else. I doubt it was by design, but it has happened anyway and I'm sure he will have to deal with it in the near future - new album, musical, etc - the musical press will have a field day!
As someone said somewhere - bad publicity is better than no publicity, but I don't think MK would want it at the moment.
I always said that I would be an MK fan until I die and that still stands. I love his music, it has been with me since the first time I heard it in 1982, but it will be difficult to forget what has happened, especially the hurt he has caused Guy and John, for whom I feel so sorry - I can only imagine how they feel and I sincerely hope they will all still be friends. I have never thought MK was an angel who could do no wrong, definitely not, rather he is in my mind a genius, but a very flawed genius and I have always accepted that.
I am now looking forward to the new album and tour and also the musical and I hope it will help erase, to some extent, what has happened.
Post by: allen on April 20, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
If I asked everyone in my street if they knew who Mark Knopfler was, I know that I would get a blank look from them, because most people I know do not know who he is. He has always been one of the most famous unknown rock stars and has never courted publicity and that's how he liked it, that's what I thought anyway, until now!
This one simple act of not explaining his absence, or even thanking the RoF, has done more to bring him publicity with the media than almost anything else. I doubt it was by design, but it has happened anyway and I'm sure he will have to deal with it in the near future - new album, musical, etc - the musical press will have a field day!
As someone said somewhere - bad publicity is better than no publicity, but I don't think MK would want it at the moment.
I always said that I would be an MK fan until I die and that still stands. I love his music, it has been with me since the first time I heard it in 1982, but it will be difficult to forget what has happened, especially the hurt he has caused Guy and John, for whom I feel so sorry - I can only imagine how they feel and I sincerely hope they will all still be friends. I have never thought MK was an angel who could do no wrong, definitely not, rather he is in my mind a genius, but a very flawed genius and I have always accepted that.
I am now looking forward to the new album and tour and also the musical and I hope it will help erase, to some extent, what has happened.
Well said, and agree with you. I need to see him in his next tour.
Post by: Robson on April 20, 2018, 10:20:34 AM
This whole thing is a mess.
GF being wrapped over the knuckles about "over sharing" on his page, AC - rephrasing his comments on his site....JI trying to be peacemaker.....everything goes back to MK and his can't be arsed attitude.
Im not surprised a couple of artists turned down inducting DS - when they were told MK wasn't attending. 99.9% of the music industry would know that Dire Straits WERE MK
"Oh, so who is coming from the band"?
"Just the bass player and a couple of keyboard players...."
"Mark isnt coming....?"
"No"
"Nah - i think ill pass - that sounds weird"....
Yes, John did a great job, but he shouldn't have had to - as others have said, there doesn't seem to have ever been a time where a band wasn't inducted by someone famous. Badly organised perhaps? Yes, perhaps it was - but as artists pulled out from introducing the band....the remaining options were few and far between.
MK's attitude is pretty poor. Toys and Pram come to mind, MK is unnecessary stubborn and his inflexibility and doesn't do himself any favours in situations like this. There is that great English phrase for any non English speakers here on the forum about not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Over on the official page, there is a lot of hate right now - and I can kind of see their point. Yes, it could be argued the R&RHOF is a bit cheesy, BUT it is an acknowledgement of a band's accomplishments - and as we all know MK WAS the band. Hearing that it was "tough" and a "personal decision" is all a bit "Boo-hoo" to me and i don't really care - i think its pretty disrespectful there couldn't have even been a statement. Thats all that would have been needed. Jeez, DS wasnt THAT bad for MK - it made him a millionaire, gave him a platform, and yes while the band got too big and MK called it a day - if MK didn't want that level of notoriety he should have stuck to playing in pubs! Another fantastic English proverb about having your cake and eating it too....!
It didnt even have to be that awkward with a statement, or a prerecorded thank you from MK - not even attending the event, not seeing anyone else (Skeletons in closets etc) and not playing any sort of songs.....just a common decency "Thank You"
Im not sure in all my time on this forum (and the previous forum) that have i seen MK take so much criticism - i don't know, but this MAY hurt in the longterm. Long term fans may decide that if MK cant thank them for album purchases and tour tickets.....why should they keep now lining MK's pockets with more tickets and album purchases....id be interested to see how this plays out in the long term...
Maybe it's just me, but it really doesn't bother me that he didn't show. As long as he keeps putting out quality music and continues to tour, I'm happy.
Exactly. For me too. Mark intrigue me yet more. Maybe I'm strange but 'life is strange' ;)
Post by: border_reiver on April 20, 2018, 10:21:35 AM
This one simple act of not explaining his absence, or even thanking the RoF, has done more to bring him publicity with the media than almost anything else. I doubt it was by design, but it has happened anyway and I'm sure he will have to deal with it in the near future - new album, musical, etc - the musical press will have a field day!
This!
He will probably have to live with these questions during promotions for new things and it might not be a pretty picture.
Doesn't matter how many microphones that were used or extended flute solos that he wants to lift. He and the management will have to suffocate questions if there is going to be any interviews at all.
Post by: Rolleyway Man on April 20, 2018, 10:33:53 AM
Post by: JF on April 20, 2018, 10:34:47 AM
If he wants to avoid questions, can he release a new album, going on a new tour, a musical etc... without any interview/promotion ?
I guess it will be tough during next months for his management...
Post by: Robson on April 20, 2018, 11:01:44 AM
"He’s incommunicado no comment to make
He’s saying nothing at all"
it on surely change :)
Post by: Jules on April 20, 2018, 11:04:03 AM
The easiest thing would had been send a brief note and that would had been avoided what's coming...
Post by: superval99 on April 20, 2018, 11:07:11 AM
I broadly agree with what Val has said. Personally I couldn’t give a rat’s arse about the Hall of Fame (though I certainly don’t begrudge Dire Straits being inducted) but I am more concerned as to how all of this might have affected MK’s relationship with the likes of Guy and John. Guy did say on his forum yesterday that the event ‘hasn’t changed a thing’, and I very much hope that is indeed the case so we can all move on from here and eventually put all of this unpleasantness behind us.
I agree with you, Rolleywayman, I couldn't give a damn about the HoF, but I am concerned about the fallout it will create with the press and relationships with John and Guy. It would have been so easy for MK to have just made a statement that he couldn't attend because of pressure of work, etc, but it is the absolute silence that is so bewildering! :hmm
Post by: Jules on April 20, 2018, 11:30:50 AM
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/rockhall-induction-weekend-2018/
Post by: playhurt4 on April 20, 2018, 02:34:14 PM
Where does the contempt for one's own fans come from...? The hatred for the 'twiddly bits'?
Post by: cannibals on April 20, 2018, 02:45:59 PM
This story almost calls for popcorn!And some people wanted the thread closed!
As an aside, this discussion wouldn't have been approved on the old mk-news forum. We don't claim to be perfect but discussions like this where people can express their views frankly are the very reason we established this forum.
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A few days i indeed thought it was the best. Wel not closing but perhaps just to let it be..... but i see the story goes on, Nothing wrong with that. I will be reading this thread and post if i want to :wave
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 20, 2018, 04:35:49 PM
First of all, I may now form a definite opinion about Guy, and it’s a great one. What has happened over the last couple of weeks helped me figure him out and what a true gentleman and incredible human being the man is. I’ll never read his answers the same way again. I get it now.
And what to say about John? Wow! Pure class.
Regarding Mark, when even Guy and John give away clear signs of disappointment and dissatisfaction you better be damn sure the line has been crossed. Mark’s awkwardness has reached unacceptable levels and caused embarrassment to two of his closest friends. Those guys deserved better.
I’m not saying Mark should’ve shown up and performed just to please Guy and John but releasing an official statement right off the bat and recording a thank you little video for the ceremony as any normal person would do would have done the job. He’d still be perceived as an eccentric and reclusive rockstar but would have avoided being considered an a-hole like most people see him now.
Anyway, it’s good to be back.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 20, 2018, 04:50:44 PM
Post by: dmg on April 20, 2018, 07:50:23 PM
As for Alan, he behaved quite well. You could tell he was about to go off and say something more incisive but he stayed cool. Good on him.
He knew Guy would deck him! 👊
Post by: Trawlerman on April 20, 2018, 09:24:58 PM
I broadly agree with what Val has said. Personally I couldn’t give a rat’s arse about the Hall of Fame (though I certainly don’t begrudge Dire Straits being inducted) but I am more concerned as to how all of this might have affected MK’s relationship with the likes of Guy and John. Guy did say on his forum yesterday that the event ‘hasn’t changed a thing’, and I very much hope that is indeed the case so we can all move on from here and eventually put all of this unpleasantness behind us.
I agree with you, Rolleywayman, I couldn't give a damn about the HoF, but I am concerned about the fallout it will create with the press and relationships with John and Guy. It would have been so easy for MK to have just made a statement that he couldn't attend because of pressure of work, etc, but it is the absolute silence that is so bewildering! :hmm
Guys are probably fine.
Keep in mind they're where they are because of MK. Which means no MK, no RnRHoF induction in the first place.
Post by: Stanko on April 20, 2018, 09:31:00 PM
i couldn't resist but dying lol here! :DAs for Alan, he behaved quite well. You could tell he was about to go off and say something more incisive but he stayed cool. Good on him.
He knew Guy would deck him! 👊
Post by: Stanko on April 20, 2018, 09:33:39 PM
Must be difficult for MK - as with the tribute stuff it's something that he can't control and that seems to frustrate him.i wouldn't not bet on that!
;)
Post by: Stanko on April 20, 2018, 09:41:50 PM
Kramo: May I know, what was Mark honest reaction, when you gave him to his award from the RRHOF?
GF: best not
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Mark is consistent :)
I'd say rude...
yes, you could say it's rude but depends on what is the angle from you are looking at.
Post by: Stanko on April 20, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
Totally punk rock was the Sex Pistols calling the HOF a piss stain.Yes.
But MK snubbing was also cool.
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and I love this sense of humour either!
Post by: Robson on April 21, 2018, 01:09:12 AM
Offensive about MK on the official MK website? What's happening??? World and people... :hmm
Post by: schmonka on April 21, 2018, 01:44:10 AM
God, I'm reading comments on mk.com ...
Offensive about MK on the official MK website? What's happening??? World and people... :hmm
mmm - Agreed. Mk's lack of attendance seems to have really hit a nerve with the American fans (or ex fans as they may be now!)
Post by: Hoops McCann on April 21, 2018, 02:58:17 AM
This has caused much more negative press in the US than in Europe so I wonder how the next possible US tour or promo of the new album will be affected?
I gather most have realized that if they have the desire to see and hear Mark play guitar, that's one thing they won't be able to do at the R&R HOF. :P
This whole event will be of little consequence to a future US tour.
Post by: allen on April 21, 2018, 04:14:09 AM
Cleveland, 14 April 2018
1. John Illsley makes acceptance speech
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Cleveland, 14 April 2018
2. SOUNDBITE (English) John Illsley/Recording Artist:
"Well, you know, it's been a tricky sort of journey, this one, but I think that we all agreed that we should come here and represent the band, and just basically get on with it really."
SOUNDBITE (English) Guy Fletcher/Recording Artist:
"And to say thanks, especially to the fans who kind of got us here."
John Illsley: "Yeah, I mean, nothing happens without the people coming out and seeing you play buying the music, even now they buy on the on the download thing, the Spotify thing, or whatever it is you got over here. And so, somebody has got to actually sort of commit themselves to something, you know, and go to the journey with you."
(Reporter: "Did you wish that you guys could perform here?)
John Illsley: "I would like to have performed here."
Guy Fletcher: "I would love to have performed."
John Illsley: "Maybe we will one day. Surprise everybody. You never know."
HBO
Cleveland, 14 April 2018
3. John Illsley talks about Mark Knopfler
MARK KNOPFLER SKIPS ROCK HALL CEREMMONY AS DIRE STRAITS INDUCTED
When plans fell through to find the right person to induct Dire Straits into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on Saturday (14 APRIL 2018), bassist John Illsley asked if he could do it. Illsley says he wrote his speech in 15 minutes and had to read it because he didn't have time to memorize it. Frontman Mark Knopfler and guitarist David Knopfler did not attend. Illsley says the other members of the band agreed to "come here and represent the band and just basically get on with it, really." Illsley and keyboard player Guy Fletcher say they would have loved to have performed at their induction, but they did not.
Known for a plethora of hits, including "Money for Nothing," "Sultans of Swing," and "Romeo and Juliet," Dire Straits gained entry into the Rock Hall on their first attempt.
Post by: schmonka on April 21, 2018, 04:18:38 AM
This has caused much more negative press in the US than in Europe so I wonder how the next possible US tour or promo of the new album will be affected?
I gather most have realized that if they have the desire to see and hear Mark play guitar, that's one thing they won't be able to do at the R&R HOF. :P
This whole event will be of little consequence to a future US tour.
Respectfully, I dont think is guaranteed MK will get away scott-free from this.
Within the press circles there is a mixture of bewilderment and more than a couple of hints of MK being ungrateful....(a sentiment echoed in the many fan comments sections for various websites)
Within fan circles, again......bewilderment right through to outright anger at MK's actions.
People aren't daft, they will remember and could well view MK's future albums and tours with a different take.
Big chunks of MK's loyal fanbase could (from an interest perspective) buy the new album.....BUT the stinger is when it comes to tour tickets. How many of those people already disgruntled with MK's "contempt for fans" will not choose to buy tickets as (and this is another gripe with MK) is the static set-lists and the think to themselves..."Why would i want to hear Speedway of Nazareth" for the 8000th time.....?
Post by: allen on April 21, 2018, 09:31:43 AM
Post by: herlock on April 21, 2018, 11:11:51 AM
We have an expression in France that says "to be drowned in a glass of water" that seems to apply here.
Sure, it would have been nice to have MK here says few words for a reunion.
Sure, John did a really fine and classy job in an awkward situation.
But frankly...
What is the legitimacy of this RRHOF thing to dictate the future of an artist ?!
Out of proportion...
Post by: Rolleyway Man on April 21, 2018, 11:51:36 AM
Reading all this trala, I am quite puzzled really.
We have an expression in France that says "to be drowned in a glass of water" that seems to apply here.
Sure, it would have been nice to have MK here says few words for a reunion.
Sure, John did a really fine and classy job in an awkward situation.
But frankly...
What is the legitimacy of this RRHOF thing to dictate the future of an artist ?!
Out of proporiton....
Indeed.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 21, 2018, 12:13:36 PM
God, I'm reading comments on mk.com ...
Offensive about MK on the official MK website? What's happening??? World and people... :hmm
Yes many negative comments
http://www.markknopfler.com/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/
This is exactly what happens when you don't show up and don't even release an official comment explaining what's going on
Post by: ds1984 on April 21, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
(Storm in a glass of water?)
Post by: herlock on April 21, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
Post by: Rolleyway Man on April 21, 2018, 03:39:43 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 21, 2018, 04:46:03 PM
Some of the comments on the website are verging on the ridiculous. I know people are disappointed but there is no need for that sort of unpleasantness. This is the problem with the internet and social media - people feel empowered to spout whatever vitriol they like behind the safety of a computer screen.
That’s called frustration combined with free speech. I wouldn’t write anything there but being quite honest here Mark will never see my money again.
Post by: herlock on April 21, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
To be quite honest I don't give a s*** about the RROH fuss and I'll be quite happy to continue spending my money on MK just like before, should he decide to go on of course.Some of the comments on the website are verging on the ridiculous. I know people are disappointed but there is no need for that sort of unpleasantness. This is the problem with the internet and social media - people feel empowered to spout whatever vitriol they like behind the safety of a computer screen.
That’s called frustration combined with free speech. I wouldn’t write anything there but being quite honest here Mark will never see my money again.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 21, 2018, 05:10:53 PM
Post by: herlock on April 21, 2018, 05:16:31 PM
I couldn’t care less about the HOF itself. That’s not my point.Well I care neither about the RROH itself nor about the fuss about it - that's why I wrote "RROH fuss".
I care about the music, studio and live, past and hopefully future.
Rejecting Mark because of his attitude re RROH is as pointless as it would have been to reject Stanley Kubrick, assuming he would have refused to go to festival de Cannes...
Kubrick's movies will outlive Cannes.
Mark's music will outlive RROH. The songs will stand the test of time, as John put it nicely.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 21, 2018, 05:23:02 PM
I couldn’t care less about the HOF itself. That’s not my point.Well I care neither about the RROH itself bit about the fuss about it - that's why I wrote "RROH fuss".
I care about the music, studio and live, past and hopefully future.
Rejecting Mark because of his attitude re RROH is as pointless as it would have been to reject Stanley Kubrick, assuming it would have refused to go to festival de Cannes...
Kubrick's movies will outlive Cannes.
Mark's music will outlive RROH. The songs will stand the test of time, as John put it nicely
As I have said many times here, not attending was not the problem. And I didn’t say I wouldn’t listen to his forthcoming albums. I’m just not buying any. I’ve been a loyal fan forever, buying every official album and VHS/DVD he’s released. From now on I’ll simply download everything.
Post by: superval99 on April 21, 2018, 06:19:08 PM
God, I'm reading comments on mk.com ...
Offensive about MK on the official MK website? What's happening??? World and people... :hmm
Yes many negative comments
http://www.markknopfler.com/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/
This is exactly what happens when you don't show up and don't even release an official comment explaining what's going on
Yes, but from the 44 comments at the moment, 34 are from only 3 people. The person commenting most with 18!
Post by: superval99 on April 21, 2018, 06:30:46 PM
To be quite honest I don't give a s*** about the RROH fuss and I'll be quite happy to continue spending my money on MK just like before, should he decide to go on of course.Some of the comments on the website are verging on the ridiculous. I know people are disappointed but there is no need for that sort of unpleasantness. This is the problem with the internet and social media - people feel empowered to spout whatever vitriol they like behind the safety of a computer screen.
That’s called frustration combined with free speech. I wouldn’t write anything there but being quite honest here Mark will never see my money again.
I'll still be there at as many shows as I can as long as I'm able and I'll continue buying MK albums, as usual, for as long as he is still active. The RROF thing won't put me off one iota! Otherwise I would be cutting off my nose to spite my face! :)
Post by: Robson on April 21, 2018, 06:36:36 PM
To be quite honest I don't give a s*** about the RROH fuss and I'll be quite happy to continue spending my money on MK just like before, should he decide to go on of course.Some of the comments on the website are verging on the ridiculous. I know people are disappointed but there is no need for that sort of unpleasantness. This is the problem with the internet and social media - people feel empowered to spout whatever vitriol they like behind the safety of a computer screen.
That’s called frustration combined with free speech. I wouldn’t write anything there but being quite honest here Mark will never see my money again.
I'll still be there at as many shows as I can as long as I'm able and I'll continue buying MK albums, as usual, for as long as he is still active. The RROF thing won't put me off one iota! Otherwise I would be cutting off my nose to spite my face! :)
:thumbsup :)
Post by: Robson on April 21, 2018, 06:45:56 PM
I couldn’t care less about the HOF itself. That’s not my point.Well I care neither about the RROH itself nor about the fuss about it - that's why I wrote "RROH fuss".
I care about the music, studio and live, past and hopefully future.
Rejecting Mark because of his attitude re RROH is as pointless as it would have been to reject Stanley Kubrick, assuming he would have refused to go to festival de Cannes...
Kubrick's movies will outlive Cannes.
Mark's music will outlive RROH. The songs will stand the test of time, as John put it nicely.
:thumbsup Mark Knopfler - Mighty Man
RnRHoF it's too small :)
Post by: dmg on April 21, 2018, 09:21:33 PM
The only quibble I have is that he didn't issue an official statement. Nothing to put me off at all.
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 21, 2018, 11:03:32 PM
Excellent point Val.God, I'm reading comments on mk.com ...
Offensive about MK on the official MK website? What's happening??? World and people... :hmm
Yes many negative comments
http://www.markknopfler.com/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/
This is exactly what happens when you don't show up and don't even release an official comment explaining what's going on
Yes, but from the 44 comments at the moment, 34 are from only 3 people. The person commenting most with 18!
It's not like MK killed someone. Most normal fans know nothing of this controversy.
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Post by: Stanko on April 21, 2018, 11:24:35 PM
Post by: crimmer on April 22, 2018, 12:35:33 AM
but.....
why does mark have to give a an official statement??,
if he doesn't want to go, he doesn't have to go
end of guys. :)
if he feels uncomfortable in those situations , it doesn't mean he doesn't appreciate the award
at the end of the day ,were all just looking forward to the next the next album and next time we can see him play live ,
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 22, 2018, 01:00:57 AM
The thing with these pathetic comments on the official site is that we must bear in mind that we will hear most from those with displeasure. Those people completely happy with Mark are unlikely to comment at all so we have a tiny percentage of dissatisfied fans complaining on there.
The only quibble I have is that he didn't issue an official statement. Nothing to put me off at all.
Exactly my point. All he had to do was to drop a few lines as soon as the induction was announced and everything would be just fine. Then a little thank you video to be presented at the ceremony to wrap it up. As I said, when John and Guy openly express their disappointment that’s because you really did screw up.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 22, 2018, 01:49:35 AM
To me, this thing called Blah-Blah Hall Of Fame is useless, because fame isn't cool. I think Hollywood with its Walk Of Fame did a much better job in immortalizing people's achievements. At least it's a real monument in stone available for fans, and not a some kind of a figurine you're supposed to put on a shelf like a gym teacher in school.
This award is for fans. Okay, I get it, so... What I get out of this? Literally nothing. All I get as a fan is this line in Wikipedia: "The band were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2018." and this is literally IT. Dire Straits had more songs than the number of characters is in this statement.
Personally I'm not a fan of all this hype around DS. I'm not a fan of "Sultans Of Swing", because this thing got so overplayed and overhyped that sometimes this song makes me think about Dire Straits as a one-hit wonder. Sultans Of Swing, Sultans Of Swing, Sultans Of Swing, Sultans Of Swing. Put Sultans Of Swing in the title of your video and you're guaranteed to get views on YouTube. Play it on any instrument possible, make an instrumental out of this melody-less rap-rock song, yeah.
I feel bad that one of the best bands out there gets one of the worst treatments out there as well. I think tribute bands can play better, I think ex-band members can behave better, I think the record companies can do better with all the official material available and release better compilations with real treats for fans.
I can go on and on, but it amazes me that each year DS as a brand (!) gives me more headaches than happiness.
Post by: Rolleyway Man on April 22, 2018, 03:36:28 AM
Excellent point Val.God, I'm reading comments on mk.com ...
Offensive about MK on the official MK website? What's happening??? World and people... :hmm
Yes many negative comments
http://www.markknopfler.com/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/
This is exactly what happens when you don't show up and don't even release an official comment explaining what's going on
Yes, but from the 44 comments at the moment, 34 are from only 3 people. The person commenting most with 18!
It's not like MK killed someone. Most normal fans know nothing of this controversy.
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Agreed. Most people outside of the immediate fan base probably won’t even know that Dire Straits are now in the Hall of Fame. I only know of about three bands that are in there myself. It really makes very little, if any difference to how the band will be perceived. And in all reality, most people are aware of Dire Straits, but are considerably less likely to have heard of Mark Knopfler so if any damage has occurred here in terms of public perception, it is probably quite limited.
Post by: Wailing on April 22, 2018, 03:53:56 AM
Post by: hunter on April 22, 2018, 04:27:00 AM
Post by: PensaGhost on April 22, 2018, 01:17:20 PM
The thing with these pathetic comments on the official site is that we must bear in mind that we will hear most from those with displeasure. Those people completely happy with Mark are unlikely to comment at all so we have a tiny percentage of dissatisfied fans complaining on there.
The only quibble I have is that he didn't issue an official statement. Nothing to put me off at all.
Surely they are too harsh but I wouldn't underestimate them, if there are 'only' 40-50 negative comments it doesn't mean they are the only unsatisfied fans in the world
Post by: mschaap on April 22, 2018, 08:03:30 PM
Having said all that, another thing I admired MK for is him generally coming across as a very well mannered, polite and humble person. Of course he wasn't going to show up at RRHF and play in some reunion DS line-up and the reasoning that he somehow owes something (like that) to his fans is total bullocks imho. But as others have said in various ways, just being a slighly warm and well mannered person he should have politely responded somehow....
Post by: Dutchessy on April 22, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
Just as an aside: Any chance the word "Hall" could be added to the title of this thread?
The thread started with 'hall' included. I placed it back in this post. Maybe its ok from now on
Post by: hunter on April 23, 2018, 10:14:59 AM
Just as an aside: Any chance the word "Hall" could be added to the title of this thread?
The thread started with 'hall' included. I placed it back in this post. Maybe its ok from now on
Thanks for that.
Post by: skydiver on April 23, 2018, 12:29:40 PM
If the real reasons are personal problems with Alan and David, then it is understandable to not drag them into the public light, especially given the private person Mark is.
If he would put forward other reasons people would attack him for being dishonest.
So remaining silent is probably not the worst thing under these sad circumstances.
Post by: Robson on April 23, 2018, 12:52:03 PM
Why no little statement?
If the real reasons are personal problems with Alan and David, then it is understandable to not drag them into the public light, especially given the private person Mark is.
If he would put forward other reasons people would attack him for being dishonest.
So remaining silent is probably not the worst thing under these sad circumstances.
Good point.
Post by: Robson on April 23, 2018, 12:56:31 PM
Dire Straits Bassist John Illsley on Mark Knopfler's No-Show for Rock Hall Induction: 'He Just Didn't Feel Like Coming'
Dire Straits co-founder John Illsley isn't planning to let the absence of frontman Mark Knopfler and other band members sour his time at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions this week in Cleveland.
"I'm excited, yes. We're going to have a good time," Illsley tell Billboard just before he and keyboardist Guy Fletcher boarded a flight to the U.S. on Thursday morning (Apr. 12). "I mean, some people play and some people don't. Some people turn up and some people don't, it seems. We've got a combination of all that."
Illsley did reveal that keyboardist Alan Clark's web site post that he, Illsley and Fletcher would perform "an unplugged version of 'Telegraph Road'" was not, in fact, true. "That's not going to happen," Illsley said. "That's Alan having a bit of fun. I was hoping people weren't going to take it too seriously. I wouldn't perform without Mark there, so it's as simple as that, really. If Mark's not there, there's no point." Dire Straits has been dormant since 1992, after touring to promote its 1991 album On Every Street.
So why is Knopfler -- whose brother and fellow guitarist David Knopfler also isn't coming -- a no-show? "He just didn't feel like coming, it's as simple as that," says Illsley, who co-owns the Dire Straits band name with Knopfler. "It just didn't appeal to him, and I appealed to him on several occasions. I said, 'Look, I'd love you to get your head around this.' He said, 'Look, I just can't do it, John. I'm really sorry. It's a great honor for us and all the rest of it, and I just can't get my head around it,' so I've just got to respect it. He's got his reasons, which he really doesn't want to share with me which is unusual because we've shared most things over the years."
Illsley adds that a Dire Straits performance during Saturday's (Apr. 14) ceremony "would've been quite complicated. When you look at the structure of the band over the last 40 years it's been quite a mixed bag of musicians and people involved, and just trying to sort that out and make sense of it... (Knopfler) said, 'Look, I just can't deal with it. I don't really want to deal with it.' So I said, 'OK, I'll go over, accept the award on your behalf and all the rest of the guys that aren't there and that'll be it. So that's what's happening."
Illsley noted that he does have "room in the case" to bring Knopfler's induction trophy back to England. He's also starting to accumulate items for the Rock Hall to exhibit in Cleveland, and he plans to make the best of the induction weekend.
"I'm very proud of being inducted," he says. "I think it's fantastic for the band. I think it's fantastic for all the musicians who have worked with us over the years, who have been part of the journey... and all the producers and engineers we worked with over the years. And I think it's wonderful for all the people who bought the music and came to see the concerts and stuck with the band all these years. That to me is the most important side of it, so that's what I would like to acknowledge when I get there is the fans. They make everything happen."
Post by: primi on April 23, 2018, 03:55:28 PM
"It's a great honor for DS to have been inducted and I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone that voted for the band. Unfortunately I'm on a tight schedule with the musical and my new solo album so it will not be possible for me to attend the ceremony."Why no little statement?
If the real reasons are personal problems with Alan and David, then it is understandable to not drag them into the public light, especially given the private person Mark is.
If he would put forward other reasons people would attack him for being dishonest.
So remaining silent is probably not the worst thing under these sad circumstances.
Good point.
How is this simple little statement problematic in any way? It's just not and that is all that he had to do and avoid all the fuss that happened since. It's not about any specific person, it's not dishonest and it doesn't give any hope of an immediate reuninon and it's much easier to avoid the reunion or any other unwelcome questions later once the whole thing cools down. Even in interviews once he starts promoting his new work it will all be much less in focus and easier to deal with.
Staying silent probably just was the worst thing to do.
Post by: neco on April 23, 2018, 04:36:58 PM
I also would have loved to see him there, or to read a statement or whatever. But I still love him as a musician and respect him as a human being, and RRHOF is really nothing that would lead to something different
Post by: vancip on April 23, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
"It's a great honor for DS to have been inducted and I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone that voted for the band. Unfortunately I'm on a tight schedule with the musical and my new solo album so it will not be possible for me to attend the ceremony."
How is this simple little statement problematic in any way?
Think about Guy heavily involved as coproducer, engineer, etc. I would read a statement like this as " I'm not attending, neither Guy is"
It would be embarassing for Guy being on the red carpet while journalists ask him about this schedule, tight for MK and loose for GF
Just my two cents
Post by: Robson on April 23, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Did MK chose the best way? Probably not... But, come on everyone... no one is perfect! And as you all say, he is working on an album, does a musical and is probably even planning e tour (which, in fact, IS for the fans out there!). Last but not least, he 68 years old, what will you all do at this age? He could have handle it better, yes. But all these negative reactions are really not fair with respext to MK. I would even say that he could be as dissappointed in his „fans“ as they are now.
I also would have loved to see him there, or to read a statement or whatever. But I still love him as a musician and respect him as a human being, and RRHOF is really nothing that would lead to something different
And I agree again. I see comments. Records an album, a musical ??? , Well, can't you take the day off? etc. Mark enjoy the silence :)
Post by: PensaGhost on April 23, 2018, 05:22:34 PM
Did MK chose the best way? Probably not... But, come on everyone... no one is perfect! And as you all say, he is working on an album, does a musical and is probably even planning e tour (which, in fact, IS for the fans out there!). Last but not least, he 68 years old, what will you all do at this age? He could have handle it better, yes. But all these negative reactions are really not fair with respext to MK. I would even say that he could be as dissappointed in his „fans“ as they are now.
I also would have loved to see him there, or to read a statement or whatever. But I still love him as a musician and respect him as a human being, and RRHOF is really nothing that would lead to something different
And I agree again. I see comments. Records an album, a musical ??? , Well, can't you take the day off? etc. Mark enjoy the silence :)
No, he's working on it more than an amazon employee
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 23, 2018, 05:53:28 PM
Guys, it's not about right and wrong, black and white, peaks and valleys, it's about reasonability. Putting out an official statement is just... nice. And by doing so you're not automatically stating that the RRHOF is important, superlative or even relevant, you're just being... nice. People voted for you, the institution, like it or not, gave you an award that's meaningful to many people, lots of professionals involved in the process are working hard on it, including sound engineers and journalists, jobs that you're very familiar with. Showing them a little respect would have been... nice. Mark could've approached the whole thing with a royal attitude instead of acting like a muse. Kindness is the word. Did he have to be nice? Not really. But it's so easy and cool to be nice, don't you think? I'm sorry if I want my hero to be nice.
All that being said, I don't expect Mark to be perfect but the impression I have sometimes is that some people think he is. Mark Knopfler can do no wrong. Is it really that hard to consider that he might have dropped the ball at least once? Think about it.
Post by: Jules on April 23, 2018, 06:28:37 PM
Post by: Pottel on April 23, 2018, 07:09:02 PM
Mark's new album's title has been revealed: Can Do No WrongAmazing how this death topic remains active
Guys, it's not about right and wrong, black and white, peaks and valleys, it's about reasonability. Putting out an official statement is just... nice. And by doing so you're not automatically stating that the RRHOF is important, superlative or even relevant, you're just being... nice. People voted for you, the institution, like it or not, gave you an award that's meaningful to many people, lots of professionals involved in the process are working hard on it, including sound engineers and journalists, jobs that you're very familiar with. Showing them a little respect would have been... nice. Mark could've approached the whole thing with a royal attitude instead of acting like a muse. Kindness is the word. Did he have to be nice? Not really. But it's so easy and cool to be nice, don't you think? I'm sorry if I want my hero to be nice.
All that being said, I don't expect Mark to be perfect but the impression I have sometimes is that some people think he is. Mark Knopfler can do no wrong. Is it really that hard to consider that he might have dropped the ball at least once? Think about it.
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Post by: Love Expresso on April 23, 2018, 07:16:12 PM
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Post by: primi on April 23, 2018, 07:21:21 PM
Amazing how this death topic remains activeWe're just rehearsing for the disappointment when the new album comes out. :wave
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Luckily I have zero expectations so that should help contain the disappointment somewhat.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 23, 2018, 07:29:52 PM
Mark's new album's title has been revealed: Can Do No WrongAmazing how this death topic remains active
Guys, it's not about right and wrong, black and white, peaks and valleys, it's about reasonability. Putting out an official statement is just... nice. And by doing so you're not automatically stating that the RRHOF is important, superlative or even relevant, you're just being... nice. People voted for you, the institution, like it or not, gave you an award that's meaningful to many people, lots of professionals involved in the process are working hard on it, including sound engineers and journalists, jobs that you're very familiar with. Showing them a little respect would have been... nice. Mark could've approached the whole thing with a royal attitude instead of acting like a muse. Kindness is the word. Did he have to be nice? Not really. But it's so easy and cool to be nice, don't you think? I'm sorry if I want my hero to be nice.
All that being said, I don't expect Mark to be perfect but the impression I have sometimes is that some people think he is. Mark Knopfler can do no wrong. Is it really that hard to consider that he might have dropped the ball at least once? Think about it.
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I don't think it's amazing. Perhaps feasible and predictable since it's literally latest news.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 23, 2018, 07:35:21 PM
Exactly my thoughts since the very beginning.
Maybe because kindness is in short supply these days and we want those who we look up to to give a good example? How dare we!
Post by: Robson on April 23, 2018, 08:12:47 PM
Guy Fletcher to the question: May I know, what was Mark honest reaction, when you gave him to his award from the RRHOF?
GF: best not
Mark on the site has always commented on current topics. It's something deeper. Why pretend someone nice?
But the link to the RRHOF induction and speeches are on his official website. Everything is mysterious...
Post by: Pottel on April 23, 2018, 08:42:19 PM
Yeah pretty amazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........Zzzzzz
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Post by: Eddie Fox on April 23, 2018, 08:49:32 PM
I think it's something deeper...
Guy Fletcher to the question: May I know, what was Mark honest reaction, when you gave him to his award from the RRHOF?
GF: best not
Mark on the site has always commented on current topics. It's something deeper. Why pretend someone nice?
But the link to the RRHOF induction and speeches are on his official website. Everything is mysterious...
Why pretend someone nice? What do you mean?
Mark didn’t have to list the issues that prevented him from showing up. It’s been very well explained by primi if I’m not mistaken. But ok, Mark can do no wrong.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 23, 2018, 08:51:34 PM
"It's a great honor for DS to have been inducted and I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone that voted for the band. Unfortunately I'm on a tight schedule with the musical and my new solo album so it will not be possible for me to attend the ceremony."Why no little statement?
If the real reasons are personal problems with Alan and David, then it is understandable to not drag them into the public light, especially given the private person Mark is.
If he would put forward other reasons people would attack him for being dishonest.
So remaining silent is probably not the worst thing under these sad circumstances.
Good point.
How is this simple little statement problematic in any way? It's just not and that is all that he had to do and avoid all the fuss that happened since. It's not about any specific person, it's not dishonest and it doesn't give any hope of an immediate reuninon and it's much easier to avoid the reunion or any other unwelcome questions later once the whole thing cools down. Even in interviews once he starts promoting his new work it will all be much less in focus and easier to deal with.
Staying silent probably just was the worst thing to do.
You said it all.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 23, 2018, 08:59:13 PM
Post by: Jules on April 23, 2018, 09:38:26 PM
Oh, god...
What?
Post by: Pottel on April 23, 2018, 09:40:09 PM
Yes what?Oh, god...
What?
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Post by: primi on April 23, 2018, 09:42:35 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 23, 2018, 09:55:44 PM
There's suddenly a post missing and that's exactly the one that "oh, god...." was a reply to.
Yup
Post by: herlock on April 23, 2018, 10:14:38 PM
Don't worry, there is still good in him. Anakin Knopfler will be back...
Post by: Stanko on April 23, 2018, 10:26:03 PM
https://youtu.be/y3kcnm2THXIYes what?Oh, god...
What?
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Post by: Jules on April 23, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
I actually think I love MK even more than before with this bad-ass attitude :) as cool as Vader saying "as you wish" or "I find your lack of faith disturbing" or "it is too late for me"...
Don't worry, there is still good in him. Anakin Knopfler will be back...
LOL
Post by: Stanko on April 23, 2018, 10:30:06 PM
No Can DoI think it's something deeper...
Guy Fletcher to the question: May I know, what was Mark honest reaction, when you gave him to his award from the RRHOF?
GF: best not
Mark on the site has always commented on current topics. It's something deeper. Why pretend someone nice?
But the link to the RRHOF induction and speeches are on his official website. Everything is mysterious...
Why pretend someone nice? What do you mean?
Mark didn’t have to list the issues that prevented him from showing up. It’s been very well explained by primi if I’m not mistaken. But ok, Mark can do no wrong.
Post by: primi on April 23, 2018, 10:37:39 PM
Haha, from the dawn of man to the distant future, mankind's evolution is traced. Or lack thereof in our case. Nicely chosen.https://youtu.be/y3kcnm2THXIYes what?Oh, god...
What?
Post by: quizzaciously on April 23, 2018, 11:36:33 PM
Amazing how this death topic remains active
This is funny — 100 pages of discussion before the ceremony and then... 5-6 pages with slow discussion of this mess. Maybe MK's plan works after all!
:lol
Post by: dmg on April 23, 2018, 11:38:52 PM
Post by: allen on April 24, 2018, 04:00:41 AM
Death topic? Maybe this is why it remains open. The the Dire Straits exhibit at the RRHOF posted on FB tonight courtesy of Shawn Loudermilk. A little thin on the ground. Apparently the accordion was used by AC on BIA. Guy Fletcher has said he is going to gather up some things for the exhibit.
Thanks and that's what I wanted to see. Don't know what item was from John's collection.
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 08:32:50 AM
There's suddenly a post missing and that's exactly the one that "oh, god...." was a reply to.
So someone wrote something brainy and deleted it later, ashamed about it... I see.
Post by: superval99 on April 24, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
I have never been of the opinion that Mark could do no wrong. As I said earlier, to me he is a genius, but a flawed one and I have always accepted that. If he had killed or molested someone, that would be a different matter, but not turning up at the HoF ceremony without explanation? That's not a reason for me to stop being a fan!
Post by: ingridswing on April 24, 2018, 09:35:14 AM
Post by: Trawlerman on April 24, 2018, 09:43:05 AM
I have never been of the opinion that Mark could do no wrong. As I said earlier, to me he is a genius, but a flawed one and I have always accepted that. If he had killed or molested someone, that would be a different matter, but not turning up at the HoF ceremony without explanation? That's not a reason for me to stop being a fan!
It's probably the ugly side of fame Mark talked about many times.
People expecting you to do things you don't want to do, dealing with things you couldn't care less and having to do things you wouldn't have to do if you were just a regular person.
He didn't request any of this and all of a sudden people are expecting him to revive something he buried 25 years ago.
And now he has to face criticism for simply trying to ignore that circus he never asked for in the first place.
That's unfair imho. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
Post by: herlock on April 24, 2018, 10:21:28 AM
Exactly Val. And maybe MK just thinks the Hof thing is bull sh*t but doesn't want to be impolite seeing so. Sometimes it's better to say nothing, so others can enjoy it.Exactly.
An official statement about a 30-year overdue, ill-organized and bad taste event could have been as sarcastic as TOTT lyrics.
All of you moaners, think it could have been worse: imagine an official statement from MK saying "Poor souls... have fun with this crap if it suits you". What would you say of that ? :)
This being said, the sheer elegance, humility and simplicity from John (and even Guy) is touching. John is to Mark what Nick Mason is to Roger Waters - not a genius, just a very nice human being trying his best to make things work.
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 10:32:42 AM
Exactly Val. And maybe MK just thinks the Hof thing is bull sh*t but doesn't want to be impolite seeing so. Sometimes it's better to say nothing, so others can enjoy it.
It costs nothing more than a few seconds to do a polite note.
It costs nothing to be nice.
Post by: superval99 on April 24, 2018, 10:39:10 AM
Exactly Val. And maybe MK just thinks the Hof thing is bull sh*t but doesn't want to be impolite seeing so. Sometimes it's better to say nothing, so others can enjoy it.
It costs nothing more than a few seconds to do a polite note.
It costs nothing to be nice.
I agree with you, jbaent, but it's not going to give me sleepless nights and it's not going to stop me buying his albums or attending his concerts. I have more important things to worry about other than MK saying thank you, or not - life's too short. :)
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 10:45:57 AM
But I'm deeply disappointed with what we used to say about MK, that was a humble down on earth man. That's not humble but grumpy, that's not down to earth but rude.
To be nice and polite would had been humble and down to earth.
He's more like Bob day by day. I would still like his music but not him anymore.
Post by: Pottel on April 24, 2018, 10:50:50 AM
Me neither.Honestly, I doubt he is even aware his not reacting created so much fuzz on here. Just saying, for him this may truly be an issue of simply not being interested.
But I'm deeply disappointed with what we used to say about MK, that was a humble down on earth man. That's not humble but grumpy, that's not down to earth but rude.
To be nice and polite would had been humble and down to earth.
He's more like Bob day by day. I would still like his music but not him anymore.
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Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 10:51:37 AM
Exactly Val. And maybe MK just thinks the Hof thing is bull sh*t but doesn't want to be impolite seeing so. Sometimes it's better to say nothing, so others can enjoy it.Exactly.
An official statement about a 30-year overdue, ill-organized and bad taste event could have been as sarcastic as TOTT lyrics.
All of you moaners, think it could have been worse: imagine an official statement from MK saying "Poor souls... have fun with this crap if it suits you". What would you say of that ? :)
This being said, the sheer elegance, humility and simplicity from John (and even Guy) is touching. John is to Mark what Nick Mason is to Roger Waters - not a genius, just a very nice human being trying his best to make things work.
However, it cost nothing to be polite and say thank you but I can't go, busy working in two projects.
It costs nothing to be nice even with what you don't like
Post by: Pottel on April 24, 2018, 10:51:42 AM
Talking Roger waters, jbaent, how was the show last week? I read rave reviews about itExactly Val. And maybe MK just thinks the Hof thing is bull sh*t but doesn't want to be impolite seeing so. Sometimes it's better to say nothing, so others can enjoy it.Exactly.
An official statement about a 30-year overdue, ill-organized and bad taste event could have been as sarcastic as TOTT lyrics.
All of you moaners, think it could have been worse: imagine an official statement from MK saying "Poor souls... have fun with this crap if it suits you". What would you say of that ? :)
This being said, the sheer elegance, humility and simplicity from John (and even Guy) is touching. John is to Mark what Nick Mason is to Roger Waters - not a genius, just a very nice human being trying his best to make things work.
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Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 10:54:01 AM
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 11:06:11 AM
Me neither.Honestly, I doubt he is even aware his not reacting created so much fuzz on here. Just saying, for him this may truly be an issue of simply not being interested.
But I'm deeply disappointed with what we used to say about MK, that was a humble down on earth man. That's not humble but grumpy, that's not down to earth but rude.
To be nice and polite would had been humble and down to earth.
He's more like Bob day by day. I would still like his music but not him anymore.
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Guy says MK takes a look to his forum from time to time, so maybe he is aware but gives a damm about it.
Post by: primi on April 24, 2018, 11:17:44 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on April 24, 2018, 11:34:03 AM
The post about his relation to fame also was a good one. Pretty much nailed it imho.
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Post by: Pottel on April 24, 2018, 11:40:17 AM
Still doubt itMe neither.Honestly, I doubt he is even aware his not reacting created so much fuzz on here. Just saying, for him this may truly be an issue of simply not being interested.
But I'm deeply disappointed with what we used to say about MK, that was a humble down on earth man. That's not humble but grumpy, that's not down to earth but rude.
To be nice and polite would had been humble and down to earth.
He's more like Bob day by day. I would still like his music but not him anymore.
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Guy says MK takes a look to his forum from time to time, so maybe he is aware but gives a damm about it.
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Post by: Pottel on April 24, 2018, 11:41:07 AM
It was great as expected.That is all?
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Post by: JF on April 24, 2018, 11:46:39 AM
It was great as expected.That is all?
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I am going to see him in 2 weeks, and I want to keep the surrpise, so no spoilers please :)
Post by: JF on April 24, 2018, 11:51:10 AM
But I was and I am still disapointed how it ended up. That's all.
like you Val, it's not going to give me sleepless nights, but it just let me a little bit of bitter flavour
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 12:24:36 PM
So in short it just means that you should never ever get to know your childhood hero too closely because you will be disappointed. Just like you should never ever buy a super car you had on your wall as a teenager. Some things are best left to the imagination.
I need imagination to understand your post anyway.
I never had any car poster, I don't like car ahead of they are machines that allow me to go to work and do some travels.
I don't have and never had any intention to get to know my hero anyway. I had my ten seconds of glory where he signed me a cd and I had a picture taken, that doesn't means I got to know him at all.
Get to know your heroes sometimes is a big risk to be disappointed, so I prefer bto stay in the safe zone and just buy his music and attend his concerts. To keep loving him by what he does, not by what he is. That train is gone forever.
Post by: superval99 on April 24, 2018, 12:41:11 PM
So in short it just means that you should never ever get to know your childhood hero too closely because you will be disappointed. Just like you should never ever buy a super car you had on your wall as a teenager. Some things are best left to the imagination.
Get to know your heroes sometimes is a big risk to be disappointed, so I prefer bto stay in the safe zone and just buy his music and attend his concerts. To keep loving him by what he does, not by what he is. That train is gone forever.
I have been doing this for a long time jbaent. I used to adore him and everything he did, but these days it is the music that counts above all else. He is imperfect like everyone else and I have learned that it is better to keep your idols at arms length - metaphorically speaking, of course! ;) I still enjoy the stage rush, though, to be as close as possible. ;D
Post by: junkiedoll on April 24, 2018, 12:44:15 PM
Post by: dmg on April 24, 2018, 02:19:14 PM
Well, perceptions are different. For me he even has more credit than before as a person by not reacting to this celebrity (and pure commercially motivated) HoF cabaret. I am really with Ritchie Blackmore, Sex Pistols and others on that ...
Frankly I have to agree with you here. Don't understand all the anti-Mark comments; we all know he's never liked this sort of thing and he hates the fame thing.
"Fame is simply a by-product of success."
"If you can think of anything good about fame, I'd like to know what it is."
Sure he could've handled it better but why is anyone even surprised that he kept away?
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 02:40:27 PM
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 02:57:10 PM
While fame with someone that table, some successful people are in the queue or didn't get any reservation at all...
Post by: quizzaciously on April 24, 2018, 03:06:19 PM
A good thing about fame... Having a table in a very busy restaurant without any available table?
Whoa... I think using your fame to get a table in the packed restaurant isn't fair for all the regular customers. So no, it isn't good at all. Fame also allows you to abuse anybody like Mr. Spacey or Mr. Weinstein, because, well, you're famous and you have a lot of money, right?
All in all, I understand why people with money, fame or power so often goes nuts. Because you can do almost anything or, in case of a huge following, you can't do anything, because every dog recognises you even atop Everest. I wouldn't want to be famous, but I want to be successful.
Wait, what? Mark said that? But it's because it's a simple truth. Fame makes you the worst person you can get, success makes you the best.
Post by: Jules on April 24, 2018, 03:17:55 PM
Success in a profession like a rocker, comes with fame. Is up to you what you make of it.
It's not good or bad per we. Actually MK is famous but the 90% of time nobody recognise him so, he will get the good things of fame, and very little of the bad.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 24, 2018, 03:48:19 PM
Exactly Val. And maybe MK just thinks the Hof thing is bull sh*t but doesn't want to be impolite seeing so. Sometimes it's better to say nothing, so others can enjoy it.
It costs nothing more than a few seconds to do a polite note.
It costs nothing to be nice.
I agree with you, jbaent, but it's not going to give me sleepless nights and it's not going to stop me buying his albums or attending his concerts. I have more important things to worry about other than MK saying thank you, or not - life's too short. :)
I can’t really attend his concerts since he doesn’t come to my country so I’m down to not buying his albums I guess. Well, I’ll listen to them - and I will like them most likely. Just not spending money on them. Don’t jump to conclusions, guys. Mark’s music is one thing, Mark’s behavior is something else.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 24, 2018, 04:13:10 PM
Just one question to everyone: do you have to say good morning or thank you to people? I guess you don’t but you still do it, just because it’s nice and doesn’t cost you anything. Mark didn’t ignore the RRHOF, he ignored fans, workers and society in general. If you do it or don’t say good morning to your neighbor it might seem rude but if you do say good morning - or acknowledge the induction - you’re sending out a message of positivity. In the end it all comes down to what you believe. And I’ll say that again, John and Guy, probably Mark’s most loyal friends in the industry, seem to agree with those who think Mark could’ve acted differently. That must mean something.
Post by: mschaap on April 24, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
Post by: mschaap on April 24, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
Maybe because of that this remains such an intriguing 'incident'. Normally I wouldn't be interested in such things let alone write about it as I feel it's quite personal/private and therefore non of my business. So now I've got this off my chest, back to the music, what it's all about.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 25, 2018, 03:07:29 PM
It was great as expected.That is all?
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I am going to see him in 2 weeks, and I want to keep the surrpise, so no spoilers please :)
if you are close to the stage get to first row to get an hand shake with Roger during Comfortably , no joking :lol
Post by: Jules on April 25, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on April 27, 2018, 03:44:48 AM
Considerations of John Illsley!
John Illsley's Considerations
"Nothing happens without people going out to see him play, buy the songs ..." "Someone has to compromise ..."
"Thanks to all the fans who followed us over the years and came to see us playing around the world ..."
"We could not have done without them or without you. Thank you."
These considerations from JI shut the fuck of some who hold the misguided notion that MK owes absolutely nothing to his fans. It was a very poor attitude on the part of MK, his absence in the event and total silence was totally unnecessary, lacked more humility and consideration to those who value their work and participated in the vote for the DS to be induced. Now I understand the reason and URGENCY of JI to be present and represent the band next to GF and AL. They were very dignified, especially JI. To him, all my respect and admiration tripled with this attitude.
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on April 27, 2018, 04:31:43 AM
Post by: Jules on April 27, 2018, 09:16:58 AM
Hats off to John.
Post by: Jules on April 27, 2018, 01:22:13 PM
I guess MK too...
Post by: Pottel on April 27, 2018, 02:59:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aambAbUZhDM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aambAbUZhDM)Relax brunno
Considerations of John Illsley!
John Illsley's Considerations
"Nothing happens without people going out to see him play, buy the songs ..." "Someone has to compromise ..."
"Thanks to all the fans who followed us over the years and came to see us playing around the world ..."
"We could not have done without them or without you. Thank you."
These considerations from JI shut the fuck of some who hold the misguided notion that MK owes absolutely nothing to his fans. It was a very poor attitude on the part of MK, his absence in the event and total silence was totally unnecessary, lacked more humility and consideration to those who value their work and participated in the vote for the DS to be induced. Now I understand the reason and URGENCY of JI to be present and represent the band next to GF and AL. They were very dignified, especially JI. To him, all my respect and admiration tripled with this attitude.
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Post by: border_reiver on April 27, 2018, 06:16:32 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
ABBA just declared that they are reuniting after 35 years, just sayin'...................
Post by: PensaGhost on April 27, 2018, 06:58:16 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
ABBA just declared that they are reuniting after 35 years, just sayin'...................
ABBA reunion: Swedish group announce first new music in 35 years
Group posted a joint statement that was echoed by their manager, announcing an upcoming ‘Abbatar’ tour and two new songs
good, only DS now left ....
Post by: primi on April 27, 2018, 07:08:06 PM
DS doesn't need to reunite. That's actually the one thing that fans have no right to expect from Mark if he doesn't want to do it. A statement was expected, nothing else.ABBA just declared that they are reuniting after 35 years, just sayin'...................http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
But one can't expect much from Mark these days. On the other end of the spectrum there is for example a certain Norah Jones that may not be of the same caliber but have still received even more awards than DS/Mark for her work and is a very well established artist and what does she do? She did a video stream from her home playing her songs and taking requests from her fans. That was a lot more effort than a simple statement and she didn't need to do it and she made no money doing it but she did it anyway.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 27, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
1. Shows up, retrieves his award and brings the house down playing Sultans of Swing and Money for Nothing with whoever is there too
Me: ;D :clap 8)
Odds: 0.00001:99.99999
Evaluation: coolest grandpa ever, genius musician, legend, what a sport, wanna be like him
2. Shows up, retrieves his award but does not perform
Me: :) :clap
Odds: 1:99
Evaluation: classy grandpa, wanna know more about him, which albums to get?
3. Does not show up but releases a nice statement and records a thank you video or just a statement
Me: :)
Odds: 1:9
Evaluation: classic grandpa, respect, sticks to his guns but cares about everyone
4. Does not show up, does not say anything
Me: :-\ :smack
Odds: :-X
Evaluation: grumpy grandpa, what a weirdo, who cares anyway, gimme my Bon Jovi
Post by: cannibals on April 27, 2018, 09:47:31 PM
Oh, and i thought MK would do option 2 or 3. Sadly he choose 4. :'(
Post by: PensaGhost on April 27, 2018, 10:04:34 PM
Mark's options:
1. Shows up, retrieves his award and brings the house down playing Sultans of Swing and Money for Nothing with whoever is there too
Me: ;D :clap 8)
Odds: 0.00001:99.99999
Evaluation: coolest grandpa ever, genius musician, legend, what a sport, wanna be like him
2. Shows up, retrieves his award but does not perform
Me: :) :clap
Odds: 1:99
Evaluation: classy grandpa, wanna know more about him, which albums to get?
3. Does not show up but releases a nice statement and records a thank you video or just a statement
Me: :)
Odds: 1:9
Evaluation: classic grandpa, respect, sticks to his guns but cares about everyone
4. Does not show up, does not say anything
Me: :-\ :smack
Odds: :-X
Evaluation: grumpy grandpa, what a weirdo, who cares anyway, gimme my Bon Jovi
I'd have loved a live performance with David
Post by: asouza on April 27, 2018, 10:28:48 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
ABBA just declared that they are reuniting after 35 years, just sayin'...................
ABBA reuniting for a "hologram tour". Don't would like see DS in this way! :(
Post by: dmg on April 27, 2018, 10:49:09 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
ABBA just declared that they are reuniting after 35 years, just sayin'...................
Yes, but DS thankfully aren't a cheesy cult band.
Post by: border_reiver on April 28, 2018, 12:06:32 AM
Post by: border_reiver on April 28, 2018, 12:07:33 AM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
ABBA just declared that they are reuniting after 35 years, just sayin'...................
Yes, but DS thankfully aren't a cheesy cult band.
I would say that depends on who you ask. ;D
Post by: border_reiver on April 28, 2018, 12:09:47 AM
I couldn't care less of ABBA even though I'm a Swede. But the timing for a DS fan couldn't actually be more off.
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 28, 2018, 04:15:22 AM
http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi-set-reunite-original-line-rock-roll-hall-fame-induction-ceremony-2249005
And we wait for some (any) news from MK/DS? :disbelief
It's DS and ABBA who are the grumpiest bands ever at reuniting.
ABBA just declared that they are reuniting after 35 years, just sayin'...................
Yes, but DS thankfully aren't a cheesy cult band.
Maybe not cult but many people think it’s cheesy lol
Post by: AC on April 28, 2018, 04:36:27 AM
Post by: Jules on April 28, 2018, 08:02:48 AM
Just dig in threads with the name "dire straits legacy"
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 28, 2018, 09:53:51 AM
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Post by: AC on April 28, 2018, 08:07:15 PM
Post by: JF on April 28, 2018, 08:50:25 PM
Alan Clark said MK was balder than him and it escalated from there.
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:lol :lol :lol
Post by: Jules on April 28, 2018, 09:00:57 PM
OK jbaent, thank you. That was pretty good, dustyvalentino.
You are welcome, Alan ;)
Post by: dmg on April 28, 2018, 10:05:43 PM
Alan Clark said MK was balder than him and it escalated from there.
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:lol :lol :lol
So that's why he's been wearing hats since the OES era... :think
Post by: boriszhukov on April 28, 2018, 10:13:37 PM
Post by: AC on April 29, 2018, 12:04:25 AM
Hats off to John who comes off great and professional and like a true leader in the HBO clip. Very sad that the clip make it almost seem like MK is not alive. Very odd indeed.
I was there that night. John and Guy were excellent. Alan didn't say much. John and Guy did their best under strained circumstances but the whole thing was awkward. Those guys were nothing but gracious.
Post by: quizzaciously on April 29, 2018, 12:09:28 AM
Hats off to John who comes off great and professional and like a true leader in the HBO clip. Very sad that the clip make it almost seem like MK is not alive. Very odd indeed.
I was there that night. John and Guy were excellent. Alan didn't say much. John and Guy did their best under strained circumstances but the whole thing was awkward. Those guys were nothing but gracious.
Speaking of strange inductions, check out the one by The Beach Boys. Some band members delivered a couple of words (Carl Wilson), but some... Well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSAQX2uuUY
Post by: Jules on May 05, 2018, 03:50:13 PM
Anyone recording it?
Post by: PensaGhost on May 05, 2018, 08:18:51 PM
Post by: DS on May 05, 2018, 11:02:06 PM
(https://preview.ibb.co/jceOon/IMG_20180419_182022.jpg)
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 05, 2018, 11:58:52 PM
Post by: Pottel on May 06, 2018, 01:13:28 AM
Time to shut Alan up.Lol, too funny
(https://preview.ibb.co/jceOon/IMG_20180419_182022.jpg)
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Post by: TommyJ88 on May 06, 2018, 07:08:21 AM
https://youtu.be/YjwkkHgJKxo
Post by: knopflertom on May 06, 2018, 08:19:37 AM
What does John say in 8:20? "Not a very generous man"?
Post by: TommyJ88 on May 06, 2018, 08:39:07 AM
Thanks!
What does John say in 8:20? "Not a very generous man"?
"Not only a very generous man..."
Post by: superval99 on May 06, 2018, 09:00:14 AM
Post by: Jules on May 06, 2018, 09:10:36 AM
HBO cut the best part by John, when named everyone involved with the DS records and history but I guess HBO was more interested in the live performances than in people talking...
Post by: Love Expresso on May 06, 2018, 10:42:19 AM
LE
Post by: Jules on May 06, 2018, 12:05:54 PM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 07, 2018, 12:42:39 AM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
Post by: Jules on May 07, 2018, 08:32:15 AM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
very happy and drunk to say 'the straits' sound better than the real DS
Post by: quizzaciously on May 07, 2018, 02:46:37 PM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
very happy and drunk to say 'the straits' sound better than the real DS
I think it's strange to compare, because the technology that The Straits have now is not the same as that Dire Straits ever had. Of course The Straits can sound million times better, with clearer guitars, more bass, better everything. But if they say The Straits feels better, it's whole another story...
Post by: Jules on May 07, 2018, 03:27:37 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 07, 2018, 06:28:21 PM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
Much as I like Ed and miss his work that's nonsense and he knows that.
Post by: Jules on May 07, 2018, 06:37:15 PM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
Much as I like Ed and miss his work that's nonsense and he knows that.
As I always say, MK left many corpses along the way. Ed was just another.
Post by: junkiedoll on May 08, 2018, 12:18:34 AM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
Much as I like Ed and miss his work that's nonsense and he knows that.
As I always say, MK left many corpses along the way. Ed was just another.
Corpses? Oh yes, I think MK is a case for the European Court of Human Rights for leaving so many corpses behind ...
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 08, 2018, 03:31:31 AM
Post by: Jules on May 08, 2018, 07:55:30 AM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
Much as I like Ed and miss his work that's nonsense and he knows that.
As I always say, MK left many corpses along the way. Ed was just another.
Corpses? Oh yes, I think MK is a case for the European Court of Human Rights for leaving so many corpses behind ...
Yes... You know what I mean (David, Pick, Hal, Jack, Terry, Alan, Ed, Chad, Chris etc etc) but I totally understand your irony from the point of view that Mk can't do wrong.
Post by: junkiedoll on May 08, 2018, 04:17:53 PM
Alan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
Much as I like Ed and miss his work that's nonsense and he knows that.
As I always say, MK left many corpses along the way. Ed was just another.
Corpses? Oh yes, I think MK is a case for the European Court of Human Rights for leaving so many corpses behind ...
Yes... You know what I mean (David, Pick, Hal, Jack, Terry, Alan, Ed, Chad, Chris etc etc) but I totally understand your irony from the point of view that Mk can't do wrong.
Sure, what a hell of musical butcher MK is. Maybe a Saw extension should be produced, showing all these innocent and purely generous souls being trapped and tortured for such a long time in the MK musical prison, and after that their corpses just left behind preventing them from a blooming and magnificent career on their own.
Post by: Jules on May 08, 2018, 04:22:23 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 08, 2018, 06:00:32 PM
https://youtu.be/Pt6inWUUAPQ
Post by: Pottel on May 08, 2018, 10:19:26 PM
Mark the ripperAlan is getting good at telling jokes.
Is not getting, that's old, very very old, I think that almost 7 years old, but the hate against AC looks like need to be fed from time to time.
Oh, that’s better!
By the way, the person who said that The Straits sounded better than DS last band, which is unnamed, I'm sure it's Ed Bicknell. He was at The Straits show and with all of them at the after party, very happy and enjoying it a lot.
Much as I like Ed and miss his work that's nonsense and he knows that.
As I always say, MK left many corpses along the way. Ed was just another.
Corpses? Oh yes, I think MK is a case for the European Court of Human Rights for leaving so many corpses behind ...
Yes... You know what I mean (David, Pick, Hal, Jack, Terry, Alan, Ed, Chad, Chris etc etc) but I totally understand your irony from the point of view that Mk can't do wrong.
Sure, what a hell of musical butcher MK is. Maybe a Saw extension should be produced, showing all these innocent and purely generous souls being trapped and tortured for such a long time in the MK musical prison, and after that their corpses just left behind preventing them from a blooming and magnificent career on their own.
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Post by: Jules on May 08, 2018, 10:23:14 PM
Their motto is MK can't do wrong and I'll say whatever to defend it.
:lol
Post by: allen on May 09, 2018, 01:55:26 AM
Dire Straits Members on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony Red Carpet
Dire Straits members and new Inductees John Illsley, Alan Cark and Guy Fletcher stopped by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony red carpet with host Carrie Keagan to talk about their new status as Hall of Fame members.
Post by: shooting_star_night on May 17, 2018, 11:43:21 PM
Have you ever heard about the knoflerian talibans?
Their motto is MK can't do wrong and I'll say whatever to defend it.
:lol
:lol
Post by: shooting_star_night on May 17, 2018, 11:46:48 PM
Mark's options:
1. Shows up, retrieves his award and brings the house down playing Sultans of Swing and Money for Nothing with whoever is there too
Me: ;D :clap 8)
Odds: 0.00001:99.99999
Evaluation: coolest grandpa ever, genius musician, legend, what a sport, wanna be like him
2. Shows up, retrieves his award but does not perform
Me: :) :clap
Odds: 1:99
Evaluation: classy grandpa, wanna know more about him, which albums to get?
3. Does not show up but releases a nice statement and records a thank you video or just a statement
Me: :)
Odds: 1:9
Evaluation: classic grandpa, respect, sticks to his guns but cares about everyone
4. Does not show up, does not say anything
Me: :-\ :smack
Odds: :-X
Evaluation: grumpy grandpa, what a weirdo, who cares anyway, gimme my Bon Jovi
Tuned it just for him and nothing :(
Yes, Bon Jovi Rocked it!! :D
Richie!! :lol
Post by: Pottel on May 18, 2018, 10:40:09 PM
Post by: Jules on May 25, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
THE DIARY!!!!!
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/rockhall-induction-weekend-2018/ (http://guyfletcher.co.uk/rockhall-induction-weekend-2018/)
Still in construction, this must be the diary entry Guy said he had ready but hidden yet.
Post by: cannibals on June 22, 2018, 09:26:20 AM
https://www.rockhall.com/inductee-insights-dire-straits?utm_id=sSyvs7KyLZ1FYp&utm_campaign=Marketing&utm_medium=email&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9-jw4Q_z0qA13rnhVvdBZZCzPb3cQNc_9eM1Oy2LZYLeoEcqL2zwaPKWR5azk4jc0RhnZaDrSLqIplc_gFR3OaPh_PLw&_hsmi=63950905&utm_content=63950905&utm_source=hs_email&hsCtaTracking=12693750-ef12-4a84-a617-ccf107816453%7C56dbcd04-21cc-4b2b-9ab0-14cc1cb2722b
Post by: cannibals on June 27, 2018, 11:02:40 AM
They wanted Mark (and a reunion) and when it finally became clear he wasn't going to be there they kind of left us to our own devices, which was awkward for us. Still, rather like doing a pub gig in the old days where no-one turns up, we got on with it and did what we could. The folks who run the actual Hall Of Fame itself (as opposed to the event) were and have always been extremely warm, welcoming and kind and we've been in touch subsequently. As is often the case with these things, there is more to it than can be said here. I'm very glad we went though as I believe the fans support should be recognised.
Post by: Jules on June 27, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
Post by: Eddie Fox on June 27, 2018, 03:53:10 PM
Again, and again, hats off to John, Guy and Alan
:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
True gents!
Post by: superval99 on August 10, 2018, 07:39:20 PM
Can some kind soul point me in the right direction to read Guys blog, I can’t find it on his website. Thanks muchly.
Go to "Diaries" and then "RRHOF Induction Weekend"
Post by: cannibals on August 10, 2018, 08:25:57 PM
Can some kind soul point me in the right direction to read Guys blog, I can’t find it on his website. Thanks muchly.
Go to "Diaries" and then "RRHOF Induction Weekend"
I can't find it. Must be me or is it gone ???
Please send me the link :-*
Post by: Jules on August 10, 2018, 10:29:37 PM
Ladies, gentlemen and haters... let me introduce you...
THE DIARY!!!!!
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/rockhall-induction-weekend-2018/ (http://guyfletcher.co.uk/rockhall-induction-weekend-2018/)
Still in construction, this must be the diary entry Guy said he had ready but hidden yet.
Here you have the link
Post by: Banjo99uk on August 10, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on August 10, 2018, 10:46:40 PM
Thanks everyone, interesting to read. Can’t help but feel frustrated with the lack of information about why MK didn’t turn up and who was going to induct them.
Apparently Neil Young and the dude from the Killers.
Post by: cannibals on August 10, 2018, 11:15:35 PM
Thanks everyone, interesting to read. Can’t help but feel frustrated with the lack of information about why MK didn’t turn up and who was going to induct them.
Apparently Neil Young and the dude from the Killers.
Makes me wonder if they choose not to induct because of MK not being there or as Guy was saying because they were probably not aware of other members of DS were indeed going. So like if they would have known that John Alan and Guy would attend Neil indeed would have done the induction. I'm not buying that.......
Post by: Banjo99uk on August 10, 2018, 11:41:29 PM
Thanks everyone, interesting to read. Can’t help but feel frustrated with the lack of information about why MK didn’t turn up and who was going to induct them.
Apparently Neil Young and the dude from the Killers.
Makes me wonder if they choose not to induct because of MK not being there or as Guy was saying because they were probably not aware of other members of DS were indeed going. So like if they would have known that John Alan and Guy would attend Neil indeed would have done the induction. I'm not buying that.......
Yes all very interesting. I thought Brandon Flowers would be an obvious choice for the kids. I don’t know of any association between Neil Young and Mk though. Where did that come from?
Post by: Jules on August 11, 2018, 10:40:15 AM
Brandon Flowers or however is its name was there introducing another band or artist
Post by: Eddie Fox on August 11, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
Post by: schmonka on August 11, 2018, 09:43:04 PM
"Next morning I was back in the studio with Mark."
I find this comment, well....sad and a bit weird.
Post by: AC on August 12, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Exactly, precise as always, jbaent. I remember the article now, Neil Young and Keith Urban were the names mentioned in it.
Keith Urban's rep said a while back that Urban would have loved to do it but that he in rehearsals for a country music award ceremony which he was hosting the next night and there was no way to do it. Flowers was already there to induct The Cars and it is unlikely that they would have asked him to induct two bands in the same night.
Guy has noted a couple of times that there is a difference between the HOF museum staff and the people who were actually in charge of the induction ceremonies show, which is mostly people from HBO I suspect. They botched it pretty badly, whoever it was.
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on August 12, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
From Guy's diary page...I thought so too, sounds a bit like his first day at work after a long holiday, the man has one of the best jobs in the world!
"Next morning I was back in the studio with Mark."
I find this comment, well....sad and a bit weird.
Post by: wayaman on August 14, 2018, 01:11:53 PM
From Guy's diary page...
"Next morning I was back in the studio with Mark."
I find this comment, well....sad and a bit weird.
I understand it like "after all the ceremony, problems with travel etc, no time to rest, next day, working again", just that.
Post by: Love Expresso on August 14, 2018, 06:53:34 PM
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Post by: Robson on September 25, 2018, 10:06:56 PM
Post by: Jules on September 26, 2018, 08:45:00 AM
There are pics from Guy. Only six.
THANK YOU!
Post by: hunter on November 24, 2018, 12:02:44 PM
Why couldn't his management just have issued an official statement, at the time, with these reasons? That complete-silence course of action I think was unnecessary and actually disrespectul towards the fans who made it happen. Plus now he has to answer this question in every interview. Strange.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on November 24, 2018, 12:06:20 PM
Post by: hunter on November 24, 2018, 12:33:59 PM
I don't feel any disrespect. I think Mark's silence spoke volumes, and that silence was directed towards the RRHOF. Good on you son.
Towards the RRHOF, yes, I agree. But Mark and the management know very well how big a thing this is/was for the fans. Wouldn't cost much to issue a statement on the official site? To and for the fans? Or are they so out of touch?
Post by: dmg on November 24, 2018, 12:58:00 PM
I don't feel any disrespect. I think Mark's silence spoke volumes, and that silence was directed towards the RRHOF. Good on you son.
Towards the RRHOF, yes, I agree. But Mark and the management know very well how big a thing this is/was for the fans. Wouldn't cost much to issue a statement on the official site? To and for the fans? Or are they so out of touch?
I agree. A simple statement was all that was required. I think there is a little more to it than he's letting on.
Post by: hunter on November 24, 2018, 01:33:12 PM
I don't feel any disrespect. I think Mark's silence spoke volumes, and that silence was directed towards the RRHOF. Good on you son.
Towards the RRHOF, yes, I agree. But Mark and the management know very well how big a thing this is/was for the fans. Wouldn't cost much to issue a statement on the official site? To and for the fans? Or are they so out of touch?
I agree. A simple statement was all that was required. I think there is a little more to it than he's letting on.
I get the feeling that Mark, after the fact, has worked out an official version for the interviews he knew were coming now.
Post by: Jules on November 24, 2018, 04:21:47 PM
I don't feel any disrespect. I think Mark's silence spoke volumes, and that silence was directed towards the RRHOF. Good on you son.
Towards the RRHOF, yes, I agree. But Mark and the management know very well how big a thing this is/was for the fans. Wouldn't cost much to issue a statement on the official site? To and for the fans? Or are they so out of touch?
I agree. A simple statement was all that was required. I think there is a little more to it than he's letting on.
Actually he's not telling the truth but given an official excuse, that should had been giving when it happened.
When Guy was asked why MK was not going he answered that "it wasn't rocket science", ie we all can imagine why, so definitely there are more reasons behind that what MK is telling.
Post by: holaknopfler on November 24, 2018, 04:42:03 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 24, 2018, 05:02:27 PM
There was a very recent interview where he said that the RHHOF was dictating how it should be done and he said that's not the way I work. I can't remember which one unfortunately..
I read it too - can't remember where. He said he could tell by Crockford's face that the news wasn't good - that he had to re-unite DS and also do press interviews and he didn't like being dictated to.
Post by: hunter on November 24, 2018, 05:08:57 PM
So, did you cut the Dire Straits celebration into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame this year because you actually want to be included in the Songwriters Hall of Fame?
Yes, that would be my thing. I like that. The inclusion in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame is a great distinction, very gracious, but I was very busy at the time of the celebration. I was still working on the current album and also on the musical "Local Hero", for which I write everything and which will premiere in Scotland in January. So I was in the middle of the work, when Paul came with the message of the ceremony and he was not happy because the organizers wanted all sorts of things.
Which was the Dire Straits Reunion appearance?
Exactly, and then you have to go here and there, and you have to deny a big press conference. That sounded pretty arrogant. And then I thought that no one has to tell me what I have to do.
Post by: superval99 on November 24, 2018, 05:14:26 PM
Post by: hunter on November 24, 2018, 05:28:50 PM
Post by: cannibals on December 07, 2018, 12:01:00 AM
Well, we will never know the whole story...... :think
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 07, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on December 07, 2018, 05:27:49 PM
I don't think David was a problem at all, he never really took part in any tribute band and as the lyrics from TOTT and OSAAT may suggest fakers wearing his old shoes are those who piss Mark off at this stage.
are you joking ? They haven't been talking for decades, the family/kids of each don't even know each others
Post by: Pottel on December 07, 2018, 05:30:21 PM
Not entirely trueI don't think David was a problem at all, he never really took part in any tribute band and as the lyrics from TOTT and OSAAT may suggest fakers wearing his old shoes are those who piss Mark off at this stage.
are you joking ? They haven't been talking for decades, the family/kids of each don't even know each others
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Post by: Eddie Fox on December 07, 2018, 05:45:07 PM
I don't think David was a problem at all, he never really took part in any tribute band and as the lyrics from TOTT and OSAAT may suggest fakers wearing his old shoes are those who piss Mark off at this stage.
are you joking ? They haven't been talking for decades, the family/kids of each don't even know each others
I don't remember Mark saying anything harsh about David over the last few years so everything is possible. As for Alan we all know how Mark feels about him.
Post by: Knopflerfan on October 30, 2021, 08:09:24 AM
Post by: Jules on October 30, 2021, 07:40:35 PM
I don't think David was a problem at all, he never really took part in any tribute band and as the lyrics from TOTT and OSAAT may suggest fakers wearing his old shoes are those who piss Mark off at this stage.
are you joking ? They haven't been talking for decades, the family/kids of each don't even know each others
I don't remember Mark saying anything harsh about David over the last few years so everything is possible. As for Alan we all know how Mark feels about him.
We think we know it, but we don't.
Recently Alan mentioned he talked with MK regarding the record he was recording of piano versions of songs he (Alan) has been involved during his career, and that MK liked the idea and gave him his permission to record his songs.
Also Alan mentioned in Facebook he is surprised people think they are not on speaking terms, and told that story.